Let's bet... i think Painkiller wont be the next game that you feel like this way.
I really have to say I hate this game, altough I writing news about that on my clansite.
I wish you good luck

but get something from the buffet first

I'm searching for the eenie weenie little sausage rolls.

Painkiller was fun for me for couple of days. However, it got rather boring after a week or so. Come on, basically 2 weapon game with not much of a brain required to time items and learn the art of using stake.

Of course, when there's big prize money there will always be pros who know hell lot more about the game comparing to me, but that's my opinion, that's it.

When was it that you played? Before or after they adjusted the weapons a bit? Not saying that they have the perfect balance now, but it was worse.

Well, I did not install 1.61 yet, dunno why. Playing plain good 1.35 for now. There won't be any difference for me, since it still remains ROCKET ROCKET ROCKET ::SPAWN:: STAKE, perhaps SG, ROCKET ROCKET ROCKET. Oh, and sometimes you can use minigun as well!

Not saying that they have the perfect balance

Neither did the weapons in q2, still a great mp experience! Btw, I've watched several of your movies listed at your page. Keep them coming, you've got some skills mr :)

I totally get your point and know what you mean, just felt the same :(

i gave in aswell and installed it 2day :), quite fun and ez to learn

heathen!

GG :) I believe you'll like the game.

I'm quite enjoying it. The speed is great, although it seems easy at first. However getting real control over movement seems to be not totally obvious and I'm still getting to grips with changing hop directions when fighting. I also quite like the fact that you only use 1 main weapon because it's less for me to learn :).

I don't understand why I have to hold the mouse upside down while spectating. Is there any way to unreverse spec mode?

I am more curious to see how age effects gaming performance, and if a 29 year old can compete with an 18-19 year old.

Go for it :)

I don't think it will be a problem. And experience > natural talent.

Personally, I would prefer to compete in Dawn of War :)

Cool, the more players the better! :))

If you want a challenge and focus on 1v1 its an awsome game (if you dont overplay it) :)

Is there a dota 1v1 channel in quakenet? I need to find people to play with.

#pk.1on1 good for 1on1 spamming i suppose. .

400 players in #painkiller.euro :] Also #painkiller.no is a very very very good channel for everything xD

398 of them were tricked into thinking there would be beer and cake provided!

the other guys are VoO and Fatalonity

"Hi... we were told there would be punch & pie here..."

I think after reading this I might borrow the game to give its latest variation another chance... You listed good reasons and also some of my friends seem into it :) :((((

I'd still rather watch Paradoks/dag play QW than anyone play Painkiller :P

fix@dm3

see them assraped on dm4 by griffin? yeah, i'd like to watch that too :)

Locktar, rat, Mortuary.. \o/

"Whilst I did enjoy Quake 3 (no really), I loved playing QuakeWorld. "

You should definitely give CPMA a try then! In my experience cpma is just more fun than PK since CPMA has also focussed on TDM unlike pk. But hey, that's my opinion.

No, liar.

He should come back to quakeworld... :)

What you say about Quakeworld is why I honestly hope that Painkiller does not become a success as a result of the world tour.

The games we play, follow, spectate, read about etc should be the ones we love to play, follow, spectate... They should not be selected for us by the CPL, based on their own financial motivation. Painkiller, while not unmitigated tripe, is fundementally flawed on a number of levels and it would have disappeared without the CPLs backing.

There's also the factor that we all want to play something current, something that people are talking about etc. It's just human nature.

And on the flip side, I don't really want to play QW anymore. It would just feel dated now.

I don't deny that my "ideal world" is commercially naive (at least for todays esports). But what people are talking about is the tournaments. If Quake 3 (for instance) tournaments were still big news, still drew coverage, wouldn't we still be talking about them?

People have talked for a long time about a standard gaming platform being required to elevate gaming to the same level as pro-games (chess, snooker, darts) and pro-sports. Fighting against that is a commercial model that generates revenue for game developers in a one-time-purchase and then through advertising.

There's also the factor that gamers appreciate novelty. I would like to believe that a sufficiently stable platform with a large enough player base should have continuing appeal provided that it continues to evolve and expand.

I think that might well happen pretty soon.

The reason it has not I believe is because of rendering. Peeps are still so obsessed with it, but next gen hardware is starting to reach a plateau. oK it's always going to improve, but when you have a game world which runs at 60 FPS, has bump mapping everywhere and looks absoultely stunning (I.E. like a rendered intro) then the graphical jumps are not going to be big enough to shock people.
Then whole rendering thing is going to come to a grinding halt in a few years and then gamers will say, shit, I cannot see a big enough difference from the PS4 to the PS5 and they'll start whining about gameplay again, then that might happen. I.E. a single game, though I'm curious as to whether it would evolve and change unlike Chess and Tennis whose rules have stayed similiar throughout the years.

I also have a problem with CPL dictating what becomes the next big thing. Especially as PK was dead and buried and it becoming a success seems like lowering peoples standards, as opposed to the game actually being good on it's own Merits.
I'm sticking with Doom 3, I hear the guy who's heavily ibnvolved with it was the one who made the pro maps for q3 like pro-dm6 and pro-t4 etc.
I think if they sort out the netcode add some good weapons, add some decent maps with the Designers showing consideration for GPU and CPU power then it'll be the one.

Then again, people will play hungry hippos if there is a tournament each month, $$$ and media coverage, so like you said, who knows.
It's typical of the gaming community:)

yes, i agree with all that was just said. i suppose the answer would be to have a game that has at least its graphics continuously updated and possibly more aspects of the game updated. i also find it highly annoying that it requires a top notch computer to run these 'pro' games on, it stops many people from playing these games or at least from being competitive.

"Is Starcraft so big in Korea because of the tournaments, or are the tournaments just there because Starcraft is so big" i would have to lean more towards starcaft making the tournaments big, but the tournaments are always going to make a game big, whether it the stays popular though is a test for the game. starcraft could have been replaced long ago, but they havent because people enjoy the game, its incredibly easy to follow even if you havent played it before.

the level of play which has developed outstandingly, the people who play starcraft professionally are good at starcraft, not warcraft or dawn of war, they dont have to change. esports associations are using and have used many variations of the same genre of game, making it unfair for the few competing gamers who have to keep changing game, this could ruin their chances of sustaining professionalism.

drama keeps people hooked, graphics does not.

you are right
but what other up to date should be played than? ut2k4?

Maybe you could score a few prizes playing TFT, as well... seeing as it was taken up by the CPL. Play whatever you enjoy... just don't fall into the trend of going where the money is as many of our favourite players are doing. If the game is utter garbage (as it is for many of us)... drop it and stick to what you're currently playing in your spare time.

1v1 WC3: TFT plz? ;D

I'm not seriously thinking that I'm going to win prizes with PK. Honestly, I don't have the time to play it so seriously. However what I do know for sure is that I will read about CPL tournaments here and about who's beating who from a list of players I'll be very familiar with. I'll also have the opportunity to download and watch demos of these games, so it's going to be the game I'll have most interest playing.

The fact still remains that a few of the players playing PK on a high level, most notably Vo0, have expressed that they really do like the game.

vo0's hardly going to dislike a game he's the best in the world at is he?
Wait until the other players catch up with him (soon) and he's the one getting beat in overtime and getting spawn raped.
It's exceptionally easy to like a game you own in and people associate you being the best at and write about you on forums like this.

No disrespect to vo0 he's a skilled player and all, but i seriously only believe he's the best at the moment because of his CPMA skill and most importantly, he was one of the best CPMA players to pick up the game and play it at a high level first.
And I have read somewhere how much longer this was.
Not a great deal, however, at this early stage a few months extra knowledge of a game at such an early stage is a BIG ADVANTAGE.
I think by around March, there are going to be around 5-6 players who'll seriously and consistently be able to beat vo0 and it'll be donw to something stupid like initial spawn.
It would be fun to see a player similiar to Fat in 2000 with Quake III though.
I just know from personal experience there is exceptional talent in some of those PK signup's and its going to be so tough for anyone.
Specially with someone like FAT and and the itallians like Stermy lanning constantly with his friends.

i asked myself the exact same question. what interests me is the question, if an esports title can have an impact on sales at all. well, exclude counter-strike. but how many of all the quake3 copies that were sold, were sold to people that are watching demos, tweaking configs and participate at esports at all? painkiller sold quite some units, but compared to other games, the online community is pretty small. than again we have rethink. there are different types of esport games. you said you bought painkiller to understand it porperly when watching a demo. well, i don't think, that painkiller is the kind of game, that you actually need to play, to understand it, especially not, if you have played games like quake or unreal tournament. thats seperates painkiller from games like warcraft. it's pretty hard to understand and actually have fun watching a wc3 replay, if you haven't played it by yourself. you might get a glimpse of whats happening, like seeing many units dying or seeing a hero surrounded by units and killed, but you can't get the full spectrum and intelligence of a game, if you haven't spend some time with it.
with our tv show we have encountered that problem several times. games like painkiller are quite easy to understand for people that aren't much into esports. you might compare it to boxing. millions watch it, but only a few box. the reason is, it's quite simple. you kill the other guy, one point. of course you don't get the whole intelligence of players like vo0, fatal1ty or zyz if you watch the game for the first time. but at least you understand why player a lost and player b won. different thing for warcraft. in order to make esports acceptable for a wider audience, people need to understand the games. thats when we go from esports to spectator sports. football in germany is pretty small compared to the us. not because the game sucks, but because people here don't understand it. people are very impatient when it comes to understanding stuff, thats supposed to be fun. people don't want to spent money and sit four hours in a stadium to "learn" the game. now back to the topic: i don't think that dc payed that money to actually sell more pk units (well to some point sure, but that wasnt the main reason), they don't want millions to play painkiller, but they want millions to watch painkiller. smart move if you ask me.

Sure you can understand painkiller and see that Player X shot Player Y with a rocket. But I don't think there's much enjoyment from basic understanding. I think you need to know the game to understand why a certain move was really smart, and how much skill is needed for something a player does. I did watch PK at ESWC last year but it really wasn't very enjoyable and I didn't have any urge to download a demo. Now I've played a little I appreciate the skill when I watch a demo, and I can grasp a little of the psychology that's going on behind the game.

Games like quakeworld and quake3 will not stop being played for many years. More than 2 years ago, everyone was saying that quake3 died or that it takes its last breaths. Everyone was sure for every tournament that was scheduled from then on, that would be the last one. Guess what? Is still being played and still has tournaments. Actually, I got the feeling that before the end of 2004, many gamers started it again and I believe this is not only, because of the ESWC and the 2vs2 eurocup, but because it is realised that won't go down easily. Quake3 and quakeworld are badass, hard to be knocked down, games.

Of course, the fact that all newly realised games were disapointments is also an additional factor.

just let me say: indeed =)

How much did the CPL pay you to write something like this?

At this point I only ordered the game, and I thought it was interesting that I might have done so just because of the CPL tournament. Just a random journal entry to be honest, I don't see that it shows PK/CPL in any kind of light, positive or negative.

If you have enough time, keep this journal updatet with your thoughs about the game. I respect your oppinion and would like to here it.

I've got painkiller lying around but I don't want to watch CPL PK demos :)