ESR - I've got the Habu - Hardware Forum

<< Comment #1 @ 10:31 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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fojji

wow, thats bullshit. and i think its too late to cancel my order :/

<< Comment #10 @ 11:07 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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danny - Reply to #1

same =( oh well atleast i can test it for myself, and return it if it indeed skips

<< Comment #109 @ 04:28 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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|nFin1teFX| - Reply to #1

write a review after testing it =)

maybe it aint that bad afterall

<< Comment #245 @ 14:37 CST, 13 November 2006 >>

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Sujoy - Reply to #1

In the UK we have consumer rights. For home shopping like ordering online there is a cooling off period where you can cancel an order 7 days after receiving it with no penalty. You might have something like that in Sweden too.

<< Comment #251 @ 07:30 CST, 14 November 2006 >>

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Ezku - Reply to #245

Most likely, yes. In Finland it's 14 days.

<< Comment #296 @ 14:29 CST, 4 January 2007 >>

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saboya - Reply to #1

They managed to destroy what could be the most perfect mouse ever :( Pricks.

<< Comment #2 @ 10:37 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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zengfu

does it really? can someone confirm? :(

<< Comment #3 @ 10:48 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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cumrag - Reply to #2

he just did.

<< Comment #8 @ 11:05 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #2

I've heard it from three people now. :/

Seems lasers just keep on sucking.

<< Comment #4 @ 10:50 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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Lunatic

Ehm... isnt that the exact same sensor as the logitech g5/g3 and razer copperhead? Then you could`ve known... ?
Avago Tech ADNS-6010

Edited by Lunatic at 11:09 CST, 3 November 2006

<< Comment #5 @ 10:52 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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cumrag

Honestly now... It's a laser mouse, and it's made by Razer... The only decent thing about Razer is their marketing, but even that is a bit shady.

Edited by nigra at 22:31 CST, 5 November 2007

<< Comment #6 @ 10:55 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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Lunatic - Reply to #5

this time, I was quite impressed with the shape... till I found out it isnt symetrical ;/ (i`m a lefty)

<< Comment #9 @ 11:07 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #5

Well, Razer's Diamondbacks and Kraits were just as good as MX518 when it comes to the sensor.

The shape was just not for my taste (and it lacks buttons)

<< Comment #22 @ 13:29 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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cumrag - Reply to #9

The regular diamondbacks had a pixel jitter problem only fixable thru drivers.

The krait and db plasma use an infrared sensor that tracks the mousing surface at a higher than optimal height.

<< Comment #23 @ 14:18 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #22

Later DB's didn't have that- Mine didn't

As for infrared sensor - I like that :)

<< Comment #7 @ 11:05 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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McFly

First of all: My condolences :<

Could yo tell us which mousepad(s) you tested it on?

And what sensitivity.

Thanks.

Hope you are able to return it and get your money back.

<< Comment #12 @ 11:23 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #7

Steelpad QCK+

Sens: 30 cm/360�

<< Comment #24 @ 14:19 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #12

30cm isn't even that low, tbh.

If one cannot play @ 30cm, then this is really a shitty mouse.
Bad news.

<< Comment #27 @ 14:54 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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spinmove_ - Reply to #24

It's not that low? What's average low sensitivity then?

<< Comment #29 @ 14:58 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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cumrag - Reply to #27

I would call 30cm/360 a low mouse sensitivity...

<< Comment #30 @ 15:10 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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danny - Reply to #29

I used to have 60/360

<< Comment #31 @ 15:11 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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cumrag - Reply to #30

and that would be what i call an extremely low, unnecessary mouse sens.

<< Comment #35 @ 16:01 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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danny - Reply to #31

rofl, i have like 20/360 now haha :D cant believe i actualy played with that sens

<< Comment #33 @ 15:59 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #27

I said "isn't THAT low".

I know ppl who use 50-65cm

<< Comment #36 @ 16:44 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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spinmove_ - Reply to #33

Well yea, that's what I would consider the EXTREME low end. Just the way you said it you kinda made it sound like the average low sens user was using lower than that.

<< Comment #44 @ 08:16 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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d1vyn - Reply to #36

Imo high sens = <15
mid sens = 15>30
and low sens 30>

Edited by d1vyn at 09:34 CST, 5 November 2006

<< Comment #64 @ 05:38 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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danny - Reply to #44

the latter one is low sens I presume?

<< Comment #72 @ 09:35 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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d1vyn - Reply to #64

Fixed now. You are more sharp than I was haha [:

<< Comment #148 @ 02:39 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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danny - Reply to #72

yeah, im definitely sharper than you are ;)

<< Comment #164 @ 13:36 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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d1vyn - Reply to #148

I blame it on university.

<< Comment #154 @ 07:15 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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ogre_elite - Reply to #33

I use a little bit more than 2 razer mantis mousepads for full 360� turn. That would make ~ 90 cm. I dont understand how some ppl can aim precisely at 20/360 sensitivity or higher, if u have to move the crosshair for 1 or 2 pixels...

<< Comment #179 @ 18:40 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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spinmove_ - Reply to #154

And I don't understand how you could possibly have decent reactive movement let alone trying to do a rocket jump or something crazy. My 14cm/360 suits me just fine.

<< Comment #176 @ 18:10 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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z0uLess - Reply to #27

I use 38cm for 360. In cs this is medium sens. (2.6 ingame, default windows sens). I never do 360 tho, 180 at most, thats 19cm, half of my qpad. Its really not that low imo.

<< Comment #26 @ 14:22 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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Troll - Reply to #12

skipping on cloth mousepad, thats poor.

<< Comment #11 @ 11:23 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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Cuffahid

hehe u were hired by Logitech =P

Edited by [CopperHead] at 11:28 CST, 3 November 2006

<< Comment #13 @ 11:29 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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malum

God I'm so pissed. The shape is perfect. The buttons work like a charm. Hey - it even glows.

I don't think I can send it back. So FUCKING 55 EUR for something which is pretty useless for me.

Die Razer.

Edited by malum at 11:30 CST, 3 November 2006

<< Comment #14 @ 11:32 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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Cuffahid - Reply to #13

if you didnt read this post u were happy with it, right?

<< Comment #16 @ 11:40 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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tourist - Reply to #14

it's his post moron.

<< Comment #18 @ 11:46 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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Cuffahid - Reply to #16

it doesnt mean he should be reading it n00b.

<< Comment #92 @ 17:34 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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s0n1cm4yh3m - Reply to #18

lol

<< Comment #15 @ 11:36 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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zengfu

seriously, how fucking stupid are they? can they try giving their GAMING mouse a swift yank and see if it fucking does the only thing its designed to do?

god, the monkeys that must work at razer...

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<< Comment #19 @ 12:26 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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d1vyn - Reply to #15

Very true lol

<< Comment #21 @ 12:49 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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tourist - Reply to #15

They're about marketing gimmicks for brainless fanboys who flock like flies on shit around glittering gizmos.

<< Comment #25 @ 14:21 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #15

Well, blame M$, as well.
They must have tested it before releasing it with their name on it. :)

Just like Mister Jonathan Wendell aka Fatal1ty, who obviously doesn't know what a decent mouse is either. :c

<< Comment #32 @ 15:54 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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ioz - Reply to #25

yes but at the same time... you guys DO use pretty low sensitivities...

<< Comment #34 @ 16:00 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #32

In the world of Quake, perhaps.
But look at games like ET and CS - you'll find most ppl use above 30cm.

<< Comment #37 @ 17:12 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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juxx - Reply to #34

never seen a cod2 player go over 30 tbh

<< Comment #38 @ 17:34 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #37

I have.

<< Comment #145 @ 09:36 CST, 7 November 2006 >>

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BehindY0u - Reply to #34

Q3 at 30cm/360 is very playable! However higher than 40cm for quake I find it hard for the arms :)

<< Comment #17 @ 11:43 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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tourist

Look at the bright side. At least IE 3.0 is out. :)

<< Comment #20 @ 12:33 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #17

yeah, the Habu is going back tomorrow. New IE 3.0 + QCK+ heavy are already ordered :)

<< Comment #65 @ 06:29 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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koOma - Reply to #20

That combo ROX o_Ov

<< Comment #280 @ 06:37 CST, 3 December 2006 >>

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hebi-fly - Reply to #20

truly.. the owner combo :)

<< Comment #28 @ 14:57 CST, 3 November 2006 >>

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son!

how dare those pro gamers manipulate me into buying razer products that suck!

<< Comment #39 @ 06:55 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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Hubz

im so glad i decided to get the new 3.0 and a qck heavy instead of waiting for the habu, the mouse owns and the heavy is awesome. Highly recommended

<< Comment #40 @ 07:08 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #39

btw, what's so special about the QCK heavy? I decided to go for the normal QCK+ again. The heavy seems quite overpriced.

<< Comment #45 @ 08:20 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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d1vyn - Reply to #40

Heavy is like 1cm thick. Very comfortable pad. But it gives a lot of friction, like all clothing pads.

<< Comment #41 @ 07:13 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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crozZz

U should deincrease DPI to 400 and then try again. All high dpi mouses i have is ok on 400DPI even Fatal1ty 1010 or Razer Copperhead and over 800DPI they are useless. But i prefer IE3 ;) And yes i prefer low sensitivity.

<< Comment #42 @ 07:36 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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Thorin

Razer make a mouse with problems straight out of the box, whatever next? Perhaps Microsoft will make a shit OS and logitech will release a mouse with the mx500 shape.

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<< Comment #43 @ 08:16 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #42

lol

<< Comment #46 @ 08:31 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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Logic

This could have been the greatest mouse ever, all Razer had to do was not fuck up.

Either Razer should fix this with some kind of driver update or whatever, or Microsoft should swap it's sensor with something like the IE 3.0's.

That could be good :)

<< Comment #49 @ 12:20 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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Nafets - Reply to #46

Not much point in that, there's the new IE 3.0...

<< Comment #50 @ 12:50 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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cumrag - Reply to #49

not very logically indeed.

<< Comment #52 @ 13:55 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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Nafets - Reply to #50

it's the agreement

<< Comment #53 @ 13:55 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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Nafets - Reply to #52

oops I forgotten to add a full stop.

<< Comment #47 @ 10:08 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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trinion

i dont know what people always do to make their mouse skip ... i have a g5 since it was released and never really had a problem o_O playing ~30/360

<< Comment #48 @ 10:59 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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spinmove_ - Reply to #47

You must be just moving it really slow. It would not be difficult for me at all to skip it at your sensitivity.

<< Comment #51 @ 13:12 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #48

Same here.

<< Comment #54 @ 16:01 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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PuX - Reply to #47

i use g5 and ~12/360... never seen a skip. tho, buttons SUCK.

<< Comment #180 @ 18:42 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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spinmove_ - Reply to #54

Under normal playing circumstances it's very hard to make the G5 skip with that sens.

<< Comment #55 @ 19:19 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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Anonymous (85.186.76.170)

please test habu mouse with 800 dpi!!!!
still skips?

<< Comment #57 @ 20:20 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #55

To quote some1 from hardwareluxx:

Tested with 800 DPI, CSS 1.3
SteelPad S&S --> skips like hell
Razer Mantis Control --> also skips but not as bad as with the S&S
Everglide TITAN --> same as Razer Mantis Control

<< Comment #56 @ 19:32 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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Nafets

YOU'VE GOT THE BABUUUUUUUU

<< Comment #58 @ 22:15 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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McFly

There's a guy who has posted a review on his Habu here:
http://razerblueprints.net/index.php?option=c...pic=5482.0

The shape and buttons seems really
He doesn't give usable feedback on the performance of the sensor, though.

But we already know it's below par. :(

Mere here with lots of pics: http://razerblueprints.net/index.php?option=c...pic=5476.0

Shape seems so nice. :/

Edited by McFly at 22:24 CST, 4 November 2006

<< Comment #67 @ 07:38 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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eamroh - Reply to #58

How can you expect a decent review from these fanboys?

Verdict: As expected, Microsoft shape with (kickass) Razer internals, I love it!

...

<< Comment #68 @ 08:12 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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tourist - Reply to #67

Well i didnt play any FPS yet, got Dark Messiah of Might and Magic yesterday which is kinda a FPS . . .well role play FPS.

sweet...

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<< Comment #69 @ 08:15 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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Nafets - Reply to #68

rofl

If this was a GTV server you'd get a few more rofl's, but unfortunately it isn't.

<< Comment #70 @ 08:23 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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tourist - Reply to #69

I belive lmao is in order here.

<< Comment #181 @ 18:43 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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spinmove_ - Reply to #70

LMAO!!!

<< Comment #74 @ 11:41 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #67

yeah, and he only tested it in Windows desktop, it seems.

<< Comment #75 @ 11:55 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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d1vyn - Reply to #74

Hardcore tester.

<< Comment #59 @ 23:53 CST, 4 November 2006 >>

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symbol

habu with mx518 sensor. mm <3

<< Comment #80 @ 13:38 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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wata - Reply to #59

mx518's refresh rate is 125Hz, and that's shity.

<< Comment #87 @ 14:58 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #80

3rd-party-tool patchable. Might be shitty if your CPL player. But I guess u aint.

<< Comment #103 @ 22:41 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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wata - Reply to #87

no it ain't patchable, it's 125Hz and can't be oc.
and 125Hz means you have 8ms of latence, SO IT'S SHITTY, got it ?

<< Comment #120 @ 11:13 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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d1vyn - Reply to #103

It ain't patchable wtf? Why am I using my MX518 at a pretty darn stable 500hz? ITS A KIND OF MAGIC!

<< Comment #127 @ 12:36 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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wata - Reply to #120

ok mr genius, it's your usb port you have OCed, but the optic of your mouse still send datas at 125Hz.
so I guess your talk IS A KIND OF BULLSHITS.

ha, and you can put back your usb ports to 125Hz, cause it's fooooocking useless for a mx518.

<< Comment #129 @ 13:22 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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Space Cowboy - Reply to #127

Agreed, because laser mice with built-in 500Hz polling are SO much better.

<< Comment #130 @ 13:37 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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wata - Reply to #129

I personnaly play with joypad, that's SO INCREDIBLY a giant step forward in gaming confort.

yes, a mouse with a refresh rate of 1000Hz (when it works properly) is better than one @ 125Hz, what's so hard to understand ?

<< Comment #131 @ 13:48 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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Space Cowboy - Reply to #130

True, a mouse with built-in 1000Hz will be much better than one with 125Hz, if only on the smoothness side of things. The problem is that mice like the CH/Habu and G5 that DO come with increased polling have much greater problems to worry about, like actually tracking properly on any speed - something that reliable-sensor mice like the DB/Krait/MX518 can pull off despite the Hz limitation.

So yes, the MX518 may be OMGLOL!!125Hz out of the box, which is amendable by said USB patch, but find a laser mouse that isn't ROFLCOPTERTRACKING whose sensor is shite to begin with and even McFly will be among the first to buy it.

Edit: SpaceOrb!

Edited by Space Cowboy at 13:50 CST, 6 November 2006

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<< Comment #132 @ 14:04 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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wata - Reply to #131

I didn't say habu/g5/CH were good mouses, I don't even give a shit about it.
too bad these mouses are shit, but maybe one famous day there'll be one which works properly@1kHz, and then mx518 and others mouses@125Hz could get the fuck out of stores.

<< Comment #135 @ 14:21 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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Space Cowboy - Reply to #132

So basically you're holding your breath on 1KHz mice and rejecting 125Hz mice just because they aren't, despite the fact that they work near-flawlessly at that rate? Your cash, I guess.

<< Comment #136 @ 14:54 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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wata - Reply to #135

I'm just saying that put an optic of mx518 in habu is stupid. better put an optic@1kHz that works, and don't tell me it's impossible to create one that isn't fucked up.

I have a mx510, 125Hz powered blabla, ok it works fine, but I wish it was@1kHz, could you let me fucking be me and my wish ? thx.

<< Comment #182 @ 18:45 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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spinmove_ - Reply to #131

lol, ROFLCOPTERTRACKING

[+] 4 u

<< Comment #247 @ 01:58 CST, 14 November 2006 >>

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wata - Reply to #131

"the MX518 may be OMGLOL!!125Hz out of the box, which is amendable by said USB patch"

no it's not, it's 125Hz and cannot be changed with a "usb patch".
you're confusing refresh rate of USB ports (which are OCable) and refresh rate of the mice's sensor.

<< Comment #139 @ 19:27 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #130

Which gamepad?
What game do you play with it?
You use it for WASD, right?

(Yes, I'm serious. I'm messing with gamepads/joysticks myself to lessen strain on fingers)

<< Comment #142 @ 00:18 CST, 7 November 2006 >>

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wata - Reply to #139

Sorry, I was ironic when i said I play with a joypad, I play with a mouse except for car's games (got a joypad logitech dual-action for it, that's not a great pad, but it's ok for his cost), can't help you.

<< Comment #294 @ 14:31 CST, 2 January 2007 >>

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Zanno - Reply to #139

maybe you should turn your sensitivity up

<< Comment #295 @ 04:50 CST, 3 January 2007 >>

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McFly - Reply to #294

Doesn't work properly with dodging (UT) ;/

<< Comment #123 @ 12:26 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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ioz - Reply to #103

im sure 8ms of latency is making you lose all your games

<< Comment #128 @ 12:37 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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wata - Reply to #123

ok, you're gonna tell me "it's so cool to have +8ms" too ? dumbass.

<< Comment #242 @ 06:50 CST, 13 November 2006 >>

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ioz - Reply to #128

dude no all i want to say is that ZOMGNOEZ +8MS is something that you care about only if you're excessively pedantic (anal) about mice.

<< Comment #243 @ 14:06 CST, 13 November 2006 >>

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wata - Reply to #242

ZOMGBBQWTFFTW YU'RE SO RIGHT, or not. dumbass.

<< Comment #244 @ 14:19 CST, 13 November 2006 >>

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ioz - Reply to #243

excellent argument.

<< Comment #246 @ 16:01 CST, 13 November 2006 >>

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wata - Reply to #244

I'm telling using a 125Hz optic sensor is a bad idea since using one which have a higher refresh rate is possible nowadays, and you come and flame me because improve ping by 8ms is not enough in your opinion ? I thing your statement is absurd.

edit: I censured myself, getting pissed off on a forum leads to nowhere.

Edited by wata at 01:48 CST, 14 November 2006

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ioz - Reply to #246

relax sir i meant the opposite - improvement of latency by 8ms is a negligible improvement unless ur some cyborg dude who can detect these things

on that note i am all for overclocking usb ports and the refresh rate of mice (i do it myself) but i cant understand why you would consider 8ms of latency to be such a deciding factor

<< Comment #250 @ 04:28 CST, 14 November 2006 >>

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wata - Reply to #249

8ms latency isn't terrible, but why should we keep it since we can have less latency without disadvantage ?
that's my point.

imagine you have a mice with 8ms latency, plus you have a LCD monitor with 8ms latency, plus etc..
these small latencies combined together are making a final latency that starts to matter, isn't it ?

<< Comment #252 @ 09:56 CST, 14 November 2006 >>

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ioz - Reply to #250

ok admittedly if i DO have the option of reducing latency then i generally go for it myself. but again, it would deffo not be the deciding factor in purchasing a mouse (for me anywayz).
furthermore, LCDz are :( im staying tr00 to my 21" CRT

<< Comment #194 @ 07:24 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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z0uLess - Reply to #59

I have old ms3.0 and new ms3.0 and an mx518 that mouse1 is worn out on. If its even possible, I would merge the two. Im actually thinking of trying it. I could contact an electrician I know to help me out.

<< Comment #60 @ 00:44 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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tazmanian

HOW on earth can a mouse come out and skip? I mean aren't there 'testers' out there>?

*IF* there are 'testers' what the hell are they doing? Eating potato chips and farting for their day?

This mouse should come out ready and have no need for a 'firmware' upgrade.

This is ridiculous.

<< Comment #97 @ 21:47 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #60

I think the testers that companies like M$, Razer and Logitech use are flat out N00BS!

Can't be said in any other way.

Oh yeah, fatal1ty is the biggest noob of them all, btw (1010)
Although I suspect he never tested it. He prolly just said "Sure, its fine, just gimme my money, Creative"

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ioz - Reply to #97

up up down down left right left right FATALITY SHOW ME THE MONEY

<< Comment #155 @ 07:19 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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Sujoy - Reply to #97

Aparently it was a bad bunch of initial mice on the 1010 and since then they've all worked properly. That's what Fatal1ty said when I asked him about it anyway.

<< Comment #163 @ 09:15 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #155

Yeah, that's what the Creative guy said, too.
However, months after, I heard from people who were having the exact same problems with their brand new 1010s. :/

Razer also use this 'routine' with their mice when people bitch about a new release. And somehow, the mice just keep on having the same problems.

Although, in Razer's case, some of the issues could be worked out to some extend with firmware upgrades.

<< Comment #226 @ 08:02 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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Ukjsatiy - Reply to #155

I find this quite hard to believe. For whatever reason the 1010 was delayed for AGES in becoming readily available in the UK, and when I finally got it in the middle of June, surprise surprise, It had 'broken' clockrates, among other problems. I suppose it COULD be from the same 'early' manufacturing run, but it seems unlikely given the long space of time, US/EU box differences etc. Since Fat uses the 2020 anyway, he was probably just unknowingly repeating whatever lies the Creative reps tell him. That that CreativeRS chap has never shown his face around here again to announce it was fixed or listen to peoples complaints, despite being seen on other forums relatively recently, is quite indicative to me of Creatives utter lack of care towards its customers and partners.

<< Comment #235 @ 15:54 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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Sujoy - Reply to #226

I've asked for the latest mice for sampling, so I'll let you know what I find.

<< Comment #268 @ 02:08 CST, 18 November 2006 >>

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svr - Reply to #155

I can confirm it, my little brother has a fatal1ty 1010 and it runs stable @ 500 hz and it doesnt skip. Proper mouse with a nice shape really.

<< Comment #61 @ 01:38 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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x-brain

you should try using razers itselfs mousepads, all their mouses work perfectly on them

<< Comment #62 @ 01:57 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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Cheese Thief - Reply to #61

See #57

<< Comment #63 @ 05:32 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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Anonymous (p54A91A07.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)

I have a Habu and I use a Razer Mantis (Speed). Iam using the new Firmware 2.0 and it doesen't skip at all tested it with high and low sense and I coulndn't recognise a skip at all.

<< Comment #66 @ 07:04 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #63

try moving it fast

<< Comment #71 @ 08:56 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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Anonymous (212.112.47.203) - Reply to #66

fast like.. omgz0rz fast?

<< Comment #73 @ 10:22 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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koOma - Reply to #71

yeah SUPERMAN fast!!!!!

<< Comment #78 @ 12:34 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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Anonymous (217-210-73-247-no47.tbcn.telia.com) - Reply to #63

someone confirm that it works with updated firmware please :P malum?

<< Comment #81 @ 14:02 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #78

Do you mean 'works' as in no skipping when you update the firmware?
Or do you mean 'works' as in you can update the firmware?

yes, you can update the firmware.

<< Comment #86 @ 14:57 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #78

I updated to Firmware/Software V2.00 (the latest) before play-testing.

<< Comment #98 @ 21:48 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #86

Was there any difference in regard to skipping before/after flashing firmware?

*edit*

Doh! never mind.
Just realised you are the thread starter.

Edited by McFly at 22:15 CST, 5 November 2006

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wocK_ - Reply to #63

razer employee

xD

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<< Comment #76 @ 12:23 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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tazmanian

I am hearing there is now 'firmware' for this mouse as well?
This is a JOKE. By now and with all the firmware probs with the Copperhead Razer should have had this ironed out instead of using people again as 'beta testers'.

Bunch of Bull in my books. Recommendation?

Don't buy this mouse and just use the Intellimouse Explorer 3, that is the best mouse ever made plain and simple.

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<< Comment #99 @ 22:18 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #76

You make a very valid point.
Some people might indeed see this firmware 'scheme' as to be designed to keep the buyers in false hope of getting a decent piece of hardware at some point in the future.

The Habu has the same guts that the CH has.
You won't see any critical fixes for the Habu, this I am sure of.

<< Comment #77 @ 12:31 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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|nFin1teFX|

lies...

<< Comment #79 @ 12:42 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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|nFin1teFX|

just checked your profile and noticed this

Do you overclock your mouse usb port? (17*/50)
yes

maybe u fucked up your usb ports

?

<< Comment #84 @ 14:56 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #79

I patched back to the original usbport.sys before installing the Habu. Then I changed USB-Hz to 1000 hz via the Habu-software -> Skipped. Changed to 500hz -> skipped.

USB Mouserate Checker showed me hz-values which were about ~350 hz. Hum.
So I patched the usbport.sys again, to 1000hz. While my IntelliMouse Optical 1.1 gave me about 700hz, the Habu only did ~350 again. And yeah, it skipped again.

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<< Comment #100 @ 22:19 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #84

So it even has issues with USB polling now.
Geez, what a piece of crap this Habu turned out to be. :<

<< Comment #107 @ 04:22 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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|nFin1teFX| - Reply to #84

this basicly means that all habu mice with the names microsoft and razer written all over it are useless... thats weird

big companies should think about quality first before thinking about profit...looks as if they are breaking their own windows

this sux cause many ppl (including myself) had high expectations of this mouse...

thnx for the info

<< Comment #125 @ 12:28 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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ioz - Reply to #107

haha breaking their own windows excellent pun :))

<< Comment #82 @ 14:09 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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tazmanian

USB port overclock have nothing to do with this mouse skipping as this mouse already supports 1ms USB!!

Since there is 'firmware' for it....IT IS A PROBLEM WITH THE MOUSE>......

<< Comment #83 @ 14:19 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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wata - Reply to #82

maybe some motherboards can't handle an oc@1~~MHz~~kHz of usb ports, and that's why the mouse skips.

Edited by wata at 07:05 CST, 6 November 2006

<< Comment #85 @ 14:56 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #83

see comment #84

my motherboard can handle it.

<< Comment #105 @ 04:14 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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anal justice - Reply to #83

is there a motherboards that CAN handle an oc@1MHz of usb ports. pfff

<< Comment #112 @ 05:23 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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wata - Reply to #105

1kHz, k k
(and go pfff yourself)

<< Comment #113 @ 05:37 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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anal justice - Reply to #112

pfffffffffff

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wata - Reply to #113

:)

<< Comment #108 @ 04:27 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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|nFin1teFX| - Reply to #82

well if u overclock your usb 2 1ms (software) and insert a 1ms mouse their could be conflicts wich is not the case...was just wondering

<< Comment #88 @ 15:29 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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Anonymous (a193-229-163-172.elisa-laajakaista.fi)

Razer, Please. Re-release habu with optical sensor!

<< Comment #93 @ 18:43 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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Lunatic - Reply to #88

laser is optical too :P you mean LED

<< Comment #101 @ 22:22 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #88

Yeah, allt hey would have to friggin' do is to put in their 3 year old DIamondback sensor, which is a lot cheaper for them anyway.

Man... are the masses out there really so ignorant that they ALWAYS assume higher DPI = better mouse.

It's like these people are thinking DPI = MHz with CPU chips.

grrr

<< Comment #106 @ 04:16 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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anal justice - Reply to #101

Mhz is nothing. see Pentium 4 :)

<< Comment #89 @ 15:48 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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tazmanian

You know what my hope is? That these are 'engineering samples' that found their way into the public. Maybe it is unrealistic by I sure hope. I can't think of any good reason for Razer to have not fixed these issues since most of the guts of the Habu is the Copperhead which was riddled with issues, people had to do all sorts of firmware upgrades.

So you would figure by now they would have fixed all the issues and we would be supplied with a mouse that worked out of the box, but I guess a mouse working out of the box is hoping for a miracle these days....

<< Comment #102 @ 22:24 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #89

They tried that BS with "engineering samples" routine at the release of the CH.
Turned out that all CHs were 'engineering samples' :<

<< Comment #90 @ 16:26 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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Nafets

At least Razer won't be making any profit from ESR users. Even if that is 0.00000001% of PC gamers

<< Comment #91 @ 17:11 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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Cuffahid

monitor skips...

<< Comment #94 @ 18:58 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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bubblegun

ok , one question , how did you got Habu if it is not avilable in razer webpage ?

<< Comment #95 @ 18:58 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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bubblegun

Ok, one question , how did you test Habu and you said it skips if it is not beeing comercialized by razer ? in the website it says available October 2006 but it is not possible to buy it ! ! ! !

<< Comment #96 @ 19:46 CST, 5 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #95

It's available in Germany since 1st of November.
-> http://www.alternate.de/html/shop/productDeta...MZM86&

<< Comment #110 @ 04:34 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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|nFin1teFX| - Reply to #95

2 questions....

<< Comment #104 @ 00:59 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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castleofargh

to be honest look at any razer when it went out and it was always just crap with bugs.
those guys use the very same pattern each time:
-release with marketing flood
-forums full of complains about how shitty and bugged it is
- 2 or 3 months later razer gives some magical solution that fixes all the troubles. and we can go buy some that actually work fine

from my point of view razer should call the release versions of drivers "beta" so they ll have the "beta testing" excuse for their incredible way of taking customers for easy and inexpensive testers

<< Comment #116 @ 07:55 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #104

- 2 or 3 months later razer gives some magical solution that fixes all the troubles. and we can go buy some that actually work fine

That's only partially true.
The CH is still bugged like hell - over a year after it's release.

<< Comment #126 @ 12:31 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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ioz - Reply to #116

but considering that habu is razers second laser mouse it isnt foolish to hope that perhaps theyll hit the nail on the head and get some good firmware this time... more experience = higher probability of fixing probs, no? :)

Edited by ioz at 12:31 CST, 6 November 2006

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McFly - Reply to #126

Well yeah. But they are using the same hardware inside of the Habu as the CH has.

I wouldn't expect anything whatsoever.

<< Comment #111 @ 04:55 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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link

havnt you realized yet? razer relase broken mice and makes you buy "new versions", it's all to milk the cash cows!!11!!!!!11111111111

<< Comment #114 @ 06:55 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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Xeon

Does the razer driver has some settings that changes the implementation?

Like with logitech G5 driver: there is OS implementation and SetPoint implementation. The G5 skips with OS implementation at fast moves, but it is perfect and doesn't skip at all with SetPoint implementation.

Or you can't change anything like this at all? Just buttons and DPI?

Are you sure that you have tried the mouse in every way? I'm starting to think about cancelling my order...

<< Comment #117 @ 07:56 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #114

All Razer mice so far have used OS implementation.

<< Comment #118 @ 09:05 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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Xeon - Reply to #117

Thx.

Well I have cancelled my order anyway. Not because I'm reading the negative comments, but because I decided to try it first.
Overall I'm ok with the G5... if I get something new, it'll be a new MS 3.0.

<< Comment #119 @ 09:53 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #118

If you are fine with the shape of the G5, then there indeed is absolutely no reason to switch to Habu.
They use same sensor anyway.

<< Comment #121 @ 12:04 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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SoAndChobe

3.0 ftw i think

<< Comment #122 @ 12:15 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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eamroh

Bless you.

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<< Comment #133 @ 14:10 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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Curious

I've just noticed that M$ has taken amazon off its links to get the Habu online.
Maybe those specific Habus were defected, atleast i hope so...

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cerbul - Reply to #133

there's an extreemly little chance to have a problem like copperhead and to be able to fix it by firmware.
that problem comes from the hardware.
i'don't know why, but that would be really nice to have someone explain why mx518/razer diamondback is not skipping and copperhead/habu/g3/g5 skips?

<< Comment #151 @ 06:42 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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Curious - Reply to #147

umm, what has that got to do with anything i said? MX518 and db are better because they're optical not laser. What you just said has no relevance at all to what i just said...

Edited by CuriouS at 06:46 CST, 8 November 2006

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Ezku

So how much speed can the Habu actually take? I've got a Steelpad QcK+ with a sens of 45cm/360. My Diamondback can handle it just fine, no sign of even hitting the speed cap. It's just that my pinky finger gets sore rather quickly with the way I'm grabbing the mouse, and at this point I'm getting fed of it. I'd really welcome the Habu design, it seems awesome, but if the mouse is totally unplayable -- I'd be willing to go for just a tad higher sensitivity, if required -- I wouldn't want to waste my money on it.

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malum - Reply to #138

Diamondback is LED or infrared, don't know, but it doesn't have a laser engine, while the Habu has. The Habu would be absolute useless for 45 cm/360 �. It might be useable for anything lower than 15 cm/360 �, but I would never bet on that.

<< Comment #146 @ 09:48 CST, 7 November 2006 >>

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Ezku - Reply to #144

15 cm/360 �

What the fuck? Seriously, that's completely insane.

<< Comment #156 @ 07:25 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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Sujoy - Reply to #146

That's a fairly medium sensitivity. Some people have way higher sens than that. Remember mousepads used to be less than 25cm wide.

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Ezku - Reply to #156

That wasn't my point, though - but instead the fact that something with such an obvious defect, when there's already been one generation from the flaws of which to learn, can have been brought to the market.

<< Comment #162 @ 08:58 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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Sujoy - Reply to #161

Oh yea I read it wrong. I see what you mean now :)

<< Comment #140 @ 22:50 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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Curious

I think I'll wait for when there is a new model number :D

<< Comment #141 @ 22:54 CST, 6 November 2006 >>

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kmt

is it absolutely absurd to contemplate changing the guts for that of a razer diamondback plasma? i mean as long as it fitted, it doesn't sound like it would be impossible...

but yeah, are there any other limitations other than the size/shape of the guts, and a bit of solder? if the shape really is as good as it looks, i'd be quite happy to give the conversion a go, as i have a half stuffed plasma at home :D

<< Comment #143 @ 05:34 CST, 7 November 2006 >>

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Khorney - Reply to #141

Razer mice tend to break though =(

<< Comment #149 @ 06:24 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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Anonymous (fw2.eterra.dk)

I just read over at the razerblueprints forum that someone tried flashing the HABU with the latest copperhead firmware and according to them it should make it work. Perhaps give this a try and report back?

http://razerblueprints.net/index.php?option=c...pic=5492.0

Regards

<< Comment #167 @ 15:45 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #149

The Copperhead never 'worked' :)

<< Comment #150 @ 06:24 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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Anonymous (dyn15-251.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi)

I have a Habu and am enjoying it.

Higher DPI = more sensitivity/accuracy. If you try to set sensitivity on a 800 DPI mouse to match that of a 2000 DPI mouse, the result is skipping/jumpy/inaccurate mouse movement. I know this by experience. With the Habu I can set sensitivity to a very high level, and the movement is still smooth and solid and there's no pixel skipping.

From what I have read, Habu has little over 7000 FPS refresh rate with the camera, while IE 3.0 has refresh rate of 9000 FPS. So I knew what to expect. I knew that Habu won't be able to handle as fast movements as the IE 3.0 does, but for me that's not an issue, because I prefer a fairly high sensitivity.

All in all, I can wholeheartedly recommend the Habu for anyone who uses at least a fairly high sensitivity setting and has use for the high accuracy. And for those who wish to move mouse around like crazy - sorry for my phrasing, but some of you are using a sensitivity that seems REALLY low to me - with a low sensitivity setting, go with IE 3.0.

<< Comment #152 @ 06:49 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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Space Cowboy - Reply to #150

Quoting from Comment #12, malum used a clothpad with a relatively low sensitivity and was able to make the Habu skip, despite the fact that the Habu comes with a 16-bit path and 1000Hz polling. What's it going to take for a laser sensor to track consistently and reliably?

Considering the mouse is just below the $70 USD mark, I'd say that was a pretty shitty deal for a supposed "mouse that roars," especially since the Razer DB ($40), Krait ($35), and MX518 ($40) all perform better on any surface, at any sensitivity. I don't know about you, but I'm not about to drop 70 bucks on something that doesn't work when and how I want it to.

<< Comment #157 @ 07:28 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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Ezku - Reply to #152

Have I understood correctly that the MX518 performs exactly the same as Diamondback (does it have the same sensor?), with the only differences being in form and software? MX518 uses Setpoint, right?

<< Comment #159 @ 07:39 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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Space Cowboy - Reply to #157

McFly would give the more definitive answer, but from everything I've learned from this forum, I believe that yes, it's the same Agilent sensor in all these mice (ADNS-3080), therefore same performance:

http://www.mstarmetro.net/~rlowens/OpticalMouse/ (search for MX518 on the page)
+
http://www.avagotech.com/products/product-det...996,P93690

And yes, I believe that their differences lie only in cosmetics and drivers (I used default Windows drivers for both of mine, so I can't be sure what the difference is). :>

<< Comment #160 @ 07:49 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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Ezku - Reply to #159

Thanks for the confirmation.

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McFly - Reply to #157

More or less correct.
They perform identical, speed-wise, is my experience.

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Sujoy - Reply to #150

How far do you move the mouse to turn 360 degrees? If it's more than 15cm then 2000dpi is totally useless for you.

I've got 15 go-faster stripes on my mouse. I've tried playing with a mouse that had only 6 go-faster stripes but it was awful. anything less than 10 go-faster stripes is no good for gaming.

Edited by Sujoy at 07:29 CST, 8 November 2006

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<< Comment #169 @ 15:49 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #158

What are go-faster stripes?
Teflon patches?

<< Comment #172 @ 16:23 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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Ezku - Reply to #169

I think that was an attempt at sarcasm (viz. dpi).

Edited by Ezku at 16:23 CST, 8 November 2006

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Sujoy - Reply to #169

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_faster_stripes

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<< Comment #177 @ 18:16 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #175

lol

<< Comment #190 @ 06:40 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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castleofargh - Reply to #158

i used to put some on my hand also cause it would be stupid to get a hand slower thand the mouse.

<< Comment #153 @ 07:15 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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cerbul

as I see the problem, is something hardware and software.
the algorith that calculates the mouse movement is verry hard and a lot of optimizing must be done. they are making optimizations using firmware, but for the hardware part i'm sure there's a limit, that is not going to be better then as it is now.
they would have done just like with copperhead.
firmware update 1, 2 ,3 and after some time everyone would be partially happy, but only the players that are at the limit with sensitivity. anyway, on reflexes it will skip like hell.
so, goodby reflexes.
i'm so angry about this, that i won't buy any razer products until they fix everything. i've loved the shape of the habu, but i'm EXTREEMLY disapointed. :(

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<< Comment #165 @ 13:51 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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malum

I just installed the latest Copperhead-firmware (+ drivers) on my Habu. Now I can get 1000 hz (totally stable) and the skipping is less.

Well, the 1000 hz feel sooo fucking smooth ingame. Much smoother than my Intelli Explorer 3.0 @ 700 hz.

The skipping is, as expected, still pretty shitty. I can understand that some noobs state that the Habu/G5/G3/CH don't have any skipping, they just don't move their mouse fast enough.

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<< Comment #170 @ 15:51 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #165

Interesting.

How much better is with skipping now?

How low is your sens? When does the skipping begin, roughly?

Thanks.

<< Comment #173 @ 16:24 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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Ezku - Reply to #170

When does the skipping begin, roughly?

Seconded. Can you give us an approximation in cms/360?

Edited by Ezku at 16:34 CST, 8 November 2006

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malum - Reply to #170

Well, that's hard to tell you know. I could point a speed gun/camera at my mouse and measure speeds.. well.. give me an idea.

I decided to recorded a small movie:
http://home.arcor.de/exile15/jj23.avi (towards the end I'm using a IME 3.0@125hz for comparison)

Yeah, what you're seeing is actually CS 1.6. The only game I had here right away, but don't worry, CS usually gives a good view about negative accel... and skipping.

Edited by malum at 17:48 CST, 8 November 2006

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<< Comment #178 @ 18:23 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #174

OK, now we just need to get an idea about what sens you had @ "medium" and @ "fast".

At medium, you seemed to move the character pretty fast. How high/low was your sens there, measured in cm, ofc.

<< Comment #184 @ 20:41 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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z0uLess - Reply to #178

I second that. it seemed like you were using high sens since you were able to turn accuratly 180 degrees around with ms 3.0. With my sens I cant use ms 3.0...

<< Comment #189 @ 06:37 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #184

33cm/360� like I said. So 16 cm for a 180 � flick. I always correct the negative accel while playing. At 1000 hz USB-rate the IE 3.0 is "okay" for my settings.

<< Comment #191 @ 06:41 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #178

Always the same dewd. I used sens 1.75 with Copperhead (800 DPI) and 3.5 (400 DPI) with the IE 3.0 in that movie. That's were both mice gave me almost the exact same feeling.
= 33 cm/360 � = 16,5 cm for a 180 � flick.

<< Comment #166 @ 15:19 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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tazmanian

My goodness, I read comments here about people who bought the HABU and use high sens? This mouse was *SUPPOSED* to be developed for people who use LOW SENS, it makes no sense for anyone to come here and proclaim "I USE HIGH SENS WITH MY HABU AND ITS GREAT".

IT was supposed to be different then the Copperhead, but it turns out all Razer did was re-release the Copperhead with a Intellimouse body, screwm em' and their marketing ploy. Microsoft won't be happy about this and that is one company you don't wanna piss off with such un-proffessional behaviour.

This mouse is a failure. Plain and simple.

I am also noticing RAZER is very silent, why don't they show some balls and come out from hidding and confront this dismal failure.

ITs not *IF* you can get your Habu to work, the mouse is supposed to work for YOU, not the other way around. It was set out to be a mouse for low sens players, and it fails.

Back to the lesson of the Viper.

Edited by tazmanian at 15:24 CST, 8 November 2006

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<< Comment #171 @ 15:52 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #166

well said

<< Comment #183 @ 19:08 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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z0uLess

I'm gonna go alittle off topic here. I've been using mx518 for a long time now, and I love the performance part, but not so much the shape of it. What other mice have the same optics? I know about the diamondback, but Im pretty sure thats not the type of mouse I was looking for. I like big sized mice, like the 3.0. I have both the old and the new ms 3.0, but they have awfull negative accel. I use 38cm/360 degrees on qpad.

<< Comment #185 @ 20:43 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #183

If the MS 3.0 is not sufficient for you when it comes to speed, then the only alternatives to MX518 are Razer DB, DB Plasma and Krait. :/

<< Comment #186 @ 21:33 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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z0uLess - Reply to #185

Well thats obvious. The ms 3.0 is really, really slow. I flick 180's all the time (19cm), instant flick. So if I were to change to 3.0 I would need to drasticly increase my sensitivity to be able to do that.

okay. another quick question.. mx518 dosent really have any advantages compared to mx510 when it comes to speed right? Its just the dpi and dpi switcher and fancy colors? I have both, but I've worn out my mx518 mouse1 button after 10mounths. mx510 feels exactly the same to me.

<< Comment #187 @ 22:31 CST, 8 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #186

No, no. The MX518 has quite a substantial advantage over the MX510 when it comes to speed - at any DPI setting.

I'd say the MX510 is almost as 'shitty' when it comes to speed as the MS 3.0 is.

MX518 ftw!

<< Comment #192 @ 06:51 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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z0uLess - Reply to #187

How can you say that mx510 is allmost as slow as, ms3.0? Its not even close.

<< Comment #193 @ 06:56 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #192

Errmm.. because I think it is?

<< Comment #188 @ 04:32 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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Ezku - Reply to #183

MSIE 3.0 has negative accel? Then what's the point? I thought it was old but sturdy tech for really low sens players.

<< Comment #196 @ 09:50 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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Space Cowboy - Reply to #183

I haven't done any testing myself, but seeing mew do tricks on his MX300 at 55cm/360 is enough for me to vouch for it. Maybe give it a shot?

Edit: Here's the video: http://spidermew.moo.no/mew_playing_06.avi

Edited by Space Cowboy at 09:51 CST, 9 November 2006

<< Comment #197 @ 10:07 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #196

He's getting heavy negative acceleration there, trust me.

He would probably be able to lower his sens to 40cm when switching to a MX518.

I feel the neg. acc. clearly as soon as I get near 38cm with MX300/310/510/G1.

With the MX518 and Razer DB, I can do about 55cm.

<< Comment #198 @ 10:32 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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Space Cowboy - Reply to #197

Heh, I'm following your recommendations (MX300/310/510/G1 being second-tier), but maybe the pilot shape would work better for him. :>

<< Comment #202 @ 12:48 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #198

Being second, yes.
But still far away from the MX518/DB.

<< Comment #225 @ 07:27 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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Erk - Reply to #198

MX300 is second tier since the G1 offers the same shape with aprox the same amount of negative acceleration as MX518/DB.

The G1 first tier as it's got a good sensor and it's negative acceleration is about the same as MX518/DB

MX510 is second tier because the MX518 has a little bit smoother tracking with the same shape. Both have about the same amount of negative acceleration.

MX310 is the best mouse with it's shape, but must be run at 400DPI and has quite a bit of negative acceleration.

Edited by Erk at 07:28 CST, 11 November 2006

<< Comment #199 @ 10:47 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #197

afaik I remember him stating that MX518 is shyte compared to MX300 regarding maximum speeds.

<< Comment #203 @ 12:50 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #199

Prolly thinking of shape.

MX300 is smaller = easier to handle at high speeds.
But the sensor, surely nobody can argue is better than the MX518 one.

<< Comment #204 @ 13:30 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #203

I think he said the MX300 can track at higher speeds. Some theory I have in mind (don't remember it excactly): Because of the MX300's sensor registering a bigger physical image (400 DPI) it is able to track at higher speeds than the MX518. I know you can set MX518 to 400 DPI, but I think that's just downscaling from 1600 DPI.

<< Comment #207 @ 17:59 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #204

Yes, the same theory that calculates the MX510 sensor to be able to do 3 meters per second without any skipping or negative acceleration.

I simple fast sway with your mouse in any game will show you that that calculation is just plain wrong. :)

<< Comment #224 @ 07:21 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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Erk - Reply to #207

Wrong again, it's only skipping, and again negative acceleration is about the same on MX518 and MX510.

<< Comment #228 @ 09:03 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #224

Ignored.

<< Comment #229 @ 09:41 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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z0uLess - Reply to #228

I agree with that guy.

<< Comment #201 @ 11:23 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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z0uLess - Reply to #197

ah. thats why I dont feel negative accel on 510 then. cause I use 38cm/360. Im thinking of buying a new mx518 anyway tho, they aint all that expencive.

<< Comment #223 @ 07:20 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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Erk - Reply to #197

MX510, G1 and MX518 have aprox the same amount of negative acceleration. Don't spread false info just because you love the sensors used in MX518 and Diamondback.

<< Comment #227 @ 09:01 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #223

MY info is not FALSE.

YOU have obviously NOT tested it thoroughly.
You're the one with that ridiculous 3 meters theory.
Looks like YOU are the one spreading FALSE info, matey.

I don't give a shit about any calculation that some techy site tells you is true. I don't care for your math.
In actual practice, your THEORY is FALSE!

I'm actually trying to save people some money, but the likes of you are telling low sens. players that a mouse like the MX510 is on par with MX518, which is pure bullshit. They end up paying for a mouse that isn't well enough suited for them = wasting money because of YOUR FALSE THEORIES.

YOU need to stop spreading false information.

Anyone who does a THOROUGH test with MX518 vs MX510 (and not looking at any stupid theories that even the biggest newbie can tell is pure BULLSHIT) will see that I speak the truth.

Fucking fed up with people attacking me. Fuck off.
I haven't told you to shut it when I've read your ridiculous claims to what a mouse like the MX510 is supposedly capable of.
But now you start telling ME to shut it?
Fuck you! Go fuck yourself.

And everyone else attacking me for my negative acc/skipping, tests - you can all suck my fucking balls.

All I'm trying to do is save people some money and grief, for fuck's sake.

<< Comment #230 @ 09:46 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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Erk - Reply to #227

You're so mature, and actually know how to spell dirty words? :p

The reason people are attacking you is because you spread false truths. The 3m/s is for skipping, I've never said it limits negative accel. If you belive I've written otherwise, then go brush up on your reading skills. And for the record I tested both the G1 and MX518 right before posting and with 320degrees in 28cm and both missed aprox 95degrees when moved at very high speed back again. Did this test with MX510 and MX518 the day I got the MX518 as well with similar result.

<< Comment #231 @ 10:25 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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cumrag - Reply to #230

hehe

<< Comment #232 @ 11:12 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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Space Cowboy - Reply to #230

I tested both the G1 and MX518 right before posting and with 320degrees in 28cm and both missed aprox 95degrees when moved at very high speed back again.

I have no idea what you just said. Are you testing both mice for skipping or negative acceleration?

<< Comment #233 @ 13:03 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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Erk - Reply to #232

Negative accel.

<< Comment #234 @ 15:20 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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z0uLess - Reply to #230

yea I just changed back to my old mx510 because my mx518 mouse1 button was worn out, and I did not notice any difference in performance with 38cm/360. There may be some, I dont know, but negative accel after this may be non-important?

<< Comment #241 @ 21:50 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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Lunatic - Reply to #227

Man.... losen up will ya? Why spill all this energy on a freakin mouse discussion....

<< Comment #273 @ 06:53 CST, 21 November 2006 >>

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BehindY0u - Reply to #197

I have a razer diamondback plasma and at 47cm/360 it had quite alot of negative accel. About as much as my old wmo at 28cm/360.

<< Comment #209 @ 21:14 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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chickenfluGR - Reply to #183

try g-1000, they sell it for 30$ at most places, i've played with both mice @ 250hz and it looks to me that they track the same way, g-1000 has a pretty identical size and weight, the whole mouse is covered with rubber too, i hate that sticky plastic on the 518 :(

Edited by chickenfluGR at 21:17 CST, 9 November 2006

<< Comment #218 @ 07:25 CST, 10 November 2006 >>

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z0uLess - Reply to #209

no way. that shape looks awfull

<< Comment #195 @ 08:48 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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cerbul

te ammount of negative accel on ie3 is as low as the shape of it and the absence of another mouse on the market that has a comfortable shape and mx518 senzor, makes us buy ie3.

<< Comment #200 @ 11:03 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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z0uLess - Reply to #195

How hard is it to build in mx518 optical sensor into it?

<< Comment #205 @ 13:34 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #200

The Explorer 4.0 has an awesome shape, but a fucking crappy sensor.
So I tried pulling in the guts of an Explorer 3.0 in an Explorer 4.0. Even tho they come from the same manufacturer (Microsoft) and share almost the same sensor, it would've taken an enormous amount of time, some technical knowledge and a good range of tools to put the guts from one into the other.

I hope putting in the guts of a Razer Krait into Habu will be easier (my next project when I've got money).

<< Comment #206 @ 14:26 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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z0uLess - Reply to #205

yea I figured I could try it sometime cause I allready have the hardware for it, and I dont use it. If only I had time :P

<< Comment #208 @ 20:53 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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Logic

I think we jumped the gun on the Razer hating. In fact, I'm gonna buy the Habu ASAP because I doubt very much that they'd leave it with skipping problems, they'll probably just upgrade the firmware like they did with the CH and everything will be fine.

Someone said that this mouse shouldn't have had this problem because the Copperhead's sensor is tried and tested, but I recall RazerGuy saying something about the Habu sensor being different, like it has a new sensor with some of the CH issues ironed out or whatever.

All in all, I still think this could turn out to be the greatest mouse ever, we just have to be patient.

Edited by Logic at 21:12 CST, 9 November 2006

<< Comment #210 @ 22:29 CST, 9 November 2006 >>

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Curious - Reply to #208

That would however, require Razer to do something about it...

<< Comment #212 @ 03:58 CST, 10 November 2006 >>

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Space Cowboy - Reply to #210

...not to mention dropping $70 on a piece of hardware that doesn't work properly right out of the box.

Would you buy a car that stalled every time you took it out, under the promise that the manufacturer will fix it someday? It could turn out to be the greatest car ever, you just have to be patient.

<< Comment #211 @ 00:43 CST, 10 November 2006 >>

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cerbul

what if is an hardware issue?
what if it can be upgraded to the status that copperhead is now?
do you realize that this habu gorgeous shape can be unusable because of the sensor? do you realize that if it's a hardware issue then it will pass, will come another mouse on the market more then sure with another shape.
:(

<< Comment #213 @ 04:39 CST, 10 November 2006 >>

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Anonymous (fw2.eterra.dk) - Reply to #211

If you're afraid of which sensor it has and if its hardware related, open the guts of the HABU and see the serial number on the sensor. It should be available in side and it's probably the same sensoras the Copperhead seeing the specs are the same. The "tweaks" Razer made are most likely software related.

<< Comment #214 @ 06:11 CST, 10 November 2006 >>

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Anonymous (fw2.eterra.dk)

Ok, a little update from the razerblueprints fora.

http://razerblueprints.net/index.php?option=c...9#msg50039

Buzztiger is working at Razer and has contacted their engineering team.

"Ok, got a response from Razer engineering. They're working on it and will issue a fix shortly..."

Seems like a good thing, atleast it can provide a small amount of hope.

<< Comment #216 @ 06:59 CST, 10 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #214

That's a about fixing driverbugs. I don't have any hope that they're fixing the skipping. Fuck Razer.

<< Comment #215 @ 06:57 CST, 10 November 2006 >>

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HQNSE

That's very really bad for Razer and Microsoft. I also heard it from some of my friends, it isn't nice. Hope the new MSI 3.0 is better. Right now I'm considering buying it or maybe that mouse from SteelSeries. Can't remeber the name :S

<< Comment #217 @ 07:01 CST, 10 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #215

(Microsoft) IntelliMouse Optical 1.1 SS

I'll be getting the new IE 3.0 in a few days. Gonna do a short comparison to the class IE 3.0 etc.

<< Comment #219 @ 07:34 CST, 10 November 2006 >>

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z0uLess - Reply to #217

old 3.0 is exactly the same as new 3.0 except color

<< Comment #221 @ 05:00 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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tourist - Reply to #217

(Microsoft) IntelliMouse Optical 1.1 SS

Special German edition?

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<< Comment #222 @ 05:26 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #221

dont be funny ;>

... steelseries

<< Comment #220 @ 07:36 CST, 10 November 2006 >>

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HQNSE

Yeaaaah. That's the name.. Will be great with a review

<< Comment #236 @ 17:17 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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Tenno

I googled around a bit, but there are so many different ways shown how to calculate the DPI need on special resolution and fov, but does someone know one wich is 100% right.
I am forced to play on 1280x1024 soon cause i am going to buy a TFT screen, and trying to see if the 400 dpi on 20cm/360� are still enough or i gotta use more. Yes yes TFT aren`t that good for gaming, but in my eyes it would do fine enough.

<< Comment #237 @ 20:15 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #236

I'm afraik I think your mouse is gonna skip some pixels :E better ask someone with knowledge, tho. Still 1280x one 400 DPI seems "skippy".

<< Comment #238 @ 21:25 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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chickenfluGR - Reply to #237

there's some kind of formula for using the right ingame sens in your prefered resolution http://razerblueprints.net/index.php?option=c...pic=1311.0
according to this guy's claims if you want to play @ 1280*1024 you should have 2.0 sens or lower, if you want less cm/360 just raise the dpi

Edited by chickenfluGR at 21:29 CST, 11 November 2006

<< Comment #239 @ 21:38 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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cumrag - Reply to #236

If you're afraid of skipping pixels, you probably need a mouse with at least 800 dpi for that sens and monitor resolution.

there are so many different ways shown how to calculate the DPI need on special resolution and fov,

There is only one way I can think of, since sens is based on a change of degrees regardless of fov, i think...
360 degrees / 90 degrees = 4
1280 pixels * 4 = 5120 pixels for 360 degrees
5120 / 400 dpi = 12.8 in
12.8 * 2.54 = ~32.5 cm

with 800dpi, the highest sens would be ~16cm/360 not to skip pixels on that res.

Edited by [wolfwood] at 16:00 CST, 16 November 2006

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<< Comment #257 @ 14:36 CST, 16 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #239

Very interesting, thanks.

Gonna try this later.

<< Comment #240 @ 21:39 CST, 11 November 2006 >>

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chickenfluGR

an optical mouse with 12bit data path @ 400dpi (mx510 without mouseware ) should have no problems even @ 125 hz, maybe mcfly does his "negative accel tests" using 800dpi, 518 and DB have a pretty low and reachable velocity limit @ 1600dpi same thing applies to g1 and 510 when they are tracking @ 800dpi i guess

<< Comment #253 @ 12:02 CST, 14 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #240

It is true that I test my mice @ 800 - or above.
With a mouse like, I have been unable to detect any difference in neg.acc. @ 400, 800, 1200 or 1600dpi.

Btw, MX510/G1 are always 800dpi. You cannot change it with/without drivers, afaik.

MX300, 310, 500 is where you can go from 400 to 800dpi, using drivers..
With these mice, the USB Hz is much more important than DPI when we're talking negative acc.

<< Comment #270 @ 06:16 CST, 18 November 2006 >>

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I.R.Neuuubor - Reply to #253

dude can u plz specify what negative acceleration actually is ^_^

<< Comment #271 @ 08:36 CST, 18 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #270

The opposite of acceleration.

The faster you move the mouse, the slower the cursor/crosshair moves.

<< Comment #248 @ 02:29 CST, 14 November 2006 >>

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tazmanian

This is all confusing, so if you play at a high DPI couldn't you just lower in game sens if it feels to fast? Would that be different for example then:

400 dpi@ 30cm then 2000 dpi@30cm (for a full 360)?

<< Comment #254 @ 16:59 CST, 15 November 2006 >>

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bubblegun

tomorow i have my HaBu :]

<< Comment #256 @ 13:47 CST, 16 November 2006 >>

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Nafets - Reply to #254

and your Hah-boo is a waste of money? :]

<< Comment #255 @ 11:47 CST, 16 November 2006 >>

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Curious

The Razersupport site has new Habu drivers i think, as they say "Modified 14th November", could someone tell me if this is true, and if the drivers fix the mouse at all?

<< Comment #258 @ 16:16 CST, 16 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #255

I think they just fixed the 125 hz-lock bug as some other key-binding problems. gonna try it soon and report.

<< Comment #259 @ 02:12 CST, 17 November 2006 >>

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Anonymous (fw2.eterra.dk) - Reply to #258

Some guys over at the razerblueprints forum flashed the HABU with copperhead drivers + firmware, perhaps you could try this out and report back how it works?

<< Comment #260 @ 08:14 CST, 17 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #259

Already did, a week ago or smthing. Fixed the 125 hz-lock and I think it lessened the skipping, but it's still bullshit to play.

<< Comment #261 @ 12:20 CST, 17 November 2006 >>

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tazmanian

I would be pissed, if I purchased a product that took so long to fix, when already the same product in another name has already been out for over a year.

They knew their were problems with the copperhead sensor so why did they use it with the Habu??

<< Comment #262 @ 15:43 CST, 17 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #261

well, such ambitious gamers as we are make a market-share of maybe 1 to 2 % among gamers. Advertesing a gaming-mouse having super fancy 2000 DPI and ultra accurate laser engine seems to be better than an seriously outdated LED/infrared-sensor which in contrary works on almost EVERY surface and is almost impossible to get it skip. not to mention the comparison of 1600 to 2000 DPI which is beyond to be measureable by humans under normal circumstances.

Edited by malum at 15:45 CST, 17 November 2006

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McFly - Reply to #262

You are 100% right, of course.

However, I think the marketing brains @ Logitech & M$ can come up with a catchy headline to make the ignorant masses believe that an old mouse like mx518 is 'the shit!'.

Maybe start the same as the AMD and Intel were forced to do with the whole MHz thing. Higher number isn't necessarily better.

Maybe start calling it 3200+SPI or something. (the S is for speed :p)

<< Comment #264 @ 17:25 CST, 17 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #263

edit: ~~bullshit~~

Soo, what's coming next: A whole other bunch of crappy laser-mice, where laser-technology is estimated to be being half-decent at the end of 2007 -_-. I'm afraid none of those self-claimed "peripheral equipment-experts" aka Logitech, Razer and Microsoft is gonna release a decent mouse the coming year(s).

pffffffffffffft.

Edited by malum at 19:31 CST, 17 November 2006

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<< Comment #265 @ 19:20 CST, 17 November 2006 >>

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DiGiTracker

Please calculate that number again and you'll notice you made a mistake. It should become smaller, since a centimeter is less than an inch

<< Comment #266 @ 19:32 CST, 17 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #265

you were right

<< Comment #267 @ 20:04 CST, 17 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #266

So how is it now?

You've lost me. :)

<< Comment #269 @ 05:42 CST, 18 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #267

nevermind :P

<< Comment #272 @ 08:37 CST, 18 November 2006 >>

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McFly - Reply to #269

:<

<< Comment #274 @ 08:02 CST, 27 November 2006 >>

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Xeon

Look what I've found:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927684

Hilarious! :D :D :D

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<< Comment #275 @ 08:50 CST, 27 November 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #274

nice find :D

<< Comment #276 @ 21:37 CST, 27 November 2006 >>

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d00med - Reply to #274

love it

<< Comment #277 @ 22:00 CST, 30 November 2006 >>

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cumrag - Reply to #274

heh

<< Comment #278 @ 17:20 CST, 1 December 2006 >>

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Anonymous (216.184.122.196)

Razer is coming out with a new mouse...same shape as Habu, but optical instead of laser.....no light pipe, sleeker image...its really nice looking

<< Comment #279 @ 18:24 CST, 1 December 2006 >>

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Anonymous (81-233-18-54-no30.tbcn.telia.com)

Another thing is, its locked at 125 hz (Not available to test any of the other hz) I set it to 1000hz and it still shows 125hz in a second messure program. I'm now using the copperhead software for it and then I can get it to 500hz. Gonna reinstall the Habu software for it anyways and wait until they fix this problem (if they do).

The shape is wonderful though and I like the looks of it but this is bullshit. As far as skipping, I'm not sure of the impact it makes. It jumps a couple of pixle? or it freezes? or could someone tell me please. I got a problem that it freezes, like trying to do some aiming and it kinda acts like I'm lifting it away from the mousepad (it stops basic)

<< Comment #281 @ 21:40 CST, 3 December 2006 >>

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bubblegun - Reply to #279

I can't change Polling rate too :/ i've installed the HaBu software 2.0 from the site..and done all windows update ..now i can't change Polling Rate.. something wrong ..i used to play with 500mhz ...any ideias ..unless start playing with 125mhz rofl :P

<< Comment #282 @ 06:33 CST, 4 December 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #281

until the new firmware arrives, I suggest to install Copperhead firmware and software (first firmware, then install software - you get both @ www.razersupport.com). This will enable rockstable 1000 hz and also reduced skipping a bit (for me).

<< Comment #283 @ 07:06 CST, 6 December 2006 >>

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Anonymous (host86-141-166-198.range86-141.btcentralplus.com)

First of you get conflicting information on whether to plug the USB cable in first or not, manual says yes, cable says no! Next you get told to use new software from a site that isnt there ! when you do find the download place it tells you to use both the software and firmware... ok. I tried a few times to get this to work but all it told me was it had failed and i needed to reboot, i then tried to set up manualy with the help of information from other people that had spent ages trying to get a mouse !!! to work. All this did, and i followed it to the letter was render all my usb devices either completly not working or limited function. I'm talking my camera, printer, speakers, keyboard, mobile software... thank you razor for your complete and utter incompetance, i shall be sending this mouse back, getting a refund, and watching out that anything else i buy hasn't got the razor logo within 10 miles of it.

<< Comment #284 @ 16:01 CST, 7 December 2006 >>

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yan

There has been released a new HABU firmware, apparently it only fixes the 125Hz bug.

<< Comment #285 @ 19:31 CST, 13 December 2006 >>

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Anonymous (ti300720a080-4611.bb.online.no)

I've ordered a Habu, since my DB stopped working about 1 week ago. (The DB now keeps losing its connection to PC so it needs to redetect, and sometimes it doesn't even redetect as a mouse device)

Anyway, I hope that the Habu isn't too much of a disappointment, i'm already used to drivers that don't work from the DB but if the performance is really as bad as you guys say i'll be returning my Habu pretty fast.
But here's my question, in the case that i actually decide to return my Habu(seems likely) which mouse should i go for?
The ones i'm considering are: Razer DB, MX518, MS 3.0.

<< Comment #286 @ 20:03 CST, 13 December 2006 >>

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Space Cowboy - Reply to #285

Return the Habu, read the MouseScore 2007 article on the front page.

<< Comment #287 @ 20:12 CST, 13 December 2006 >>

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SoAndChobe - Reply to #285

return it. get a 518.

according to sujoymouseporn its the best mouse to get.

we <3 sujoy

<< Comment #288 @ 03:13 CST, 14 December 2006 >>

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yan - Reply to #287

The 518 is the best allround sensor to get, but let's not forget about the shape, nor what the mouse should be used for.

If you are a highsens gamer the Habu isn't bad, considering you will rarely hit its max speed.

After all don't you wouldn't try to drive off road with a city car.

But if you're a low sens gamer, then i wouldn't recommend the Habu ;-)

<< Comment #289 @ 23:07 CST, 15 December 2006 >>

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Anonymous (pool-72-84-52-101.clrkwv.east.verizon.net) - Reply to #288

thank you dude, 289 subliminal posts to find out if the HABU sucks total nut or only for a specific group. I use an mx1000 with no software and Im just tired of using a basic optical while the lump's recharging cuz Im too fat to remember to charge when I go to bed at least every 14 days plus it likes to be real shitty every once and again requiring "resets" so I thought I'd go back to a cord. I'm also not a "twitch" shooter which means I aint gonna be spinning around and shit. Hell i even measured my speed in oblivion and BF2 and its around 12-16cm/360. I usually make smooth sweeping movements so I would assume any mouse I want will work, right?

Yall some picky peeps, I'll give ya that but very well informed. Just maybe every thirty posts someone should post something that says "only applies to low sens, high sens non-twitchy bitchy's need not be concerned"

<< Comment #290 @ 12:14 CST, 16 December 2006 >>

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yan - Reply to #289

And a merry christmas you sir ;-)

For 12-16 cm i would assume that almsot any mouse would work yes.

<< Comment #291 @ 13:16 CST, 31 December 2006 >>

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Anonymous (ip5651bae0.speed.planet.nl)

this mouse sucks indeed. Have bought it and tried to install it a dozens of times. The UPDATED software doesn't recognize it. No support what so ever at the site of Razer or MS. This one is going straight into the bin!

I'm not all lost if someone can give me a tip to make it work in the end.

Jan from Holland.
jadan@planet.nl

<< Comment #292 @ 20:56 CST, 31 December 2006 >>

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malum - Reply to #291

Update firmware first, then install software

<< Comment #293 @ 06:46 CST, 1 January 2007 >>

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Anonymous (0x55510da3.adsl.cybercity.dk)

I tested the habu, and it is excelent, if you dont move the mouse too fast. just like all razors mice, it fails to work, if you are a gamer with fast mouse movements. If you move the mouse too fast, it fails to move 'as expected' - if you move the mouse very fast, then it looks like you move it very very slow.

<< Comment #297 @ 13:13 CST, 30 November 2008 >>

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Anonymous (user-514f72c7.l4.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk)

Razer Deathadder FTW

1800dpi 3G optical sensor

identical shape to MS Habu

<< Comment #298 @ 16:45 CST, 30 November 2008 >>

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