When most of the culture is like that, and actual artists w/ substance are few and far between, I dont understand how you can get upset about people generalizing.

the CULTURE is not about that. the culture is about poetry, wordplay, and vocal skills. it can be about reflecting on reality or on hardships, it can be about describing beauty, it can be about anything. it is not just ONE thing.

see, thats exactly the point. people dont care to take the time to actually look deeper. there's an amazing amount of skilled emcees that make real hiphop music, but who rather stay underground because they dont want to be forced to make music that a record label expects them to make, just because it sells. and since most major music TV stations only care about profit, they dont care to show real music. im not saying its just in hiphop, its in a lot of genres. its like it in almost everything, theres so much bullshit now that used to be art. and because tv only shows the unbelievably terrible 'gangsta rap', people start to think that that MUST be hiphop because they dont take the time to look deeper into it. so fact is, stupid people let themselves get informed by television, which shows in fact far from what art really is.

Public Enemy (the first 3 albums) were the last great hiphop act, everything after that is bullshit :P

disagreed dude:P

might wanna check mos def / madlib / madvillain, some of their stuff is cool.

i have some mfdoom i think but thats not the point ;)

BESTETSTESTSTSTESTEST

madlib is one half of madvillain, so that kinda speaks for itself

and theres a lot more good stuff ;D

I don't let myself get mis-informed or whatever, I just don't like the genre as a whole and I have heard plenty of it, one of my sisters plays it all day long. This is an annoying thing you see, not just involving music but everything. Some people just wont accept that everybody has different tastes. At the end of the day you like what you like, someone is always going to slant you.

Don't get me wrong, the 'underground' artist may write stuff that is 50 times better than this mainstream crap but if you don't like the way people perform and express there art you're not going to listen to it regardless.

If you want to listen to: poetry, wordplay or the likes of "reflecting on reality or on hardships" and "describing beauty" I suggest you listen to the likes of Dylan, who did it 50 years ago along with numerous others. If you don't already anyway.

bob dylan or dylan thomas?

my real name is dylan btw:)

bob dylan! :D

Or he could listen to Gil Scott-Heron

lol i actually have an album :D

yep imo Subterranean Homesick Blues is the first rap song ever.

His whole Bringing It All Back Home album is top.

dylan is the master

When most of the culture is like that, and actual artists w/ substance are few and far between, I dont understand how you can get upset about people generalizing.

Nice.. The generes i listen most to never get anywhere close to tv :]

dnt 4get nelly who singz da rnb luvsongs

sup indahood?

a great example of what im talking about.

thanks for proving youre an idiot :)

thanks for proving that you have no sense of humor

nono thank you both.

Heres an extract from one of the world's best selling hiphop artists over the past decade.


I see some mark brand niggaz on the corner flaggin me down
Sayin, "Yo Daz, what's up with the Pound?
Is that nigga snoop alright? Aiyyo what's up with the crew?
Is them niggaz in jail, or are them niggaz through?"
i said, if you ain't up on thangs
Snoop Dogg is the name, Dogg Pound's the game


This is a more accurate representation in all fairness fella.

how many records you SELL has nothing to do with your credibility as an emcee and your credibility in hiphop.

most great artists i know struggle daily to get their album out, but what they make is a million times better than what commercial emcees that drop 3 albums a year produce. once again, another person proves my point.

All it proves is that people would rather hear Snoop Dogg chant abt the biatch he popped a few caps into last week than the poetic stuff you wrote.

no, what it really proves is that there are so many people on this planet that either dont appreciate art or dont know what art is. or maybe, theyre not looking for it. they just settle for less, cause mtv keeps repeating it to them. the way they keep promoting bad music draws the image about hiphop that people think is true, while really its just a misrepresentation.

ps, i didnt write it, its a track by aesop rock. and i know there are a lot of people that seem to find tracks filled with 'gangster, bitch, n*gga, drugs' better, but that doesnt change anything about what hiphop really is.

PUMP PUMP. Doggystyle is the best tho !!!??

aesop rock -float :) I love the whole album but practically everything post-'labor days' was a letdown for me.

Get float / labor days / appleseed in that order!

i love it :D

got his new ep, fast cars danger fire and knives?

Yeah I got it but I dont like it as much as his older EP/LP's (like labor days).

Btw dez why are you still trying to defend hiphop on this site who cares what anyone else thinks?
It's a gaming site FFS ! :)

hehhe

weet ik veel man :D

hip hop sucks.

go cut your hair , fucking hippy

long hair is cool

nee

I have short hair. It's an old pic, noob -_-

you still look like a pussy tho

Oh my, how clever.

well, it is in fact true, as to 'hiphop sucks' is more of an opinion.

plus, you seriously look like you get raped daily, so please, please, dont talk in this journal.

pop a cap or 8 in his ass g

I MIGHT LOLOLOLOL!!!111

is that a bob dylan track on your info? very good lyrics, whats the name of the song?

yeah it is, one of my fav tracks ever.

Jokerman it's called.

Changed now, btw lemme know if you down and like.

hip hop sucks.

your mom mebbe? OLOLOLOL

Yes, yes it does.

you look like a girl

plus you look like you know nothing about music anyway, lol

LOLOLOLOL

I know you wish you was in my position cuz I keep getting into situations that you wish you wuz in, cousin
I'm not your brother, not your uncle, I'm daddy, dude
Steppin' in this game and y'all ain't got a clue
My prediction is that y'all gonna hate on the style we create, straight 2008
But I know that you really can't wait 'cause people are always askin' me -- when's the release date?
Well maybe baby you can wait and see
Until then, all these Pavarottis following me
Gettin' anxious, go take a peek, I'm starring in your magazine now every day of the week
Back, then, they call me K-Fed, but you can call me Daddy instead...

wish i was black and had a big dick

BLING BLIGN!!!

lol.

ANOTHER one who proves my point EXACTLY. are all people from scandinavia morons?

yeah..

You listen to rap because it's the poetry made by the likes of yourself?

hip-hop is about cock suckers

what do you listen to then?

That question sounds as if there is nothing else to listen to but hip hop, which in turn makes you sound like a fucking dumbass. Thank you for your time.

dude, are all scandinavian people morons?

Yeah..

I listen to psytrance, electronic chillout/dub and classical.. Any opinions about that?

i like it when its combined with other types of media, like movies etc, but i never really got into it because it doesnt really expand my mindstate. thats my opinion tho, im not saying one type of music is better or worse than another type, just saying its not really my thing.

hihi

its the same swedish guy you have been disagreeing with the whole time :D

yes, yes it is.

quasiomotizzle

hip hop is for wiggers, and the lyrics you posted here are laughable. :/

feeling misunderstood? aww.. good.

hiphop is for wiggers.

dude, seriously, jump off a bridge for being a moron.

laughable?

you dont even understand them, how dare you call them laughable? i bet youre some type of typical rocknerd that listens all day to 'OOH MY LIFE IS BAD MY LIFE IS BAD' or some hideous metalmusic.

dont talk about stuff you know nothing about, and drop the 'funny' internet attitude cause youre a fucking idiot.

true true

aesop rock is indeed a really skilled poet , imho "labor days" is hist best album

and quasimoto do yourself a favor , and just ignore morons that just try to be funny on the internet by posting bullshit about some kind of music, since they will just come up with some more "funny" comments, instead of attempting to make a discussion

yeah :) hes fucking awesome

yeah , i guess youre right. i didnt really want to start a discussion anyway, cause alot of these kids here will do anything to forget their normal lives and be a real someone on the internet, haha

"so sick of people who always seem to think hiphop is about gangsters, money and bitches. if you know nothing about it, dont talk about it, morons."

Don't make me laugh........90% of all hiphop is about the above mentioned subjects, so generally speaking they are right. You call people 'idiots' and 'morons' but i think the only true moron must be you if you think hiphop is such a deep musical genre filled with poets and masterfull artists lol.

90 % of the hiphop that you know is about this ... but be happy with your opinion

So what's your point? Offcourse i don't know all hiphop but i know enough to make make an estimate. I have about 15 gb of 'hiphop' on my hard disk and i love it. But the fact is that a vast majority (maybe not 90% but that was just a number) just is about gangsters, money, bitches, guns, hood violence , drugs etc. etc. Offcourse there are loads and loads of exceptions on that rule, but that is besides the point.

So when people "seem to think hiphop is about gangsters, money and bitches" they are actually right, generally speaking. So i don't need some self-proclaimed hiphop expert telling me i'm a moron.

Offcourse there are loads and loads of exceptions on that rule, but that is besides the point.

dude, youre totally contradicting yourself. theres a LOT more GOOD hiphop than there is bad stuff. you just gotta look for it. if youre satisfied with bullshit, ok, but dont think you know about hiphop just because you listen to 50 cents latest album.

selfproclaimed hiphop expert? i know what im talking about, and im sick of all these people who turn on their television, see some crap video filled with naked girls and 'pimped' cars and think THATS hiphop. that is my point.

You got served.

Was just checking this journal thread off hand
but I had to intervene to say something on this particular part.

you did get served :(

where did I tell that you are a moron ? I enjoy listening to a wide range of different music. I just said that people who claim that "their" style of music is way cooler than another style of music, and just come up with stuff like "Yoyo gansta fo'shizzle lolol metal is so cool and because of that hiphop suxx lolol" are narrow minded (or morons or however you wanna call them)

You got served too.

Hiphop sucks, wiggers.

the assumption that anyone who is white and listens to hiphop immediately acts like he or she is black, proves once again that you know nothing about the subject

i know you think youre funny and stuff on the internet, trying to annoy everyone, but in fact you get laughed at. you somehow know how to prove everything im saying to be true (as in, thinking you know but really just talking with cliches). so congratulations, you are in fact the biggest loser ever. not that your picture didnt prove that already, haha. do you ever get girls, or only the ones who dont shave their armpits? moron. either cut your hair, or go play some guitar with your brainless friends who listen to music that sane people cant stand listening to. but dont ever talk about hiphop, come to a hiphop concert and try being funny if youre so cool on the internet. loser.

calm down, you are just feeding the troll

don't tell him to calm down man, he cracks me up :)

youre the one whos getting cracked up about dude :P

seriously, if you wanna be a funny guy and talk to me on the same level then at least remove your picture cause everytime im looking at it im wondering if youre a girl or a guy, hahaha,

That's quite some level your have there.

thats quite some english

do you listen to scandinavian deathmetal mebbe? LOLOLOL BOMB SCANDINAVIA FOR HARBORING FUCKTARTS

That's quite some example of your "high level" of conduct. Awesome!
And no, it's mainly shoegaze and post rock that I listen to.

i dont have conduct for people that cant respect other peoples opinions.
so, tell me why 'post rock' is better music than hiphop, then.

It has no fucking lyrics for one.

ahahhaa.
and you think that is a GOOD thing?

Hell yeah.

well, i guess that explains everything.

proper brainless.

"Proper brainless" hahahaha, go write a poem?

hahahaha go get the FUCK out of my journal plz? jesus christ horrible hippy head go get a fucking haircut looooooooolololol

write a blog.

you look more like the type to write a blog.

EMO MEBBE LOLOL!!!

Sorry but you don't know what emo is. Bye bye

this is awesome
maybe continue plz?!

YO MAmA! HALOLOL!!

I agree with the topic starter that apart from the crap large music chanels play, there's a lot of quality hiphop which isn't just about sex, money and violence* . But what's the use of posting a topic to try and convince people to look beyond the obvious? It's nearly impossible to change peoples oppinions, because opinions are often based on emotions and not facts or knowledge.

Not liking hip-hop is a preference, because music taste is just a subjective experience. However, saying hip hop is crap solely because of the lyrics and a lack of familiarity with the genre is irrational.The lyrics of most popular music in general isn't of a high standard (e.g. "Hit me baby one more time", and still she makes millions).
When first hearing a song it's almost always the musical composition which makes you enjoy it, not the lyrics . The respect for the musicians poetical skill comes later when you start paying attention to the details of a song.Because of this it's reasonable to state that everybody at some point in their lives listens to at least one song which can be said to be of a low standard if you purely judge it on the lyrics. I think if proved the statement "rap equals crap" to be wrong. I prefer the statement "rap can be crap", just like the statement "scandinavian doom/death-metal can be crap " etc..

P.S. Songs with fancy lyrics don't have to be good per sé, and in fact there are no objective standards to truely judge a song on quality.

* prove: Talib Kweli, Common, Cannibal ox, Aesop Rock, EL-P, Mos Def, etc.

i agree exactly :) but its harder to prove it is better music and using the musical composition as an argument when writing about it, hehe. but i agree, the composition is what you normally listen to first, then the voice and skills of the emcee, then the lyrics.

rap can be crap indeed, but it depends on the listener to choose what he or she listens to. but you can never form a just opinion when you dont listen to BOTH things.

thats why i hate it when people bash hiphop using all the mtv-cliches ('bling bling, westside whatwhat!!') when the music i LOVE is so represented and far from all that bs.

* ps: def jux rules indeed :D

nice posts, I really agree with you

Oh and LuKrek, you're really pushing the boundaries of physics. Such a high density of stupidity is bound to create a black hole....hippy.

yeah, why isnt there a delete button option in journals ;/

but w/e, hes just a loser, dude just look at his picture haha :D

that also came to my mind after reading his posts :)

Go shoot some ganztaaaah? T_T drugz n bithez R KEWL!

Ok, I am getting tired of this intelligent hip hop bs. Rap was invented by a bunch of undereducated drug dealing colored guys living in a typical american ghetto. Couple years later, bunch of bored euro kids stole the basic concept and tried to look cool by making pseudointelectual lyrics ever since. Write poetry or make music, do not mix it together just to legally wear a crooked hat and pick up nasty chicks. Oh and you will never become a culture, you will grow up instead.

ahahahahahahahahahahaha.

jesus christ, you are the stupidest person EVER to talk about hiphop and youre neither american NOR european, so how the fuck would YOU know? hiphop is already a culture, stupid fucks like you just dont know, haha.

Czech republic is a part of EU and I lived in the USA for a year (imho long enough to know how gay rap turned ever since Snoop Dogg was born).

yes, and snoop dogg represents hiphop.

go fish.

To many Americans he does.
/got bored and quit flaming

to many american mainstream listeners, maybe.

to the rest hes just shit.

and how do you come to your conclusion that a "bunch of bored euro kids stole the basic concept and tried to look cool by making pseudointelectual lyrics" .... all the artists with "intelligent" lyrics that I know of, are born and live in the US, for example the artists/groups that quasimoto already mentioned in this thread .... this just proves the degree of your "knowledge"

http://www.chatman.nl/videos.asp?video=31FE0B...2770251553

HAHAHHA! Awesome!

hAHAHAHAHAH YOUR PICTURE IS STLL THEREL OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

that's some level you are showing off there. must be hard to keep a conversation going when people aren't quite at the same level!

yeah, its real hard to talk to mentally challenged people like you.

More of your astounding level, nice work

why do you still bother replying, everyones laughing at you already.

just like in real life, huh;D

You are way too easy to troll, not even funny anymore. Get a hobby, gangstawannabe.

get a haircut, rockstar wannabe LOOOOOOOOOOOL

Nice one.

Again an partly unneccery but vital addition to this part

he is right :(

lol.. just when i thought it couldnt get any worse you start posting

bunch of euro kids stole the concept? you have no clue what you are talking about

Am I the only one who clicked on this post thinking it was by K-Dawg?

In the whole, great that you love and care about something.

Then, people can argue about how bright it is to bring up a subject as this on a site as this, but I can still buy it since I guess I know the thoughts behind it.

But. Think you made an idiot out of yourself a bit too many times. Granted, people did (however far from unexpectedly) get in there and troll, but while some people like luKrek start off on the losing side (no offence) trying to be funny (with varying success), you just flowed along and went mental contradicting yourself.

"Real Hip Hop is poetry and skills etc and can be about describing beauty or anything."

Fair enough. Looking at your replies to luKrek and HolyFather though, I see no understanding from you either if f.e some one would say that he listens to old Black Metal records - which is for most serious listeners very emotional and skilled.

"Emotional? Lyrics about the devil and crap like that?" Well, emotional, rhyming about treating women like shit and killing people?

NO, all Hip Hop isn't like that which is your whole point, but not all Black Metal is "Rawr satan crush christians aaarrr" either. Sometimes it can be just generally depressing emotions (which some people like sometimes and is quite common in Hip Hop, especially in the kind of underground stuff you talk about and also was the first thing I thought of when I saw your initial post) and sometimes it can feel very powerful and strong, even give that kind of "hope"-feeling. Heard many beautiful keyboard/piano tracks aswell. I doubt you've spent a lot of time thinking about this, probably haven't heard a lot of Black Metal and definately not compared to how much there actually exists in all the deepest 10-tape-copy undergrounds, and you don't understand. I don't think you care to be educated either.

Woah, guess what people who heard a few "Yo yo mutha, gun' bang ya hoes"-tracks think.

"Skill!? It's like a couple of chords distorted to hell with some grunting-voice dito!" ...bet you heard this one before: "Skill!? It's like making up some rhymes and talking it to a loop!"

Your whole point is, and I quote: "if you know nothing about it, dont talk about it, morons."

Best heed your own advice. And stop talking shit about how people look, first off you're not showing yourself (no, not asking you to upload a picture) and secondly nobody as deep and poetic like you should give a fuck, because - God forbid - you're not in any way shallow and have problems seeing through the (mainstream/common) surface, right!?

I say keep on listening to your stuff and promoting it but don't try to force stuff on people - especially not the people we shouldn't respond seriously to at all (but just can't help to), the trolls :)

If it bears importance, I listen to music providing the desired emotion at the time not really caring about genre, but generally listen mostly to/enjoy playing different kinds of Metal and only really immediately frown upon "Jazz" as it to me (so far) never gave me an interesting feeling or stimulated me in any way - but I don't tell people to stop listening to/play it as they clearly see something I don't.

Sorry if it came off very aggressive, guess I was raged by your anti-long-haired-posts :p

i love this guy

it was never my intention to bash metal music or anything, i have respect for all music, as long as the person i talk to doesnt say 'my music is better than yours!!!'. i agree that lukrek dude is an idiot, everyone on this site knows that already, hehe.

i really dont know a whole lot about metal, maybe the loudness of it kinda turns of me off it. but youre right, i never shouldve talked about it when all i hear from it is in fragmovies ;D so sorry.

long hair can be cool tho.

if it doesnt automatically make you look like a girl ;D

Know what? You got served.

god i am getting drawn in to this...

"long hair can be cool tho."



... i thought we werent talking about what is cool to do or its variants? isnt that a completely self contradicting sentence to the points you so pursued until now?

wtf?

Whoohoo I'm mentioned.


Nice post though, served him good.

i think youre the only who getting 'served' or whatever that means. he and i can talk on the same level, you are just here to troll and be annoying. but i guess youre not smart enough to figure that out for yourself yet, haha.

Haha, your level is exactly what he is talking down on, dumbass >_<

dude, haha, i could go on replying, but with every reply you tend to get more and more laughable and stupid. so here's a tip: go bother someone else and get a haircut, you might actually get a girl that doesnt have longer armpit hair than you do.

I'm sorry to say this but I already got a haircut, sorry. And I like boys.

EXPLAINS EVERYTHING.

Ah, so your level is the same level as a redneck homophobe.

what is wrong with long hair?

nothing, if it fits you.

its cool on some people, but not on this little moron who gets beat up at school every day ;DD

Wow, all you say is true! since I don't even go to school, nice one.


[02:34:30] <Guruchild> YEAH YEAH YOU HAD A ROUGH LIFE AND NOW YOU CAN RHYME BASIC WORDS
[02:34:34] <Guruchild> here's your fucking medal :(

another person that obviously doesnt know what hes talking about.

gg people, prove yourself idiots even more!

[02:34:30] <Guruchild> YEAH YEAH YOU HAD A ROUGH LIFE AND NOW YOU CAN RHYME BASIC WORDS
[02:34:34] <Guruchild> here's your fucking medal :(

it goes a lot deeper than that but you prolly wouldnt understand that anyway.

Like the lyrics you posted? They were made from the java goth poem generator =(

yes, sure.

im not saying what ive posted is automatically EVERYTHING hiphop, its just to show that its an artform of words that can be practiced in a lot of different ways. but then again, aesop rock is a great lyricist, and just because you dont understand it, doesnt make it bad.

Lyrics annoy me. It taked away the focus from the MUSIC. I like MUSIC. Not poetry. I hate poetry, and your hiphop is psuedo poetry, which makes it fucking aweful. thx and goodbye

lol

if you seriously cant understand that vocals are a PART of music, youre a fucking idiot. indeed, goodbye.

yeah, the VOCALS. vocals =! lyrics

you will never get it.

kbye

You are way too easy to troll. Putting you on ignore so I won't waste my troll skillz on you anymore

youre making a fool out of yourself. call it in whatever cool terms you want, but you end up losing anyway :)

some fucking human being polluting an otherwise beautiful piece of music by barreling on about love, shit he hates, life, whores, drugs, what the fuck ever... that's called noise, not music.

lmao @ revive

Who the fuck bumped this

lmao@america(n anonymous)

dezje, bro !