use wmo

yes

sehr geistreich von euch beiden, respekt !!

what's the mouse have to do with what i'm talking about..

Welcome to ESReality.

Respect the paco!

run gpu-z, select sensors tab, minimize gpu-z, run ql, and after minute or so look at graphs at gpu-z.
u can click on MHz value to see min/max/avg valuses
if gpu core clock was changing then u got the reason. at 144Hz and higher gpu core clock must stable and maximum. also set high performance power plan at windows to prevent cpu clock changing.

Pecka: i tried your suggestion..cpu clock was stable at 1176 all the time during play..didn't seem to be dropping so i guess that' not the issue

I also got my hand on a 9800 gtx and had the same issue..at 120hz and 125 fps still felt like fps drops and it also drops with 250 fps specially on maps like longest yard and corrosion (other maps as well but those 2 it's very noticeable)..so it probably not a graphic card issue because i tried a bunch of them..so what else could it be..any ideas?

and i've had the power plan on high performance both in nvidia and windows

The only thing left for me to change would be the MB and cpu..but i had frame drops on the old core duo dell too..so wth..lol

set maximum performance mode in NVidia control panel under 3d advanced settings

In terms of FPS and FPS-drops:

imho it's drivers and OpenGL being kind of forgotten by the GFX driver devs.

I've had to use r_vertexlight 1 at least since maps like toxicity (more noticable in certain spots on the map, looking in certain directions) were introduced even with new-ish GPUs. IGPU probably wouldn't run much worse =)

I pretty much like the look of the non-shadowed maps more anyway. Some maps look(ed?) bugged like McSarges, but I can live with that. You prly also have to set r_gamma (aka brightness) a little different.

Leave BIOS and driver stuff as is (as recommended by the producer).



In terms of [..it feels choppy/jittery and slightly delayed..]
I got that too, but never got to the real source for that. Everything felt like it had an additional 50 ms delay - whether it being input/output or even the netcode who the fuck knows.

- it happened more often after the PC has run for the whole day, more often if it ran more programs/games
- iirc it was more likely to happen on certain maps (T7 for me)
- if it happened, it stayed like that for a few days
- while I type this, one thing I never thought of, some kind of paging file overflow? I've always been limiting it to 2x RAM
- tried a lot of different things, reinstalled to XP at some point lol, reinstalled rooter/modem fw/alt fw.... all without real success though
- Since I had a modern highish-end CPU and 2x SSD it seemed to happen almost never happen anymore, still saw it, but like 10x less likely

>it's drivers and OpenGL being kind of forgotten by the GFX driver devs.

Its something that tends to degrade over time, obviously

While I basically agree with what you want to tell, timedemo doesn't include some parts of the stress the engine delivers (kb/mouse input, netcode at least what I imagine)

reading keyboard/mouse input, network readout - its all working in non-blocking manner, most "stress" parts in Q3 - visuals & sound mixing

Do you have vstr fov changes or sens changes per weapon or something similar in your cfg. If so make qzconf and autoexec, or whatever conf files you use, read only. If they are not read only, quake rewrites em every time you switch fov, sens or similar shit and that causes jitter

Have you tried updating your motherboard BIOS? That fixed various performance issues for me.

What polling rate does your mouse run? If it's 125Hz it could be part of the problem on the lcd monitor. Bought a 144Hz 24" lcd for my son and it felt like crap (very choppy) on 125Hz, due to the high resolution compared to his old monitor. Installed USB polling rate drivers and set it to 500Hz and it felt better. Still some maps are just very fps heavy and you get fps drops no matter what, unless you have an over the top system...

T1E: i have used r_vertexlight 1 before too and didn't do much..i will try changing gamma and see but don't think it will do much either.

Can you tell me about your old pc specs and your new one?..i would like to know more about your "highish end cpu" that you think fixed the problem

To me it happens more randomly..like one game it's fine then the next it's shit..or it could happen during the game itself..someone will join the server or leave and all a sudden game feels out of sync or something and can't shoot anymore but offline it's more consistent..i feel it all the time just not as bad as online of course but def. noticeable specially on maps were there's actual fps (longest yard or corrosion)

Meph1stoo: i have different fov binds on my config but same sensitivity..i will try your suggestion though..thanks

Retribution: yea i updated the BIOS, tried different graphic drivers, usb drivers, ports, etc..all that

Bamofu: using 1000 hz polling rate, same thing happen with 500 hz and yea it's more noticeable with 125hz

Your CPU is perfectly fine, although I did have problems with that motherboard's power phases (wouldn't send enough volts to my i7 4790k) but I believe that shouldn't affect your cpu or quake.

Maybe you have maximum pre rendered frames set to something other than 1? Vsync off? Triple buffering needs to be off.. I would also keep vertex light on, you can set it to 2 if you want to keep the dynamic lights. Also try r_enablepostprocess 0

I can't get solid 250fps with vertex off with a gtx 970 lol. QL is pretty fucked but you should be able to get it smooth with vertex on and enable post process off.

old spec: Core 2 CPU + HDD
new: 4670K + SDDs, still same FPS on most maps =) but almost never that warp/delay/... anymore

try win10 with 750ti card and last drivers

do you use DSR (dynamic super resolution) ?

The ql stutters at 125 or 250 fps when u use a 144hz. I think most ppl just cant see it.

Stand in front of archway like quad area dm6 and strafe left right not touching mouse. The edge of the doorway shows the stutter as the solid edges skip and stutter and the textures break up.

fix = com_maxfps 126

You will probably get solid and smooth 142fps with that setting

There is another thread around here about fps = net packets

at 250 or 125 you get maxpackets 125

at 142 you get something like 75ish cant remember now.... but its a valid multiple for maxpackets from memory to have 142fps, also close to 144hz. if you are not solid 250 then u are dropping down to the next valid maxpackets multiple anyway which is 90 or 80 or something, better off solid at 142 fps and 70ish maxpackets.

sounds like you need to disable the power saving features of your cpu in the bios, C state sleeps or w/e the fuck they're called.

if you run a 144hz monitor refresh then your fps and your mouse polling rate need to be above this figure or it will feel like shit,

com_idlesleep 0
144hz
250fps
500/1000hz mouse polling

ati/nvidia shouldnt matter, i've used all combinations of cpu gpu and never had a problem, you're looking in the wrong place with gfx card for sure, but make sure you have vsync forced off in driver settings and r_swapinterval 0 in config

run QL windowed and load ffa with a few bots, have task manager always on top and check cpu usage while game runs in background, then change between com_idlesleep 1 and 0, on my i3 system i get the following
com_idlesleep 0 = 24% cpu usage
com_idlesleep 1 = 7% cpu usage

check yours behaves somewhat similar and then go mess with cpu sleep states in bios and make some notes till u figure the cause of the problem

good luck ))

Download DPC latency checker and post a screenshot.

http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml

carecry: yea prerendered frames is set to 1, vsync off, triple buffering off, post processing off

T1E: thanks..can you tell me your motherboard too?

Pecka: i've tried win 10 at some point..same problem..don't remember if i had latest video drivers though

Anonymous: no i don't use DSR
I tried 144hz with 142 fps..it's better but i still notice it..same with 160hz and 166 fps..better but still there just not as bad..and once i go online it becomes much more noticeable

squadmeta: Power settings like c state, c1, etc all are also off in BIOS..Disabled core parking..i have gone through most settings you could think of..lol

about com_idlesleep..this is interesting because i haven't noticed how it effects cpu usage like that before..i know 0 is the recommended one and that's what i had but after trying 1 i noticed it's actually somewhat better as far as input lag..just felt faster somehow..

what i did is i had com_idlesleep 1, com_maxfps 200 (which drops to 166) then i had 160hz..it felt better than idlesleep 0, maxfps 166 and 160hz..not sure how and why..it still get the slightly jittery feeling but input lag is better..and i'm testing it on a crt so i can tell there's a slight difference

but anyways, what were you recommending me to use

Another thing i noticed is when i had HPET off and com_idlesleep 1, there was the usual frame drops (from 250 to 200, from 200 to 166, 166 to 142, and 142 drops to 129 then 125 drops to 116)..but when i turned HPET on and had idlesleep 1 it kinda behaved like idlesleep 0 and there was less fps drops

anyways, i feel like i can notice it no matter what settings i have...it just always feels like fps drops specially on maps like longest yard and corrosion where i can see it actually drop..it's very noticeable and i'm not sure if that's normal..anyone else get fps drops on those maps?

Retribution: i have used DPC checker before and gone through the latency tweaks..i can get my DPC latency low around 2-10 idle and around 30-50 average during gameplay with some random spikes every once in a while which i think are caused by Nvidia drivers so not much to do about it..

I have used latencymon too and that program used to give me an annoying error..could be my issue but i never found out how to fix it..i don't get the error as much anymore since i got my gtx 750ti but i used to get it on my gtx 650

Basically the error was:

Your system appears to be having trouble handling real-time audio and other tasks. You are likely to experience buffer underruns appearing as drop outs, clicks or pops. One problem may be related to power management, disable CPU throttling settings in Control Panel and BIOS setup. Check for BIOS updates.


i disabled cpu throttling though power options and did the core parking tweak, changed power settings in BIOS, updated the BIOS but was still getting that error

like i said only after i switched to gtx 750ti i don't get it as much when i run the program but i do still get it randomly when i run it..i just try to ignore it because it piss me off since i can't find a solution for it..lol

Leave HPET on and vertex lighting on ingame. Otherwise, sounds like ultimately you should get a new motherboard or PC when you can :)

See if increasing pre-rendered frames to 3 or 4 helps any.

I have the exact same problem as the main hero :)

I'm glad I'm not the only one who have been searching the solution for years and haven't found it :D

I feel you, bro. So much love for QL, and so little response from QL devs :(

Regards,
12oad

I think people pretending its because the GPU is downclocking at times are wrong, If you dont have any FPS drops then why would nowadays super powerful GPU run at its max clocks while it can do the job at lower clocks? If you have constant 250 FPS you can;t say its because the GPU downclock. Unless you have framerate drops.

You should upgrade your PC and play at 144Hz 250fps im sure all that feeling of fps drops would be gone.

carecry and retribution: thanks i will try them again and see

so for those of you who say they get constant 250 fps or even constant 125 fps...please tell me..do you get huge fps drops on longest yard and corrosion..on corrosion it can drop to 80 fps in certain places...i want to know if you get constant 250 or 125 fps all the time on all maps or do you still drop on those maps or other maps..because if you don't drop on the maps i mentioned then there must be something wrong with my pc and i guess i'm gonna have to look into getting another MB..yet again

No need to buy another PC. I did it twice without any success.
My guess is that the problem lies somewhere in CPU scaling.

com_idlesleep 1 is the default and recommended setting unless you get problems with it, the game defaults to that state when windowed to save your cpu from doing unneeded work. I have a low end system and if i play QL with a stream or youtube in hd in the background (for music) i get fps drop when using idlesleep 0, but not with 1.

Try this.... quit all the background processes you can, especially antivirus and such things, my suspicion is that some background process or service is causing the prob, now you've eliminated any other possibilities. When i played QL beta i was using an agp system from 2005, it ran 125fps smooth, and continued to run 250 smooth after the update, was amd 3200+ with 7950 nvidia on win xp, i fail to see how your hardware can cause the problem, i'd put money on it that if you did a fresh install of windows and made no bios changes, QL would run perfectly. Half the time these hardware tweaks people do actually break more than they fix, especially DPC stuff which most users don't understand.

Could you upload your config somewhere, would be interesting to see just in case there's some things we could suggest you try, for a start i'd keep post processing ON, with the spec you have.

edit... i will persevere with this thread until you have it fixed, i like a challenge )

I used to use 1 long time ago but i switched to 0 because it was a recommended fix to fps drops...like i said i noticed it mainly drops because HPET was turned off..when HPET is turned on it doesn't drop as much but still does a little (even with r_vertexlight 1) and drops a lot on the maps i mentioned...so for now i found that 1 seems to be working little better..feels like i have less input lag and at least some of the annoying delay is gone..and i also prefer HPET to be off and r_vertexlight off..the trick was to adjust refresh rate with the fps AFTER it drops..so for now found that i can use 200 fps (which drops to 166) and then use 160 hz..or i can use 142 fps (which drops to 129) and use 135 hz..most other combinations still result in the annoying jittery feeling (125 fps/ 120 hz or 250 fps/144 hz)..so this is the best i can get it..not perfect but better though i still drop a lot on the maps i mentioned

I have most background processes turned off...i have even gone through turning off a lot of services like windows defender, windows update and such..so don't think there's a background process causing this...also if you're talking about old QL not steam..then i think it ran better..how does the game run for you now in steam?

I've also reinstalled windows countless times, tried different versions, tried win 10 and xp..used default BIOS settings, changed them..gone through most of that

I will upload my cfg soon..but i tried a bunch of them even the one by lorfa and was still getting fps drops

The real problem actually isn't in how the game run in offline mode..i can live with that..the problem is online is ridiculously laggy and gets unplayable sometimes..i'm suspecting that it's caused by something wrong with my system because of the fps drops but maybe it's my connection..but online can be awful..in servers where i get 45 ping it sometimes feels like 100-150 and gets really annoying...also something i noticed is a lot of times the game will start fine but after few minutes in the game (2-5 min) it starts lagging..it's like there's a thick layer of lag added all a sudden and everything feels delayed and i'm behind everything and can't shoot the same people i was shooting easily before

Another thing i forgot to mention is i bought my MB refurbished so maybe it was a bad decision..but everything else runs fine except ql..also i've had this problem even worse in my older system with a core duo and another old dell pc i still have (use for testing) also gets a lot of fps drops

Oh and i also crash often..used to crash a lot and get the failed to authenticate with steam error..now it just crashes and says quake has stopped working..very annoying also and def not normal

One more thing..maps like longest yard start dropping fps after i add bots..the more i add the more fps drops i get..i'm not sure what that would suggest..

Go here to sort the game crashes: http://esreality.com/post/2818141/fix-for-game-crashes/

I have slight stuttering and fps drops if I play with a 60hz monitor connected as a second monitor.

BaMoFu: thnx that seems to have stopped the crashes so far..hopefully it won't crash again

Squad: here's my cfg:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4OkjgLsyHwqaUpVOXRRQVN0clE

I'm using oreoz cfg and modified it a bit..there's a lot of stuff in it i don't know what it does but it's the best cfg i used so far so that's why i'm using the way it is..it just feels less laggy than the other ones i've tried

So far using com_idlesleep 1 has been better and i'm using com_maxfps 166 (which drops to 142) and 150 hz..the jittery feeling is less and not very noticeable on the crt (more on the lcd) but there's still slight delay in shots

but like i said it still kinda lag a lot online even with low ping..not sure why that happens..i can play fine with higher ping too but i feel like ping is meaningless in this game..it''s how it feels..sometimes i have 45 that feels like crap and sometimes i have 70 ping and playing better..other times i can't hit with either..and sometimes i can play better with 120 ping on a euro server..it's just so random..

Also i noticed that sometimes when i'm joining a server and it's downloading a map..a lot of times it''s so slow like 250kbs when i have verizon fios 50/50..not sure why that happens either

Get back to me about the pre-rendered frames. 1 may increase mouse response but it is known to cause framerate issues.

imo com_maxfps 126 is a better way to get 142fps. 166 or 142 is rubbish and stutters

That aside almost sounds like you have 2 problems.

Ever since 250fps update servers just seem to choke up. First day of 250fps we played 16player longest yard and whole server just jitter like crazy. The next update seemed fix that tho but it still happens to me rarely on busy server/right map like longest yard/asylum

Four of us play excessive plus all shooting like 50 grens a seconds that was enough to bring server to its knees. Mad jitter.

Idk why you would get that all the time but try that mod/setting and see if its starts to look like a more extreme condition of what you normally feel. If so id put blame on the netcode/server but yea its shouldn't happen in your avg game of CA

Please do as MollyB says and delete qz and rep config and make readonly, then exec a known clean config.

I see many things in your cfg are not default, some just plain wrong, and a ton of unnecessary things, some examples here....

seta r_displayRefresh "190" (set to monitor hz)

seta com_maxfps "160" (fps lower than refresh rate above!)

seta r_texturebits "16" (this usually should be 32 and might create issue with your gfx card)

seta com_soundMegs "8" (default 16)

seta cl_packetdup "0" (this should be 0 for lan only really)

seta cl_maxPing "50" (hmmm, really?)

seta m_filter "1" (mouse filtering, off by default, assume cvar still works)

seta com_zoneMegs "16" (default 64)


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so please dload a clean cfg from k1llsen or ncts.at, set monitor at 144hz or 120hz if crt, set the r_displayRefresh to the chosen value, then run fps at 250.

Report back )))

I have had THE same problem.

Micro stutter, you see it IF you zoom in and strafe on walls / pixel Lines.

For med it was due to crappy and big cfgs

Delete qzconfig / repconfig

Download k1llsens cfg from his twitch
Twitch.tv/k1llsen

That is one of The only configs removing this for me


Use 144hz, rmode - 2and maxfps 250

Also com_idlesleep 0

Please try this.

I don't know if it helps, but I recognized that Razor Synapse Software is somehow drastically influencing the FPS performance of QL. If you use Synapse software - end or deinstall it for starting the game.

Besides I have another question:
Whiche r_mode is the best for performance.

Almost everyone is using r_mode -2, but isn't it much more effective using i.e. r_mode 15 for a stable 250 FPS?

Which modes are you guys using?

Retribution: i tried 3 and see no difference in fps at all. Maybe 1 was slightly more responsive but that's about it. I still had the fps on the maps i mentioned and everything else with 3

Anonymous: there was no difference for me when using 126. It felt the same as using 142 or 160..with idlelseep 0, 126 increase to 142..with idlesleep 1 it only increases to 129...when using idlesleep 1, 160 drops to 142..with idlesleep 0 it changes to 166..either way..they all felt the same at 142 regardless which idlesleep and fps i was using..

but yea i think i have 2 different problems, one is offline slight jitter/delay i'm talking about and the second is online being shitty specially with full servers..my ping also isn't very stable..it changes from 45 to 80 through the day and using vpn like wtfast doesn't seem to always help..sometimes i see the ping drops but it still feels shitty..a 45 ping still feels like 2x or 3x

I will check out that mod and see..thnx

Squad: i've been experimenting with fps and refresh rate a lot but that's not the values i was using..i accidentally left it saved that way but anyways i did what you and Molly suggested and got k1llsen cfg. i modified it slightly so i can use it..here's it is:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4OkjgLsyHwqNHNOaWRhZ3hJOG8

I've only tested it on my crt so far and here's what i found..i was using idlesleep 0, maxfps 250 and 120 hz, r_mode 9..i was still getting the same feeling..it was much more noticeable with 125 fps..it's subtle but it's there..i also noticed that using idlesleep 1 still feels slightly better as far as input lag/delay..so for now i'm using idlesleep 1, 150 hz and 160 fps which drops to 142 fps..it's the best i can get it but i know it' not fixed because i still have the same fps drops on the maps i mentioned when using 250 fps and idlesleep 0..so i feel like there's no difference in this cfg and the one i used earlier..vertexlight 1 doesn't seem to be helping that much either

Molly: thnx i'm going to test it on my lcd next and use those values and let you know

What mouse and keyboard are you using, and how are they connected, usb 2.0 or 3.0 etc. what psu have you got and are the voltages stable?

What hard drive and how old is it etc?

I ask because the more i read the more i don't think this is config related, there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere lol, the components you've listed so far should run QL perfectly.

using g303 atm..used few others..same problem. Keyboard is some logitech one. doubt it's the problem because tried other keyboards as well. I''m using usb 3.0..I have also tried using usb 2.0. And got a usb 3 expansion card in case the usb on my motherboard had a problem with the drivers or something. Didn't help either. Been using an HDD for a while but upgraded to an SSD few months ago...Same problem..lol
Just recently got a new PSU..this one here:

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Bronze-Power-Supp...ywords=psu

Also it can't be the problem because my older PSU ran my system pretty much the same..not sure how to check if the voltages are stable or not..but i just got the new PSU less than a month and don't think it's the issue either.

I'm thinking it's probably something to do with my MB and HPET. It seems that it has a direct effect on fps drops. When it's turned off i get noticeable fps drops but when it's on it's more stable specially with idlesleep 0 and it i think there's less stuttering (but more delay/input lag maybe) not sure..need to test it more...it still drop a lot on the maps i mentioned though. but maybe that's what causing all these fps drops issues. not sure

I also know that i get an error with latencymon related to power management like i mentioned before. I don't get it as much anymore but i still see it sometimes when i run the program.

can you try using usb2, i previously had probs with usb3 polling rates, download mouseratecheck and see if you have stable polling
i disabled the usb3 port on my mobo and run all at 2.0 speeds using an add in card like you have, fixed a ton of problems for me (gigabyte Z87)

tedious i know but you have to eliminate things one by one lol

I think i've already tried that at least once if not more..didn't help either..lol

so do you get fps drops on corrosion or longest yard?..or any other map?..when you say you have 250 stable..how stable is it?..like it doesn't flicker at all? or flickers a bit?

Most maps it doesn't flicker at all. I tried corrosion and i saw flicker between 250 and 235 fps if i looked at the counter, but i couldn't feel it at all, mouse input certainly wasn't affected, same story with longest yard, but less fps flicker than on corrosion.

This was with 120hz, 250fps, 1000hz polling, idlesleep 0.

I'm sure those maps were also fine with my old agp card, 7950 nvidia, athlon xp3200.

hmm..did you add enough bots? mine seems fine until i start adding bots or if i'm on a server with people..actually it starts dropping after adding 4 or 5 bots then drops really bad after adding like 8 or 10 bots..

Also can you tell me what is your current system?

I decided to try my old pc with a freshly installed win7 and do some testing to compare it to the one i use mainly..it's a gigabyte MB, core duo E8400 3 ghz, 6 gb ram and same card gtx750ti

when HPET was turned off i was getting lots of fps drops..i turned it on and it got stable until i added bots and started dropping bad (even with idlesleep 0)..more fps drops than my i5 setup..this basically tells me it's a MB/CPU problem..i just don't see why i have that problem on both systems when both should be fine..thought they should have handled ql fine..but apparently not..and like i said i tried other OS before including xp and win10..same problem..so i can't really think of anything else other than QL needs a faster single process performance to get 250 fps stable..unless there's something wrong with both my MB..but since this is a common problem i feel like ql just doesn't run right with any setup..you need to get lucky with it and have the right combinations of hardware for it to work right..

can someone recommend me a motherboard and cpu that would get me 250 fps stable on all maps without issues?

I added 8 bots.

Z87 board
i3 4130
8gb ram
7850HD
win 7 64bit
850pro ssd

usb3 disabled
hpet etc default settings
idlesleep 0

i never get enough fps drop to affect mouse performance using these settings....


seta r_roundImagesDown "1"
seta r_detailtextures "1"
seta r_texturebits "32"
seta r_depthbits "0"
seta r_ignorehwgamma "0"
seta r_simpleMipMaps "1"
seta r_swapInterval "0"
seta r_primitives "0"
seta r_dynamiclight "0"
seta r_fastsky "1"
seta r_fastskycolor "0x08090d"
seta r_textureMode "GL_LINEAR_MIPMAP_NEAREST"
seta r_vertexlight "1"
seta r_picmip "5"
seta r_contrast "1.1"
seta r_colorbits "32"
seta r_gamma "1.1"
seta r_mapOverbrightCap "233"
seta r_mapOverBrightBits "3"
seta r_overBrightBits "1"
seta r_intensity "1"
seta r_enableBloom "0"
seta r_enableColorCorrect "1"
seta r_enablePostProcess "1"

alright thanks..though at this point it's hard to believe this game can actually runs without fps drops..lol

I mean i tried 3 different pcs..all have the same problem..wtf..lol
Is there a way to tell if it's the motherboard or the cpu that could be causing this?..which one is most likely to be the problem?

I'm thinking of getting another MB but worried that it will have the same problem assuming the i5 3570k isn't good enough and i need something better or maybe my cpu is just bad..otherwise i would have to get a different MB and different cpu which i don't really want to do..lga 1150 (i7 maybe) instead of 1155..this is all nonsense but not sure what else to do at this point when i tried every tweak imaginable..

so i guess my final question is..if this is a hardware problem, does this sound like a motherboard issue or a problem with the cpu?..the i5 3570k should be fine..right?..it's not that ql needs a faster cpu..it must be something else..yes? and since i went through trying most/all tweaks..it's probably the motherboard that could be causing this?

Molly: i tried the settings you recommended with k1llsen config. Same problem. Still getting the fps drop feeling on lots of maps specially online..much more noticeable. I don't think it's a config problem. I really tried a lot of them. the fps drops are always there. So any other ideas or suggestions?
I can't think of anything else to do other than to get another MB..my cpu is probably fine though.

I have another question hope someone can answer it..

Do all crt monitors have the same input lag?..basically none or are there some better than others?..i'm asking because i noticed some input lag on the crt i have atm..specially with higher refresh rates like 120+..if it's low like 60 or 75 it feels faster but of course not smooth like 120..is this normal?..lower refresh rates supposed to have lower input lag?..i read that it was the other way around
The crt i have now i got used and don't think it's a good brand (MAG innovision)..i used to have a mitsubishi diamond and as far as i remember it was better as far as input lag..so is there a difference in crt quality when it comes to input lag or are they supposed to be all the same? and is there a difference in input lag from 60hz to 120hz?

No not all CRTs are equal. In general they have way less input lag than IPS and TN panels though.

Yea i know but is there a difference in input lag between different CRT monitors?

Input lag comes from the LCD panel scaler

CRT does not have a scaler, so no input lag

I would say no, there is no difference, but that's just a an opinion not a fact.

Also I really doubt buying new hardware going to fix anything. Problem is with the game code, maybe config, your settings or maybe the server you play. Do you always play same server?

Do you use 125Hz mouse at high sensitivity?

I've seen multiple CRTs measured for lag and some are better than others. Probably not enough to make a difference in game.

Alright cool. Well i tried different configs, default and all that..didn't help. I play on different servers. They all have the same problem. which is is delay and choppiness that is much more noticeable online than offline..and more noticeable with more people/full servers with 6-8 players or more to the point of being just plain shitty.
Since some other people say they get 250 constant and aren't always dropping fps even on the maps i mentioned and i see people that seem to be always shooting well even with high ping then it can't be the game code or the server. There's just nothing else left to do but to get another MB..maybe cpu too but i really hope it's just the MB not the cpu

I don't use 125hz mouse..using 1000hz

'much more noticeable online than offline'

using onboard ethernet by any chance? maybe it is time for a new mobo.

skylake ddr4 i5 , probably best solution

yea onboard ethernet with the 3 pcs i tried..but i also bought a separate PCIE network adapter (TP-LINK) and didn't do much for online lag

Skylake i5?..hmm..which one..like this here? and why do you recommend it?

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Boxed-I5-6600K-P...B012M8M7TY

you don't think it's just my MB..shouldn't the i5 3570k be good enough to get 250 stable?

Yes your cpu is fine of course, but can you get a mobo for it now? It's old chip to find a board for surely. The cpu you linked yes, is decent cpu for the price.

there's this one i'm thinking of getting:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It...-_-Product

It has a lot of good reviews. I play QL mainly and don't care much about newer games and i think the i5 i have is already a good cpu so there's probably no point in upgrading it assuming of course the cpu is fine and the MB is the problem.

but shouldn't the core 2 duo E8400 3ghz also be good enough to run QL at 250 fps?..so if i'm getting fps drops with it then something wrong with the gigabyte MB i have as well?..this is just confusing how i have the problem on both pcs..def. more fps drops on the core 2 duo as if both cpus are not fast enough to handle QL and it needs something faster to get 250 stable

Throwing more cpu/motherboard/gfx power at QL probably wont fix the frame drops. Its not really a taxing game except for some weird changes made to it since q3. I mean this game was built for a pentium2/3 before they messed with it in QL version.

years ago QL was pretty much 125fps stable max detail with something like a 7800gtx ( thats way older than even a 260 now).

People get frame drops due to something else, personally I think it boils down to the way frame rate and maxpackets are linked in the game code that is the reason people drop to specific numbers now.

Nobody was having this issues before the 250fps update at which point the netcode was somehow changed linking it to framerate. Thats why I keep saying its the game code problem, not the hardware you use. You already said you tried 3 different motherboards what do you honestly expect a fourth motherboard is going to do for you? LOL

What you describe - stutter when server is busy is not framerate related. Droping frames doesn't make the game stutter your still above refresh rate. Ive seen the stutter happen a few times, it was the server choking up like i said try to play "excessive plus" mod, shoot 50 grenades a second you will see the same stutter.

I cant explain why you get it so severely, maybe you are just super sensitive or something, yea no idea why, but my point is im pretty sure ive seen the stutter you describe. Its like framerate could be high it still stutters. Idk what else to tell you. Go buy another motherboard and come back here when it makes no difference lol. sorry

my gut feeling is the same, i played QL on xp3200 and 7950 gpu, and before that an 8800gpu. hardware specs aren't the issue here, maybe broken hardware as a possibility, or bad internet connection.

Well i tried 3 different pcs. but the game played differently on each one which suggests that at least part of the problem is not the code, the servers, the config or windows settings. 2 of them were using a core 2 duo and they played almost the same and had a lot of fps drops though the dell was getting even more fps drops. On the i5 i don't get fps drops as much but i still get it and somehow i even get more delay/input lag on that system..it all suggest that hardware defiantly makes a difference. Since some people say they are getting 250 stable and not experiencing the fps drops i get on the maps i mentioned then it's probably something to do with their hardware.

Maybe QL doesn't need faster cpu/gfx but it just needs a certain hardware combination for it to magically work..lol

About the stutter on servers, maybe that's not fps/hardware related. Let's say it's the servers that's causing it. but how come certain people seems to be shooting the same every game as if they're not effected by it. while i'm shooting well on one game and shit the other. People that i usually beat when i'm not lagging and can barley hit them when i'm lagging..what's causing this randomness in lag. Could it be my connection?..i have verizon fios 50/50 but my ping isn't stable. it fluctuates a lot during the day and even during the game..it goes from 45 up to 60 and up tp 80 on certain servers.

Could the ping fluctuating be the cause of this?..bad routing or bad router? i can't even change the router and buy my own when using fios..i also tried another isp at some point but didn't help much..was pretty much the same (maybe because i was using a cheap router). Other than that there's dsl which i can try. I heard dsl has more stable and lower pings but i doubt it will help. I also tried wtfast and the likes. They don't always help or seem to be doing much even when the ping is lower. Since i get this lag mostly online it's probably connection related. That's what i always thought but there's not much i can do to fix it. so i've been looking more to the hardware trying to find an answer.

and yes QL was different before certain updates. I believe it used to be smoother and didn't have the fps drop issues we have now but that still doesn't explain why some people are getting 250 fps stable and others aren't. It can't be the code and must be the hardware. Few people even mentioned that their problems were fixed once they upgraded their pcs.

http://www.esreality.com/post/2819483/ql-fps-...pid2821095
try not with ur cfg...

already tried different configs and default..

Yea i see what you are saying but its just hard for anybody who does not sit at your pc and see the problem to understand it when you describe it.

Since 250fps update Ive played on three motherboards, two cpu's (amd, intel) and two graphics cards. All were fine. The framerate gets a stutter in it on all those systems unless i use com_maxfps 126 (giving me 142 fps) at which point its about as smooth as before the 250fps update.

I tell others on server 126 makes it smooth and only ever two ppl agreed with me that it was better, others either are 250 stable or just arent sensitive enough to notice the difference or simply their hardware combination dosent suffer the same problem

Its strange really the only constant between the different hardware above is that im using 144hz screen but its weird that refresh rate is part of the problem but it seems to be.....

Its just I cant determine your issue, you are focused on the framerate drop being the problem when I think your problem is something else and you just have framedrops (like nearly everybody does) and have another underlying problem together with it.

Almost every1 who complains about framedrops seems to be on 144hz..... One guy I spoke to was sure he would fix it with more power, went and bought a i7 4770 and a 980ti or something, came back and was suprised it was still dropping frames,, well i told him so lol.

Its not very scientific for you to judge it by your aim also. Aim changes, server changes, amount of players change. I think everbody get that feeling where one moment every rail hits and 10 minutes later every rail seems to go straigh through and miss. This can change just as more players enter the server its pretty normal.

And fluctuatiing ping yea thats sure going to affect you. More so if its all over the place on netgraph rather than different from server to server. You do play with LAN cable right? CL_maxpackets 125 or 63?

I still say try and find an excessive plus server and get somebody to set a riduculous number of grenades per second and if it starts to seem the same kind of stutter but worse then its a good indication the netcode is somehow your problem. Ofcourse you need to do this in a online server for netcode to be an issue

yea i know but it's exactly what i've described..fps drops or feels like fps drops even when fps look stable which result in stuttering or delay, shot thrus and random shit like that.

I believe there are 2 different problems. one is the actual fps drops i get which isn't normal or ok since some people don't get fps drops at all. The second issue is online lag which might be for another reason (probably my fluctuating ping and bad routing)..but i'm trying to fix what i can. There's also noticeable delay/input lag on my i5 system. I've went back to my old gigabyte MB and the game feels more snappy even though i'm getting more fps drops on that system. So there's def. something wrong with my asus MB or i5 cpu

It's hard to tell how much the fps drop issue is effecting online play but i know it's effecting my offline play. and usually whenever i tweak it to eliminate the offline lag it also gets better online. so taking online out of the equation offline could def. run better and it should when i fix the fps drops.

I can't tell if using 126 fps to get 142 fps is really better. It seems more stable and less fps drops but not sure if it's smoother than using 250 because i can't get 250 stable..lol

I don't think everyone get the feeling of "one moment every rail hits and 10 minutes later every rail seems to go straigh through and miss". I know some people don't experience that because when i ask them they don't seem to know what i'm talking about. They say something like "there's no lag here". Also it's common sense when you're obviously outplaying someone and all a sudden you feel laggy and you're losing to them. Again i don't think that's normal or acceptable. It's enough to ruin the competitiveness in QL.

Well my ping does seem to fluctuate during the game on certain servers but i feel the problem is def. there even when i have a low stable ping like 45. fluctuating ping probably just make it even worse. I'm wired yea and maxpackets is locked at 125 now.

I'm not sure where to find that mod/server but will try and look for it.

i had one of those boards its shite. didnt get fps drops but the board itself became unstable after quite a short period of time for some reason.

which MB you talking about?..the asus p8z77-v pro?
which one do you have now?

yeah that one. got an asus X99-A/USB 3.1 atm.



imho its gonna be your gpu clock

i have the same microstuttering problem, and was trying to fix it for weeks to no avail. mine came up after i overclocked the cpu for the first time. after that, there was no going back.. i tried literally EVERYTHING (clean configs, different driver versions, registry driver settings, different graphic cards, psus, crts, lcds, bioses, millions of combinations of bios settings, downclocks, defaults, overclocks.. i mean everything) and the only thing that made a difference was exchanging the motherboard+cpu. of course, this is the only combo i have that is stable on such a high overclock, so now i've simply gotten used to the stuttering. :]

so your problem was fixed by getting a new MB+cpu..are you getting stable 250 fps and no microstuttering?..which MB+cpu did you get and using? and which one you used to have the problem with?

sorry, i missed your post. :\ anyways, i had a hp compaq 8200 elite (don't know the exact model of the mobo, something hp i guess) with a i7 2600 in it, then a gigabyte ga-z68ap-d3 with a celeron g1610, an asrock z87 extreme4 (i think) with a i7 4770 and a gigabyte ga-z77x-ud3h with a i7 3770k.

so.. the stuttering came after i overclocked the i7 3770k in ga-z77x-ud3h (it wasn't there before!), which overclocked did stable 250 fps. then i tried putting the cpu into the compaq, where there was no stuttering (!), but also couldn't overclock so no 250 fps.. in the other gigabyte board, there was stuttering even without overclocking and also had some issues overclocking. then i put the celeron into the ga-z77x-ud3h board, and there was no stuttering, lol. but also no 250 fps of course. there was still the i7 4770 on the asrock board, with no stuttering and it did (kinda) stable 250 fps, but couldn't overclock that one because of the cpu.

the graphic cards used were ati hd7870, r9 290 and r9 290x and psus were leadex super flower platinum and the compaq default one.

all in all, i think if you only play quake, you're best off getting the fastest i5/i7 you can afford, coupled with some solid motherboard, not overclock it, and make peace with the fact that that's as good as it gets. :]

i know the answer. say 3 times please and i will tell you. :-)

so i decided to try and do an experiment to figure out if the fps drops is more likely to be caused by a bad MB or the cpu..

I ordered a cheap Pentium D 950 Dual Core 3.4GHz processor from ebay that would fit in my old MB and compared it to the core 2 duo E8400 i have...well it turns out i was getting a lot more fps drops with the Pentium D and this kinda proves to me that the fps drops issue is most likely to be caused by the cpu not the MB and QL really just doesn't run properly with any pc or old hardware...it needs a faster processor to get a 250 stable that even my i5 3570k can't get..Also the same maps i mentioned i was getting fps drops on were getting even more fps drops with the Pentium D..in the 60-80 range

So overall i tried 4 different cpus and 3 different motherboards..the fps drops would increase with every slower cpu i had. It still couldn't get 250 even with the fastest cpu i had (the i5)..it's most likely not a MB issue but it's the CPU..if anyone disagree and still think QL (the current version not QL before steam) could or should run fine with an older processor please say something and tell me which hardware you are using that is getting you 250 stable.

In conclusion QL fps drops issue is most likely to be caused by the cpu..replacing the MB only probably won't help and i need to find the fastest single core performance processor that would get me 250 stable..i did some research and based on this the i7 4790k has the best score for single core performance and probably my best option

http://cpuboss.com/cpu/Intel-Core-i7-4790K

What do you think..do you agree or still think the fps drops has nothing to do with the hardware/cpu and is caused by something else? because really at this point the cpu is clearly the cause but i would like someone to prove me wrong

Been saying for years most people's FPS issues (if com_sleepidle is 0, and r_primities is 2, and not running at an insane resolution for your gpu) are caused by the fact that it's openGL 1, it runs shaders on the CPU not the GPU. Dropping to Vertex light mode reduces shader workload a bit, so that helps some people.

I'm surprised this thread's gotten this big without anyone else mentioning it.

Some people mentioned using vertexlight and i've already tried it..it helps a bit but not that much..i still get fps drops with vertexlight on

You say you have a crt, i assume it can run 120hz at some res, maybe 800 600 or 1024 768 if lucky. Please try with this low res and see how it feels with 120hz 250fps idlesleep 0 vertex 1. This imo will rule out hardware, especially if you play an easy to render map and keep adding bots to see if you notice any stutter happening.

I think the key here is to get the game running perfectly, then start to change things one by one to see what breaks it. The stutter and slow response feels like my QL when running in windowed mode lol.

not sure what you mean by "this will rule out hardware". I have been using 800x600 at 120 hz or 640x480 at 150hz mainly..but tried lots of other resolutions/refresh rates/fps combinations as well..the stutter has defiantly been there with these settings and the fps can still drop specially on the maps i mentioned. It doesn't drop that much on certain maps but even when it doesn't it just doesn't feel right.

I've noticed that on my i5 system there's more input lag/delay that is more annoying than my old pc that i get more fps drops on. On my old pc even though i get lots of fps drops and it's never stable at 250 (some maps can be stable at 142 but drops to 80-120 on the bad maps) the game just feels more snappy and there's less input lag..so at this point i would rather play on my old pc with more fps drops but less input lag..i feel like my i5 system is just hopeless because of the input lag i noticed and because it gets fps drops as well..maybe changing the MB could fix the input lag issue but not so sure if it's going to fix the fps drops as well..i'm probably gonna have to start looking into building a new system as i've had enough of how crappy the game has been running

What i meant was that even a pc from 10 years ago with agp can run QL at 250fps on a basic map with no bots, it's only when you add bots or select more demanding maps that the fps might drop. My suggestion was that you tested this way and added things until you found specifically what causes the fps drops.

My general point is your pc specs are high enough and I see no reason to be chasing down i7 processors to run QL, unless you intend to stream too ;)

Have you tested on a fresh windows install? Certainly with no antivirus or other background resource hungry processes/services running.

Yes i've tested QL on the old pc (core 2 duo) on a freshly installed windows. No antivirus or background processes..I did windows 7 updates and turned it off (also tried it first before doing updates..same thing), windows firewall, defender, etc all off

I could get 250 on some maps but as soon as i start adding bots i start getting the fps drops..after about adding 8-10 bots the fps is going crazy. On the good maps it could drop from 250 to 150 or even 100..on the bad maps it goes to like 80-120 range. I've tried this with different configs and always happen. Even though i get more fps drops on the core duo system there's less input lag and actually somewhat easier to shoot because it feels a bit more snappy for some reason.

On my i5 system fps doesn't drop as much but still drops on a lot of maps from 250 to like 180-230 and down to 100 on the bad maps..the fps stutter is noticeable but i realized it's the input lag/delay on that system that is really annoying. It's not huge but noticeable for me because i'm testing them both on a crt and can tell there's a slight difference in responsiveness. Once i go online both problems become even more noticeable by 2-3x specially with a ping in the 60-80 range. Add to that people also warping and have wacky hitboxes and the game just becomes very shitty overall.

Maybe my i5 specs are enough but at the end it still feels laggy probably because of that input lag/delay i noticed..but i have no clue how to fix that or what could be causing it..so for now i have to choose between playing with less fps and some input lag or less input lag and more fps drops..and both suck..lol

First up look here
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/701?vs=1260

Single threaded performance the 4790k is about 33% faster, if that, than your 3570k. I don't think that small jump in speed is going to solve all your problems.

But yes throwing more power at it may help reduce the problem. But take a step back and be serious here. 3570k is an insanely powerful cpu. This game was built for a pentium3 originally. 3570k is probably in the region of 20 - 40 times more powerful than that. and still does not cut it? Already said I met some1 who went this route, high end i7 and gtx980 didn't stop his frame drops.

Why not? because game code is basically broken. Netcode linked to fps and all that.

If memory served me correctly (hard to remember with all updates) I had less issues on a core2 than an x4 amd or i5 concerning frame drops....

I wish I could tell you how to fix problem but I don't know. Dont think your issue even comes from the framedrops personally.

IMO going from 3570 to 4790 wont fix it, and is going to be a rather expensive lesson for you to learn that.

Im sure this forum is full of core2duo users "claiming" 250 stable, half of them probably don't check it more that 5 seconds on some random map and conclude its always 250 but who knows.

Also do you run firefox? QL uses awsomium.exe and so does firefox. Could be some conflicts there. I would advise never have firefox open when you are testing QL. Id go as far as rebooting your pc if you even opened firefox since it was turned on.

33% faster increase is actually very good. It might not fix all my problems but my goal to replace the cpu would be to eliminate the fps drops and i think with a 33% increase that hopefully would do the trick. The other problem i have is some input lag and that might be because of the MB.

Well yea ideally the 3570k should be good enough for QL..but realistically it's not since i'm still getting lots of fps drops and it's rarely stable at 250 even with vertexlight on and the settings you guys suggested.

Maybe it's the netcode that's broken..but based on the experiments i did..hardware obviously matters. The faster the cpu the less fps drops i was getting. Since there's nothing i can do about the netcode, replacing hardware would be my only option to fix the fps drops.

I would love to see someone with a core 2 duo claiming they are getting 250 stable on all or most maps..in my opinion most people saying it should be running fine are referring to old QL before steam probably..
If someone has an i5 3570k or similar and you're getting stable 250 fps please also let me know..

Well maybe my main issue on the i5 is the input lag and not the fps drops but i still also get massive fps drops on the maps i mentioned..longest yard, corrosion, asylum, cliffside, warhouse (many more probably) all give me very noticeable fps drops that results in stuttery and jittery feeling

It just seems like the only way to get to the bottom of this is to get a faster cpu and new MB..i know it's not guaranteed to fix it but there's a high chance a faster cpu will fix the fps drop issue and a new MB could fix the input lag..i will take my time and won't rush it though

I use firefox yea..but i usually have it closed when playing. I'm also sure i've played without opening firefox and the problem was also there.

try this comands in autoexec

seta com_hunkMegs "256"
seta com_zoneMegs "64"
seta com_soundMegs "64"
seta com_idleSleep "0"

sry but that didn't help either

So I remembered something today that I haven't thought of for a few years now. When I first went from a core2duo to a x4 amd, QL would run really bad, low framerate I think it was I barely remember the specifics anymore. An update fixed this for me so I dont have issue anymore

At the time how I would fix this was press ctrl-alt-del and set the firefox.exe process to a single core (by setting affinity) and then it would be all good. This was back when QL ran though browser, So maybe you should try setting the quakelive.exe and maybe also awesomium_process.exe to single cpu core with affinity, you need to do it everytime you boot quake. See if that helps.

I just went to test this myself to see if it made any difference, but Im 250 stable so I cant test it.

Nobody playing in my country right now but I joined some 300ping servers as spectator and watched my fps for 10 mins but without the affinity setting

I tried a 3vs3 asylum and it sat most of the time solid 250 printed at top of screen. The most I saw was a flicker on the zero part of 250 looked like it was maybe going 249-250-249-250 but so fast I cant make out anything but 250

Tried then a 10 player game on the castle map got the same result.

Then tried a 8vs8 game on cliffside. The worst I got was one time spit second flicker I made out it said 235 but in for the rest of the 5 minutes I saw nothing but 250

My cpu is i5 760 (gen1 i5) so its a fair bit slower than your gen3 i5 and I have almost no drop except what I said above.

As for getting 4970 like I said 33% faster. You can probably overclock the 3570 and easily get a 20% boost with about 600mhz overclock so check that and probably it wont make a single difference but hopefully that affinity setting is something new you can try.

I've tried setting affinity to a single core and changing the priority to high in the past..tried it again today and it does nothing for me.

Thanks for the detailed info. Can you do me a favor and try warehouse and corrosion also with like 8 bots or a real server. Those are 2 of the most jittery maps. If you still get a 250 solid then i guess something wrong with my pc for sure since my processor should be faster.

Could it be just the MB that's causing this?..not the cpu?..but that doesn't explain why i'm getting a lot more fps drops with the core 2 duo with another MB and even more fps drops with an even slower cpu (the pentium D)..it seems to be cpu related not the MB..this is just confusing and frustrating..

I've tried OC the i5 from 3.4 to 4.2 ghz..you're right..i see no difference at all in fps..maybe the MB is just bad..don't know..i gave up on trying to figure it out..i need to upgrade my shit or replace it..no other way around it

I tried doom demo and it run very smooth...had no problem at all..everything else seems to run fine on this pc except ql it seems..sucks

Anyways, thanks again

Yea I noticed a long time ago that corrosion drops really bad. Especially if you stand on the generator/fan thing at the middle edge of the map and look across to the other side.

Tried it with 8 bots got around 130-200fps standing there. I noticed this a long time ago, ive previously had 4 other players standing up there with me and they all confirm they also drop.

Worst I can get on warehouse is about 220 at some spots.

This is pretty much why I cap my fps, Id use 125 but it jitters so I use 126 gets 142 and i rarely notice any drops like that.

I just consider these maps partly broken, they rarely get played. Others have called it "badly optimized maps"

IDK what you will take from the above. To me it says those maps are broken, the game is slightly broken but those maps make it worse. I don't think a cpu is invented yet that wont drop there and its ridiculous really that this game could need anymore than the most low end core2duo if even that.

Nothing is wrong with any of your hardware imo, something just wrong with this game. You wont get this issue like you say on any modern game you would get about expected performance such as doom or battlefield will run fine, nothing wrong with your hardware.

Personally I wouldn't spend any money upgrading to get a broken game to hold 250 fps, it just wont do it. Just work on what you can to get it most stable with what you have its not going to get any better than that on faster hardware you already have close to fastest cpu available.

Alright, well thanks. I guess you're right. It's not really worth it to upgrade the whole system atm just to play a broken game..lol

I can get the game to at least be somewhat stable at 142 fps on most maps but I need to figure out how to reduce the input lag that i notice. I tried using very low res (640x480) on the 144 LCD monitor i had and i defiantly noticed less input lag. But of course using a nice monitor to play on this res looks bad and sucks. Why is there more input lag using the default 1920x1080? and how can i get i get the game to play without input lag at higher resolution?

I also do notice input lag even on my crt specially with higher refresh rates. Using 60 or 75hz is noticeably faster. I'm still not sure if that's normal..input lag is less with lower refresh rates on a crt or it should be the same with refresh rate like 120 or more?

Something really annoying i noticed and i'm not the only one that noticed this. but ql usually runs fine in warmup but after i f3 the game tends to lag more and everything becomes delayed. Any explanation for this? i know i'm not imagining this..it happened too many times and some of my friends noticed it too.

I cant say i notice any lag using 144hz at 1080, not that ive compared it to 640x480

Im fairly sensitive to screen lag I had to use a CRT before I got the 144hz because I would feel the lag on any junky LCD

640 might be faster as it simply is drawing less so can get the frame done faster but I would guess that only applies to a CRT more than a LCD hence why you can get higher refresh rates at lower res. The 144hz is getting 1080p frames drawn 144 times a second it shouldn't struggle with it.

Id just check you have the LCD set to instant/game mode idk what it has if its not a benq. If Nvidia card make sure its vsync off, pre-rendered frames = 1, single display performance mode. Quake should be on vertex lighting but you can still find the setting to have vertex and light source from lg and rl at the same time.

Im sure you would have those settings already, not anything else i can think of sorry.

I have one of those korean monitors..not the IPS..it's an lcd with144hz that i can OC..i'm not sure how it compares to the asus or the benq..but comparing it to the crt i still do notice some input lag unless i use low res. It doesn't actually have any options and it's DVI input only which was supposed to give me lower input lag.
I think the monitor is good. It's just that ql is such a fast game and i can still notice it.
I can even notice input lag on the crt i have with higher refresh rates but looking to replace it because don't think that's normal

I have those Nvidia settings but not sure what you mean by "Quake should be on vertex lighting but you can still find the setting to have vertex and light source from lg and rl at the same time"

Sorry its just Vertex lighting + Dynamic light = on at the same time, Rockets still light up the passageways. LG isn't lighting up anymore maybe that was another setting...

Not sure how you notice lag on a CRT. Of course there is always some delay with any computer game and controllers its impossible to be instant. So yea CRT has lag but compared to what? Nothing lags less than CRT hence why ppl say CRT has no lag.

I understand what you are saying about lower res tho, I have noticed lower res feels faster in other games, even when it doesn't increase framerate.

The 144hz should be good enough, yea it probably still lags more than a CRT but it wasn't so bad like other LCD that i couldn't stand it within the first 30 seconds, I was just happy to get that massive CRT off my desk. If It was still sitting it side by side with a CRT I might notice but you get over it after awhile.

alright, cool. well about the crt lag i notice it more with higher refresh rates. Using 60hz or 75 is def faster than 120hz or more as far as input lag but of course it's more stuttery, just feels more responsive. I can basically play better with 75hz when using most weapons except rails it becomes hard to aim and i play insta mostly..so that's the kind of input lag i'm talking about. It's noticeable when i'm using 120 hz or more on the crt. I don't remember this being the case with the older crts i had and i'm wondering if the crt i have is bad or something or maybe that's normal...there's more input lag with higher refresh rates?

I also don't notice any lag playing other games with the crt or the lcd. I feel like ql maybe is just too fast or something but i'm sure there's input lag. When i'm railing if i aim and shoot it's like as soon as i click i feel like the target has moved from where i clicked. This is kinda subtle but enough to screw with my rails. I don't remember this happening when i used to play q3a. Rails felt more accurate and instant and flick shots were much easier.

I feel like the 144hz monitor i have is pretty good yea..except for ql. There's def some input lag on it and i really did want to finally get rid of the crt but i still can tell there is noticeable difference and it's annoying. Maybe the benq or asus are better though..not sure

"there's more input lag with higher refresh rates?"

No that doesn't make sense. The faster you refresh the more accurate data on your screen is going to be. Concerning input lag in general what you're seeing on your screen has already happened. This is most noticeable when playing QL on the average TV. If you feel that you play better using 75Hz then why don't you stick with 75Hz? CRTs aren't better than LCDs because of high refresh rates. Practically any CRT @ 60Hz is going to be more responsive than ~99% of LCDs. These "gaming" LCDs are still in their infancy and while the 120Hz and 144Hz varieties are typically much better than their older 60Hz brothers they aren't quite where they need to be. Exception being lightboost maybe. I have not used it and don't know a lot about it. If it really does eliminate motion blur then that is definitely something you want to have in the absence of a CRT.

well i was concerned that the game doesn't feel as responsive on 120+hz using the CRT when it should. It feels better at 75hz..but i'm planning to replace my crt monitor when i find a good one. As for the LCD, you're right it really still can't compare to the crt not just because of the input lag but it's also not as smooth as the crt because motion blur/ghosting or whatever you wanna call it.

Anyways, i've gone back to the original oreoz cfg and modified it only slightly. tried to leave the graphic settings as they are without messing with them. It looks a bit bright which i don't like but i can shoot better with this cfg. I still can't figure out why with this cfg the mouse feels more responsive than 99% of the other cfgs i tried. but whatever i'm gonna stick to it.

Did you find the solution to the problem? Did a more powerful CPU help?

“ql has no input lag” cope thread xD