I'll be back soon, gotta change underwear.

land ahoy!!

finally

hope not next year.

at this pace in 10 years ql will finaly be exactly the same as q3 (minus the clunky cpma physics plus a flak canon and other gimmicks)

Well I was gonna say "chicken butt" but this is much better.

yes, hub is a good map. yes, ztn is a good map

i dont want either of them in ql! give us NEW maps

Two surprises for Quake Live coming soon
Two surprises
Two
TWO

I thought the little tweaks ( aka randomness ) made to the spawn system would make hub3aeroq3 decently playable in ql. Now, I wanna know about the other surprise ( the only thing that could be better than a new map would be the public lapidation of Syncerror )

might just be 2 maps? hub3tourney1?

does lapidation have anything to do with a lapdance?

Considering the fact he would be attached to a pole, his attempts to dodge the rocks might look pretty similar to Rosie O'Donnell/p0rt/Jamerio trying to make you rock hard, yes. ( pun obviously intended )

new maps were delivered and guess what? NOONE IS DUELING ON THEM cos they re BAD

which maps are you talking about?

new maps were delivered and guess what? NOONE IS DUELING ON THEM cos they re CTF
FTFY.

nice catch

Nice, maybe this will get my QL juices flowing again..

maybe no one cares about you.

ouch..





ouch.

I care m8, I care.

I do. sup?

woohoo, hub3tourney1 and a new custom map \:D/

do we see the return of noctis! your lack of appearance at gdata and zotac is making strenx rich!

I don't understand how some TDMer can beat strenx

This 'some' tdm'er did beat cooller.

Noctis needed to win just 1 map out of 3 and cooller was having his 1st serious tourney in years and he wasn't at all well-prepared. And still noctis managed to win the map only with big help of luck at the end.
Anyway, noctis never was a duel star, all he has done is won one online tourney when a lot of players were inactive/unavailable/out-of-shape. He is not that messiah who can relieve us of watching strenx stacking those moneys for his super party. For that we need someone like av3k.

i dont think strenx showed the potential that the star pros have.. i think noctis does have it, if you look at his games he is very creative, which you cant say for strenx in most games where hes always relying to just outshaft the opponent.

A win is a win. Luck, out of form etc. are all excuses. It was a 5 mapper @IEM Dubai and I don't see any reason why he should not be credited for his win.

I am not arguing that he won. I am saying that players are not universal constants set in stone that never change. They change, they get in or out of shape, become stronger or weaker, etc. For example, Cypher played Q3 for severals years before he become world champion. If some player defeated Cypher in 2003 when he was nobody, would you call that player is top class now because "a win is a win"?
The cooller that noctis defeated in Dubai wasn't that cooller defeating whom would make you a top place contender. It's stupid to measure player's skill based on oversimplified "a win is a win" analysis of single episodes. If you look at his whole career, noctis has never been a top dueler.

im sure spartie and dahang will be delighted to know they lost to an underperforming cooller back then ^^

Spartie is very unstable, one day he can be at the top and next day he can lose to anyone. And Dahang just isn't a top player. It's not surprising that they lost.

how big is your group of top players?

C.O.O.L.L.E.R
O.O.............
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L.......L........
L..........L.....
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R...............R

we noticed ^^

cooller = [ C O O L L E R ; O O * * * * * ; O * O * * * *; L * * L * * *; L * * * L * *; E * * * * E *; R * * * * * R ];

Man original hub would be awesome.

is that a short version of what the link says? Couldn't open it here

no, its a joke

news is that Preacher and Hubster have teamed up to finish Waterwalk for QL.

hub1 + hubaero would be nice

new? more like t1 and aero.

#29

quake3world.com, is that like esr but for sane people?

Yes, so you cannot go there again.

I'm banished from the land =(

It's kind of a US-Guys only Forum - some very few euros there tho.

omfg

I hope the second map will be a tdm map

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omg!

I was kind of expecting this as well as with ztn tbh.
Hub +a new map, what else apart from hubtourney1 and map submitting system for ql (which would kind of be weird of him to announce as he's third party) possible?

Hub + a new map, please :)

PLEASE LET IT BE HUB3AEROFUCKINGAWESOMEQL PLEASE MAKE ME COME!!!!

Decals for your model and unlock-able rail colours.


YIPPPPYYieee

=(((

Can't open from work. Have no idea what this says.

The Hubster said:
"Two surprises for Quake Live coming soon"

<<stomps his hopes back down again just to be on the safe side

The 1st surprise is "There is no surprise."

The 2nd surprise is "There is no surprise."

One of them is probably hub but I'd rather see two new maps tbh. Still, I'm pretty excited :D

good

now we can get t9 to fuck

t9 is very fuckable

^^

in a gay way

hmmm how will ql work with the spawnsystem+hub :S

Really wouldn't be surprised to see someone starting at green armor rl with options of MH and RA whilst their opponent getting to start with a ya and grenade launcher (Y)

so its like in q3

awesome :P

True :D but if you get the kill, forcing the spawn might be quite easy. So you'll be on the back foot for a while. Dunno though, I really can't comment. Haven't played hub with this spawn system let alone played much with the new spawn system at all

in this new system, every time you'd kill your opponent @ ra, he'd spawn @ gl or upper rocket.

I was testing it with a bot. It's very easy to camp at the RG and force spawn at the bounce pad or at GA.

I don't think its even worth adding hub unless they bring back the Q3 spawn system. I would rather see new maps anyway though.

what if they moved spawnpoints?

Should hub be introduced, what would the map pool be like? I'm guessing t7, t9 or dm13 would be the likely candidates to take a hike in favor of new maps, but then you're gonna see people complaining that getting rid of t7 and t9 is stupid because we're staying to the old maps over new ones.

DM6
ZTN
Hub
T7
DM13
T4
T9

bo7, remove 2. CZM comes back and If the second map hinted at is decent, maybe consider that

GREAT SUCCESS

dm6,ztn,hub,t4,t9 ?
I believe new players would rage to this map pool

probably he's doing hub and a new map, and the second's one is going to be in map pools

btw I hope to see dm13 out

Well it's bo7 pool with removing two, so new maps would include t7 and t9 (just like now) and should any new maps arise, you can fit them in somewhere.

DM6
ZTN
Hub
T7
DM13
T4
T9

i already wrote this as a best solution. 7 maps, each drops 2 in bo3. in bo5, each drops 1.

i'd wanna drop 3 tho =/

in a best of what?

i don't care, i'd just wanna drop 3 out of those :P

dm6 t7 and t4?

dm6 t7 and t9

i agree on t7, that looks like an unreal tournament map, but i kinda like t9. and dm6 needs some changes.

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everyone geting excited about this is just silly. they give the noobies some stupid killer awards, and what about the hardcore crowd? instead of completly new maps, they took away 3 maps that were played for 10 years and now they are giving them back one by one.. dont have money to buy a gift for your child? take away his toy, make him cry, then give it back to him... we had these maps in q3 and people act now like its a gift of gods when one map is given back to us...

At least they gave us somebody to play against with the given toy.

and what are they?

I CHOOSE YOU, Eyjafjallajökull!

Eyjafjallajökull used SmokeScreen!

Whatever all those semi-ironical messages mean...

I don't see anything exciting in recycling old maps, should that be what the user named "The Hubster" is hinting at. And if the map called hubaerao (or called something like that) make a come-back, it would make for more games on maps that are not adapted to today's players's skills.

A good new map would be bigger because players move quicker, it should have large rooms so the players can showcase their railgun skills without having to fear ambushes all the time. And imo it certainly should not have teleporters which can inflict "teleporter frags", i.e. the person who enters the teleporter right after the other, gets killed and the frag goes to his opponent.

Yeah, so a small map like hub would be even faster than it was in q3 and have more action...hopefully.

dm6, dm13, t7, t9, ztn

new.
maps.

t4 dm6 ztn dm13 hubaero is the best q3 mappool within 9 years of the game. with t2 being kicked after 2002, and hubaero introduced to official tourneys in 2004. so NINE YEARS, there were NO better maps. that's NINE years of pretty much same maps. those 5.

and it wasn't the same situation as this, everyone could make a map, and if it was good enough, people would play it. but somehow 4 out of 5 were maps from 2000, and hub was a classic already before ported to q3.

now people are in shock about not having new great maps. cause they were obviously used to 500 great duel maps in quake3.

not really... there were lots of maps but noone would play them because quake players have huge egos when it comes to playing, and geting raped on a new map was just too much for them. they rather played a map they were good on instead of looking like a noob for a week and getting the hang of it. in most cases if a player agreed to play a new map with me, they would just rage after 3 frags when they made a silly mistake on a new map and get killed like a noob. then they just go omg what a shit map.. because you cant addopt to a new map after 1 game so naturaly you get raped. next thing they just vote ztn or hub so they can own you back...

that's bullshit

name 1 good map besides the known ones

lots of good maps, i will name you a few of them when i get home.. but in all of them people see "flaws" because the gameplay evolved only around 5 maps, so ofcorse when some new situtations arise on these maps, people will think theres something wrong with them, because it doenst fit into the type of situations that occur on the old maps. they will say this is not right. if any of these old maps would be introduced nowadays people would hate them, because seeing as how the gamplay was created on the old maps it only fits the old maps. people dont see this and think these maps are just so natural for the quake gamplay. NO, the gameplay adddopted to this maps and so it would to other new maps in time. some addaptation of maps would be needed too, but not so much as people think.

in all of them people see "flaws" because the gameplay evolved only around 5 maps, so ofcorse when some new situtations arise on these maps, people will think theres something wrong with them, because it doenst fit into the type of situations that occur on the old maps.

you mean something like hub? somehow that one was embraced instantly. cause it's actually GOOD.

hub was in q1 and q2, so no...

exactly. it evolved around a different physics / gameplay

a map isnt evolving and geting changed every month, gameplay can.. q1 q2 and q3 versions are all the same, so i dont get what youre trying to say here..

that q3 players embraced a map even though it wasn't made for q3 gameplay, cause it was great, balanced, fun, fast, unlike all the other crap that never made it to official map pool

yes thats one map, and they embraced it and developed a new gameplay for this map and its a miracle that it happend its not the map thats so special. the same could be done with lots of other maps but instead of embracing it like hub people say its shit. there are litirary thousands of q3 maps, and to think that only hub has the magical formula out of thousands of maps thats like saying....... we are alone in the universe: O

so why was hub an instant hit if there is 50 maps like hub out there?

now you are just playing with words and i dont think youre replying with anything that would add to the discussion.. ask yourself why hub was a hit if you are curious about things.. and it wasnt instant like i said before it was a q1 and q2 map so dont act like it was something new in q3.. why werent the 50 others a hit? thats what im saying all along, they didnt get played in the first place...

i'm not playing with words, i just say that hub is a good example of how a good map can be embraced by the community, regardless of its origins. i'm sure that at least one more would be accepted if it was as good as hub.

9 years is a LOT of time. don't you think at least 2 more would manage to become popular somehow if they had the potential?

the success of a map is not really decided by "how good" it is, but rather by how enjoyable people find the map afer their first 2-3 matches

it can be really enoyable but in most cases people want to play what the pros play. and we dont have any kind of system or inicative to have new maps tested and to have them in competitions for the pros. so the organizers will just continue to use old maps

it can be really enoyable but in most cases people want to play what the pros play.

well sure, that was not my point. but look how much t9 gets played and how much people played phrantic in q4. both maps are easy to get into and offer some cool fights from the first match on. but they arent good maps imho.

hub wasnt embraced, it was there from the start, just like q3dm6 and gameplay was created around it. now im repeating things for the 3rd time. the question you posed is just like mine. were the maps so bad that in 9 years no new maps got popular? or that people are affraid of change that out of thousands of maps none were ok to play on? think about it, hub isnt a miracle that cant be recreated, but people wanna feel comfortable in their own world that they are familiar with.

no, hub was not there from the start, what are you talking about?

we're talking about quake3, 2000 maps aside, hub is the only one that made it, long-term wise. it wasn't there since always, it's in q3 since 2004. you're presuming that all q3 players played q1/q2 also and are familiar with hub. no, they didn't.

and we have t7 and t9 nowadays, that's twice the amount of "new" maps q3 had in 9 years introduced in what, year and a half? two?

again i ask you whats your point is, besides pointing out something i know but isnt important.. did you ask yourself yet what makes hub that great if you think its such a special map out of thousands????
surely you should know all the details that make it so great??

not really. i just know that hub feels right from the start, and it's enjoyable to play. probably as all the other guys that like it. when you spawned @ hub for the first time and did a couple of runs over it you said - this map owns.

that didn't happen to me when i tested other maps. simple as that.

in all of your replys your talking like a religius nut about god : D

i'm an atheist ffs

and i just don't get the guys who are shocked about only 2 maps being introduced to a game that had 1 non-existent-on-release map since 2000.

the logic behind the statement that if good maps existed how come they didnt get popular is kind of like a chrisitan would say prove that god doesnt exist.. not the best comparison, but both dont aproach things directly, like lets find good maps or lets test shit and find this god fella.

that's a terrible comparison.

sif people didn't try tons and tons of maps.

and your argument is that its impossible that there aren't any great unknown maps out there. people tested, they didn't like them enough, except for hub. what's your argument? that there is a conspiracy about it and they are hiding those great maps from us?

here, link a couple of maps which are as good as hub. i cant wait to see them tbh.

another question to you, how many custom maps have YOU played and found out they were shit?

dunno really, i won't be able to remember their names after all these years, but i'd say i tried like 15-20 maps, ~14 were crap, ~4 were bad, ~2 were mediocre.

i looked through most of lvlworld, 99% of those are unusable

yes so out of thousand maps that means 10 playable, which already would be great and lots of others that could be modyfied to be great maps. what you need is a system that would test new maps by pros and develop them furter for comeptitive play. then these maps woudl get used in big tourneys and only then the stupid crowd will start playing them..

thats right, it should be like in starcraft where proleagues get new maps every few months ;d

Starcraft's new maps are professionally made, and the team that makes them are paid employees. Quake only has volunteer work, and not even that since the advent of QL.

I see some good points you got in that discusion, i agree with all of that.

Those pukka maps. Are they good?

dunno ask noctis

i've seen one of those in 2008 i think

pukka3tourney2

best map ever

i liked it until this :(

and you liked hub until this?
^^

"humiliation!"
...I will always love hub

I absolutley agree. T7 and t9 arent new anymore but a lot of players just dont want to play it because they dont want to learn a map.

I think dm6/ztn are good maps but to put those into cup pools is just a failure.

It's not that those are necessarly the best pool of maps, they are just maps that had advantages in terms of how easy it was for them to become popular.

T4, dm6, and dm13 came with the game. Ztn, and aerowalk were already popular maps from Q1 and Q2.

woah... nice...

OMG I'M SPRAYING CUM EVERYWHEREEEEEEEEEEEE !!!

remove dm6 and t7 and add hub + that new map unless it's crappier than t7, then let t7.

or dm6.

Shall we look out for Scancode's and Lukin's latest forum posts too? :)

Quick, someone hack into their Q3W, or even better, ESR accounts and post something.

Also replace

"OMG I'M SPRAYING CUM EVERYWHERE"

with

"OMG MY PENIS IS SPRAYING CUM EVERYWHERE"

to emphasize on the surprise. If it's you who cums everywhere you cannot really be shocked. It's not like you're like "omg I'm brewing coffee all of a sudden. what is going on? I'm not sure."

i think you just wanted to say PENIS

thanks for that coffee brewing example, need to bind it

SyncError on the forum:

This suggestion has long been heard and probably received a hundred threads over the past two years. I just wanted to leave a message that we understand the request and additional requests are not going to make this any more possible.

Source: http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php?p=358197#post358197

Mmmmh, I love how a devblog post became a vague post about hub's maps over a week.

wtf. So we're not getting hub?

edit: that post is too vague. He could mean that it is possible, and more requests won't make the process faster, or that it's not possible, so we shouldn't bother asking anymore.

no shit mate

So basicaly it is maximum possibility that hub will be included.

or hubster is making 2 new maps for quakelive

that would be awesome ;/

Wonder if he's talking about the TA duel maps being ported over, and he's just fucking with us? lol

imo they should mirror all the old maps.

ITT: QL fanboys cry because they miss the map that's been available in Q3 for years.

Fuck Hub, new maps or Pukka pl0x.

Cmon, it's quakelive. I figure the new surprises are the NG acc being messed with and weaponcolor range being expanded even further.

You speak the truth

new colours ftw

this map blows in q3 and it will blow in ql

You blow and so does your face!

not as much as hub and your mom

Cooller likes more 'intellectual' maps, how dare you all ask for hub :<

anyways, don't get too hyped ESR, save your cum for when we actually get something worthwhile. who knows, maybe it's just new model skins designed by Hubster :P

Cooller played hub pretty good at the end of Q3 era, but in my opinion he had never the map knowledge that fox, spart1e or noctis had over the years.

As for intelectual map, well hub is sooo different from the map pool Q3 had. It was fast and small so one of a kind imo. Fucking great map :-)

QL really needs a map that's fast paced and frag heavy just to mix up the games a bit. I have to say I find 'control' maps more interesting to watch, but the +backing in every map of the pool can get a bit tiresome sometimes.

In other words - bring back hub

How the fuck can you mention hub stars and not mention czm?!?

It's sorta implied. The name should be changed to czmdm1.

Cooller played hub3 well because he is Cooller.

i like hub3aeroq3 a lot too, i am just being cheeky :P

I've done my own fair share of mindfuck shots and utter pwnage. but to be honest, i don't really care what happens to/with QL anymore.

>Cooller likes more 'intellectual' maps

like t9 or swq4dm1?

So is it one of those threads that get your hopes up and then make you fall face first in an empty swimming pool?

More like one of those threads where the owner of the swimming pool promises you a massive diving board, floats and a slide and instead you find they just gave you the option to swim in different hues of yellow.

Hmm...anyway, just throwing in a thought into it all. How about the likes of CPM3a and CPM15 for duel maps? Of course they're cpm maps but who the hell is talking about air strafing anyway?

QL movement + CPM maps, if not VQ3 ones. The power ups will remain the same. I just hope QL spawn system is fixed first though.

Newer maps will have the same acceptance issues but by having a flavor of cpm thrown in ( in terms of maps), I'm sure things could get a bit more interesting.

agreed.

3a feels and plays like shit w/o cpm physics

15 could be okay

Wasn't 1a played with VQ3 physics some time ago?

No clue but if it was, they sure as hell should try some cpm maps while hubster works his magic on the rest.

YES YES YES YES YES aerowalk YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

WHERE???!11

in my dreams... just being hopeful