g_spawnType "0" // keeps standard Q4 gameplay
:(
but rest is fine imho (concerning the 1on1 cfg)

g_maxRespawnTime "10"

Not 1 like in Q3 TDM? (10 can kill comebacks imo)

as I said we did not want to change too much from vanilla q4 for now. the mayjhem about xbattle altering the actual gameplay was very negative here before.

we will maybe do that in future releases of the CFG`s if clans and players demand it.

Perhaps do a vote (on cb ec/oc) on the spawn times as I don't see them as core gameplay like the stair/box jumping.

we will do that, that was the intention ;)

we just needed to get the v1 of the configs out first, because there are still matches this week.

was this a joke?? if so well played

ehm spawntime has much more effect on gameplay then a boxjump does.

I said core gameplay, movement/weapons/item spawns/armour/health/powerups/maps is wht I consider core gameplay.

Respawn Time 1. Nothing to add. Or maybe you prefer to spec people not actually playing because waiting for the spawn timelimit?

too bad no stairjumps, but nice!

q4max please ;(

there is not a single reason to use Q4MAX over Xbattle except for the fact the CPL uses Q4MAX ;)

if reasons to use Q4MAX become technically obvious at a later point in time, we will ofcourse switch.

but for now, Xbattle offers more, especially in CTF and TDM gametypes.

Well, I can think of one thing to use XBM instead of Q4Max (besides the crappy naming); with XBM you at least have the option to enable/disable whatever you think needs to be done so or whatever CB players want. While with Q4Max you are depending on arqon to make the best dicisions. Both mods will be great though, and I think US will use Q4Max and the euros XBM.

agreed, xbattle owns :D

Isn't GGL using Q4max aswell?

Yep, good luck to the winner of Q4 1v1 EC-winner against the GGL's 1v1-champion. Can anybody guess which mod will be used in that duel?.

well I bet it'll be q4max at the finals just ot make things easier on the americans as usual xD :)))))))

Since im not a fanboy of any of these mods and im totally uninformed: What kind of advantages are there in favour of xbm?

a lot more is customizable on server side aswell as client side.

client side:
- fully customizable enemycolors and teamcolors for torso/arms/legs
- nosmoke and such things for several weapons
- a lot more, but read the readme ;)

server side:
- SG bugfix votable on and off (it`s fixed to OFF in q4max)
- stairjumps switchable on/off
- boxjumps switchable on/off
- reports game-time and scores to IRC bots (q4 out of the box doesn`t do that, just try with ASE)
- a lot more, just read the readme ;)

these are just some things for now, a lot more is mentioned on the xbm readme. I am sure that Q4MAX will feature a lot of this stuff in the future, too. Just for now xbattle is slightly ahead.

Not to mention q4max hasn't been officially released to be used on servers etc.

yes ofcourse.

spawn farthes like quake4 default is crap though. it makes comebacks on some maps almost impossible. I loved great comebacks due to clever spawnfragging like in ztn or pro-dm6. of course it should not go as far as it did on dm_psycho in pk, but quake without spawnkilling wouldn't be the same.

we are open to suggestions for future versions of the CFG`s.

thanks for the input

server snapshot delay lower.

You know what? I don't care which mod is used in the end as long as the gameplay for both main mods will remain the same. As in, q4max plays the exact same way as xbm.

What we have now, is q4max having the SG and spawn bug fixed, and xbm having the sg and "hb bug" fixed. No mentions of a different spawnsystem, which GREATLY changes the way people play a map.

well, read the readme files of xbattle and then you know which spawn systems are available

xbattle right now uses "spawn farthest away from killer" which is q4 default (afaik!). but well go read the readme ;)

Yes, and the q4 default system is flawed. Q4Max fixed that flaw, I don't know how the spawn system in q4max works now but it can't be worse than Q4's default.

If we would know what they use, then we could build it in.but for now we let the community the chance to try out different spawn systems before we make a final decision and split the community if its different from q4max.

Why am I laughing so hard when I see you say "split the community".

Sorry, but ROFL. Very funny man.

Have you ever played osp ? I think there was a million more options in there and it didnt split the community.And you know why ? Because you could vote them off or on and people decided on defaults.cpma and osp had Clan arena modes , instagib and you could vote pm/CQ3 and all that things .Did that split the community? no! But forcing some settings which wont be available in the exact same manner in another mod doesnt split it what ?

Quake 3 wasn't played because of money. Quake 4 is.

not by everyone..

There are some people actually playing the game because they enjoy it and not because its the thing to do to make a quick buck..

Yeah so? The competitions is what it's all about.

so wrong..

Most of the options in OSP were to try and get everyone to play under one mode (CA/FT/CQ3/PM/Insta). And none of those were default :/.

yea when you look at the cooller demo versus hunter (i think) on phrantic you will see why spawn farthest sucks.
You can say 'who cares..thats only on phrantic', but that is one of the 4 most played maps so yea i care!

That was beta phrantic and map had 2 spawn points. The situation ain't that bad nowadays, not even phrantic :P

yea but that dont change the farthest spawn on the map.
i usually play q4max so im not even sure if im not talking shit tbh =P

OT: Cooller said you don't like the speed of q4. Is it true, Voo? Are you going to compete in this game?

considering fnatic announced their team with vo0 in it, and vo0 is participating in both EC's i guess there's only one answer to that?

i just want 1 mod! *cry* :(

It seems like not much has changed aside from fast weapon switch if using the CB 1v1 config. I would at least change the player spawn time to something like 5 seconds and fix the adjust g_spawntype because from what i read the respawn code in Q4 is indeed bugged.

the standard max spawn is 12.5 seconds as I found it on the web. so 10 seconds is already slightly lower.

but as I already said, we will release new versions of the CFG`s if there is popular demand.

this is popular demand, so where is v2?

removing stair jumps? wtf is wrong with that lol? dumbest thing so far this year.. bet u cant even name ONE good reason to turn that off?

but oh well, guess some ppl like stumbling up the damn stairs.. gg

It is a gameplay change not caused by a bug (Like the SG exploit) and is therefore changing the gameplay from VQ4 to XBM, I don't know about you but my team entered a VQ4 TDM cup.

are you telling me it was intended?

It wasn't intended but it wasn't a bug.

ok, define me what's the difference between a bug and a not intended feature?

the SG bug could be labeled as "not intended but not a bug" so i think its kinda bullshit.

A bug is something where the code acts incorrectly. Something not intended was where they coded it like that but didn't realise it would have that effect. In this case Raven didn't realise it would mess strafing on stairs up.

Raven also knew about this and they didn't change the code but did the ramp over stair fix thing on staircases suggesting the code was not bugged.

alright, why are some staircases jumpable? why are some not? why does this "not intended feature" not always show up but are you able to jump on the stairs sometime?

I can only see a bad thing about these stairs, because i have over the edge in my mind, and thinking of it in a 1v1 setting, it makes a map more campfriendly, since if you go for the hyperblaster, you can't jump, makes it easier for the camper @ ledge. Or if you try to follow the person into the room (stairs between NG and mh room) you cannot make speed while the other person can, which again is more camp friendly, wtf is so good about this?

If i can recall correctly this IS a bug that has to do something with boxjumping or doublejumping, which was bugged at the release so they disabled these features which makes these stairs not jumpable due to a bug that was supposedly fixed with doublejumping or boxjumping.

I believe it was a swelt or teddy post, but it's way too old to even bother me looking it up, maybe one of these people or one of the members of the mod teams can tell us the real story behind these stairs.

Raven also knew about this and they didn't change the code but did the ramp over stair fix thing on staircases suggesting the code was not bugged.

It normally helps to read the whole post

Whether it is good or not is irrelevant it is NOT VQ4. If I recall correctly Swelt and Teddy said it wasn't their job to fix the stairs.

Is anyone actually playing Over The Edge in 1vs1 it sucks more than The Lost Fleet?

To clear things up, here is the reply from raven about the stairjumps :

... We clipped the steps in most cases to compensate (I think the curved steps on The Edge were the only ones that ended up unclipped), which in the end we were fine with since it made stairs and ramps interchangeable for ramp jump purposes.

Clipped stairs sort of became our preferred fix, but of course fixing it for your own mod is a perfectly acceptable course of action as well...

So it is a bug and we have now different options to fix it. And dont tell me we are splitting the community, we give you the chance to decide what q4 will have for default settings.But we give people time to try out the features before we change from vanilla default. A competition mod has to decide on some default settings but they shouldnt dictate it without having tested these things.the leagues and the community will decide and when that happened we can talk about changing the vanilla defaults to better standarts.

That dosn't say it is a bug at all. It says "you are welcome to fix it" just like we are welcome to fix the shotgun spread.

What he/she means by fix is "to compensate for how the code works we clipped the stairs" which is quite different from broken code.

it wasnt intended that you loose speed on stairs but if you do it in the code it enables boxjumps.Raven didnt wanted boxjumps so they worked around by clipping stairs.The clipping on edge produced more glitches but it was meant to be like a ramp.So basically it is broken code and just needed a fix to separate stairjumps and boxjumps.

No it still is not a bug. The code is working as it should, they did not want box jumping so they went back to old code which does not allow stair jumping or box jumping and clipped the stairs.

The code isn't meant to allow stair jumping so therefore it cannot be a bug. Unlike the SG reload-switch time bug which was code doing something that it shouldn't be. Whether Raven intended orignally to have it or not is not the question as they chose not too making it not VQ4. If Raven wish to add it in a patch then it can be VQ4.

I don't care if it is in XBM or not, I do care about it being A) Default and B) If it will be in CB or not.

who needs stairs anyway?

The bug is that you get glitches with clipped curved stairs and its meant to be able to use them, we corrected this without the need to clip the stairs or to release an update of the map.The curved stairs are bugged not the code, still a bug though.

EDIT : well its a code-bug too because clipped curved stairs dont work right.

So I can expect to see this corrected by Raven/id or included in q4max too?

Yes, or q4max coders dont listen to their mappers.

Now you are saying it is a bug with CLIPPED CURVED stairs not the actual stairs.

drop this discussion about stairs already :D

T_T will wake up tommorow with 1000000000000000000000 iMsgs about this too :(

iMsgs are fun

You're speaking from complete ignorance. Swelt's input has been considered valuable no matter what team he's been on.

your so full of a crap...

O RLY?

dont even try and tell me that running up stairs were suppose not to work..

Players want vq4 == players want to get stuck in the stairs.

I don't get stuck on stairs.

try jumping against one.

You don't have to jump for the whole 20 minutes.

Try running up them?

it`s not "removing" stairjumps. they were never in the game.

it`s more like "not adding" stairjumps even though xbattle allows it.

the reactions to the new xbattle version defaulting to stairjumps as standard were quite negative here on ESR and elsewhere, so we obviously removed it for now. it seems a lot of people don`t want gameplay changes.

ye ok, missed that vote ..

My cats breath smells of cat food.

I guess many other players would like to have stairjumps enabled.
Personally, I don't like gameplay changes, except when it comes down to change some stupid things. And not being able to strafe on stairs is such a stupid thing in Quake. I guess most top EC clans would like to have it enabled. Maybe ask some EC clan leaders?

Q3 OSP had also some small gameplay changes. In fact, the movement in baseq3 isn't exactly the same as in OSP...

Pls enable that as it's boring to WALK upstairs and this is Quake and not UT .

Enable Stair jumps,
Disable box jumps,
Enable random spawns (this to stop "controlling" of spawns)

My suggestions

well you cant enable stairjumps and disable box jumps since both are practically the same (if i read everything correctly)

i second on the spawns though

By Levi215 - Reply to #26
Enable Stair jumps,
Disable box jumps,
Enable random spawns (this to stop "controlling" of spawns)

My suggestions


100% agree

why are those files zipped? :>
[e] is there an opera plugin for viewing zipped files?

Winzip?

fear of downloading i guess :>

great stuff. oh and lol at all of the fan boys whining like bitches.

yapp props for fixing this issue so quickly

*pm_smoothBoxJumps <0-16> (vanilla for now)

*g_fastWeaponSwitch "0" (bug fix)
*si_teamdamage "2"=TDM, "0"=CTF
*pm_stairJumps "1" (0 hinders gameplay)
*g_spawnType 3 (random furthest except closest three, other options hinder gameplay)
*g_altMinRespawnLimit "1" (1.7sec)
*g_maxRespawnTime "10"

this isnt q3 :\
Why can't people just try to adapt what is given to them, and not modify everything.

yes jarno, being able to jump up stairs is all q3 ..

Hmm i think spawn times should be down to a minimum, especially for 1v1. I don't like the idea of getting to say within 20 seconds of the end of a game with a 2 frag lead and then just wait for spawn ins. I know that people do this, but lets face it, the game is meant to be played, not waiting not even in the map. People will be lame to win so we need to come up with methods of reducing the amount of options people have to be lame.

I really hope ID will makes some gameplay changes in the next patch cause I really think the q4 gameplay isnt near as fun as q3's was. If they wont, please let xbattle or q4max do it. Who cares if it alters default gameplay? If id releases a game witch could be improved by some gameplay changes why not?

Because what you call improvements others will hate, and vice versa. When a large majority agrees that a certain change is an improvement, *then* it can be changed. If you just make the effort to read some comments here, e.g. in the item that announced the new XBattle, you'll see how rare a general consensus on changing gameplay is.

Who said i didnt, idiot. I know its not easy but i think there is enough to improve on which the majority of ppl will agree on.

Why do you have to call the guy an idiot instantly? I bet your dick is like < 5 cm.

because he is 1

If there are going to be changes I want them to be done right and in all aspects of the game (Also as a single callvote).

So they coded all this features just to end locked down to vq4 in tourneys?
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who knows if settings will stay like this in the futor

Exactly.

Random guy: What kind of advantages are there in favour of xbm?

ClanBase admin: a lot more is customizable on server side...
- SG bugfix votable on and off (it`s fixed to OFF in q4max)
- stairjumps switchable on/off
- boxjumps switchable on/off
- a lot more, just read the readme ;)


Holy mother of cockshit. Somebody wake me up from this nightmare, or if this isn't just a bad dream.. please shoot me in the head irl.

PS. Clanbase admins, do whats best for the Q4 community in the long run and set aside your irl friendship with the X-battle team. Thanks.

"Holy mother of cockshit"

LOL

I got no irl friendship with the xbattle team. in fact, I am quite sure that I never met one of them irl once.

remember that, just for the record.

and right now we do think xbattle offers more for the Q4 community than q4max does, that`s it. (btw, as do Jolt League, ESL, Gigaliga, inquake.de cups etc.)

you just mentioned 3 german leagues in one sentence!

ESL is only "german based", just like ClanBase is netherlands based ...

the origin does not matter if they allow european clans, or?

XBM is just by far better than Q4Max now. And if there is any reason why Q4Max is used, it's because of THEIR relationship with the CPL.

However, erazor, you should immediately change the spawn system to "random furthest except closest three, other options hinder gameplay". The other spawn system is "bugged", because the code was supposed to work that way.

The fix of the SG bug is at least something you did right.

Maximum Spawntime should be 1, too. With the fixed spawn system, that shouldn't be an issue.

well after playing in the jolt ctf cup last night with xbm 0.10 i personally cant wait for new q4max to go public!

and why exactly?

just curious

felt like crap, the ambient light thing made about 2 fps difference over normal lightdetaillevel. this stairs jumping thing makes u jump to much on ramps.
they done something to the railgun?

just the overall feel of it, maybe i shouldnt have tried the beta q4max it seems to have spoilt me.
also the fact that q4max has all the options i now need in the menu instead of having to find out a load of new commands and then make a cfg to boot.

Ambient made the game much smoother for me but not as much as vertex. I liked gibs/blood/smoke though.

exactly vertex seems alot better.

ah i did like the no rocket and nail trail

I'm able to dodge/aim much better than before where I would get 30fps and die :(

The vertex lighting in q4max is a load of bollocks, its just an ambient light like xbattle.

I personally will keep playing q3 until ID bring the uber patch out and q4max/arena/threewave/cpm are all up and running with mods and servers up everywhere. Until then I see no reason to change game and I think that based on current stats I speak for a majority of the quake community.

for me ambientlight just seems to work like vertexlight in q4max does

I tried both and can´t tell a difference.

maybe someone can explain to me what the difference technically is.

I suppose there might be some other stuff in q4max which helps too.

Quake is about rooting through CFGs, i come from Unreal where everything is menu based, and get called a newb because i didn't know some q3 commands and was told how "1337" quake was because it doesn't have a comprehensive menu system. Whats it to be?

GUI > CFG

agree!

as long as the GUI can have the right amount of options, without making it stupidly big. the q4max beta build had a good amount, just 1 or 2 more things would be enough.

as far as I know, stair jumping is not even enabled at jolt.

Couldnt see the scores in ctf either, the ambient light didnt seem as solid like q4max

W H I N E A L E R T W H I N E A L E R T WOOOO WOOO WOOO

need timeout option LIKE REALLY BAD!

*censorship*

PLEASE finally take the dildos out of your asses and work together
we dont need 2 mods, this "my mod is better than yours and im not gonna work with you but release another version every 2 days" really stinks
kids..

ps: Zimmerman is an analsex ...

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