How would they shit up this one? Bunnyhopping drains hp? Switching weapons stops you dead ala freezetag? TDM is 4v3 instagib? Be ready.

It's a reboot from a Quake that isn't Quake 3. So that is a mistake right there.

Also apparently it's a reboot from Q1 which was booring: too brown, every map felt the same. Multiplayer was cool for the era but now it's an unbalanced clusterfuck compared to Q3.
Also rumor says the character is a woman instead of Ranger.

It's perfectly balanced, just not dumbed down.

Nah its a clusterfuck. The explosion sounds are annoying, the game looks brown, too much grenade spam etc etc. Q3 was the right balance between fast but not insanely fast tier.

how is a 30dmg per tick LG balanced?

All weapons deals insane amount of dmg in Q1.

The game is balanced - between players, not between the weapons.

"How is chess balanced? The queen can move any which way."

Yeah...

What do you mean between players? That would be true to any symmetrical game.
A "perfectly balanced game" should probably not mean a 2 weapon game.

And don't compare a shooter to a board game.

That would be true to any symmetrical game.

Precisely.

A "perfectly balanced game" should probably not mean a 2 weapon game.

Completely arbitrary and irrelevant to (symmetrical) balance. More weapons in this case brings depth, not balance.

So you would consider a game with 8 weapons with 1dmg and one super weapon with 1000dmg to also be a "perfectly balanced game" just because its "between players"?

Yes, "just because" of the most pertinent meaning of balance in MP FPS, I would consider it balanced.

Interesting.

I just want to bring up that while it is in fact 300 dps (10 ticks per second), with +200 armors (and you couldn't take the +150 yellows when wearing it) and 2 megas on one map. Q3 had 160 dps LG, but best armor was +100 and from spawn you couldn't even get a +50 armor because they were timed and denied by the guy in control.

So it's not as bad as it sounds when looking only at this single number.

But remember, rocket _splash_ dealing 120 damage (more than a direct hit which was 100 damage) and people spawning with 100, now THAT is brutal! :)

(I don't understand why CPMA guys insisted on 100 damage railgun and 100 spawning health, took them like 10 years to learn from QL ;))

PM2 came out like a decade before QL was an idea.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the poles the biggest defenders of 100 rg?

I think you're right and that PM2 was generally not very well received by the Polish CPM community.

"and the main character will be a woman."

thats how

No. Nope. Not happening.
Fuck you, jerk me off, eat shit, I don’t need heart surgery I’m feeling just fine thankyou very much.

i'll play the single player and skip the multiplayer. pretty much everyone has low expectations for quake including zoomers because id don't know what the fuck they're doing when it comes to multiplayer and q4, ql and qc are all proof of this. i think valorant, call of duty/warzone, battlefield, apex legends, fortnite and csgo are the only shooters people will want to play as they actually have a reputation for being fun. recently black ops cold war buffed the bullet velocity on all of the assault rifles, to the point where they feel like hitscan (krig 6 especially) and im having more fun with that then another round of unholy trinity or wipeout in egg game.

They should make mp based on quake team fortress to have a decent playerbase

Unfortunately all those games are rife with aimbots.

All multiplayer shooters are. Since the early 2010s it's become the standard everywhere.

I think once a cheater, always a cheater. Shame they can't eliminate, by making various layers of protection validation. Perhaps they do already.

quake arena 2, without champions and all that crap, bots for singleplayer, same maps with new graphics. too simple for today but things like stat tracking might help (quake live with better graphics in a nutshell, or just update quake live with newer engine like rtx or smth). i am in support of taking original quake data and using it with better engine like quake 2 rtx, much better return on investment than taking a gamble with remake like doom 3, fans want old game with new graphics, not new game based on old story.

to reiterate i support quake 3 arena part 2, as in updated engine with less lag, not qc type remake where a game is made from scratch, i believe industry lacks so much lagless based gameplay, take any old arcade game running on emulator like super metroid, game has no feedback lag of any kind, it is rendered instantly, and in my opinion if i play game that has input lag issues it is as good as just watching a movie or a stream of someone plaing it and in many ways modern engine brought a whole lot of latency as a tradeoff for graphics, there is no way to remove lag from modern engines like ut4 as it lags behind the scenes drawing the high poly models etc, where a game like quake 3 arena 2 or major update to the game (ie quake live with more updates that get rid of lags, for example using google chrome as a thing to draw hud is adding lags), i want to see exact same game like quake 3 arena simply fixed for modern os so i can use ingame intefrace to download maps through steam workshop, then you can add premium player skins, where quake 3 engine can be updated to have high poly models for purchase, maps are good enough already as they need to be kept same for visibility, and so just going forware with quake live as logical step, adding dlc to it in form of premium player skins , weapon models etc, i think it's a nice balance, like that free cs 1.6 game from nexxon, simply put it might be a nice office gaming product for fans and veterans as well as new players with entry level pcs. don't waste money of graphics this time it will just make the devs sweat for wrong reasons, id games are still the most fast paced game of all time (i mean q1-q3)thanks to simple graphics you can run 500+ fps and this is reason most people who are fans play this to this day,

i want to say that if quake 5 will be another literal copy of quake 1 with better graphics it will fail.

quake champions is still a copy of previous reiteration where each sequel just basically upped the polycount over old model, it worked from quake to quake 3 because cpu power was exponentially growing causing the engine to be runned at higher speed despite the technology becoming more complex, quake 4 started the downward spiral where graphics had clearly started to lag the game as cpu advances where limiting the speed of the game (the glass ceiling was established when cpu has hit 3ghz barrier) since then every game that brings more graphics does so at the expense of introducing latency as most stuff had to be shared off to gpu, which causes lag as it takes time for cpu to talk and send data bw gpu.

thus quake 3 is only possibly the only level og graphics which can bring high paced gameplay back to the table.

quake live is a good start but there is still no dlc in it to support prolonged development of the game, plus the game was never intended as a full on quake game which made a lot of things like using web interface hud sound reasonable, at the cost of lag introduced into game, all of that cruft of modern engine has to stripped back to bare minimum, if it doesnt make core game more fun it should never be introduced, instead relying on content as base measure of updates. more maps more guns more player models, this is what actually matters, not texture resolution or shiny bright surfaces, even rtx is a pretty big question, but can be lft in if its not making game any more laggy for those who dont use it.

Actually most quake fans don't play q1-q3 to this day.

good question, still i think its worth noting that qc and ql is split in half, if you measure in all other older id titles with mp in it its worth more than qc playerbase, no?

No I meant that most quake fans - ppl who are potential buyers for new quake for nostalgia reasons - don't play quake at all.
Probaby majority of quake fans who still play online games don't play any quake at all but different games instead (don't have any data on it, just personal experience).

qc and ql are certainly not split in half btw. Maybe they were but not anymore, ql is on its last legs.

So the question stands, why would they cater to these few die-hards who still play q1-ql? They already play their game anyway, and it's a tiny community, not worth making a new game. They better target a) ppl who used to play quake but don't anymore, c) new gen players who haven't played quake.

i guess its up to id then, i mean if ql is on its last legs than it ends at q3 for me, i mean if you dont support the game (quake live i mean) it becomes more broke over time, same with older titles. but in any case, i think the point is that older titles are still better in many ways.

if quake players don't like older games i am not sure they can be considerer fans in general, i mean i was playing q3 for 20 years same with older titles, i still go back to these games with fond memories, like being a fan of a soccer team, it never really changes.

but there is a lot of ppl who played casually and stopped somewhere along some pubg clone or whatever, thats sad, but they probably might not go back to quake, unless quake pubg was released or smth.

nice, can't wait for us to go through the "initial skepticism > deceptive marketing aimed at old schoolers > cautious hope > bugged & broken semi-beta > waning optimism > still bugged and broken full (beta) release > disbelief > despair > acceptance > zealous defense of mediocrity > every quake on steam sale discount except QL" cycle all over again

/Kill

Let Zenimax give the titel to Bioware.

LOL, for another me androshit, da3 or anthem :D
Their last good game is kotor, 20 years ago.
Similar to id, except for the last dooms

The original Mass Effect Trilogy were their truly last great games, everything else that's come after has been tragic.

Predictions for Quake by Machine Games:
- Backported from consoles to PC in 15 minutes by an intern. Works on 1% of existing hardware, requires drivers that don't exist, day one patch fixes nothing. Possibly released 2 years after Xbox exclusive version, available on Windows Store only.
- A minute of unskippable logos before the menu.
- Half an hour of Half-Life-like unskippable NPC cut-scenes after every encounter with any enemy.
- Every map is a one-way series of corridors, invisible walls protecting every straw of grass outside of designated path.
- FOV restricted to 60.
- Walking is done by alternating mouse left-right (remember Wolfenstein: The Old Blood?). Forget strafe jumping or bunny hopping.
- No console, no command line arguments (to change fov or skip intros), you have to play on WSAD and change weapons with a mouse wheel because there's no key binding menu.
- You walk in snail pace bobbing 90 degrees each step (remember Wolfenstein II: However it's called?)
- Microtransactions for "time savers" in single player campaign (I didn't get Wolfenstein: Youngblood either way after previous fiascos, but apparently it had those!) as well as lootboxes, pay $5 and get 1% chance to get a Quad Damage usable in MP.

Raven (Quake 4, Wolfenstein 2009) were angels compared to Machine Games (all of Wolfenstein from 2014 onwards). Raven was at least making PC games (more like Half-Life than Quake but hey, still PC games). In contrast, Machine Games makes pure console games and absolutely no effort goes into a PC port which is an unpleasant obligation for them, best done by an intern so no one important has to deal with that crap.

I bet that will become true

Oh, I forgot about stealth missions. But those are obligatory anyways, everyone knows that, so no need to mention.

Sounds legit, but (me thinks) you forgot features like:
- denuvo;
- 200ups speed limit;
- paperthin skill ceiling;
- general hate by the dev team on the faithful quake veterans and everything they wish for;
- zero mod support, and zero respect for the old Quake community;
- and I risk it, but probably: no multiplayer (or maybe some damned peer2peer level abdomination with the worst anticheat and netcode in the history of videogames);
- etc.

If it's really not done by the team behind doom 2016 and doom eternal I will rofl so hard + machine games is behind wolfenstein young blood that is pure garb*ge.

The obvious choice for dev team is the one behind doom eternal - they know what they are doing and do it in modern/evolving game while respecting the legacy of the project. Regardless, let's wait till quakecon and see, I won't be really surprised if it's just a rumour.

Doom Eternal?! That clumsy parkour game? One where you sometimes also fight monsters, but only to fill in a virtual shelf on a "hub world", because 1. Nintendo fans need hub a world and 2. they were too lazy to connect the maps in any way.

And when you finally fight a monster, there's like 17 buttons for different weapons, because console games need to utilize all the buttons on a controller, that's the law. Can't have all weapons selectable via weapon wheel/mouse wheel, that would be a waste!

And of course unskippable movies. And the Doomguy talks in them and it's cringe af. And first one you just have to watch every time you start a new campaign.

Doom 2016 was the best game in 20 years. The beginning is: there's no unskippable movie, you wake up and shoot stuff, then a short clip of satanic imagery plays, then you go out in the world and fucking reload the shotgun in perfect sync with the metal riff (I get shivers just remembering it!), then go do what you're here to do - shoot everything that moves. Yes, later in the game, the crazy robot scientist talks to you for half an hour, but you're already so in love with the game that you don't even care that much. First impression was simply that good. None of that with Eternal.

Doom Eternal is an effort to monetize Doom 2016 on consoles by appeasing both Tomb Raider and Mario fans, Doom fans will buy it anyways. I know I did, and never even finished the thing, it's boring and frustrating. I finished Doom 2016 three times so far and tried a few ultra nightmare runs ;) So to me there was a huge difference.

Don't get me wrong, Eternal wasn't completely fuckered like the Wolfensteins. Some maps were still absolutely perfectly Doom-like (aka real mazes where you go through the same room several times after unlocking new passages - intended solution is still pretty linear, but you don't feel "on rails"), I just wish there was a mod removing all the annoyances between the good bits ;)

Maybe I'll go and give it another chance next month, maybe the new update (I heard there's one with RTX crap) allows skipping movies or selecting rarely used weapons with the wheel? Maybe I just had too high hopes, expecting a sequel to be at least half as good as the original? I promise to give it another chance with lower expectations ;)

Stopped reading when you said you can't skip cutscenes in doom eternal. The forced myself to get back to it and I wonder if you even played the game based on what BS you just wrote.

If you kept reading, maybe you'd get to the last paragraph where I say I'm planning on giving it another chance and specifically say I hope they implemented movie skipping in an update :) Glad you confirm!

Doom 2016 was a stressful experience, I remember countless dying on pc in ultra violence, but I like since they brought the genre forward with this type of gameplay. Imho. the soundtrack by Mike Gordon is really great, that combined with the big name of Doom, novelties in Gameplay that are not bad, and the overall execution (no noticeble bugs) and good trailers made the game stand out among all these numb call of duty clones.
But I dont want this type of constant stressful Gameplay for Quake SP, some hordes are good, but all the time fighting against hordes creates too much negative stress for me

You can change the difficulty mid-game, but players never do this.

I never felt there were "hordes", after playing Serious Sam 3 (never got 4, I read it's even worse in that department ;)) I thought even those fights that you get from destroying nests were nothing in comparison ;)

But yeah, don't suffer, switch back to normal/easy difficulty for first play-through and simply enjoy killing demons in the hundreds :)

Still difficult to go below Ultra Violence as someone who played the original games … :-), I rather think they got that difficulty wrong, I played through already Doom 2016, not sure if I ever gonna play again, especially since eternal seems to be the better game

If you jump into doom eternal on ultra - you will have a really bad time, especially in the two DLCs that are a lot harder. They did the right thing - they give you challenge on the "normal" difficulty and keep the higher ones for the veterans that still want to feel challenge. So yes, ramp down the difficulty for your first playthrough, it's not a shame.

I played a bit of eternal, but still in the beginning, at one point I just preferred playing qc.
So far difficulty seems ok in Ultra Violence, but maybe it will become similar to 2016 in the later stages,
if it gets too frustrating I think you can set different difficulty mid game

The DLCs are a lot harder vs base game + yes, it's getting harder later stages. The beginning is easy, but I am not sure why you compare doom eternal with QC?

A lot of pros in Q1/Q2 played Quake MP, but never touched SP ...
MP is just more fun in the end, if u r any good :-)

Ofc, back in the days everyone played Q2 MP in PC gaming clubs. Doubt most played the SP, they just go out and played the game their friends played (SC, Q2, Diablo 2, etc.)

Must have been a good culture those lan cafes, I still remember the first LANs back in the day, they were also nice, nowadays noone LANs anymore

if its done by machine games, it will be just another generic fps

It figures they would pick MachineGames. These guys always end up working on the wrong genre.

The question is why id need another studio to help them with it? Is it going to be like QC's development?

Cutting costs/Quake no longer considered a premium franchise (for lack of a better term)?

Probably going to be like Raven doing Q4.

hopefully not true

better a reboot then sync/spong working on medical devices or power plants.

Who cares

id microsoftware
pro_bill_gates_of_hell.pk3

it will be dumbed down for the masses.
i bet they will remove movement mechanics. :D

not hyped.

These rumors (before the newer ones) have been happening since 2019, when Development for QC dropped and went into a sort-of esports maintenance mode where QC work would only be done for the QPL. The talk of it happening has been around for a while, we are in 2021 (25th Anniversary of Quake) and nothing has been announced or nothing new has been shown off for Quake yet.

Also speculations points to Xbox where their twitch channel started appearing in Quake's main stream several times on twitch and even streaming the whole day's event of QPL on their main Xbox Twitch page.

all trolling/jokes aside, what are they willing to do to make this Quake good? Will they make sure all Rocket Jumping, bunnyhopping/strafejumping is in there and is in more of a pure way? Will they hire an industrial band or two (quite possibly from Los Angeles where the scene is bigger there) to do the music for this new Quake? I'm interested in hearing about it.

Quake was a product of its times.

A new Quake can't be "good" simply because it's made in 2021, and so it will have overcumbered graphics, generic aesthetic, hibrid minimum common denominator gameplay, microtransactions, goofy costumes etc etc etc.

But it will be a success. Quake Champions has been a huge success, financially wise, and they pretty much failed in every single aspect of the game. Everything was unoriginal and half assed, and it still succeeded.

The new quake can't be worse than Quake champions. Guaranteed generic futuristic shooter commercial success.

The quake pros have already wanked themselves raw in the last few days.

For the last months they feared the faucet would close up and they'd have to actually try (and fail badly) in some other esport game.

These news basically guaranteed they'll just have to tune in a few hours a week to check their monthly salary like they've done for the last years.

The only ones losing from this whole deal are die hard old quake fans, looking for some sick and smart gameplay and tournament action.

Quake Champions has been a huge success, financially wise

[citation needed]

From every angle it looks like a failure. It's in Early Access since 2017, in August Tim sold us the Champions Pack saying it will never be this cheap after release... and by October they were already selling it cheaper than that.

The development team (aka Saber) was removed in 2018 and since then it's on life support, with Sync making one map per year and tweaking some server configs. Engine is in almost as bad shape as it was in 2016-2017 (closed beta->open beta->stupid QuakeCon tournament with a 5 FPS stream) and next update is supposed to bring performance improvements by... setting process priority to high (which we're all doing since 2017 anyways).

It clearly lost money. Perhaps the main reason they even keep it running is QPL, so that when the new Quake comes and there's yet another million dollar tournament, rapha is still around ;)

We've been over this countless times already. Only because you consider the game a failure by quake standards, doesn't mean it must have been an economic failure too.

It's even clearer when you use "small budget, low investments and dedicated team" as an argument.

It's actually a big reason of why it made so much moneys- because it cost nothing to make and keep online.

They outsourced the engine coding to a small tier z russian developing team, paying them peanuts. They kept the developing team tiny at all times, and always kept the absolute minimum number of servers online possible. The "seasons" are made up of constantly recicled scrapped and half finished or half assed artwork pieces, with an hanful of badly blended 3d weapons here and there.

Again, minimum investment, maximum result. And what are the results?

For its firt year of life the game cost 30 dollars to buy and sold hundreds of thousands of copies.

It literally made MILLIONS already just in that time period.

Add to that that for the longest time champions weren't free, they needed to be bought individually and they weren't cheap unless you bought the game.

That's also why any new champion was deliberately insanely broken at release, to push player to buy them: death knight, doom, athena, etc;

Add to that that for the longest time it was very hard and slow to unlock vanities, thus tens of thousands of retards spent 10 dollars to buy tutus and glitter spandex suits.

And it's not over yet, because the game pass costs the equivalent of 10 dollars and is bought by the majority of the active players each month, still to this day.

But wait, there's more. Every time you hop in a server a couple weeks after the beginning of a new season you'll see the majority of the players have already maxed out the progression. How in the fuck? I didn't understand how that was possible, so i asked around and it comes out a good percentage of players spam buys the experience boost potions.

They fucking stack them! Those fucking retards not only pay to unlock the game pass every single months without fail, they even boost themselves to complete it faster than their firends for bragging rights.

But it's not over yet! Every time they released a new "cool" vanity item (like sorlag mecha skin) you could see most of the servers players having it proudly equipped in the few days after the release, which means it wasn't grinded, it was directly bought.

So yeah, turns out the quake community is made up of degenerate dumbasses with too much moneys to throw around just as well as Fortnite or Call of Duty's communities are, and actually more since they're made up of 30-something years old guys with no family and lots of disposable income.

Tl:dr: they made and are still making a fuckton of moneys especially considering how little resources the game itself required to be made and now requires to be run.

you consider the game a failure by quake standards

I actually don't. I remember QL's launch (which was equally botched) so "quake standards" were met.

the game cost 30 dollars to buy and sold hundreds of thousands of copies

This is what I asked to cite the source for.

As far as I can tell, it sold like 5000 copies of the Champions Pack (based on SteamDB/SteamCharts, double that for BNL customers) and some platinum for Battle Passes later on.

a good percentage of players spam buys the experience boost potions

No, buying one with the BP is enough, I like to do that a few days after the season starts (you get a second potion at level 30-something, giving you 14 days to finish 100 games and do the BP challenges from weeks 1-3). I can get to level 100 in those two weeks, you can get 200k exp from a single game if you complete several challenges at once :)

So that's 1300 platinum spent. Then I get 10 daily from playing 3 matches, 20 weekly from login rewards, convert some from shards, get some from "events" (like the 25th anniversary that just ended) and I end up with more or less same platinum I had last season.

Last time I spent money on the game was in 2017 (after the champions pack, I got a $5 "esports pack" and that's it). I have 5500+ platinum, 1000+ shards, 2097 unopened lootboxes (I believe I'm the biggest lootbox hoarder in the game), collected all lore and champion levels years ago.

Yes, I have a purple railgun (bought with shards). Yes, I have the QW Ranger skin and axe (took me 5 games total to get all the challenges except the orb double-frag, that's impossible anyways). You can get all this stuff for free in a few hours, as long as you're an active player :)

I don't know of anyone who keeps spending money on the game, maybe except xtina, she bought that RL with heart-shaped rockets. I would get one too (I have all the free platinum anyways), just never noticed when it was on sale ;)

So again: we know they spent millions developing this, and then more millions on tournaments. How many millions are they making on selling Battle Passes and skins, considering there was never more than a few thousands of active players? (one source: https://steamcharts.com/app/611500 - I assume there's no more than 10x of peak online players on Steam)

"So again: we know they spent millions developing this,"

Citation needed. We actually know they spent peanuts to have Saber make the game.

"As far as I can tell, it sold like 5000 copies of the Champions Pack (based on SteamDB/SteamCharts, double that for BNL customers) and some platinum for Battle Passes later on."

Where's the source for this?

You looked at steam charts, assumed the average number of players is equal to the total one, and further diminished a completely made up estimation?

I hope you're still in middle school if that's how you reason.

1. "Peanuts" in game development is still millions. Full team of programmers and 3D artists worked on this for several years (presumably since 2014-2015 until late 2018). Sure, contracting a Russian company to use their Halo Online engine might be cheaper, but it's still years of invoices. Not to mention, the launch tournament in 2017 had a million dollar prize pool by itself.

2. https://steamspy.com/app/874720 - apprantely nowadays this guy requires payment for access to the data, but it still claims number of owners is between 0 and 20k. I remember it being around 5k a week or two after launch (price was $20), which is what I cited. Either way - no more than 20k players paid the $30 (or $20 on sale).

It's the same with the Champions Pack: https://steamspy.com/app/679310 - less than 20k players paid this $30 (also $20 on sale).

Even with the free play event and the starter pack sale, it went up to 50k QC "owners" by late 2017 (which was like 10k paid, 40k installed for a free play event), so first they slashed the starter pack's price and then in 2018 made the game free to play, hitting 200k "owners" in a day. Since then it had some growth, players installing and leaving after a game or two - normal f2p stuff, none of them are paying.

Meanwhile, they reduced the maintenance team to SyncError himself basically ;) They purposefully disabled public games on stats.quake.com to save server capacity :D But those are still running costs. Add QPL on top of that.

I'm really not sure why you think they make more money from battle passes and skins than even those running costs, not to mention the initial investment.

1 Thirld world countries development teams are cheap- it's the whole point of hiring them. The game was so technically half assed it's still evident 4 years later that it saw minimal investent and work.

2 Looking at steam charts, a conservative estimate shows at least around 100.000 unique players before the game went free to play. That's literally millions of dollars right there in the first year of activity, without even counting the vanities bought separately.

The million dollar tournament was mostly financed by sponsors like AMD. That's why they didn't care about it and half assed it too.

Again, this is not counting the battle pass and the exp potion most players paid for every single months, and all the vanities they sold and still keep selling. To people like you.

The game made bank, all the while being serviced by a minimalistic team like you admit. Minimum effort, maximum result. Which is the reason it's still running and actually they're investing into the game more and more.

It's a goldmine and probably the brightest game id ever developed when you consider the cost/earnings metric.

When you say minimal investment, how much is that?

Don't expect an estimate other than "peanuts" and "cheap". Not worth arguing anyways. He thinks AMD paid for the whole tournament and never asked to put their logo or name there (compare Intel Extreme Masters). He thinks the 100k people who played in a "free play event" stayed and paid to continue playing (while Steam Charts were back to 500 player daily peaks). He thinks I pay for exp boosters every month even though I explained it's all free once per season.

(And yes, I got the new railgun for free 2 weeks into the season, got ~300 platinum from BP and shards, now I'm back to the 3 games per day to recover the rest and be ready for another season without paying a dime. Which is what everyone does, right?)

"He thinks AMD paid for the whole tournament"

I find it funny how you so shamelessly lie in front of everyone where the proof i never said that is literally written few cms above this lie of yours.

Like.... are you 8 years old? For your sake, i hope you are because otherwise you're just another psychopath on the loose.

Well, considering you're one of those freaks who actually bought cosmetics items in the game, and you're now running around all triggered because you felt called out on that... we already know the answer.

Nobody knows. It's not numbers they'd have interest in sharing, and unlike others aspect they can't be guessed even inaccurately.

So I ended the season with over 5500 platinum, 1000 shards, 2130 loot boxes and all the event + BP stuff.

All the platinum spent on BP has been recovered by playing. Not as nice as a year or two ago when I was consistently earning more than spending, but still :)

I stand by my assertion that you don't need to spend any money on this game, as long as you play it (exactly 3 matches every day).

PS. I just remembered - I have indeed spent more money on QC! In November 2018 I bought the comic book, it's great! And that was already the compilation (they stopped drawing it after only 3 parts) and it was already discounted (coinciding with Saber leaving the project)

I wish there were more stories :/

But that's another sign that the game was a failure - all the products around it were cancelled around that time. Try getting the physical Scalebearer edition (the one with the statue, it also gives you skin in game). If Quake community is "made up of degenerate dumbasses with too much moneys to throw around", why don't they keep releasing those statues? There certainly ARE people who would buy them (if only as collectibles, but some probably just for the codes ;)), it simply makes no sense to invest tens of thousands into molds and then sell a 100 pieces, even at €300 each.

The new quake can't be worse than Quake champions.

Ahhh, this die-hard optimism of ESR...

we just need sonic to return If this happens.

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"we are not believing that quake champions will end up like quake live"

esr 5 years ago

Quake 5 single player interesting.

Try to get Athena CTF PQL physics, unlimited grapples, into a new or existing title.

TDM and CTF build communities. Duel divides. Create easy web based integration of ladders for players tourneys, scheduling etc written by idsoftware and integrated into game.

Both wolfenstein games were really good, so here's hoping the quake game will be just as good and will retain the spirit of q1/q2 sp experience just like the wolf reboots did with rtcw vibe.

I didnt like the doom reboot at all, mainly because of that mechanism of closed rooms with monster respowns and this annoying double jump/dash thing, that felt really off, so I am glad ID is not making the sp part, just because it just doesnt feel like they are fans of their own games, they are more like halo fans at this point.

In regard of the mp part, something tells me that somehow Sync is still going to be the lead gameplay designer so best we can hope for is some sort of quake champions - type bullshit with lot of bad design decisions,
terrible netcode in 8 player mode, and some terrible quasi battle royale thing that will be unplayable.

But there are still some ffa servers in QL I can jump in on occasion so idgaf, matter of fact

"But the multiplayer will be a crapshoot"

Quake 1 was the best Multiplayer game out of all the idsoftware titles. Especially CTF, where any noob could jump on with shit movement, grapple around the place, doing what they want, grap a rocket launcher and shoot. Class.

Fast paced shooter, bring it on Threewave & zoid <3

Peace

Quake with cars is the future.

Quake Snowboarding with Anarki, like SSX Tricky, would truly be a masterpiece :)

Steam spy reports numbers that don’t match steam charts. The site has never worked

“Steam Spy is still in beta, so expect major bugs.”

If this is aimed at me (I linked their estimates earlier in the thread), remember we're talking 2017. Steam published very precise numbers back then. BNL never did, but it's way less popular among QC players, so I'm generous by doubling the Steam numbers.

We don't know how many people spend how much money on platinum right now, but we know how it sold at the beginning of early access, and then the desperation kicked in immediately (discounts below the price that Tim promised was "cheapest it's ever going to be", then going f2p without going out of EA), which only proves those numbers in my eyes :(

New Quake's marketing will all be based around Wolfenstein and Doom reboots and will never mention QC. You'll see.

I really hope it will be in Quake1 universe.

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I only have 2 requests.. please don't involve Syncerror.. and don't use some kind of casino game engine like last abortion of quake.

Tim Willits will save Quake, h3h3

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