Cool.

That looks awesome!

Looks like warsow.

its still very basic and I've used some old (but still great) textures by philipK http://www.mapcore.org/topic/13903-texture-se...-versions/

It looks good don't get me wrong.. but it just further pushes the notion to me that its a nicer looking cpma/warsow.

I hope it really takes off because i want there to be a main stream arena shooter.
Just doesn't look like my thing.

well I suppose reflex is a nicer looking cpma... but it should not stop there, it should fix whatever was wrong and add new things on top of that. This map doesnt reflect the artstyle the dev team is going for I just wanted to see if textures even work in this game :)

To me it looks a lot like Mirror's Edge and nothing like Warsow.

Have you played warsow? Not really sure how it can come across as even remotely similar looking.

I get what hes saying. Its kinda like Warsow with cell shading disabled. The textures style in the screenshot could very well be from Warsow too.

That is pretty much what i ment... also just for clarity sake i did not mean it as a negative

I played Warsaw a lot years ago, it made me think of it as well. Not a bad thing though.

When I think of warsow, I think of neon lights, and cell-shading :D

Looks more like Xonotic, they use a lot of PhilipK's texture sets most likely including this one as well.

Does it not have bump/lightmaps? Looks kind of flat.

thats what the textures currently have

texture textureDiffuse dev_floor08a_c
texture textureFresnel dev_floor08a_f
texture textureNormal dev_floor08a_n

no idea what is this
texture textureCube internal/debug/un_Old_Industrial_Hall_cube

and those doesnt seem to do do anything
float3 fresnel0 0.56 0.56 0.56
float roughness 0.9
like lowering the roughness doesnt make the material to shine.

opacity of frensel seems to control the current level of 'shines' but Im not entirely sure how they work, I had to invert whatever was in that texture pack to get proper colours otherwise they were all bland as fuck.

"texture textureCube internal/debug/un_Old_Industrial_Hall_cube"

Sounds like its either some form of HDRI for reflections, or its the reference to the external texture map for the background.

reflections are atm done by http://thc333.com/reflex/reflex-reflection.jpg :)

Product placement?

That texture suppose to be door texture but we dont have that in reflex and the texture looks kind of cool when you rotate / align it ;0

map available, updated the first post with details.

looks like u've pulled an allnighter, looking good, can't wait to play your maps

kind of my sleep schedule is very relative ;p

Looks very nice, good job. Now I wish there would be some mipmapping available in-game to make the textures look nicer.

thanks, yeah there is none atm, we'll get there eventually ;)

Of course the engine supports mipmapping. Not having mips in textures is a massive performance hit as you're paying the most pixel cost always for every texture regardless of their distance from the camera. So the hit goes beyond just some visual noise :)

DDS textures store all their mips in the texture format itself, which can either be generated at export time or made manually.

yep, silly me - http://thc333.com/reflex/reflex-mm.jpg
looks much better - will update those sometime soon.

updated the zip with textures that have mipmaps looks/works better, thanks.

just updated wtih proper textures with mipmaps.

Really cool map. Nice website too.

thcdm10 is up
http://thc333.com/reflex/#eleventh
http://thc333.com/reflex/thcdm10/index.html

updated the first post with new map as well.

I fucking messed up file structure wihtin that zip the proper should be structural/pk01/pk01_wallbig01b so files that were in structual needs go to into structural/pk01, reuploaded the proper version.

It feels like an old game to me, with better textures. It feels so blocky.. I really hope its just because its in early stages.

hmm... blocky feel is because all you can do in the editor is draw blocks, once we get ability to draw curves and we got some more complex shapes as meshes and actual materials / official textures maps will start look very different.

I wouldnt say the textures are better, they're crap and are not supported atm its rather surprising that I made them to work in any presentable shape as the pre-alpha build supports the default grid textures you can see on other maps.

you should also take into consideration that its like my 10th map made ever so the geometry level is probably on a doom level ;D

Hmm okey, this explains alot! Is it confirmed that we will be able to draw curves and all that you said?

Yes, everything will come in time. Its still beyond me how fast people jump on a conclusion :) I just downloaded some old textures that were free to use and converted them to reflex format with somewhat tolerable effect.

Reflex devs havent focused on the 'look' of the game and keep updating the core gameplay mechanics. The 'art' side of things will come at a later stage I was just bored with basic colours and decided to 'add' something just to see if it will work, it kind of did but not exactly as the part of the engine that is responsibile for the presentation is not finished.

Yet I've spoken with newborn the other day and he said that people were complaining about the AA and how the game looks where the AA issues came from me not including mipmaps within the textures and again texture support is not something that is available atm, its just my experiment.

Sometimes I wonder if I should put 4 or 5 red signs (THIS IS NOT HOW THE GAME WILL LOOK LIKE, THIS IS AN EXPERIMENT, YES IM AWARE THAT THIS FEATURE IS NOT SUPPORETED YET, etc) before posting any pictures ;p

I am very much aware that the game can look as shit and its ok for it to do so, because its so early. I also know that things will improve in time. But I heard before that they might not implement the possibility to do curves. So thats why I mainly ask. Not because your textures looks old and dated, I dont even give a crap about that.

And you really overreact at the end, but who cares.

Good to know and Im sorry I didnt wanted to come offensive. Where have you head that info about not having curved shapes?

http://www.esreality.com/post/2690966/curves/#pid2691598

I know why you replied like that, I would probably be doing the same. People today expect a alpha/beta game to be finished and if its not they will never play that shit again. But I am very much aware that games are allowed to look like shit and be buggy.

To be honest I dont even remember where I heard or read it.

Sounds good that they will implement curves! Makes me very happy! I want the game to be as deep with graphics and shapes as possible, because I want it to succed, I love arena fps :)

it is great to see much progress in this game.

map is good

thank you tehace

yw

tehace knows

You should clip the ceiling and use nolight.

yes I should :) but experiments doesnt subject to rules. I'll get to those eventually.

Just so you know it should be aren't (are not) instead of doesn't in that sentence. And I agree with the statement, it's great to get things down on paper :)

Thanks I've learned something about grammar (which I struggle with) and I have learned a lot about textures. In the end I decided to do not try to experiment with something that is not finished therefore I remade the map with proper nolight/default dev textures - http://thc333.com/reflex/thcdm10/index.html

guess we're also at normal maps wokring so far http://graphics.cs.brown.edu/games/SteepParallax/compare.jpg so you cant expect things to look good, they will once they have solid base mechanics and move to how things look, right now the presentation layer is very basic.

I would fuck the last lion in da ass. It's flat texture with high data?

we're most likely going to end with things like that http://www.marmoset.co/wp-content/uploads/albedocompare02.jpg but atm that part is not done yet therefore everything is now flat which doesnt look good at all. I've also shouldnt be using 'normals' anymore since its a bit different with pbr, more - http://www.marmoset.co/toolbag/learn/pbr-conversion

Guess steeepparalax is kind of old tech already but it was the first picture I have found to visualise what the 'issue' was.

Pbr is in and functional that's how the dev textures work.

We'll be changing the pipeline internally for how the data is stored most likely with our own packed texture formats for performance reasons to have them laid out exactly as we need.

I think it's better to be patient and wait to see than try and guess. ;)

The above is unfortunately misinformation.

technicalities aside it looks like crap atm so there is no point trying before you finish that functionality.

[+] for patience!

I hope you can make a map for reflex one day ;)

I hope so too! I'm being "patient" at the moment, waiting for the functionality to grow. :)

awesome to hear that. I suppose I need to calm the fuck down but even though you can only put blocks in atm the editor is already very addictive. Looking forward for your creations in the future.

I've sent you a link to this texture http://gametextures.com/painted-fuselage-interior-22.html on the forum if you can enlighten me on how to use it I can stop butchering your game with inappropriate content ;)

Just need to be patient mate :)
Keep focusing on cool layouts for now, don't worry, art is in progress ;)

Im really eager to try things out but I dont like any other game as much as I do reflex ;) cant wait for when art side of things starts rolling out.

Ah damnit, I had an idea similar to your dm10 :(

you can just go for it, seems like nobody is playing the map anyway :0

next weekend i'll have internet again i hope, I can't wait to play your maps

I'm gonna play it.