Awesome.

I think something is wrong:

with picmip 0 and picmip 5

hmm.... that's a default ql concrete texture. Are you using wolfcamql?

I sometimes watch demos in wolfcam, yes, also I use QLprism, dunno if that has anything to do with it

I was asking if those screens are from wolfcamql.

No, they are from QL

Do you have a standard account?

Yes

Should be fixed now. Replace the file with the new one.

lol :D!

Hahah, I misunderstood

It seems so :)

something is clearly wrong idd, 222 health??

ever tried practice mode in QL lately?

nope...

too bad we will never play it
thanks ID Soft

i don't like having a set of pipes in all 4 corners, but i am looking forward to see how this evolves! gl

looks good, i like it

the mega area feels a bit too simple though

wasn't going to download this until I saw it was from memento. I have a mancrush on you by the way. will test it out.

Thanks. My ability as mapper is more than questionable though :)

Gonna try soon! Got mixed feelings about the shots so far. :P

I hope the red-pipe concrete theme does not turn too many people down.

I wanted to minimize the efforts, but realized that with concrete only, it would have been difficult to drag anyone to test it.

I'm happy to revamp the graphics completely, if the layout turns out to be ok for competition.

no plasma? :<

no chaingun? :<

LET THERE BE NADES!

I actually like the way chaingun works in ql...

forever a minority

Don't worry, I like the CG too. :) It actually does serve purposes for different situations compared to LG.

However, it doesn't really work in a duel map imo. The CG is a weapon that is best used for taking out crowds in short periods of time, which would be in non-duel gametypes. This is because the CG has spread, which can "catch" multiple people in the cloud of bullets, whereas with LG it's impossible to damage two or more people at the same moment during fire because the beam is concentrated. So LG is more of a focused, one-person gun while the CG is better for multiple players. In a duel map though, it's essentially flavorless, although it does have unlimited range while LG has a definite reaching distance.

@OP: Will check out soon. Looks neat.

CG's unique abilities, warmup time and warmup sound, bullet spread, could make a good weapon addition for duel imo.

You cannot be surprised by or be sneaky with the CG. It has lousy damage output over distance but good output up close, like the SG but with less risk because no reload in between shots.

Sounds like a good gun for out of control play imo. more guns more fun!

It was fun in Q2! But then it didn't have to compete with the LG then. So I'm not 100% sure it would work so well in a map with the LG in it too.

The main reason I said it wouldn't really work out well in duel is because it's true niche (that is, a unique purpose) is unlocked when used against multiple players or crowds. With LG, you "lock on" to a single target to do damage, while with CG you "switch between" two or more players to quickly deal high amounts of damage or earn frags with multiple people. This is much more difficult to do with LG due to the lack of spread and lower damage output (compared to a full-blast CG)

On the other hand, since you only have one person to deal with in duel, the CG's unique purposes of killing multiple people in a cloud of bullets can't be put to good use. It's not bad in duel per se, and it has it's other distinct features, just slightly redundant imho when compared to it's usage in other gametypes like TDM, FT, CTF, and FFA especially.

Yeah I understood what you meant ;)

I was just saying if it were put into a duel map, I'm not sure it would work so well having the LG in there with it. Pretty much because LG is easier to use in 1v1, in a lot of situations it would overpower the CG just because it doesn't have a spin up. But thats kind of what makes the CG fun in duel, because its harder to use. It needs more anticipation of your opponent. Also its high damage output means when you do catch someone, they don't have as much chance to escape before they die, so it rewards good dueling skills more than the LG.

But in the end I don't think many people would play a duel map with the CG only, because they'd just play the maps with the LG instead. It worked nice in Q2 though because there was no LG.

chain and nailgun are perfect for duel I wonder why they're not implemented in new maps

I like it. This could be tourney map for sure. Need change wall/floors texture, becose with picmip 5 this looks same and and you hit walls all time... ofcors in final version add a lot of texture , architecture shit , for map to look more nice. t7/ztn mix. it's gonna be aim heavy, becose in most positions you can rail or shaft, but still better then cpm`ish shit..

this + rework the overall lightning =)

Looks pretty good. Some suggestions:

- That small fence just next to the YA / SG tanks near the elevator needs to go IMO. It is a really bad flow-breaker that forces players to make a longer detour thus slowing gameplay down. I understand you may be concerned about players getting from YA to RA too quickly this way, but actually as it is now you can go from RA to that YA just as fast - just hop from RA to the ledge, then make a left to the hallway and drop to YA. So I wouldn't worry about how it would affect balance, it seems it would be perfectly fine to me.

- There is a problem with your grate shader - any transparent shaders that show up behind it will show above the grate, creating some weird wallhack-like effect that doesn't look too good. This is most noticeable at the grate in the RA room where you can look at the MH below. The transparent MH bubble and the green effect around the armor shards show right through the grate, not just the transparent holes in it. Not sure what might cause this though. I'm guessing it could be related to "depthwrite" or "depthfunc equal", but who knows.

P.S. If you still have issues with the grate, you can just quickly grab the one used in Toxicity. Looks pretty much the same anyway.

- If you accept name suggestions, I think "Industrial Sabotage" would be a good name. :)

Thanks for the feedback. This is my reasoning:

- Assuming you mean the fence below YA/GA, it is there to prevent going from mega to red too quickly for free. One can still rj past it, but it will cost him something.

- Yes. The shader is screwed up. I put this one so that it gets transparent while playing with picmip 5. Btw if you remove r_vertexlight, the behavior becomes correct (as in the screenshots), although there is no lightmap (the grid glows in the dark). Will fix it going on.

- Nice name :)

I like it, raped crash 40-0 :p

although it reminds me a bit soviet russia :D

did u ever visit soivet russia?

No, but my parents and grandparents lived in it

so i guess saying it reminds you of soviet russia isnt quite right... have u even comfirmed what your parents told you about it?

Jumped for a few mins and here it goes:

-Some rooms for my liking are a bit too wide open (but don't go for stocky/blocky dm13 style either!)
-Weapon localization isn't maybe the best you could get, but I haven't played any single duel so I'm not sure, just a hunch.
-I get your design level, but please less pipes and boilers, it reminds me of Q4's awful gfx.
-The map feels a bit weaponless - you could at least add second rl somewhere and maybe pg too.
-Feels like there a so many corridors and corners, that you could hide forever - again, it's just a blind feeling.
-Not every platform (floors) should be hollow I guess.
-I don't like so many unused empty spaces behind those mini bars (fences) - it creates illusion that every room is twice as big, maybe adding a simple wall instead would do the thing (at some places).
-Fences are invisible or almost invisible while not being close to them:



Could be a good map, but it could be like Battleforged - decent but not liked :) Good effort tho, must have taken a lot of work.

I agree about the fences, but please don't add another rl.

every map needs 4 rocket launchers and 3 grenade launchers so they become 'brain' maps!

hmm in fact this memento map should be aim heavy like.. the small coridoors and corner parts can be played so rocket heavy and tbh quakelive should be more aimheavy imo, 1 RL is more than enough!

i know your post was sarcastic frs

Does extra rl on aerowalk, toxicity and t7 make them aim heavy?

Please fix gamma. It's to bright (like 'asylum')...

nice map man! fences are indeed invisible at further distance... teleports look like logo from national geographic channel! :D

I made an update.

- First texture/lighting pass done. I picked a "red allert" theme.
- Changed the mega room, adding a small GL/Teleport room nearby.
- Updated the screenshots / file.

feels like there are too many safe teleports to camp now when you're in the lead

Good point. Will think about it.

About your critique, there are two facets:

- A teleport adds an additional path to escape.
- If hidden in a small room, it adds a good "camp until found" spot.

The second can be fixed by reducing/removing the room, and put the teleport in a visible location. The first one would require removing the teleport.

What did you have in mind?

just remove the rooms and put the teleports where the corridors are

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52330788/shot0255.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52330788/shot0256.jpg

this way camping ya tele becomes really dangerous since the opponent can come from above, shoot a rocket and you are basicly forced to teleport up, next to the enemy

im not even sure the mega room really needs a teleport tbh, feels too easy to get away safely. it kinda feels like it requires some re-structuring too, its basicly a corridor from one side of the map to the other.

i think ztn is the best overall duel map, but the biggest grudge (alongside the massive 'brain' move of standing on gl and spamming 20 nades to mega) i have with it is the rocket tele camping. you know you're in for the gayest duel of your lifetime when your opponent is camping rl tele at 2:00 mins played

I wonder how people would react if the said camper locations had a trap (either crushing ceiling, or a floor trapdoor on poison/lava) that could be triggered from exposed locations.

i dont think those should be considered for a competitive duel map

As for the mega tele, it has a reason on its own, which is balance the connectivity to the top of the lg room.

In the building layout, the rail ya door brings you to the corridor next to the lg. I figured that leaving it open would be redundant and spoil the rest of the connectivity of the rooms involved. Instead, by closing it, it generates more interesting paths, with one problem: the top lg area is a sinc. A player would either camp there, or fall down, but you would not expect anyone double rocket jumping up.

That's where the mega teleport comes into play. It could be moved somewhere else, but it is nice there as it give a third path of comparable travel-time from mega to red.

Makes any sense?

I very much like the ya teleport thing. Will do at the next cycle.

Can you make a Q3 version?

someone post a vid on youtube of them running around in it plz

http://youtu.be/E7I39VluDF4

ty, it does look quite cool.

i like the way the tele works around mega

dont like the rail/mega/red spot..
imo it should look simpel to get it, but it should easy for an enemy to catch u there..

Can you expand the concept?

Well i think u should think the most about the big items/weapons. It's almost never on a difficult spot where u have to do a lot of effort to get it (in easy games), BUT its always on a spot where the enemy can do damage from 4 ways. So thats the point where it is difficult to get it. On this map, i saw the red is on a small bridge or w/e:D
Just place it on the floor or smt, like ztn, easy to get, coz its just a jump, red but enemy can do a lot of damage from some ways so its hard to get red:p

Oh I see your point now.

The screenshots might be misleading. By running around the map, I feel red is pretty easy to pickup. From both the top entrances, you can reach it with two jumps. It is not harder tha say, picking red in hub. Damagewise, it is also pretty exposed from all angles, as the enemy has multiple locations to hide, and would destroy you with lg, or rail you, if you are not careful. The only side it is covered is the yard outside.

It reminds me of the MH on toxicity, but I kind of agree with gooda, it does seem a bit fiddly to get to.

Really like it. Only thing I could see being a problem is MH is too vulnerable. Its lower ground and those doors give the sound that you're there. Maybe remove the door near YA room? RA is easy to get to, you don't even have to jump :S

finally got around to testing it! I'm pretty surprised as it seems like it could run well in duel. the only thing I could think of as being a negative was the room in which LG spawns, as it seems like a bit of a pointless room that wouldn't be of any use to a player. however, I REALLY like how you've set up the armors and the MH as you can attack each one from neat angles and use the teles to get to each one quickly.

Interesting map. Better port it over to q3 so we can actually try it :)

dude... its not going to ever make it to the game because quake live will be dead after 2013 for sure

please focus on its looks when you finish with the gameplay part. The only way it can make it to QL is that it looks astonishing, no matter how it plays.

Well, your map will at least be added in 2013 considering how many finished maps id hasn't released yet, for example wcp14, 2 maps from yellack, winters edge and space camp and lots of ra3 maps. Those will do for the 4 2012 patches..

Well I also checked it out, and I think it's amazing if this was your first map-making attempt. Perhaps it's a bit tight on some places, but very well done.

ps.: I made a small vid if someone didn't see it

juste tested it, reminds me of a Unreal 1 map somehow, can t remember the name.

+ items positions
+ original layout
+ First time i see an elevator in QL i think =)
+ i like the snow

- Map need more curves and more decorations it s too CPMish (pipes tubes boxes etc)
- not sure but maybe it's a bit too big for duel? too small for 2v2 tdm?

gonna test it once more later with full graphics.

what version of radiant did you use?

NetRadiant

Memento do you know any tutorials for netradiant or gtkradiant1.5 because I also have an idea for a map.

Check out cityy's list of tutorials, theres a lot there:
http://cityy.explicits.de/?page=resources

Why not make this for Quake3 where people will actually be able to play on it? On the off chance that it actually gets picked up by Id for QL, it will be owned by them and we won't be able to use it elsewhere. If it was already in Q3 first, then I think it stays free for everyone to use in whatever game (ie, ztn, hub3aeroq3)

Ok, here are a few things:

- there are a few flow issues with the map:
--- dead ends and 180 degrees turns (e.g. the LG area, YA/RG area), dead ends are very difficult to get right in a map because they force the player to slow down and regain momentum; also they are very dangerous positions (limited dodging possibilities, harder to escape)
--- jumppad and lift in the YA/RL room; I think the jumppad is unnecessary, I'd solve the teleporter location differently. A simple staircase might do it aswell; one thing to consider about lifts is that once they are in a raised position another player can't use them, this decreases the connectivity between lower and upper level; you might wanna use a jumppad here

- the floor grates totally take out RL and GL from the gameplay; plasma is weaker as well because the nonsolid grates prevent splash damage

- I am not sure I like the direct line of sight between RA and MH; maybe it would be good to make the grate part of the floor smaller so it gets harder to spam down; a lift as an upwards connection fron the MH to the ground level of the RA room might do good

- not sure about the jumppad at the RG; it's rather hard to make out where the trigger_push starts, also you can't attack people using the jumppad with the RL

- the RG ledge might be a bit small

- snow patches should be nonsolid

- you might wanna get away from placing items like the YA on the pipes; feels a bit gimmick'ish and weird

- try to get away from the box like room structure; use patches and angled brushes to make the map seem more appealing; raised height levels don't always have to be platforms or bridges

Edit:

- I usually don't like teleporters where the exit location is out of sight of the teleporter itself; can be frustrating when it comes to chasing a player because he can exit rooms quickly; also they can be easily used for conversion frags if the teleporter is on the opposite site of the map compared to the exit

That's it for now, I might get back to it.

SHITYY GRACES US WITH HIS PRESENCE!

I haz detected mad kid.

shityy, dont mad pls

Come at me bro.

oh man, i envy you about your enthusiasm...

The vertical elements of the map seem a bit too high. I forsee a lot of 90 degree downward shots through grates and that will get a bit awkward. I think you should bring the upper and lower levels together a bit.

Are you using Radiant to make this? If you could host the .map file I'd love to take a look at it.