ok..I have to say a few things...
unquestionable, fox is a great player, so far so good and nothing new.
But i really dislike the attitude of ic, especially the attitude of toxic, fox and (only sometimes) gopher.
Toxic just cant stand loosing, he rarely says gg after games he lost. Anybody can see, that he cant loose like a man. I dunno why that is, rumors say (and pictures of him seem to prove that), his only successes in life are dm6 games. So everytime he looses in q3, he is remembering there are no successes in life for him, and he starts to cry about that like an old woman. A gamer is not respected becos of his aimingskills, but by his behaviour too.... Try to act like a man....
Fox is just overconfident about himself.
And gopher plsssss.....every q3 player knows there is a biiig difference for my enemies when i play with mp 100 or 125, its just lol trying to joke about it, before the game against [u].

P.S.: Very nice tourney!!! And the best team had won

overconfident? just realize that self-irony is rarely understood when it comes from us.

btw you dont know the first thing about the effects of maxpackets ;)

More people than fas (whoever he is?) has expressed problems with fox/ic's attitude, and not because they don't understand irony. I don't know what they get that from, I've always known that fox and ic would only get better and better and seem like nice enough guys, but I don't really know them at all, either online or IRL.

Hey guys, let's not forget unmatched -- oldtimer (hähä) SteLam is back in action and him and zyz beat all but IC1 including IC2. They looked so strong I thought they could get all the way to 2nd place ;) and they did. So very well played zyz and SteLam!

ic is getting better? didn't know you could get much better then ic is =)

btw, thought toxic's new fav map was pt4 =P

I meant better and better from a year or two ago, when both russians and americans dismissed fox's (and fazz's) wins over ... russians and americans... with "we'll beat you on LAN" and "they only play FFA style TDM" etc etc.

If someone is to beat fox's track record of proficiency in TDM, duelling, CPMA duelling, and lately CA, they'd better start now. He's placed highly in too many international competitions to be dismissed as "just blahblah". IMO if he's not already up there with all-time great as ZeRo4, prozac and lakerman, he will be.

There's no denying IC currently owns the TDM scene, the only thing I can see coming are the russians, which are doing the right thing, practising hard to be a forZe to be reckoned with. :]

it spells "ic" not IC as everyone keep spelling it :)

"CPMA duelling" since when?

Since some online cup a few months back. He had no problems adapting to cpma physics and weapon combos. But (prove me wrong) he's probably not > rat et al yet

definatly not :)

One of the most impressive demos i ever saw.Excellent game.

You know them quite good IRL, aye ? :)

wtf does this have to do with the demo ? or wait you draw those conclusion s form the demo ?

oh man, a full psychological profile based on a guy not saying "gg"?

check who that toxic beat in 1 vs 1 on qlan first before u speak f*ckhead
ps check whats maps he won also...

afaik, he said bg to if22; even as he won t2, and also when lexer owned him on dm6. If u do something like that in a faked random game on a random public, its one thing, but he should have enough self-control to avoid things like that on a big lan tourney. If he doesnt, its just natural there are some people like me who really dislike his attitude.
Btw, reddis u should remember the biggest example for "first checking; then speaking" in the last few months with that nice "unKind" demo.
So better follow ur own advices man :P....

it was erzk who said to me it was unkind ofcourse i belived him so what? doesnt say shit about what u say about ic or that u cant stand for ur opinions haveing to create a total new account..... point was toxic even beat if22 on t2 and if u ever saw the game u know why he said it... after haveing to camp 15+ mins it just gets sad....

ok heres a lesson
1. learn to reply to the posts u want to reply to....
2. if22 played the way he played in this game...it was a big tourney so everbodys playin the way he might win; personally i dislike watching campergames, but hey thats q3...
3. lexer have beaten toxic without that hardcore camping, and he still said bg
4. i never had an account on esr
5. i dont have to give u pics of my mom, just for posting something on esr
6. get a clue
7. get out of many swe playas asses
8. k thnx bye "boy"
omg ...haha

first i was going to seriously comment on your points given but after the last few comments from you i realized youre a little immature teen with no pubes so i wont waste my time.

ok to the people offending me, like fox:
I meant that first post seriously, i explained there why.
the fact that reddis replyed to me in that way (f*ckhead, sit down boy, class dismissed etc..) was unnecessary. There, my normal conversation stopped. And i was one of that people who thought about the demo postings against "unKind" that its a highly debatable thing (to say the least) to post such demos. So i was biased.
Thats why i acted like (I'll give you that..) a kid (#17 & 21; #12 was copypasted from reddis from this thread: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=509119 for the people that dont know this). I dont like serious flaming at all. Feel free not to argue about the things i said, but some people i know felt the same way about the described attitude.
"k thnx bye" thingis were just words from reddis i laughed about.
Anyways, i just posted my thoughts, and if some people dont like it, maybe they have to say im a kiddie or something.
I wouldnt post that again, i was just thinking it after all this gtv on the weekend.
I won't reply to orange too.
And btw, i didnt put anything away from the deserved ic win, but on one side I was impressed by unmatched's attitude, who stayed calm even after high losses. I also think that this is a very good example for nice behaviour in tournaments. On the other hand, i disliked some other behaviours, as i described in my posts.

bad losers: unmatched. CPL London, stelam slinger didn't show up for the interview after the final vs ic. and imo, "CPL LONDON doesn't mean anything we won the greatest thing eurocup 3!!!!!" talk about bad losers?

he is right, tox never says 'gg' after he lost a match. only after a win (i watched alot games in this 2on2 cup. it was the same in ec3.).
and all that binds he and phantom used where more than silly.

omg, with that statement u truly confirm fas pov.
n1 tourney l4me attitude by u!

fas - the new 'bubble' ?

Whatever he is, i already know one thing for sure...... he's a moron

b000h000 go cry me a river crybaby :(

1. ?.
2. doesnt matter how u put it a game that finnishes 1-0 or was it 2-1 is a fucking bg.
3. so ?
4. right.
5. go cry me a river
6. go cry me a river
7. go cry me a river
8. class dissmissed now sit down lil boy. kthxbye.

nerd.

coolguy.

yes, i am. and you're a nerd.

internet coolguy u rule

don't be sad. nerd.

im not! kthzbye

you just said "kthzbye".

nerd.

internet coolguy :<

hilarious :)))

reddis:
cry me a river, too

copycat

get a clue

u do.

ok, i managed it, now it's your turn.

u did ???? dindt notice kthxbye

nice game

Dude you just care to much man, pls :/

strange u had to make a NEW account just to make this post ? my bet its a sad german. yup...
test posting with ur esr realnick... or wait u dont have the balls.... class dissmissed now sit down k thx bye

you cant read i guess? test scroll up abit and read again. and who the fuck have said about erzk owns unkind on lan blalblalala man take ur fucked up "IM THE BEST OF EM ALL" ego somewhere else. its a pratice game not a wcg final .
Class dissmissed. kthxbye

kthnx bye :))

uh! ? wtf u talking about ? to much shrooms tnite ? guess so ... now sit down boy.
gg man ...

ahahahahahah u have to be such a funny person, cant stop laughing about ur posts. must be the "shrooms tnite"...omg...:D

thx

cry me a river?

matter of speak

who likes losing?

and that you've drawn a conclusion for mentally ill, when you have seen a picture and watch a few demos when he dont say gg. YOU are mentally ill.

But u have to agree that this strange attitude problems is a common thing, not just in q3, but in all sports; it's just something that comes from their developed selfconfident, which, in the background of being the best clan in the world, can express itself from the very fact that it dosent now have to hide - their selfconfident can acctually now go out and have some fun, and this selfconfident, undoubtly, cares about what they say at all.

'rumors say'
you're a fag

I must say the player I admire the most is GOPHER, of course because of his skill, but mostly because of his attitude. I have NEVER seen him whine, neither ingame, in posts, or in irc. (irony and sarcasm does not apply)
He is always acting very professional and with respect for his fellow players and opponents.

Two other names I can come up with who act like that are ZeRo4 and GitzZz.

Big props to those guys.


I agree though that fox seems full of himself, and toxic seems like a crybaby. Still they are better guys than the average gamer, in my opinion.

How can you even care, dude?
That's probably the lamest remarks I've ever read?
Maybe ic are assholes, all of them? Who knows, maybe they rape little children?

I DON'T CARE!
I really don't care about any of these gamers, I just like to watch them play, I'm IMMENSELY impressed by their response times and motorskills.

Other than that, I wouldn't care less if fox, or lexer, or z4muz, or fatal1ty, or unkind, or cooller, or whoever just went and DIED tomorrow.

You people care too much, get out and get laid ffs.

omfg...fox so fucking good played and so fucking funny :D~~ * Impressed

agree to fas. I really dont know any of iC members personally. but their behaviour on this weekend gave me a very poor picture of them.
so far. gg's and gratz :)

...that people care about this things...this is gaming not a
game of polo or golf...we are children playing with computures plz dont try to act like this is the white house or something...whiner 4 ever

^^

ur are write my little child ;)
[+] for u man.

everyone said gg at the end of this...so what is the complaint? i didn't notice any bad sportsmanship in this demo. if you noticed it in another demo then maybe your post should be with that demo!

you missed all the silly binds? and no, they didnt say 'gg' at the end of every match they lost (speaking of toxic and phantom). i cant remember a single one tbh, but i didnt watch them all. they didnt for sure in those matches i watched.

its not that important, but its no sportsmanship nonetheless.

this demo isn't of toxic and phantom! so my point still stands. why post something saying people are bad sports when a specific incident of poor sportsmanship doesn't take place in this demo?

I still believe that even the Swedes once will be grown-up and realize how ridiculous they've once behaved and feel sorry about it.
They really did their worst to respresentate their country in a honorable way. OMG, imagine this would have been real-sport, hahahahah. You Swedes are the! nation who definitively take Q3 to serious, because if you wouldn't care you would not need to be so fucking LAME. Toxic really is the greatest motherfucking LAMER I've ever seen. Thank god, IC did not loose a match, I don't want to imagine the lamage of Fox/Gopher.
Btw...umbelievable successfull comback by Stelam, this already is storied!!!
Sadly it's also storied that the Swedes are the most lamest nation on earth...

Sorry for generalisations, just was too lazy to numerate all the swedish lamers separately.

I'm already looking forward to the many nice replies of my swedish friend... ;)))

Germans are sore losers, and about swedes growing up realizing how ridiculous they acted, we never tried to exterminate a whole population. I know it's a cheap shot but hey, you started it

HhaehHAEHAHE MUAhaheahhea

hehe, do you think I have any qualms of admitting that IC was the best team in this tourney and really deserved the victory?
No i haven't.
I also do not complain about the loss of the german team but the behaviour of the Swedish teams, especially IC2. I know it does not fit to this demo but people start arguing and writing comments about it to this demo, so this is why I've replied...

And it is soo damn poor and misplaced to allude to germanys nazi past.

But gladly you've prooved that you belong to the target group of the swedish lamers :)

you shurely have the nazi in your blood, you have already started to hate a nation/people cuz of the behaviour of a few players. That's just prove that you are lame.

Oh yeah, as if russian/sweden/american/most likely every contry ever taken part in some international gaming tourney don't have some people talking trash about the whole nation of their teams opponents :D
It's lame, i copy you on that, but has nothing to do with whether someone has "the nazi in their blood" or not :D

ehm, actually i've just criticized the behaviour of a few players that coincidental come from sweden.
most probably you just blamed me as a nazi because you saw my avatar=german flag, because if you did read my post you would have not been able to find anything to built your statement of. you are just a damn equivocator who most probably is in his adolescent phase and searching for something to complain about and someone to blame for. guys like you will always find something to manipulate. find another medium where you can let off your spiritual outporings, sickboy

HenrikJuto is rigobert@c-94b871d5.021-19-756d6511.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se * jens ries
HenrikJuto on +#wka.q3 @#wka

Please stop trying to make all swedes look like retards, thank you.

we never tried to exterminate a whole population
Isnt this site about Q3?

no its about exterminating whole populations.
YOU DIDNT KNOW THAT? NAZI!

that reminds me of another game in this cup: someone used the words juden (german for jew) and nazi to taunt another team. cant remember who that was though, but it shows some deep knowledge about history :>

did anyone notice that the germans are always the nazis and ppl from other countries use 'jew' as taunt? just curious...

And I have never tried to make swedish porn

Uuh....nevermind

busted :P

lolol

he talks about the presence, you talk about the past

Christ, you're a fucking idiot.

Nobody likes a bad loser so stop whining, please.

krossarn, did you read my comment carefully and with a sober status? It does not matter for me whether a german or a swedish team wins and i'm also not a bad loser.i posted the following in my previous comments:
hehe, do you think I have any qualms of admitting that IC was the best team in this tourney and really deserved the victory?
No i haven't.
I also do not complain about the loss of the german team but the behaviour of the Swedish teams, especially IC2. I know it does not fit to this demo but people start arguing and writing comments about it to this demo, so this is why I've replied...

i don't know if you can remember but we two played a few times on german online servers and sometimes you won and sometimes I won. NOBODY WAS LAME. Just the way it should be. Maybe me, as a german also learned something of our past: I would never come to a countryman's defence if he is not right.

ic did not behave badly. I've heared EYE did though so I am not defending them.

Cool thing that you remember me from some server. Was probably good games. :))

Clans that did behave badly, IMO, were QPO, aAa, Tulls and DC. I find it extremely lame to accept an invitation and then refuse to play the games. As I suspect the case were in some cases (the ones in ic#1's group) cause they did not want to get owned in public.

Like someone commented, I saw no wierd things about this game that would make any side look bad. For my part, I think that unmatched did better than I thought they would, which was nice to see.
And no, not all swedes are lame of course, I think the four guys featured in this demo played great, not showing any kind of bad sportsmanship. Maybe they did in another demo though, but if you're referring one of those, I think you should reply to the correct one.

/Khorne

You Swedes are the! nation who definitively take Q3 to serious, because if you wouldn't care you would not need to be so fucking LAME

I don't know but this seems like pure jealousy to me.

ehm, i dunno what you're doing if you admire something...but i use to express my admiration by compliments and congratulations. i guess lamage is a thing that nobody admires, so wtf should i be jealous of ic's lamage?
i think i said it around 2-3 times, but because apparently you cannot read i'll tell you the 4th time: Congratulations to the winner, team IC from Sweden, best team won, nothing to complain about their skillz.

OK? got it?

kthxbyebye

tbh I only read your first post(s?) and I made my reply based on that one. Yes, It seemed that you were a bit jealous, I mean you expressed it kinda harsh. Aye never mind my first reply. No hate thx bye.

Lamest people are in EYE actually, especially Opium. I saw a demo of his duelcup match where he just called his opponent fag and disconnected in the middle of the game and he called a pRo player nazi in this tournament. Player like that should be banned from tournaments in my opinion. Ic seem like a bunch of cool guys to be honest, they are joking pretty often and people should understand that.

Yes, absolutely right. People especially should appreciate that little maxpackets joke by Gopher at the beginning of the superfinal. Didn't you know that maxpackets 125 is a client command like cl_timenudge and won't affect the opponent?
But you know what? That was just a pretty good joke by Gopher, hahahaha! I just didn't know the swedes are joking so damn often, but now I understand it...
I recommend the read the russian oppinion about cl_maxpackets 125 on www.cyberfight.org.

I'm thinking about using cl_maxpackets 20 and tn-40 next time I'll play online, because they're just client commands...

Ooh sorry, maybe I forgot to add, those settings dont affect aslong as you keep them above the minimum (which is decided by server side settings, like sv_fps). There's absolutely no difference for Unmatched if we're using mp125 instead of 100 on a sv_fps 30 server, as long as we use snaps 30+. Please stop try to make us look bad, everyone with a brain know why Unmatched didnt wanna allow us to use mp125, sad but true.. but I don´t blame them really, after all I guess they just wanted to win. Over and out

P.S, Stelam showed some great sportmanship imo, Maybe it was just me and fox that didnt know about timelimit being set to 16 on dm6, apparently he knew about it :/

What's the relation netween rate and maxpackets? I thought rate and sv_fps decide how many updates the client gets from the server (download) and maxpackets the number of updates the client sends (upload)?

gopher....you are really an idiot. you ignored all my arguments and you were even unable to understand the small bit of irony in my post. yes, you even did not notice the russian opinion about maxpa 125. tell me, if there is no difference from maxpa 100-125 wtf so many people start complaining about maxpa 125? are the russians incl. cooller and mikes are all dump? i'm not sure if you are able to understand that other countries do not have the same good online-connections as you got in sweden. but you partly said it, if there is a minimum that you should not fall below there probably is also a maximum you should not overstep,no? but of course this depends on your connection. and i do believe you that maybe in sweden you'll feel no difference of maxpa 125 and 100.

and btw...messing you up would be the fucking last thing unmatched would do. because you little dumphead isn't worth concerning about. BIG LAME & LITTLE BRAIN

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=515971#515971

Just my 2 cent. You surely all know that servers have a bandwith. And maxpackets shares, along with other settings this bandwith among the players. So, if somebody uses high mp, he will get a big part of the bandwith, and the other way around. Now, if the server is on its capacity limit the player specific settings will effect other players damn sure...
Now, 4 GTV's 4 Players, 4 (?) Admins, guess what ... ?

btw. IKEA's burning hot! :P

So if one player uses rate 3000, snaps 20, maxp 30 then all other players have to use the same settings?

No. I didnt said this.
But with this settings you would have a realy shitty connection full of packetloss.

What you are saying is that it's unfair to use "high settings" as it is a disadvantage to the other players. But who decides what high settings are?
If a player with 33.6k modem is to have the same chances as the adsl'ers then the adsl'ers have to use 33.6k settings -> low snaps/rate/mp, but somehow I can't imagine the adsl'ers agreeing to that :>

adsl vs 33.6k is the same as scandinavian conns vs central european conns. Yes your conns may suck, but don't make us play with settings below what we usually play with, just to make our conns suck too :<

don't be stupid, just because cl_timenudge is a client side command it DOES affect the way other people see you.

maybe they should create a poll about the lamest clan, it could for example include the ec clans ;)

uhm, my brother should stop posting under my nick.

plz slow down...
it was a great tourney and it made really fun to watch a lot of impressive games. toxic might be a bad loser, but watch pro vs aaa @ztn3dm1 for example... isnt this "nation-flaming" on gtv enough?

nice demo

This was just to easy :>....outcome 90-9 rolf

The "Godwin's Law" once again verified !

so retarded.

Man...I really dont understand your criticizsm...I saw all ic-2 games on gtv, and they acted normal in all of them. Sure u are not confusing ic2 with EYE (thay made total fools out of themselves...opium ought to be banned from future events...calling opponents "cunt", "jew", "nazi", etc)?


/Swede.

Hmm really nice demos but the truly good ones is from the WB finals imo..

And all this flaming just.. make me laugh..
HOW can anyone just draw clonclusions about a person that he never met or spoken to based on not saying 'gg'.. ?

I've never met any of the ic members but after watching these demos they seem like anyone else..? ..except being hardcore and owning everyone so that might be why they are targets of these childish idiots..

the only whining I saw was Opium.. but .. since they didn´t place better noone really cares I think..

ggs,

never seen IC act like this before, complete wankerism. They knew they were going to win, no need to bitch and slag your opponent though. Oh, my connection drops with 125mp, its fine with 100. I think you need to realise that we aint got FAT ass connections like yourself.

I'd pay to see gopher and toxic have a pie eating competition.

peace.

hmm, in this demo (the dm6 one) i didnt find anything abusive or otherwise 'wankerish' from the IC side so i dont know what you are all talking about.. Strange though since IC are just about owning all the others in this cup they are the target of all the flames yet no-one even mentions the aAa-pro demo (almost 20 minutes of non-playing by aAa) and the EYE-pro demo gets only half the flames it deserved. So thats 1 french clan and 1 swedish clan.. The germans and russians must be like angels then?? wrong! In this demo stelam like stops playing in the final minutes cos hes getting owned?? o right, he was pissing ... now its ok i guess (yeah right :/) and the russians? no whine at all except when they have to face it that they lost the match in the loserbrackets.. all of a sudden 'pings arent fair' and they want 'different server' (at the end of the match? like duh ur not gonna get ur way then)

shees, face it. nobody's perfect, these things will happen.. its just a game so why bother making such a fuss out of a joke? (even when there are a lot worse offenders in the tourney like opium and linkin)

Funny thing that some people whining about "bad losers" in this thread are Germans... if they at least had had the intelligence to do it in a thread not related to a demo where their top team gets beaten with 10x the score, then maybe I would have considered their whining a bit more justified.

I really don't know why you should say "gg" if you didn't like the game btw. Telling lies should be considered more lame than not telling them. And if you did dislike a game, a "bg" is definately acceptable, as it tells your opinion and at least in Sweden we have the freedom of speech... dunno about Germany though. If anyone feel offended by a "bg" then they need help.

At the end of this game, I think that one of the u players went away to take a pee, now that is of course not lame, since it wasn't anyone in ic (yes it is spelled in lower case)who did it and I'm a very intelligent German whiner with a totally unbiased opinion.

Nothing is known about this "fas" except that he(?) enjoys to flame people in threads on gaming forums and that he clearly has a problem with people saying "bg". My advice to him would be to consult a therapist (and something makes me feel very worried about whoever gets the job).

I really don't know why you should say "gg" if you didn't like the game btw. Telling lies should be considered more lame than not telling them. o_O

... then every tmt-player with says "gl" at the beginning must be lame =)

If you say "gg", it also means, that you appreciate your opponent's performance. With a "bg" you don't.
It's a matter of fairness and sportsmanship, to congratulate your opponent, when he plays good.
Remember, you can only play as good, as your opponent lets you play.

whine 2k 4evah...

Personnaly, I think that if the game wasn't a gg you shouldn't say gg.

That's like saying "I feel alright" everytime someone asks you "how's it going ?".

Now if loosing == bg everytime, there's a problem. Being sad that you loose is perfectly understandable, but one should be able to say it was a good game when the game was an interesting game.

obviously you two (riske and silex) dont understand the meaning of saying "gg" after a match. its not about "That's like saying "I feel alright" everytime someone asks you "how's it going ?"". its also not about commenting how good you played. its not about YOU!
"gg" is like a handshake after a match of tennis. with saying "gg" you tell your opponent how good HE played. with "gg" you respect his skill and gameplay.
this should light up your mind now and you should read your comments again. then you should notice how bad sportsmanship it is not to say "gg". especially when you lose your opponent was obviously better than you and should deserve the little "gg". if you cant give him that you are definitivly a bad loser. and to even say "bg" is like not doing the handshake in (for example) tennis but running straight off the court. just emagine what you would think about such a person if this would happen on a tennis court. but this just shows how selfish some ppl are and that some really dont understand the meaning of sportsmanship.
I want to add here sth about gophers comment because I as the bad anonymous user I am am not allowed to do multiple posts.
first of all I want to say a little bit about the maxpackets. if I understood you right (your post here and coollers comment on c58.org) you say mp 125 doesnt affect the opponent since its above the minimum and since its a client side command (c58). as cooller says absolutely right timenudge is also a client side command and every q3 player can tell you that timenudge DOES affect your opponent. I personally have experienced that its much harder to play against mp 125 then 100 or below. I dunno why that is. I have an average adsl connection. so I can understand if they didnt want to play against mp 125 if there connections cant handle it. I also think that the q3 netcode is too complicated to understand it completely.
your second point is that you say that "after all I guess they just wanted to win". you have a weird oppinion there. as there connections cant handle mp 125 (for themselves) why should they play with mp 100 to mp 125 against you? you would have an extrem advantage since having mp=maxfps is the absolute optimum to be acheaved. every mp setting below maxfps is far away from to be 1to1 to what really happens in the game (i.e. on the server). so you want to tell us that you didnt want to win by setting mp to 125 what would have given you an advantage? plz dont. the only thing you can say is that the game was fair with that mp simply fair. i dont know why you even complain about a totally fair game (which you won).
finally I want to say that it was a great tourney although it was on the inet and conditions were not fair sometimes. also some ppl really seem to take this game far too serious (opium...).

ps.: plz dont flame.

Personally I have a much harder time to hit people with maxpackets 30.

as there connections cant handle mp 125 (for themselves) why should they play with mp 100 to mp 125 against you?

gopher and i shared a dsl-line with 3 other people, yet we used mp125. so stop talking about "only the swedes with their 10mbit connections can use mp125".

I tell you what happens if I do mp 125. first the ping drops from 25 to like 20. I say "YES"!. but then I move and the ping increases. on the lagometer the green hill gets higher and higher untill I finally have 999.
so with your comment you actually proved (me) how good swedish connections are even if they are ordinary adsl. maybe you just underestimate "deutsche telekom".

yes, our 512kbit IS MUCH FASTER then your 512kbit

You come and use 125maxpackets on a uk 512 adsl connection and then tell us that your 512 is no different to any other :/

Maxpackets is about upstream. fox has 512/512 so he can use mp 125 while I have 768/128 and cannot. Simple as that.

Nice, owned him ! :))

LOL how clueless :)

Oh, I didn't read your "gg"-"bg" issue. Wrote just 1 min ago sth. similar - but shorter :)
I should read the complete thread, before i make any postings :>

Hehe, I think you mis-understood what I meant, I didnt want Unmatched TO USE maxpackets 125, I wanted them to ALLOW US doing so, they can play with whatever maxpackets settings they want, aslong as they keep it at a minimum of 60 (since sv_fps was 30, mp30 will make you warp like hell when sv_fps is 30). I hope you understand this time ;)

maybe you read it again its exactly what I said. and because their connections dont manage the 125 mp they would have to play with mp 100 wouldnt they?
btw plz tell me how much download/upload you have so I can understand why your adsl seems so much better then the german one. 512kbit ul or dl?

we were 5 ppl on 512/512. when we had our matches we told the others not to browse/download etc so you can pretty much say only us two were using it. 512 divided by 2 = 256. are you telling me you have 128kbit dsl or something?

exactly and thats not only me. its perhaps 80% of the german players. deutsche telekom mainly sells 768/128 adsl. you need to have sth called qdsl to play with mp 125. you maybe understand now why everybody says german connections are so fucked up. you simply havent got the upload to play q3 with maximum settings. I hope this adsl = adsl thing is settled now. it should have become clear that swedish adsl > german adsl (dunno about france). I hope you learned sth from this I definitivly did!

uhm?:-)
i got 128 upload as well and i can play fine with maxp 125

If you don't want to use mp 125 then by all means feel free not to do so...
But if you disallow opponents to use mp 125 because _your_ conn can't handle it you might aswell disallow rate over 3000 because you might play against an opponent that has 33.6k.
And you shouldn't be allowed to use maxfps over 30 because your opponent might have a shitty comp. And you can't use a mouse as your opponent might be a keyboard only player etc etc...

Your opponent shouldn't be forced to use shitty settings just because you aren't as lucky, or have spent as much money as him.

You don't see a Ferrari f1 driver use only 25% of the engine's power just because Minardi only have 25% the budget compared to Ferrari.
And you don't see a German longdistance skier only practicing on rollerskates on asfalt just because an athlete from Mozambique signed up for next season.


The (real) world is evil... Get used to it.

ehhmm you really seem to have no clue massman. the standard mp setting in the tourney was 60/100. mp 125 could only be used if BOTH sides agree. here is an advice from me to you: inform yourself first (like fox should have done by simply asking stelam what dl/ul he has) before you hit the shit and you wont look like an idiot (sry) that often.
and to the anonymous above:
you are from belgium which would explain why you can use it. it also can be that some germans also can use it if they have a good location (means few traffic on their line). but I am sure fox would agree if I say 128kbit is teh shit.

If I was afraid to look like an idiot I would post anonymously like you...

And I'm sorry that you missed my point even though I made those comparisons.

you really seem to be too stupid to understand it. just read my first three sentences again. ill say it for you again in big letters but only one time.

THERE WAS A RULE THAT SAID: IT IS NOT ALLOWED TO USE MP ABOVE 100.
but you can agree with your opponent to a higher setting.

maybe you got it now. this is not reallife. life isnt fair we know. and rules especially in games are made just to make it fair.
maybe I should translate it to your examples. take the ferrari example and imagine they would drive for championship in a league where its not allowed to use more than 500 horsepowers. I am getting tired of this now.

Interesting how you write the part of the rules that supports your arguments in uppercase, and the part that supports my arguments in lowercase.

omg... this will be the last post for sure because you simply seem not able to think logically. if u could play with mp 125 why shouldnt they? if they couldnt why should they give ic the unfair advantage of 125? maybe I should have written "AGREE" so you can read it. I know you will reply to this one too and write some really smart stuff and so. just have the last word I dont mind.

But you DO mind otherwise you wouldn't keep replying (and use that old "i wont argue anymore, but i'm right" line) ;>

Anyways I think I perhaps put my arguments better here:
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=517734#517734

http://www.handicrapped.com/images/gg10.jpg

:)

I've always related "gg" to the game, not to the opponents performance. Same goes for "bg" of course.
If I think that my opponent played well, then I simply say "wp". I would not call anyone lame if they said "bg" after playing against me, as I would interpret it as they meant that the game was bad.

I personnaly almost always say gg everytime, but I always found weird that my opponent did when I did crush him during the whole game.

I think what you say is that the sense of gg ( Good Game ) evolved in a way it became a polite respect thing.

Personnaly, I prefer to stick to its 1st meaning, and when I finish a match I continue chatting with the guy or in lan I go and handshake the guy I played against. I always did like that and THAT is way more respecting the guy imho.

You can chat a bit with him, tell'him "nice play when I was around the corner" or "your rail aim is very good" or anything.

I understand that nowadays, you guys have no time to continue chatting after a game, nor you stand up and start searching the guy you played against in a lan.

Old School > New School
:P

STELAM IS THE BESTEST TDMPLAYER EVER!
:((((((((((((((((((

hurray for germany, well playd u.

fox was complaing about maxpackets and gopher about ospdm11
that's what I call LAME, they took this too serious although they
won all their games easily

and now all sweds are happy that our "top team gets beaten with
10x the score"
but you know what? that doesn't mean anything!
stelam was inactive for 1 year, so what do you expect?
but he achieved something fox will never achiev
he won 3 eurocup lanfinals in a row!!!
and that's why he has the title of "the best q3tdm player EVER"

Haha, this is hilarious! :D

/hunn

And this is true. IMO SteLam > fox.

Extremely well played, but what was all the whining for? That just sucked. It's another reason why I don't like phokkzie, while he deserves to be respected :/

Stelam > fox? Maybe weight wise, but fox is taller!

OK!!!1 But I'm not gonna give you a [+] for that comment :/

http://www.multimediabistro.de/images/photos/aaj.jpg

Aha! It seems like fox > stelam after all!!!

what's peoples problem? could someone point out the whine please? i really must have missed something even though i had front row seats.

u comin across as a bit of a cock in some of your comments on these demo threads m8.

Especially imo, the ones where you try to make out that you had no ping advantage over people like forze etc :/

Yeah.

You're an absolutely *evil* player, and I used to think you represented yourself really well on ESR, but these last couple of months you've come off as kind of an ass here.

yeah, i've caught myself acting like an ass a couple of times now. i just get frustrated when people talk about things they know nothing about. people who cant spot irony or a joke and start threads about it on esr. what people dont realize is that pretty much all the top gamers know eachother irl (from lan arena, eurocups, cpls, you name it) and we can joke around with eachother. the only ppl getting offended are the little fanboys

No wait! AM is the best, they won the first Eurocup!!! No one can get better!!! AHH!

gonna burn down some IKEA's now ;)

Ever tried those orange flavored cookies from IKEA ? Terrible.

Prolly because IKEA is selling furnitures.

I don't think, they make them themselves (the cookies).

I hear they're made out of left-over wood chippings.

They certainly taste that way

don't touch my billy!

oh my fucking god.

Such bitching and complaining from you lot. How about you all shut the fuck up. If IC was misbehaving and (u) didn't like it - they should have said something about it. IC is not supposed to act like saints because they're good at what they do. Usually I make fun either of myself or my opponent so that I can get a laugh out of the game, not just 'shut the fuck up' and play.

I don't think the 'scene' is in a position to comment on IC's behaviour. If someone is - it's unmatched. But hey newsflash: They're not filling this forum with garbage about things no normal person should care about.

peace.

hahaha

no plus!!

What? Get a grip, moron.

/me gets a grip.. o_O

Fas managed to make a full scale analyzis of toxics life after watching a picture and watching some games.
Gj dr Freud

when i went back over to the clanbase.com war comments and shit i seen how fucked up they are, and how much more mature this place is. Then you get some retards that post a load of bullshit hoping to clear something up but infact they make themselves look worse and just spark off the WW3 of comments. Who gives a fuck? IC won, U got second. Nothing was going to change that and nothing will now, and you dream fanboys aint going to get zyz, stelam come and say you owned us, or fox and gopher say we were lame.

So please, no more? :)

//Me is everything i said others were :))

Well let me explane one thing, GG shall only be said when u feel that they have played well and so on, IC have played alot of times against Unmatched at all kind of tourneys, so we know how they are as ppl irl, I didnt say GG becouse when we where at cpl london we told gg all the maps, and did go to they and wanted to shake hand and tell wp guys, but they didnt accept it and run away from the interview to. and about Qlan me vs Lexer i didnt told gg that game, i did go to him and told him wp man and we did go out and talked some. I dont want to say GG to someone becouse satisfy the spectators, im telling gg to the player i meet not to the specs.
If u look at all cpl games we always say gg even when we lose a game, and always shakes hand whit everyone after, we have never ignore a handshake after game. /tox

Now that's the spirit....! =)

thats one thing i always said :p people play for themselves not to please us specs :P

toxic is teh bomb

anyone remember a colmun on challenge-uk.com about 100 maxpackets, 100 refresh rate and 100 FPS. Apparentely everything responds better, lg etc

so maybe IC wanted to use 125 mp, 120 hz, 125FPS :\

....and?

I've had the "honor" the get owned by both Gopher and Toxic in a friendly 1v1 :),, and I have to say that both are VERY nice ,, with a VERY nice attitude.
As a Swede I would surely agree if people would flame EYE's behavior since Opium (and normaly DESP) is way to imature to play in a serieous tournament.
I see no one comment on the fact that Stelam stoped to play for awhile in this demo,, is that all sportmanship? imagine a Hockey team, take a break during a match just because the score is 0-10 ,, if Esport should be more accepted by all. Players need to focus in the same way you would in a "real" sport on both skill and behavior IMO.

/bH|Tiny

i remember this one time when fox and gopher was beaten on dm6, but i don't think i have seen it twice.

one time at band camp.. i stuck a

im sure you did.

i like the style how ic plays, but as i watched them on gtv i saw their behaviour before the match, not only the 10 secs when the game starts. they behaved like small children and just bothered the opponent in a ironic way. ic is a professional team, so please - be professional in behaviour too.

Whining or not ic have demostrated that they are unbeatable in pro-q3dm6,with 30,0 or 130 ping,I personally understand when fox says that about ''big girls'' in the final cause noone likes to be winning by a lot of frags and the other team hiding at respawns or something.Sorry for my english .

GG ic

imo the biggest losers are the guys whining about _other_ people's losses

big girls... hahaha!
gg fox gg gopher and gg unnmatcheds :)

they got beaten by fazz and desp on dm6 in some tourney i cant remember the name of :)

Optimus 2v2

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=264902&event=223945

Fazz,Desp vs Fox,Gopher pro-q3dm6

enjoy

Fas or wateva tha fuck ya name is, grow up u silly little fuck, this is probs ur fuckin letter to santa claus http://www.ebaumsworld.com/santa-johny.html - you comin on ere chattin shit but u get bullied by ya 1 month old puppy an 4 yr old sister, ya a fuckin joke, u sit at home analysin demos an shit an pick sum crust off ya ass n make fuckin brain storms on em, wtf? jus reply to tha demo an giv sum good/bad critism not bcuz tha guy says what he wants at tha end of games an shit, u got a fuckin bad attitude cuz u jus started a 4 page fuckin argument now all tha otha batty boys gettin involved jus shut tha fuck up u cocksuckin anal bashin fat slut fuckin mule.. good demo btw

Hey man, you sound like a really intelligent person, and btw YOU ARE MY FAVORITE GANGSTAH..omg..

lol? :$

it´s just a game...

ikea suxx


ic-2001 > ic-2003 =\

i think IC nowaday is better than in the past coz fox is in his better moment of teamplay,if you see the netos,scores etc..you'll notice that

hm i got 768/128 DSL from Deutsche Telekom and i can play fine with maxpackets 125 in every mod (osp,ra3,bla) and so can all the other T-DSL users i know :))

Tbh i cant understand why [u] didnt want to let IC use mp125. The argument that T-DSL cons can't handle mp 125 (having it yourself or let the opponent use it) is just bullshit. I can only speak for myself but i feel no big differnce between 100 and 125 neither opponent nor myself. And thats why i dont get IC's statement after dm6 "imagine with mp125". What would that have changed? 10,20,30 frags more ? dont think so.. That statement (cant remember who it was tho) was completely unnecessary and was just to show off "oh look we are so good" :)

As Stelam said in an interview afterwards: "pitty that IC turned out to be so arrogant now, they used to be nice boys at the rl-events where we met 'em". So seems like fox wasn't 100% right when he said "we can joke around which each other" as obvisouly [u] felt a little bit offended (and no they are no bad losers).

just my 2 cents

in that case i apologize.

mmh .. cant you talking your shit elsewhere ?!

@ reddis and fas!

mfg smu