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i got it but im struggling to find the right sensitivity

the mouse itself rocks

3/11 in windows , 1600dpi , 3 sensitivity in cs im using

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Really good mouse.. i'd say its 8/10 better than 510 if 510 was 10/10 better than 500 :)

Takes some time to get used to tho, hard to find the right sens :o

Were there any actual differences between the 510 and the 500? Most stores sell the mice for the same price these days... which often lead people to believe that the only difference is colour.

Well the 510 is better, it has none of the negative accel you find in 500 and feels more responsive.

big difference. on low sens the difference is between a good gaming mouse and something you wouldnt want for free.

Let's hope so... Getting it tomorrow. ;)

It's exactly the same as MX510 - surprise surprise. Looks slightly cooler, though.
If you have an MX510, don't waste your money on the MX518

logitech fucking the general computer gaming public again then

The MX 510, to my knowledge, only has a max of 800 DPI, while the MX 518 has a max of 1600 DPI. The difference can be felt and seen on how sensitive the mouse movement is.

Minimal difference. But yes, if you look at the numbers, the 518 is better. It's all about getting used to it, not about getting the best, since tech companies always try to cater to gearheads by doubling the vital stats of anything.

The bottom line is the 518 IS a better mouse.
Becaues of it's increased DPI and it will respond quicker.
Not to mention the confidence it might bring some people.

Perhaps they are tiny differences, but for many the 518 is going to be worthwhile, as IT SHOULD be able to hold a 750hz overclock, as opposed to the 450-500 that the 510 does.

I know many gamers who can't afford to waste money , but they will gladly piss 40 quid away if they think it would improve in game accuracy.
And I guess the same goes for a lot of serious gamers.

Gamers are a putty for for new products especially when its to do with improving skills.

You wouldn't happen to know if the 1600 DPI is hardware based, or software based... would you? Also... if the 1600 DPI will be present when using USB 1.0.

Dunno on the USB 1.0 thing - but why wouldn't it?

And 1600 DPI is hardware based this time around - no weird Logitech bullshit. It'll be 1600 DPI by default no matter your drivers, which is a definite plus for this mouse, aside form marginally better performance.

yes, on paper, jamerio, the mx518 is a better mouse. however, ive tried my friends razer diamondback and mx510 and i cant 'feel' the difference between 1600 and 800 dpi. and i think my mx510 is much more responsive than his, even tho 'on paper' the diamondback has a 1ms response. well it might be due to my massive 1GHz usb port overclock (yes, i really achieved that overclock), but even so im too used to my mx510 to even want to switch to another mouse. sure the diamondback is smaller = aiming with fingers = greater precision, but i just got used to aiming by moving my wrist, which is how i aim with the mx510. i also like how the mx510 acts like a pillow for ur hand coz of its huge size... and it is possible to aim with fingers, its clumsy tho, 510 is not good for small movements which is why i have a low sens (4 in q3!).
otherwise jamerio i like ur modded mx510 :D u could install a cooler in their and have a crude nyko airflow mouse =]

if all you care about is the shape then dont buy it, not like logitech are misleading you

hm, Ive heard some great things about it. But I dont believe I will perform better than what I do with a mx510 anyway. Maby I will buy it when prizes go down.

Don't buy this mouse because you can go 800 to 1600 dpi. Thats crap first of all.

Buy this mouse for its 16bit transmission rate and buy it because the dpi is hardware based(means less processor usage)

Don't believe Me? Download mouserate and use your mx510 or any other mouse. You'll notice that the numbers fluctuate alot but keep within an average of 125 when moving very fast. When you use the mx518 the numbers barely move off 125. This relates to more consistent movements.

What does this mean? Better tracking!

1600dpi doesn't mean quicker response it just means that you will move your mouse less and the cursur on the screen will move farther.

OR: Apply the USB polling rate fix and wow, you're getting 250 or 500 Hz consistent. Fluctuation here or there notwithstanding, you're still getting 2x more (on average) for free.

Tried what you said, i have the 518 and 510, and the rate program shows exactly the same thing for both mouse, 518 isnt any more stable.
im running just the default windows drivers, no usb hack, so 125hz

The DPI reading itself in MX510 is as hardware based as in MX518, only difference there is that MX510 uses software switches compared to MX518's hardware switches (the two buttons). If you think that +-1 or 2hz is alot of fluctuation (if you got more, then there is something wrong with your setup) leads to alot inconsistencies, then you are alot more picky than aprox every great gamer there has ever been.

I hate the shape of all the MX500 series mice. I sincerely hope that they release an improved mouse in a smaller shape like the MX310.

I hope they'll release a mouse with the S2020 sensor (MX510) with a shape similar to the MX300 or the old Pilot mice. The new "office mice" shape might be nice, too (a combination of MX300 and old Pilot but with inward curves at the sides).

300 has a nice shape indeed. I really don't like the 310, the 5** beats it by far.

for the love of god. read the post titled "the cold hard facts about mx mice" and learn a thing of 2. Accell is dependent on a bunch of things. windows, registry, mouseware etc etc etc. usb also has a max baud rate (streamed data pc to mouse visa versa). I dont make them so i dont know much more but that article does, so have a read.

is there a weight inside the 518?

I've heard no.

Where can i get this mouse? its sold out everywhere :(

this will not turn you into an awesome gamer. its the indian not the arrow!

But what if you are already an indian? Then it makes you a better one.
Whatever 1600 dpi > 800 end of story.
I'm getting the 518 and some unlucky 518 sitting in storage ATM is gonna' get it:)

I just don't like the look of the MX518.

I'm holding out until May 5, 2005 for the razer Diamondback Plasma.

Getting it mostly for the look as it matches my case & Saitek Eclipse KB.

Hehe. A black case with blue lights, a black mouse with blue lights and a black keyboard with blue lights. That'd be a sweet setup :p ... Have you used that keyboard? Is it any good?

The Keyboard has a solid build & typing in the dark is so much better because the light shines through the letters.

This is my case. ASPIRE X-Dreamer II

mx518 isnt hardware identical by any means, they look the same when you take them apart. I took both my mx510 and mx518 apart, the mx510 I took apart to remove the weight months ago, and the mx518 I took apart so that I could put its grey covering onto my mx510 and take it back to the store and get my $50usd back :), fits perfectly. Only thing you need to also do, is remove the swap the chips out of the top of the cases(the ones for the side thumb buttons and the sensitivity buttons on the mx518, and for the fast scoll on mx510), they're only being held in by two small screws and its basically painless. I noticed this needed to be done because the microchip size was slightly bigger to the naked eye on the mx518, and the 2nd set of number codeswere diff.(electronics are usually made smaller after time not bigger, my mx510 is over a year old). Popped the mouse in and Mouserate.exe recognized a consistent 500Hz right away(polling fix, I may do 1000Hz later, most mx510 ever got to was 449Hz and it was never consistent) w/o even installing the new drivers, and the hardware sensitivity changes/buttons are def noticable....But all in all, I wouldn't pay for it :p you can get the polling fix here [url]http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/System-Tweak/USB-Mouserate-switcher.shtml[/url]

1600dpi is overkill for anyone other than uber highsens players. For mid/low sens players it actually makes aiming worse. Most players will want to stick with the 510.

It's kinda like the AMD/Intel MHz issue. OMG MAH PENTYUM SI 3GIGAHURTZ IT SI MUTCH FASTAR THAN UR CRAPY AMD 2GIGAHHURTZ OMG LOL

I know this might be a silly question, but is there any advantages to having a mx518 tuned to 800dpi vs just using the mx510. My reason for asking is that I wore out my second mx510 :o

518 does process stuff quicker, so yes there are advantages, but to be honest I doubt most people who own this mouse will have the skills to push the mouse where the techy stuff is of real use.


If you need a new mouse then sure get the 518, it's still better, but to be honest, if your MX510 is working fine, I would not really bother upgrading to the 518 unless you are quite obsessive about this stuff.
I'm very fussy, if something is not as good as it can be then that's an issue for me and it a variable that could be damaging my game.

Well u missed a detail. My reason for buying a new mouse is that my mx510 mouse1 button randomly skips out and cant hold a constant fire. And the mx510 is mutch cheaper. I was thinking of buying a mx518... but they are so expensive.

That's interesting. I have been though TWO mx510's and both times the MOUSE broke as I have posted several times on ESR about it.
I use mouse 3 to jump, so you can imagine how much of a pounding it gets.
And now my mx518 might be doing the same, sometimes I just lose all my speed, like I mistimed teh jump, but I keep thinking its the mouse, it's pretty bad, you should write to Logi or something.
I might its getting stupid now. I'm convinced there is a problem with them.

Hehe, its not created for hardcore gamers I guess :P I mean I played like 400-600 hours on each mx510 mouse. I basicly get all the performance I need with the mx510, and I dont want to adjust to a new mouse... yet. I believe in consistency :)

PS: I went to the store where I got it, and they replaced it for the second time, whahaha.

When I got my first 510, my mouse3 was all shitty and wouldn't click right. It felt like it was off-axis somehow and it would get stuck all the time and be off to the side, so I'd bet there is something wrong with at least the early generation of mx510's. Maybe we can get free 518's if we complain to them :P

It makes aiming worse because of a higher dpi which reacts faster. That's new to me.

I like the mouse, I was kinda forced to switch to it because I couldn't find a new msie3.0 (old one broke), and I didn't like razer diamondback.. I use setpoint 2.31 drivers, and was not hard to find a new sens at all. msie3.0 = 400dpi, and I had a 12 sens in painkiller, mx518 = 1600dpi, so I divided it by 4 and now I'm using sens 3.

3/11, no accel, setpoint 2.31, sens 3 in pk :)

1600 dpi = 1000 dots per centimeter. That's 100 dots per millimeter. How can anyone possibly control the mouse so finely to take advantage of that (and the only reason to do so is if you use a really high sens)? It's totally overkill.

How do you get 1600dots in 1 inch to be the same as 1000dots in aprox 0.3937 inches? Last time I checked 1 inch == 2.54cm.

You are thinking about it the wrong way. If you play in 1600x1200 with fov 90degrees then you will loose precision (pixels that you can't hit) if your sens is more than 360degree turn in less than 10cm of physical movement with 1600DPI. It's also that you have more chances of hitting a specific pixel when you have more detailed input.
If you have aprox 5 pixels on the pad that will hit inside a certain pixel onscreen, you might have 2 pixels inside and 1 outside where 49percent lies inside the pixel you want to hit onscreen if you have half the res. It's the ability to hit that last pixel that gives you an advantage with higher dpi. If you can get a tiny advantage and not loose anything else in the process then why not?

You are right, of course. I confused miles/km with inches/cm. But 64 dots / millimeter is still a hell of a lot of dots.

Let's do a bit of math. Take quake3. Since you mentioned 1600x1200, we will work with that. If each of the mouse's 1600 dots per inch translated to a single pixel's viewpoint shift (as measured at the crosshair), then after the 1600 dots were used up, the viewpoint would have shifted by 90 degrees. That equates to 4inches (10.16cm) for a 360, which is a reasonable sensitivity. However, how many gamers do you know play at that resolution? At a more standard res of 800x600 (more fps), now you'd only need 5cm for a 360, which is an unusually high sens for a pro gamer. To keep the mouse from going unwieldy, you'd have to lower the sensitivity, but then a single dot would not translate to a pixel shift in the viewpoint, and you'd get oversampling. Thus, the 1600 dpi would be overkill.

I figure this is why so many pro CSers have stuck with the ms3.0.

:) Should have been one system (personaly I prefer metric).

My first example was of course an extreeme case, however there are some people that play in very high res. Personaly I find 800dpi to be more than enough, however I'm a low senser. My second example is where the real advantage of those 1600dpi lies. The oversampling as you refered to it, gives you a bigger chance to hit a certain pixel because if a dot on the pad is split 51/49percent , then if you double the res (in each direction) you will get 2 dots on the pad that is not a part of the pixel and 2 dots that are.

The IE3.0 has a shape that alot of people love, that's why it's so popular. I've played with several ball mouse users that played just as well as those using the latest opticals. The small advantage that better technical performance gives, does not outweigh shape and comfort.

i had same prob when my old ms 3.0 broke (kept turning itself on and off), couldnt find one anywhere so switched to mx510 for a year and never really had the same level of skills. Plugged in my old my old 3.0 and its working ok for the moment, but i managed to find a new one by looking on ebay and ordering it from america for $13 and $20 delivery. Should be here any day now.

ms 3.0 still the best around imo.

-sas.w)v-

I think they got msie 3.0 @ http://www.maxfps.se. But you must be using a pretty high sens to not be bothered by ms3.0's poor performance.

yeah i mean 400 dpi is SOOOOOOO unaccurate!

whew! i wonder how can newbs like czm, zero4, cooller and the rest NOT use a 3 billion dpi mouse...

Hey I dont care about dpi either smartass. And my question still stands.

must explain why so many low sens players own with it. (hrm, elix from EG for example)

its all a question of getting used to the negative accel. after going deathadder, I cant go back ;)

Only if you have like a 25 inch/360 sensitivity, which is ridiculously low, does it even BEGIN to occur. Thats what it seems some people don't understand. Mines about half that so its not a problem and I'd wager a lot of ppl with great aim aren't using *>(25"/360). Even if you do have that super low sensitivity, realistically its not all that often you're going to have a 'flick shot' fast enough for it to make a noticable effect on hitting your target, and plus the usb port being oc'ed to 500hz helps as well to reduce the n/a. Perfect control limits on the 3.0 as tested by Sujoy are 1.5m/sec@1000Hz which is plenty enough for me.

heh, agreed. Especially if you are really used to all your sense settings on from your 510, the 518 actually is "faster", even on the exact same driver settings, it will move across your screen/track faster(I supposed with more accuracy, though I honestly can't tell if it's more accuracte other then the numbers mouserate spits out, in-game it is NOT noticeable since I'm a low sensitivty gamer, and I've now had to adjust all of my settings). If you upgrade to 518 from 510, It's either tweak all your settings in all your games, or change it to 800dpi :p.

I am a low/mid sensivity user. I just bought a Razer Diamondback and it really looks amazing, but not for me since i believe the Razer DB is only for mid/high sens. users.

I was thinking in buying a MX518, but im not sure if i will have the same problems than using a Razer DB.

Should i buy a MX510 knowing i use low sens. and i have problems to do a 360º move?

Thx in Advance! :P

Then why are a lot the Low Sens (PRO) players switching to the diamondback?

I would like to know if some of their settings out of interest, like do they use the Razer Driver, and do they use the full dpi and lower in game sens, or do they lower the Mouse Driver Sens thereby lowering Dpi.

atari, what do you mean? the diamondback works perfectly on low sens... infact it works perfectly with any sens.

I wanted to mean:

Using Razer DB, if i use a very low sens i cant do 360º moves, i need about 3-4 moves to do 360º :\

When using a mx300 i need just 2-3 moves, thats not bad knowing it haves negative acceleration!

You're dumb.

No, you're dumb.

He's asking a valid question (which you're obviously not intelligent enough to fathom).

He's talking about the displacement of the sensor, which will can give various turning speeds - even using same 360degree-to-cm ratio - depending on which mouse one is using.

@ atari:
Yes, MX500/510/518 will take longer for a turn than a MX300/310. But the DB is faster than the MX5xx series, yet not as fast as the MX3xx series.

What mouse is easier to do large turns with depends on the user. I find it easier with larger mice (mx5xx, IE 3.0 etc), while others find easier with smaller mice. There is no universal awnser there. :)

I agree with you that it's a very valid question, however you have to love those anonymous trolls. :(:(:(:(:(

lol, dummy

The 310 has less negative accel than 518 ?

Can't you just adjust sensitivity settings so you do 2-3 moves instead of 3-4?

I think anonymous hit the nail on the head there :P

I would assume gamers are tired of the big ass mice being made by logitech at the moment thats why people are buying the diamondback mice. Logitechs highest selling mice the original pilot mice don't have the good led/sensor tech in them. Once logitech puts good sensors 800-1600dpi in those old pilot shaped mice they will find they will make a killing.

mouse??

damn i must be in the past.. i play quake with a steering wheel and gas pedals

rofl warnell :X

btw im planning on buying the mx518 or the razer diamondback but i cant really decide.. right now im using intelli mouse 3.0 and i dont think that any mouse can possibly be better then it in terms of comftirablity but i used it for 3-4 years and its kinda fucked up.. :f

my aiming style is pretty fast and accurate i mean im always doing 360 in 1 move but my sensetivty isnt high at all.. i hope i will be able to do that with razer or mx518.

i would have check the mouses my self but i dont really have a way to do that i can only order it from the net.. so what do u recommend for me?

Hmm if you use the 3.0 for a long time, I'd say you'll have a hard time adjusting to a mx510 or 518. You could try a razer or get a microsoft 1.1 which is the closest to the 3.0 shape.

Also don't forget to mesure the space it takes you to make a 180 or a 360 to get the same sensitivity than before. Or you can try to flick the mouse on a precise spot on the map and adjust your sens so that you hit the spot every time.

lol i never understood how do i mesure the turn.. :\

btw if ill buy the mx518 ill get the qck+ with it at the same price of the razer diamondback without a pad... thats the main dillema because without the pad i would take the razer dm without even thinking but i dunno if the pad really makes a big difference.

when i download the usb mouserate switcher i cant open i click on it but nothing comes up can anybody help me

this mouse sucks dont get it guys.