Will I receive points for tuning in?

You wont.

agp points thingy joke got kinda boring tbh

Actually, they have yet to vote if it isn't funny anymore.

On this week's edition of Live On Three with djWHEAT and Slasher (SirScoots will not be here for the next few weeks as he is at the Winter Olympics (there's a "winter" olympics now? c:), we will have on the new owners of Cooller. Last week it was announced that the Cooller would be changing management, changing direction and expanding operations.


AGP
GG.
P. P

lol wtf

he's trying hard to get pluses by just replacing the word AGP whit cooller because just mention cooller always gets pluses, but he failed miserable.

omg wtf lol
edit: Cooller!!!!!!1111

you get a plus for mentioning cooller

You get a plus for plusing him for mentioning cooller.

[+] for metacooller reference

I expect 3 for this:

C O O L L E R
O O _ _ _ _ _
O _ O _ _ _ _
L _ _ L _ _ _
L _ _ _ L _ _
E _ _ _ _ E _
R _ _ _ _ _ R

Damn, I overshot...

I meant three plusses. Go tell two friends!

whats SirScoots doing at the winter olympics?

Figureskating.

shame scoots won't be around for the release of cspromod, i think he's the best person to talk about it.

didnt realise they had any operations to expand

zing

agp drama part 2353463409

Is the new management AGP approved ?

CSPromod?

whats that about? the one for cs:s where arqon was involved?

yep
http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/28242-CS_Promod_Beta_104_Review

what happened to that?

it got released yesterday. as a source player i think it's an improvement, but 1.6ers seem to be close minded idiots.

another beta was released yesterday, an important one, but not the final mod or even something that will actually be played

well it's still 1000 times better than 1.03 or whatever, as in it's actually playable.

no shit

yes... the one players are waiting for 3 years

Ask them what the point was of buying the AGP instead of making a new company. Usually when you buy a company, you are buying it for the name and reputation. The AGP has an annoying smoke and mirrors reputation, so I don't understand the logic.

is isn't AGP Tour in bold?

No, only ranking points

clever, combining the AGP news with the LO3 news to reduce the amount of whine.

lmao at Slasher pronouncing Peugeot :D

i pronounce it "P-YOU-JOE" while the J has more of a G sound like in George.

jesus h. christ -_-

fuck you for having it start without pressing start, hide it or remove it

thought the same, but it in a hide tag
us annoytards at work :/

haha same thing happened to me, took me 2minutes to figure out, first I thought it was a guy I was talking to on mumble was having it in the background

i thought it was people talking outside on the streets. o_0

I tuned in just intime to hear the new manager of the AGP, Alien. Alien said, his business model is running a league with a buyin - I've got news for you Alien, thats not a business model thats running a league with a buyin. You've got ZERO userbase, You've got ZERO credability and you came across terribly on this interview - I gave Jared the benefit of the doubt that it might come good one day. Listening to you was about as inspiring as listening to an old Angel Munoz interview.

The only good news is that eSports is alive again. Why? Because there are idiots in the world with more money than sense will to spend it in esports again!

Update -
"People are gonna pay for a $5 buy in with a $20 payout People will, I'll tell you people will! "

tournament.com
prizefight.com
AGPtour.com

Game. Set. Match.

crossfire prizefight challange?

Alien has actually run a bunch of leagues in q3. If this is the same guy anyway. I didn't listen to this or anything, but if it's a $5 buy in for a team then I'd probably consider it actually. He's seemed pretty organized about running uft (and maybe ggl tdm or cpm? I forget) leagues in the past.

Soccer leagues are like $80 a player. $5 isn't exactly expensive.

post isnt html though

now if only an admin would find it and enable html. :[

luckily i speak l33t

To have the guy directing this whole thing go on Lo3 and blatantly say "If it were up to me, I'd do it totally different. I'd scrap AGP all together, but it's not my money"

haha

Alien was great. He was so truthful that he sort of took a shit on the new AGP. Awesome character, but he's no politician.

Buy in tournaments don't work. If that's the centerpiece of this business model then it's doomed to fail.

haha cs promod? they fucking up another game now? ;D

"I've Started So I'll Finish"

-Magnus Manson

Toss.. wow bro. You know who I am. You should know that I have a serious business sense. Don't think for a minute that I shared everything on the show. There is a real business model, but it's not for AGP as it is now.
Also.. to the comment about people paying to play. There are many opportunities for this to work.. and in no way was I implying that you would pay a $5 entry fee and win 20$.. :P My point was that gamers would love the idea of even winning 20$ as opposed to nothing.

If it works. then great.. if not.. well at least I have tried. It will really depend on the system and the admins that are working it.

Only time will tell folks.. but I would rather try and fail then not have tried at all.

Alien

Alien.. wow bro. there is a reply button (yes ever for those who don't register on one of the main quake sites)

gl, you sound like less of a douchebag then Jarod

.. :P

hehe at serious business sense. Tell us again how smart it was, and how much it progressed esports, when you dumbasses gave crapload of money to snoop and some baseball douchebags instead of running real leagues or pay your debt to the gamers.

What dept does he have to gamers?

They. Dumbasses is plural. I'm referring to GGL.

He doesnt have anything to do with GGL, besides being an admin for them, and has been doing a rather good job as far as ppl say. He isnt affiliated with the management, nor prize payouts. Ergo... Well you should be able to figure it out by now.

Really now? Well maybe he shouldnt have come here and tell us how we dont get it and how great HHGL and PBGL are going to be for the esports and sign he's posts as GGL|Alien?

Yeah, just like the Nazis are innocent of working under Hitler. It's not like they had a choice or anything.

Whoa Whoa. Just because he's affiliated with them doesn't mean that he agrees with everything they did. If you care about what you do and the players you do it for, sometimes you have to pick your battles.

Working for the CPL and with CAL, I had COUNTLESS admins that worked their asses off even though they might not have agreed with things the management was doing. Its people like that that keep communities going. The fact that he's TRYING to do something should speak volumes to what he's about.

Chris Moncivalles

Supporting something destructive is just as destructive as if you did it. Paying someone to kill someone else is still murder.

God your stupid :P

*you're

ouch :D

"You should know that I have a serious business sense."

So why didn´t you check out the organizations that failed applying this scheme to gaming (esports not gambling)?

You should know that I have a serious business sense.

You took over an organization with failed promises, a laughable point system, terrible website, no sponsorship, and no ties to the community. You obviously missed the part where the AGP even voted away from entry fees, merely because of the feedback on this site.

"You should know that I have a serious business sense"


oh super duper, so thats another wannabe suit who wants to milk gamers of cash. what empty promises are you particularly shilling today good sir?

UKESA Ending v2.

AGP is quite simply the worst name with the worst website ever created, trying to build off that massive fail is a fail in itself

gl though, hope you produce something great, however considering you keep the name i can't give it a fresh start in my mind.

streetrunner obviously did a name change : D

lmao@streetrunner

e-sport is a big fail and ppl who trying to not see it r prepared to fail in real life ))))

What does "))))" mean?

http://divisionoflabour.com/archives/alien_from_the_movie.png

:D

For some reason slavs don't get smileys are supposed to have eyes.

for u my honey a cz version .)

::::::

::::::) ice version? muahahaha

I see what you did there. Very clever of you making smileys like that. Did you learn that in real life?

Smile is a smile, eyes are eyes, they're separate things, why can't rest of the world understand it?

Smile is a smile, but then, a right parenthesis is still only a parenthesis. :)

a paranthesis like this for example: )

Touche. (

stop talking about big lizards!

Estonians are not Slavic...

:) <- see, we're nothing alike

I know, was hoping for rage :\

Dunno if it's any consolation to you but for a second there you had me raging...

It helps a little, thanks. My estonian e-buddy chaom1 gets proper raged when I call him slav. ))))

best part of the interview with alien was when he said streetrunner just got tired of it all and decided to quit. thx for validating the esr flame streetrunner.

other than that it seemed like a waste of an interview. the only thing fresh he mentioned was the whole buy in idea for tournaments which to me seems destined to fail, at least in quake.

ps: wonder where gillz and his eternal optimism went.

Looks like i wasnt wrong after all :D

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1814003#pid1814003

#129

thx kep

Alien here..

As I mentioned in the interview.. it would not have been my choice to buy AGP.. but I was asked to be a part of helping with it. Once I looked into it more.. that is where my ideas took hold and the idea of AGP as it is was scrapped. There is always more to the story ... ;)

Someone mentioned that I wanted to 'milk' money from gamers..
There are few people in the Quake community that can say they have put as much sweat equity and actual $$ back into their community as I can.

The idea of making a very small profit off of a lot of hard work does not sound like 'milking' gamers to me.

To add a bit of drama to ESR.. (as if it needs more).. The very fact that a gamer (not directing it at any specific gamer.. but more in general terms).. would think that gaming orgs running tournaments.. putting in time, coding, site remakes, graphic design, admin time.. etc, is out to milk gamers.. its just laffable. 99% of all of the tournaments that we have all played in have been FREE and worked by volunteers. The only 'milking' I can remember came from one specific organization that has since ceased operations with the owner skipping town with the loot.

I am not putting my own money and time into any of this to make money.. its always been a passion of mine. I love this shit.. I do it in real life as well (running poker leagues, soccer tournaments..etc). Yes, I would love to make a decent living doing it.. but that most likely will not happen and it surely wont happen unless I have a real passion for it.

There.. my 2 cents. :P

oh..cant remember my login info.. pissing me off!

The idea of making a very small profit off of a lot of hard work does not sound like 'milking' gamers to me.
i loled ty

milking cows is hard work, too ;)

There.. my 2 cents.

Expect to make that much with the AGP.

Don't let the haters derail you Alien. If you believe in helping the community and run the AGP half as well as the tourneys that you ran, at least the community should have some great tournaments to participate in.

I find it funny that all the people that are bashing this I don't think I've ever seen posting about their organizations/leagues/tournaments that they're offering to help out the community. Alien has run some great tourneys and is a great admin. That's how things start. People don't trust tourneys anymore as esports got sidetracked. It used to be about well run tourneys and then went to all about the TV shows or the presentation. If he can get it back to how it was before, he's taken a big step to getting DM games back into contention.

If I can assist Alien, let me know.

Chris Moncivalles

What about me, Chris? Can I ask for your help in a time of need?

Oh shi.. you're American. Forgot I asked.

I wouldn't post on this site if I were you. It didn't work for Angel Munoz, didn't work for streetrunner, and it didn't seem to work out to well with syncerror.. I doubt it's going to work for you :(

All you're going to get here is shit talk from lazy fat gamers who do nothing all day but troll. I'd stick to IRC and direct contact with the people who can actual help and give constructive feedback.

here is shit talk from lazy fat gamers who do nothing

And AGP does ... what? ...

I don't understand what you're trying to get at.

AGP didn't get very far with its ideas, but that may be due to financial reasons, personal reasons, or other reasons that you or I don't know anything about. I simply stated the obvious fact that this website is full of trolls who troll on everything but cooller and really nothing else. But it's okay, because that's what ESR is; it's the 4chan of the gaming world.

As if AGP has done anything except constantly "trolling" ESR with their endless promises?
ESR is not full of trolls, ESR is full of people who give their honest opinion, not trying to be polite (i.e. fake). And if you hype your organization and make it sound super-important and announce things that never get close to reality while actually contributing NOTHING, then what kind of response are you expecting?
And look at ESL, for example. These people actually HAVE DONE something good, and how much ESL trolling you see here?

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1828264#pid1828264

or ignore the stupid comments and use the rest as good feedback
or just do a good job and realize that esr isnt that bad at all, works for carmac

It's honestly a waste of time to read through all the stupid comments to find maybe one or two good constructive posts.

Carmac posts on this site when it benefits him or the ESL, he doesn't respond to peoples' condescending talk towards him.. I'm sure he has better things to do.

can you say the same for Rondrian?

most of the time the stupid post have some valid points too tho

carmac is not that active here but he commented about criticism about his interviewing style for example and gave some answers in his column. explaining your actions and being friendly pays of, i am sure. and as becks mentioned rondrian even posted about the whole av3k/cooller incident that was messed up with stupid to meaningless comments (but still was a valid issue that also got a lot of elaborate reasoning) and "it worked". or remember joe and 2gd who looked here for feedback about the stream cfg? the esl quake stuff just does it right imho. and

sure the easy way is not posting at all and thinking "esr is the 4chan of the gaming world." but thats just not the thruth. time and time again esr was thank and positive about good work and when there were a lot of trolling/bullshit going on, there was a reason for it. now responding to that kind of stuff doesnt help, but reading everything still does for an organizer.

i remember some eswc announcement news where most of the comments were about the overtime rule and mappool and some moralizer posted "esr is so shit, here is cool quake event and all you do is argue". so what? we all love quake here and are freaking happy about these events and looking forward to them. but now what is more useful: 100 comments on sk gaming (from which half of the people have no clue about quake) stating "yeah, wohooo, another quake tournament" _or_ actual feedback about parts of the tournament spiced with some flames and some messing around and some happy comments?

sure, streerunner for the most part didnt get this kind of feedback, but just blaming esr for that is short sighted. in the earlier threads about the agp there were a lot of interesting discussions going on but as time went on streetrunner took everything personal, focused on the wrong people and just didnt do a good job

t's not a site to come and get pats on the back, thats for sure. But it's a site where you can sometimes get brutally honest uncensored feedback about your exploits, and if you really have "business sense", then you know that such feedback is actually a lot more valuable than weeks worth of pats on the back. If you want only feedback that comes with solutions, hire a consultant. We are not here to do other peoples job for them.

Angel, Streetrunner and Sync all "failed" because they tried to bullshit an audience who knows more about the subject than they do.

Is it just me, or have both the "AGP DUDES" come here to argue why they are going to do well?

Just get on with your shit and prove us wrong...