krass

i can understand why unkind didnt play =p

doesn't mather right now

now the NA division matches have started

nice bs demo here

Haha so sad 2 c the russians getting owned online when we all know fox wouldnt stand a chance what so ever on LAN vs Cooller :(

But what the hell,we all know the russians would own this tourney if it was on LAN :)

OMG ,, we all know Fox and Z4mus owns anyone on Ztn any day of the week.
If you know anything about Swedish player U know Fox will wins this tournament with ease :P

heh and what do you base that on? :) to be honest i think i play 20 times better on lan than online. but whatever. you're clueless :D

cooller suggested the server btw ;/

furry muff if you play 20 times better on lan then I guess cooller plays er...ah...welllllll (-28) times better ?

Perhaps not. Cooller wouldn't have stood a chance against fox anywhere today.

(I don't rate Cooller much at dueling compared to uNkind anyway, look at uNkinds ztn performances at WCG, unbelievable.)

Coller had above 51 ping and that do matters a lot, anyway fox played very nice, im not so sure what would happen on LAN.

nice ownage demo!
wp fox! =)
(of course ping matters! )

OMG ,, we all know Fox and Z4mus owns anyone on Ztn, anyday of the week.
If you know anything about Swedish player U know Fox will wins this tournament with ease :P
/Tiny

just perfect! wp fox (n1)

Haha Cooller ownz Zero4 on lan and loses 2 fox online with 27- -1 plz just accept the fact that fox would get owned vs Cooller on LAN.

what does zero4 have to do with anything? maybe i'd "own" him too? :)

lol u know it as well as any1 else fox.Cooller on LAN is leathal compared to Cooller online.Saying u would beat him on lan is like saying that u´ll beat Rat online in the promode tourney.Thats just not gonna happen wheater u want ot or not.

Swedish ownage online,Russian ownage on LAN.Thats just a basic fact that every quaker knows that pays the quake community any attention at all.

if you didnt know, gaywcg didnt send any players from sweden to wcg, so you really dont know for sure now do you? sweden pretty much owns it up on lan when its tdm, so claiming we cant play on lan is pretty sto0pid.

fox i take it back, this was not bs. I AM YOUR NEW FANBOY GOOOOOOOO FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well I think Cooller is a much better DUELLER than fox, but I haven't seen the demo yet (I've got some problems with downloading it :( ).
If Cooller got owned @ ztn, he didn't show even 50% of his abilitys. Everyone knows that russians are the best @ ztn.
To be honest, I haven't seen a single duel demo with fox. I'm his fan - I love to watch his tdm demos (some nice railing, shafting and... thinking) but he said in one interview that in duel his "all aim". Well, I saw one gopher's duel demo on ztn and I just really don't want to see another one, because I'm afraid gopher would loose something in my eyes (I also think he's one of the greaters tdmers, just incredible rail and overal skills, he's able to hold a crucial position alone for a really long period of time).
Don't get me wrong, I'm kinda sure that gopher would own me in a duel (mainly due to his enormous firepower), so would ofkz fox do ;D.
Hell, what am I talking about? I dunno myself ;p. I better do something to download this damn demo.

/shr.pl

If Cooller got owned @ ztn, he didn't show even 50% of his abilitys. Everyone knows that russians are the best @ ztn

Do You know what are You saying?

Things can change, you know.

It seems cooller hasnt been playing while fox has and saying cooller would own him on lan is bs
he just got owned online by alot. if he was so good hed at least be close but this was rape
And cooller doesnt "own" zero4 on lan
they just played 1 map at wcg and it wasnt ownage it was a close game
+ z4 would destroy everyone in t4

cooller did own zero4 on wcg (t2), you obviously didn't watch the demo and just saw the scores and made that statement.

No he did not, idiot. Q3 is not a game of static happenings, moron. A game can change from a blowout to a close contest becuse of the dynamic nature of the game. Get a clue, ****** ************* ********* ****.

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA. lol. that made my day

dude..lol

so u really think u stand a chance vs Cooller on lan ? ok..
then you ll prolly get the same Line like if22 did on Lan vs cooller when if22 got owned by Cooller on lan it went like this " Sorry this is no internet." =)
/redemz on bro login

this was for fox .

heh. =/

I'm not sure about it.

Would win with ease? Seriously doubt it.
fox would give Cooller a daaamn good run for his money.

Your psuedo-quake-community knowledge is so pseduo.

lol !

and bro fs stop using my login!

Your psuuido ability to spell the word 'psoodo' is so suodoe.

WELL SPOTTED, A MEDAL FOR YOU GOOD SIR!

U played great,props 2 u for that but on LAN cooller woulda won easy.

i dont think you are swedish..

me neither

He's a russian infiltrator, dumbass

What are you whining about? It was equal for both. Fox is one of the best q3dueler there is so STOP YOUR FUCKING CRYING.

did You thought that he is the best before the match?

I never said he is the best. I said one of the best.

well, I never knew that he even played 1vs1

and how much do YOU know?

very much, You don't even want to know

Don't think so. Fox is in great condition.

I wonder how many times you are going to repeat yourself.

hehe i dont think that too fazz :]

and men if cooller is tha ruler can u explain me why he not won the wcg or made it to the top 3 or so?
he lost 3 maps at wcg i think he is beatable or ? =)
fox played a amazing game or better sayied amazing games today thats a fact men...hes aim is the most effective and it looks he play very calm and relaxed thats n1 :)
hope to see great matches like today in the rest of the tournament...

Arguing over internet match is so dumb, the conditions are never even. I also think cooller would win on lan but that's irrelevant. You can't draw any conclusions about player's skills based on internet tournament, that's why there isn't money prizes in these kind of tournaments. This tournament is about fun and about seeing some great games and i suggest you take this tournament this way and save the "X OWNZ Y" shit for lan tournaments.

TRUE

+

fox u played great, but do u rly think cooller was playing seriously? :D look @ that lame moves, can u imagine his class-player will atack u with 125 % machinegun against your 200/200? or wth 100 and GL against your 100/200 and all devices?:D
but i love ur rjumping and RL technics :D

he probably gave up after 10-0 or so. up to that i suppose he played seriously :)

//"1on1 noob"

i guess fox doesnt remember Benn1(zyz) from swe-ger online as he bounced fox round the map :p

Im sure he remember the outcome of the whole game too..

the thing is that Fox playes better then i ever saw him do... amazing aim the latest demos, he's really good. I think we have a new champ, i just hope he got the nerves to play at his best when he meets the top 10.

Face some facts.
Fox is a good player but have NEVER FUCKING EVER had a chance in a big LAN tournament.
Cooller however has done pretty well in Lan Tournaments against the best.

How many lan tournaments has fox attended? Well, No 1on1-tournaments that I know of, but he has done great on TDM-tournaments in the past. You can say he'd lose because he hasnt had a chance to show what he's made of. Personally I think fox would beat him easily on lan also.

he attended dreamhack :) (and won ofc)

Hi! get a clue!

Face some facts.
Fox is a good player but have NEVER FUCKING EVER had a chance in a big LAN tournament.

These are no facts - these are you allegations.

U absolutely right, fox is very strong nowdays...

indeed he is

I see a lot of comments on "who would own who" on LAN internet or whatever. Well, it always happends when something happend that the "public" didn't think would happen (:P). Great game by fox though.

I remember watching fox land like 7-8 rails in a row on LAN (cpl oslo) so plz don't keep talking shit about him like he's nobody.

-Thorin

fox is a great player with impressive aim and good tactics, i think he will win this tourney.
and hes 10x better on lan.. oh and yeah cooller would get owned on lan also :>
GG

my point exactly -_- fox si teh crack -_-

lol

Fact: Fox is a very very good player. He's definitely world class. I hope you all keep underestimating him, including the other duelers in this tourney, then he'll beat you all the more easy :P

Fact: There are 30 other guys that are world class too. A bad day for someone is enough to put him out of the top 3. So don't be giving cooller a hard time coz he didn't win the wcg. If unkind had met him on t2 he'd have lost.

Fact: THIS time Swedes are allowed to compete. We had a single Swede at the Quakecon, 0 at the WCG due to sponsors.

Fact: Swedes owned the cyberfight invite online tourney.

Fact: Shafting etc with 51 ping is insanely different from 31 ping. Of COURSE cooller couldn't perform his best. But saying fox is "all ping" well, just watch the f00king demo...

I'm impressed by how strong a gaming nation russia is, considering internet connections and affording gaming hardware.

But personally, I think we will have two Swedes on the podium.

amen

actually most of these 'facts' aren't facts. yayaya.

FACT: shafting with ping 31 or ping 51 in cpma is no different. :) Play more cpma guys!

(Feels good to say that in a vq3 thread ;))

its just cooller running into fight and traps he definitely knew he won't survive.

he either totally underestimated fox (great aim, almost no flaws here) or he was just unmotivated/on drugs/getting humped/<insert 1337 activity that makes you fragbait here>

agreed. internet or not cooller didnt play too bright, and a smart player like fox will take advantage of dumbass moves.

fox owns !

lol @ most of u.Jag är svensk förresten för er som inte tror det.Cooller OWNED Zero4 @ WCG,the only reason Zero4 even got close was becuz Cooller stoped playing.When he tried Zero4 hardly got an armour.

On LAN fox wouldnt stand a chance what so ever and thats a FACT.Prozac is the best TDM:er out there and hes really good @ 1v1 but despite of that he has never been able to crack the top 3 @ a lan.

Fox vs Cooller on LAN = EASY win 4 Cooller and the poor thing about it is that Fox who knows he would get owned on LAN cant admit it.Cooller has proven himself on LAN while Fox has never attended a high quality 1v1 duel LAN.

Sweden owned Cyberfight Online Invitational? ROFL

Just face the facts all u n00bs out there,Cooller is a WAAAAAAAAAAAY better dueller then Fox will ever be.
No BS just the truth.

hey fag, im a tdm-player.

Yes u r,thats y u should be able to accept the fact that u only won due 2 ping cuz Cooller is a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better dueller then u r.

Over and out.

You seem awfully jealous. Have you even read the crap you posted here? You know zilch about fox's ability or lack thereof as a 1on1 lan player, so please can it.

Stop bitching, cooller lost big time, stop crying about it and take it like a man. Its not even YOU that lost. Cooller lost, not you, so why are you so obsessed with this? I bet you saw your idol cooller get whopped on his fave map (ZTN is his fave right?) by a casual TDM player :).
You better come up with a better argument than "my idol is SOOOOOOOOO much better on LAN", when the opponent will be better too.
Oh wtf, haha why am I replying to this guy?

why do you bother answering?

FOXEH SI TEH BESTEST TEAMPLAYER and also teh sexeh hoena with teh hoenmove2k

that's not facts. stop being stupid.

you is teh scene ownz0r!!!1

Do you even know what a fact is?
Your lack of knowledge makes all your arguing loose its weight.
Besides, just because a player hasn't attended any tourney doesn't make him any worse? He must posess the same amount of skill with or w/out any paper on it.
Saying anything else is just silly... but then again
"Cooller is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than fox, and that's a fact" is an argument born from a very wise person, as the argument itself.

Min bil går snabbare än din.

/hunn

Give it up, stop flaming and hail to the master: fox!

and Fox,Prozac or Zero4´s skillz have nothing 2 do with u.it acknowledges Coollers skillz.He OWNED prolly the greatest 1v1 dueller ever in the history of Quake 3 arena which is something u have never done on LAN.

Accept the fact that Cooller is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better then u r.u only won due 2 the ping.Cooller vs Fox on LAN prolly = reverse figures -1 - 27 Coollers favour....

hehe i love irony :)
cause if you are not being ironic then you are fucking retarded

I think he is coollers bitch.

wtf is wrong with you? go away plz.

Man , stop bitching or u got to much dick lately.
Go back do your bfs laundry or something and tell him to not let you embarass him no more bitch.

fox beat him fair and square what's with all this bs talk?
He's a great player, get over it

why bother talking about cooller doing well in the past
its not like fox cant improve and cooller cant get worse
so you think cooller used to be better than fox, now fox is better than cooller
this is NOW not THEN
if you cant adapt to a few extra ms of ping when not playing on lan then youre a sad player indeed, it shouldnt change your map strat and you shouldnt lose by such a huge margin if youre truly 'better'...

I'm not saying fox is a better dueller than cooller but you sure got a point there..

what was the score again? :x

oh my god ! ... owned

I think that the difference between TDM and VS is tactical. Fox is the best TDMer today for many reasons (skillz...). If his timing and vs tactis are good, why cant he be one of the best duelers? I think on lan the score would be 20 - 10 or so (fox win).

Akiles_ES fan :>

i don't get it ...

fox was using MindFX!

hehehe :D

cut the bull guys... fox played one of the most impressive games i've ever seen on ztn. insane aim( prolly because of all the tdms :P ) and of course the ping did help.. cooller didn't play err... smart.. the second frag itself, he rushed with a mg.... saying that, this game dosen't make cooller any less of a player than he is..

and really guys, shouldn't we stop the bitching about the outcome of a lan game based on this ... 1 game, online or otherwise dosen't prove shit.
i would love to watch them lan sometime, whichever way it goes, the games' gonna own.... :)

Some people here are obviously complete idiots and haven't learned anything over the years of Quake 3 history.
I have stopped counting how many times people have said that this or that guy will beat the best then he goes to a big LAN Tournament and gets owned by someone who isn't even in the top 50.
I have seen it happen many times.
Many players who are pretty good doesn't make it when it is really important.
Sitting at home in your favorite chair and your favorite environment is something totally different then a big LAN with the best players in the world.
It seems as some players has what it takes at those LANs and some others don't no matter how good they played at home over the net.
Cooller have several times proven that he can beat the best in those big LAN tournaments.
Fox on the other hand is Mr Nobody until he has proven anything else.

Damn straight.Cooller > Fox anyday on LAN.

True... heck, even I who is a complete noob has played equal against cooller online once, does that mean I'm as good as he is? Fuck no cause one game online doesn't prove a shite. Would end up being assraped on LAN for sure.

One thing though, fox was a modemplayer for a very long time, which means if he was about to play Q3 (1on1) it sure would be on LAN and LAN tourneys. So saying that fox doesn't have any LAN experience is bs tbh. He's been doing very well in many swedish LANs against some of the best players in sweden, not to mention qualifies for wcg too with guys like prozac participating.

gg fox and cooller

whoa .. fox is not Mr.Nobody

hmm is this a jealousy thing or what? :)
after watching that amazing demo I can't see how anyone can put down fox
lol @ Mr.Nobody..
soon you will come to your senses

seeing that this match was the biggest upset of this tournament i took time and watch it a few times...

A. Fox is a very good player

B. Cooller is a very good player

this means match cannot be 27 - -1 .... i might be wrong but from the begging cooller did not take the game seriously... running out getting fragged... his rail was ok, his rl was pathetic and more like amateurish... even a much worse played on this tournament would out in more quality shots.. another thing cooller kept runing into fights wif pg and lg... but obvously having rl and not using it makes no sense (somtimes even pulling out mg) :/

Now ofcourse i might be wrong on every aspect, seeing that fox is a very good player wif a monster rail and rl... map control rox0r... al in all WP fox in any case, i personally would have like to have seen a closer game !! dont u guys agree ? :/

hm tbh

fox has been playng the best q3 i ever seen laterly, if this was LAN still sure fox would of won tbh, there isnt 'much' of a difference between 30 and 50ping. there both very playable pings.

now stfu russian fan boys.


fox to win \o/

[FACT] no-one can say who is better on LAN until they play in LAN [/FACT]

Those things about "if A owns B and B owns C, then A owns C" are pointless in my opinion.

Who's this guy called 'A'? He sounds really good!!

=))

OMFG, A IS SHITEEEE. C OWNZ0RZ HIM ANYDAAY. FUX J00. JOO KNOW NUFFIN!

it doenst matter what would happen on LAN, this is an online tourney and fox just owned this game.

good game wp fox ;)

Some people here don't seem to understand anything.
Sure Fox is a good player but i have seen many guys that is in the top 500 do some incredible games sometimes.
Does this means they will end up in the top 10 when you bring all the best together?
It is impossible to tell how good Fox is by just watching one single demo or even 10 of his demos as long as the games is not played in a very important LAN tournament with the best.
Until he have entered such a tournament and done well he is Mr Nobody.That's a fact.
Cooller however have done pretty good in many of those LAn tournaments against the best.
He has proven that he is something.Fox hasn't.

What you people must remember is that even the top players such as Zero 4 loses less important games online but when it really means something in one of the big tournaments you can be sure they are at top 10 almost every time.
Fox is a good player but can he be up there with the best when it really means something?
I doubt it.
Fox isn't even the best Swedish Quake 3 duel player.
We must also remember that it was years ago ANY Swedish Quake 3 duel player did very well in a Quake 3 duel tournament with the best.
I am Swedish myself and we sure have some good duel players but they always seem to fail in those important tournaments.
Remember Lakerman.Always numer 2 or 3.

[g0d]Ms.X you really don't know shit.

hmm
touchy subject it seems
but this isn't a LAN thing it's an online tourney
it wasn't just one game he played well in...d/l any of his demos heh

i can't really argue with most of that, but part of being a good dueler is performing under pressure.

i_perfect stop wearing the swedish flag and stfu, i dont doubt fox could win wcg/cpl a sec IF he put some time into 1on1. wp fox

He's f**kicing good, end of discussion.

I understand now why unkind kokokoko:)) (j/k)

OH MY GOD ! ! !

When, If, Maybe....

Fox has won this game, Coller´s lost... so what?!
IT´S JUST A FUCKING GAME!!!

Don´t you have anything else to do than writing unproofable comments about how this game would have ended on LAN?!
Just speculations.

Day´s before Quakecon 2002 everyone said ZeRo4 would beat the shit out of Fat if they play against each other, and what happend? The opposite...
That´s life, full of supprises...

Dont take this to serious Fox, they are just jealous.
You´r a good guy.

i_perfect: Get some brain poor little man. I hope there are not too much like you out "there"... My prayers are with you!

Face the facts:
Cooller was distracted, because his mom called for dinner through the entire match.

And seriously, fox vs. cooller on LAN -> fox is owned

What was it for dinner?

/me tries to make some joke about foxes

Humble pie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh ffs.........

mad respect

entertaining demo
near the start anyway ;)


<3 fox

Ok guys, stop it now you are eithing sucking up to coller or to fox. I admit both these players are skilled, and if you say coller will own fox on lan, in what way does ping affect the majority of decsisons?

Both players are good, both players have good and bad games/days and both players as we all know, knew this is an online tourney and know for a fact the ping is gonna be dodgy from time to time, so if it bothers them why play? For the fun of it thats why.

Now stop bitching, maybe cooller had a bad game, and fox was in a good state, but it dont matter. What you say will do nothing what you think will do nothing, cooller lost, fox won end of story.

Also if this was the final, and fox won ALL games with ease then got owned by cooller you would do the same thing, hence 99% dont see the way this works are glory supporters, why u want coller to win? cus he been to lots of big lans and wcg, hence if this was fox you would be saying the same to cooller, just a load of bullshit.

- My two cents

Not to take anything away from fox... he played great... but cooller seemed to have done a lot of un-cooller like things. Must have had a hoe under the table ala SwordFish or something like that ;)

haha

hahah look at these little russian trolls who can't take a beating like a man. cooler would do this would do that... blah blah blah. he is owned so fucking badly by Fox. End of fucking discussion. Now go to your beds, drink your milk and cry to your moms.

PS: Cooler might be the wcg champion. So fucking what. So was fatality, zero4 etc once.

I think it's unkind that is the WCG champion.

You sure?..i thought it was cooler...

uh yea it's not hard to remember who won the gold medal :). Anyway don't you remember the irony of socrates beating cooller after all the losing to logan and knocking z4 out stuff?

yeh :), i remember torbull going around with a sheet of paper petitioning to get Cooler thrown out of the tournament....

It did kinda piss the Americans off a bit when Cooler threw that game. Socrates then restored there pride a little though.

lol, that situation was laughable

it's somehow much cooler that it unkind is the defending champion, while it's somehow unkind to state that cooller was.. one might add, if otherwise bored....

I didnt see a single russian post in this thread, except me.

i accept you

rejected.

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i'm joking, i love you, [+] me. or don't, i don't really care.

<3 <3 <3 MOOOOOO!!! <3 <3 <3 <3

fox > world.

i hadnt time to read thru all your posts. but all I wanna say is that for example EVEN one rail that didn't hit cause of the high ping for cooller had a BIG influence!

not on ztn

on any map

fox played very impressive
cooller had a bad day.
cooller could own fox on LAN.
fox could own cooller on LAN.

nuff said.

agreed, GG.

It's funny, if you look on Cyberfight at the comments the Russians make on this demo they are very pro-fox none of this cooler > fox on lan.

GG Fox, I knew you would own.
Cooler is far from out :)

test read cyberfight.ru demo section then :D

i_perfect blaaa cmd

could somebody tell me if Cooller's out of champ already?If he isnt,then we can wait and see how he perfoms

I think this is going to come down to just like before with if22 and cooller. Playing on the internet vs Lan is very different. I personally give props to fox for being able to control cooller like that online but in my opinion he would get owned (overstatement) by cooller on a lan duel. aside from that, people saying cooller isn't _that_ good because of his placing on wcg is pretty stupid.

If i vote > i vote for cooller :)

i_perfect is funny

muhahahhahahahahahahaha

fox own (almost) anyone on ztn... congratulation... one of bigger game that I have ever seen in this map.
WoW -.- this' amazing :)

ByEz

UpDaTe: yo, there're other ztners that play very well on this map, but this fox's demo, that I watched few days ago, was one of the most beautiful game that I ever seen here. Other players, like if22, cooller (!), uNkind, ecc play very well on ztn, but fox plays better than all the others... maybe only if22 play well like he (without to speak about the players who don't play more).

This is a stoopid post... he hasnt played everybody :/...

*HIGLIGHTING A FEW GOOD ZTNERS* b100.death, unkind, akiles :/... owning anyone on one map is a big feat !! think b4 blurting out stupidity next time !!!

fox likes skeggbief, even shaved ones.

iooee...

Just watched this demo. Surprised a supposedly 'leet' player like cooller could get beaten so badly. So perhaps he didn't 'try' to win due to ping disadvantage, which I think is a shame, as I think you should always try your hardest. I am sure it could've been a closer game. Anyway, very unsportsmanlike behaviour not moving for 2mins at the end :(.

Also like to draw everyones attention to cooller attemped RJ to RA at 8:40. Like, I would be angry at myself if I fucked that up, and I'm a noob. Cooller must've been kicking himself ;\.

He had 999, he probably just shut down his computer.

Hmmm, didn't notice that...

Some people, or at least one posting under different aliases keeps saying how this and that fellow would own fox on lan. But what does it matter? It wasn't lan now, nor is it lan very often when you play. Sure it's a bit different when you play on lan, but you are still the same player, still the same moves, only thing that really changes is your aim a tad bit. Yes, it may be easier to play from home since you are more comfortable, but doesn't that help cooller as well?

My point is, don't try to take the victory away from fox, he did indeed play a great game. There is always a reason for one player losing and another winning, but people tend to debate those reasons far too much. Just sit back and enjoy the demos instead. GG

well times changes prahaps? the ping was fair coller about 45 och Fox 35 no big difference...so stop whineing, Cooler just got owned Fox was the better (muuuuuchh better) player that day maybe Cooller will win the final but even though Fox has showed to the world that he's one of the best.
get over it ffs

Rule number 1 of being a brilliant online player: Never reply to demo comments or forum comments, in fact never write anything. Thresh, Lakerman, Fat, Zero4, Cooller. Its the best policy really.

you got it all wrong,
Rule number 1 of being a brilliant online player:
winning online

I want to have fox's baby

the russian lost

oh please, cooller won the WCG russia, that is an amazing feat since russia itself has the most number of top players. USA has 3 decent players, europe has about 10-20, russia easily has 50+. That says enough, wtf is fox a tdm player, please you cant challenge a dueler like fox. He did happen to play well that game, but cooller did play like a retard, i mean after 5-0 he was still charging and playing stupid. I don't rate this victory as amazing at all. Fox you may play 10 times better on lan or what not, but cooller would play 100 times better, you may give him a challenge but if you each play your best your going to lose boy. and thats a fact. and unkind would rape you anyday on ztn :P

Btw, considering that WCG q3 event was duel, what does it matter the amount of players that are supposedly good if only the best can attend the final tourney? Oh yes, you're merely trying to use a fallacy in hopes of supporting your ridiculous prediction of fox losing each time to those russians.

How can you suppose Unkind will win each time a fact? Are you some kind of fucking mage?

Fox you may play 10 times better on lan or what not, but cooller would play 100 times better, you may give him a challenge but if you each play your best your going to lose boy. and thats a fact. and unkind would rape you anyday on ztn :P

Why don't you just take your magic crystal ball and shove it up your ass. I'm pretty sure it will do more good for you there =)

OK, lets break this down.

Cooller got owned.

Why?

1> Maybe he had a bad start and gave up after a couple of minutes?

2> Maybe his connection was playing up (it's not just about 'ping' you know..)?

3> Maybe Fox is emerging as a really really top dueller?

4> Maybe Cooller was just having a bad quake day?

Whatever the answer does it really matter? It's a fun internet game. No prizes and different conditions for both players.

My own take on the game is that Fox is an intelligent player with a very smooth style and amazing aim. Did he impress me THAT much though? No, not really.. it seemed to me that something was wrong with Cooller.

Also I did notice on more than one occasion, Cooller spamming plasma at close range into Fox and Fox taking almost NO damage at all. A bit strange that but thats the internet for you.

Anyway no doubt Fox is one to watch for the future.

I look forward to seeing him duel on LAN.

Great aim Fox and wp/ score means nuff/ cool play like stupid bot/ but it is I-net=}
What if?
hehehhehhehehe
this thread to be continued 7-8-9 March i guess
=}

Why does everyone think fox is new duel player who was lucky? Fox has been a great dueler for a long time and even won some LAN-tournaments. There are/were demos here showing the finals from probably over a year ago where he displayed great aim and tactics.

I know pracs don't say much but fox owned the russians online (he might have lost too, but not when I was speccing) when they were praccing for wcg-finals with a ping disadvantage.

Fox has a cool, original style which seems to be really effective. I hope he wins the whole tournament, either he or some upset, but there are no real possibility of an upset left.

Fox is very hot in q3 now, maybe because he played all day long and nuttin else.. even if he cant realise it himself.

And that ping difference I thnink speak for itself.. the next ESo day cooller played with stable 30 ping and now he´s in the wb final..

So I´m not saying cooller would own fox on equal conditions but this match doesnt say too much..

omg what a big pile of BS comment :f

germany owns´z, even though stelam slinger kane etc are inactive:p with a sweden ping, germany would be much better...

If they would once agree playing on a server outside germany...

hahaha, owned :D

Oooh, come on people, did u watch the demo? Then did u watch Cooller-Fazz demos from Fazz POV? Can u make a difference? There was a moment on pro-t4 when Cooller mg killed Fazz who tried to hit him with rockets in close combat (by the rail). So if u dont know Cooller has one of the best (if not the best strafe skillz in kombat). What about his lg? He hit ~30% vs Fazz on pro-q3dm6.
Now lets take a look on Fox-Cooller match. The "great" control of Fox ended in the 3. minute, when he was running with 13 health and cooller shoot at him with mg, but cant hit him. Why? Because Cooller cant mg? Then Fox continued to hide till they meet in the pg room with lg, result 7:0, Fox is ~60/60, which is equal to 90/0, and Cooller cant kill him with lg, but got killed by Fox.
I can just laugh at this, and i dont want to be on Coollers place at this moment, because that just not gonna be happen on equal conditions.
And dont look too much on what quake show us for ping, because every online player with experience knows, that u can have 30-40 ping and still hit sh*t.
And Fox got beaten on ztn by Zamuz, or im mistaken?

//-k4-CTPAX- from Bulgaria, 34 years old, hardcore q3 player, icq#17382191

P.S. Fox is a very good player, nothing against him, but im pretty sure that he also knows, that he cant own Cooller, not on ztn, he may take a game from him from 5, on a good day, but nothing more...

oops, a little mistake, ~60/60 = 120/0 of course

hey nice demo :]

Both fox and cooller sucks, EOD.

fox and Ñooller will be playing the Winner brackets final in the weekend of 7, 8 and 9 march. Why dont you just stop your whining and wait untill the next few games are played????....where without a doubt fox will own coolers ass once again. Fox is teh shiznit!!

and stop with the ping crap just watch a few eurocup demos from MurK :p 70-90ms all the time and we still teared some shit up!!!!

yea, but that's because you don't know better. It's like Donald Duck running out a cliff. He can keep running as long he's not looking down. Once you realise 70ms sucks you'll get owned like the rest of us.

they play within iceland on 10-20 pings all the time

*Sends fox back to school*

hi

//-k4-CTPAX- from Bulgaria, 34 years old, hardcore q3 player, icq#17382191

P.S. Fox is a very good player, nothing against him, but im pretty sure that he also knows, that he cant own Cooller, not on ztn, he may take a game from him from 5, on a good day, but nothing more...

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Well tbh he did own Cooller this time, and what will happen in the future nobody can tell, or who would win on a LAN since they havent played eachother on lan I reckon. And to talk like "cooller had hurt his left thumb or whatever" is pretty funneh to read. To bad I will now tell you the truthon what really happened.

I know that cooller lost since he had been listening to spice girls and recently found out they are no more so he entered the game with a broken heart. Fox on the other hand had been checking out fazz sexxeh body and was all eager to get into the groove. By this time cooller had just finished a conversation with his friend uNkind that told him it was only rumours that spice girls are no more and told cooller to concentrate on the most important thing, to freezeframe their video Holler and check out Victoria Beckhams cameltoe.
Fox who was sneaking in the bushs at coollers place saw this and went home to sweden to take a quick karaoke contest with Opium from eyeballers. In the middle of all this chaos zth and tech decided to show up..now things are getting tense. During this time cooller visited his friend "mrs Righthand". And in sweden tech and zth decided to go "Tag team foxtrot". What they didnt know what they got into though, fox and opium are standing champs in electric foxtrot which is the same thing though with techno music..like Enya. Ofcourse fox and opium won and this is the 1 thing that made fox win cuz on the way to his home he met a lady and she was all like "omg arent you...." and fox was like "yeah whutevah!!1".

thats the harsh truth my friends. Sorry if I destroyed your theorys but truth can hurt.

How can ppl say that fox ain't a great player? He owns bad at TDM and that means he has skills (aim, movement, some tactics). He already has the aim, maybe he's smart too and thought of some nice 1v1 tactics, besides he prolly had lots of duel practice. From his demos i can say he's playing impressively in the strategy ground... and he's aim looks like lan aim. pretty impressive

[xeno]HaXch

LOL

Here we go again. A lot of underaged computernerds who nag about what would really have happened if only.... bla bla bla.

Fanboys with no better to do than taking down a winner with accusations and other ill founded statements. I once did a summary after some big events and saw VERY clearly that those who were most keen on this childish unsportmanlike behaviour were Russians closely followed by US-players/fans so I guess it's not very surprising.

Leave your computers for a while will you. Go to the window, open it and take a breath of air. That may help you get your brains working again.

And to Fox I just want to say GG and well played!

I agree. The guy named I_perfect just confirms your statement.
Seriously, I_Perfect, everybody knows that swedes speak decent english, russians dont.
I always see those brainless comments on irc/gtv etc.
"russian owns everybodies" etc.
hmmz....
Man, I should get some fresh air too :/

"russian owns everybodies" lol =] some cz players use eng binds and as soon as u start tlking eng to them theyre like wtf. lol.
swedes DO speak eng, i do visit swe servers and dont speak swe and we can get a game together by tlking eng, not that theres much tlking involved neway eg rdy up fuxxor, ra free, attack quad, u suxxor teh coxxor lamar, laggar. etc.
i dunno bout russians tho.

you realise you just replied to a 2 year old post :O?

a year later, HI!

heyyy how's it going friend from the present?

hey look at that, i managed to find this thread again!

lets keep it going then!~

y remove demo? :O((((

i thought no one wanted to see fox vs cooller.. :/

I want to see it!!!

yet, another bump :D blame google hehe

i still remember the game hehe, and was fine to recall the wine. on c58.org was even better

edit: oops, i mean FUN, not fine to recall the whine. doh :/

Need demo!

Re-upload. The file name doesn't contain a clear description, but Cooller's and Fox's ingame names match that of the time; in another map of the same match, there's also ESo staff present. I also vagely remember the match :) So 99% sure this is the one.

Download: https://mega.nz/file/Ld50lQRB#EXhXGWmgzw_2yzR...MBIrQNUGZ4

Upload to YouTube!

Thank you btw, I take it you have thousands of old pro demos?

I recently got curious and recovered some demos on my own, but most with the help of some trusty longtime ESR users. See this thread.

Just tried. FRAPS seems to manage to record movies from Q3 demos just fine. Might indeed upload some games to YT.

DO IT!!!