I get fps drops when I have Fraps running while playing Quake 3. Do you use Fraps?

i dont use fraps, at least not when im playing and it havent been installed since last format so... cant be that one. :(

try with a clean cfg, just for kicks.

Heating problem? The Gtx8800 requires a lot of juice, wouldn't find it unlikely that it got overheated in a closed environment. My old geforce 5900 ultra would start to give me fps drops if it was too hot in the chassis, so i had to remove one of the sides and then everything was fine again.

You are using XP right?

i am using xp yes, its not too hot, its hot but nothing extraordinary, mind you quake 3 is the only game with fps drops... Stalker, no problems. Command and Conquer 3, no problems. Dark Messiah, no problems. etc. lots of higher demanding games causing no problems, quake 3 is the only one it occurs.

Try switching one of the cores off for the Quake3 Process with "Set Affinity" in task manager.

well, ill try, but the system worked perfectly and quake 3 was perfect on my gt6600, on the exact same motherboard, cpu and ram, so somehow i dont think this is the problem :S

When I played Q3 on XP Pro with my 8800GTX my FPS would start off below 10, and when I could be bothered to wait it would manage to get back to normal (i.e. ridiculously high FPS) sometimes after a few minutes. Didn't look into it further because I don't play it anymore, and I haven't even tried it on Vista yet (drivers are different version for Vista too).

ok this needs to be known, it's an SMP problem and arqon has a fix for it

it would be nice more people knew about this, anyway i'll upload it! BRB

here we go:

http://files.myopera.com/KeithRichards/files/51753-nosmp.rar

just add it to your command line

oh and before some smart ass says use r_smp 0, that doesn't work.

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /KeithRichards/files/51753-nosmp.rar on this server.

http://www.trisoup.com/51753-nosmp.rar

werid, usally works:|

nice going there chump.

can anyone else confirm that this works?

Yes.

i have no idea how to make it work? you put in in the command line of quake 3? and how do you disable it again ? :S

Under run:
"E:\daniel\spel\quake3\nosmp.exe" e:\daniel\spel\quake3\quake3.exe +set fs_game cpma

It gets disabled once q3 is no longer active.

thanks, i tried it now, and it didnt have any effect on the tearing :-(

I believe we can now conclude this is a graphics driver issue?

hmm, when i talk about tearing its when the monitor is not in sync with the fps and you get horizonal "lines" because the screen can't keep up with the fps

hmm, well thats the closest i can get to it i guess ghosting or fps drop could be terms describing it as well... It feels like having 30-40 fps, but gonna check it out with fraps..

did you try the fix zim posted?

yeah i did, no effect, i'm almost convinced it have something to do with OpenGL version 2.0 and Quake 3 using OpenGL 1.3, but i tried overriding this with rivatuner, no effect(might be placebo but at first i found it to be an improvement).

This does nothing. Q3 keeps freezing.

thank you it worked!

Thanks for this arqon, my q3 is way smoother now, I didn't really realise how bad q3 was performing tbh (q4 hangover...).

whats a p4 dual core? :x

afaik you can have two p4 on the same motherboard if the mobo supports it?

then again that's not dualcore, that's dual processors :)

idd, guess the fellow just has a c2d[edit: guess he doesnt have that either seeing the text 3 lines below here ;p], cuz i dont think theres a dualcore pentium4 :>

yes, there are many "dual core" P4's.

oh hi

lol, I realize this thread is a few months old. =P

:)

it's not a core 2 duo?

nah, just the dual core thingy 800 fsb

smp errors ftw

im usin a prog called process lasso which can automatically force q3 to run at highest priority.
more comfortable than to disable one core every time u wanna play

but does that make quake 3 run better? i dont see how or why, anyways where did you get the program? always worth a try.

UR USCH A BOON U CNT PLY AN 8YR OLD GAME ON 500$ CARD HAHAHAHA!!11

The card was a gift, of course im gonna use it.

!!!!!! :DDDDDD

First of all speak only when you have some experience when it comes to games and hardware! Even quake 3 is slugish when you put everything high on your videocard. And i'm not talking in game-option. Morrowind 3 is also a long time out on PC but even the new videocard 7900GTX what i have has difficulties when it comes to distance view on the highest settings. I need to lower it then it's smooth.

The new videocards are able now to show the old game in full power/graphichsettings. In the past you had to lower your settings. You can't say that you can put Oblivion 4 on ultra settings without any stuttering! It is still very slugish. There is a fact that mostly the new cards can handle the new games but on low/medium settings. The very expensive cards might be on high settings. But stiill not without any stuttering. Facts!

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well , first try to change the priority to realtime for q3 via taskmanager.
if that solves the problem u can isntall process lasso which can be found here : http://www.bitsum.com/ProSuper.asp

i had a short lag after every 3sec when i was runnin q3 with standard priority.

i set it to reailtime, it still didnt change... Gah i wish i could record it so everyone could see it, but i guess it would need a 60-100 fps recording maybe even more to see, and this maybe wouldnt even show it anyways

you have a bottleneck somewhere. try switching RAM or something

Hello Jimmy,

Welcome back to NVIDIA Customer Care and Thank you for mailing the details.

Jimmy, I suggest you to download and install 97.02 drivers for your graphics card. For clean installation of new drivers, Please uninstall the existing graphics drivers * (check the below mentioned steps) for GeForce 8800 GTX graphics card. Download the Forceware 97.02 version of drivers from our website and disable onboard graphics adapter if any.

Please follow the steps mentioned below to download Forceware 97.02 versions for the GeForce 8800 GTX.

Please visit the link below to download the driver:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_97.02.html

On the following page, click on the "Primary Download Site" URL to download the driver. To avoid download issues, if you are running any 3rd party download utilities, please disable them as they are known for occasionally causing errors with the downloads.

* Once you download the file, Please perform the below mentioned steps to uninstall the drivers currently installed on your PC before installing the 97.02 drivers,

1) Right click on the Computer icon on the desktop.

2) Select properties.

3) In the next window select Hardware and then select Device Manager.

4) On the Desktop Manager, under Display Adapters double click on the driver option.

5) On the Graphics Controller Page, select driver and click on Uninstall to uninstall the Graphics Drivers.

NOTE- Before installing the new drivers please disable Anti Virus program if you are running on your computer.

Please get in touch with us, if you need further assistance.

Regards,

NVIDIA Customer Care.

Did it work? =)

no, unfortunately.

Response (DS) 04/12/2007 12:39 PM
Hello Jimmy,

Your case is being escalated to our Level 2 Tech Support group. The Level 2 agents will review the case notes and may attempt to recreate your issue or find a workaround solution if possible. As this process may take some time we ask that you be patient and a Level 2 tech will contact you as soon they can to help resolve your issue.

Best Regards,
NVIDIA Customer Care.
Customer (Jimmy Jorgensen) 04/12/2007 11:48 AM
This still did have no effect.

Now i tested if my fps changed when the tearing occurs but fraps records that it have a consistent 125 fps, at 120 hz. So i have no idea why it occurs.

Note that this did not occur when i had GT6600 128 mb ram, on an old driver i think it was forceware 66.66 but i dont think that old drivers are supported by gtx 8800?

I think the 8800GT card are made for windows Vista! Windows vista is making use of dx10 and so does the 8800GT. maybe it's dx that gives the problem. Or they need to bring out a new driver for the xp. Nvidia has bad driver support! Why not creating a driverdownload with all system support.

Are you serious, Q3 uses OpenGL.

I can confirm nosmp removing the exact problem for me
8800GTS/E6420

NCG

wow I have a AMD 64 X2 4400+/8800GTS and did the nosmp.exe and I still get the hickup not as much but I do.

nosmp.exe + all-seeing-eye how do you make this work ?

IMSG From United States of America pumpkin_:
"D:\quake 3\nosmp.exe" "D:\quake 3\quake3.exe"


put that in program location under q3 in games tab of options, according to your q3 install of course.

Light have you found a solution to your problem? I think I have the same problem with my core 2 duo.

First I found out that a part of my problem was that my displayrefreshrate was set to 100 and com_maxfps to 125, so they weren't in sync, and that created "tearing". Well to my happiness the game became much smoother - most of the time. But tearing (dunno what else to call it) Still comes from time to time, and it feels like 60 fps, even though i have 125fps all the time. I am not really sure what to do about this.... If you find any answer plz let me know. I will post back here if I do too...

This is so frustrating. Maybe it simply dependes on the fact that quake is a 8 year old game?

Actually i did have some success.. I had some settings in my cfg r_customaspect 1, and r_customwidth and r_customheight, removing these along with overclocking my mouse to 1000 hz really improved the game, i have no explanation to this but it did improve so its now playable, it is still less smooth than it were on my old gfx, but much better now.

I think theres plenty of problems still though, one being much never opengl versions on newer cards vs. old versions cards on older opengl, they are just more compatible. i have the exact same thing with feels like 60 fps even though it says 125 fps, or used to have, it have magically vanished or greatly reduced.

Anyways, i still dont have one decisive conclusion on how to finish the problem.

Thanks alot man! I downloaded the "improve mouserate thingy"!

I don't experience any lag anymore... I have played several hours without "tearing"...

What I did before that was to turn off every processe that i dont need. I also uninstalled my virusprotection since it seemed to run in the background even though i had it turned off.

One funny thing, I have acctually played alot with lag throughout the years, since I didn't know until yesterday that I should run the monitor (HZ) at the same speed as the game (FPS).

Is your config configured to 120Hz displayrefreshrate and 120fps com_maxfps or 125/125.

I turn off everything when I play, but the last time I played I left irc runing, which was fine, this overclocking of the mouse acctually seemed to do the job! I'm so happy, but I will be even more happy if you can get it together too!

It would be fun to hear from someone who understands and can explain why the game stoped tearing because i overclocked my mouse. What the hell did the mouse have to do with it??? The thing with the tearing was that it was not constant, i could play for about 2 mins with no tearing and then suddenly the world came down on me and it felt like 60fps... because of a mouse!

I had a notion a week ago about the mouse, but I have been into other thoughts lately, OpenGL, Soundcard, bad graphiccard, bad drivers, perhaps i should switch ramslots, and alot of other strange thoughts (I have reformated several times, I have installed the drivers countless of times, but this acctually seemed to do the job). But when it all came down to it, it was the mouse that was creating this problem all along - together with "tearing" in the begning, and by itself at the end.

Btw I have a core 2 duo, 8800gts 320mb, 2048mb ram etc.

I now run my mouse at 1000hz.

This is important knowledge imo (oh I have learend so much from my difficulties, I now peek alot in the tweaking companion for winxp, etc.), perhaps there might be other games with similar problems, and as we have seen, this can be one solution to the problem.

Regards

Cat0r

PS. I'll post if I experience any tearing, I'm still afraid that it will suddenly come back - it has done it so many times, but then we are talking minutes, now many hours of gaming have passed - but hey, im still afraid, but that's ok :)

yeah my tearing is more or less gone, so it kinda worked for me too the 1000 hz mouse overclock, i dont get it either, neither did the people i talked to, but its still very nice :)

I think you should upgrade your video card. Also try installing a math coprocessor. See if that helps.

lol, you just suggested he upgrade from an 8800 gtx.....

Until that new ATi releases, he can only downgrade.

;-)

bleh, i got the same problem now :(

also got a core 2 duo, 8800gts 320mb, 2048mb ram, and q3 starts to get jerky/stuttering even tho i always have constant 125fps :/

cant overclock my mouse, even if i do its still only running at 125hz
(logitech g1)

i actually think it got nothing todo with the 8800 but rather with the c2d, cause i was running the 8800 on my previous pc (a64 3700+) without problems :/

What processor is it? mine is Pentium D 3.6 GHZ im thinking about buying another maybe E5600 or whatever its called. the 2.66 ghz 1333 fsb one

E6750 (2.66 / 1333)

its quite good, if it wasnt for that shit problem thats killing me :/

Yeah, have to agree, i still notice it on my pc even after fixing about everything i found possible, its a bug thats really hard to document, cause of its nature, benchmarks doesnt show it, and you cant really use imagecapturing to show it either.

i cant answer ur question, but what do u get in timedemo four?

just interested to know what u get with that kind of setup/gfx card :)

I dont really know because i dont have demo four for the version of quake im running(1.32)

1.32 is the current version, the one im using!

/timedemo 1
/demo four

should work right?

....?

oh and it did:

www.ffs.dk/timedemo/timedemofour2048x1534everythingonmax.jpg
www.ffs.dk/timedemo/timedemofoureverythingonmaxnosound.jpg
www.ffs.dk/timedemo/timedemofourhighquality.jpg
www.ffs.dk/timedemo/timedemofournormalqualitynosound.jpg
www.ffs.dk/timedemo/timedemofourstandardeverything.jpg
www.ffs.dk/timedemo/timedemohighqualitynosound.jpg


A bit lower than i would have expected, but i guess it doesnt really matter

I also have this prob, get minor lag in duels..but tdm and ctf it lags like hell, just cpma not in baseq3.

Didnt have any lag at all before the latest cpma release.

that nosmp has to do with cpu affinity? Anyways I can't get that to work but I know for a fact setting Affinity to 1 CPU works perfectly. Before I couldn't play winamp without getting a pause every 2 seconds but that fixed it. nosmp won't stay up for me when I try to enter it into a shortcut to quake3.exe.

Im seriously reconsidering the idea of upgrading my hardware now after reading this.

1) It is due 8800 GTX only? Happens with GT and the 8600's too?
2) It is due the processor?

Thanks.

ok update on this I did the step on this link. This will set Affinity to 1 CPU everytime so you don't need any exe to run while playing quake 3.

http://www.robpol86.com/Pages/imagecfg.php

same here man :(

no 125 in quake is just wrong

but i want to play crysis and cod 4 with everything up :)

I wouldn't give a fuck about any other game if I can't play anymore a proper Q3 match.

quake 3 is perfection

my first love

i will never stop playing it

i will never stop trying to improve

quake zero should up the stakes with lots of new players and much better coverage

i can't wait. anticipation after all is EVERYTHING

I feel ya.

I hope Quake Zero becomes a huge success and makes people later play the new Quake Arena game.

Can't fucking wait.

"anticipation after all is EVERYTHING"

Wasn't that one of the lines in a Doom 3 trailer? :P

well spotted you geek ;)

yes it was hehe

Sounds like you need moar ram!

I looked into this a few weeks ago. The problem SEEMS to be that recent (about 6 months) nvidia drivers are basically going into Sulk Mode if they ever get a glError state, and NEVER come out of it. Older drivers don't have this problem.

There's a nice simple test for it. Set r_ignoreGLerrors to 0 and see if you get kicked back to the console.

IIRC, the rules on errors are fairly loose (as in, anything from "ignore any unaffected primitive ops" all the way up to "refuse to render anything to that context until the error stack is acknowledged") so I wouldn't exactly say the drivers are broken. It's certainly a rather ODD reaction for them to have, but given how badly Vista's DRM bullshit affects video drivers they've obviously got enough problems lately - cf only 2 XP driver releases in the last 6 months, 1 of which is unusable.

We THINK we've identified the offending part of Q3 (hooray for open-source engines) and fixed it in CNQ3 - it'll be released whenever someone has the time to package it all up etc.

Incidentally, that release also has DEMO PAUSING, YAY, and support for mouse5-mouse8, so you should upgrade anyway when it comes out.

can you pls lock sv_punkbuster to 0 in cpma so everyone can take advantage of cnq3 ?;/

Needs some form of guid type thing though, that's why all the servers still use PB :<

vista, core2duo + 8800gts I've tried r_ignoreGLerrors 0 and I was not kicked back to the console. But I had serious fps drops. I am not 100% sure but it looks like in CPMA 1.40 this problem doesnt exist. in OSP I've never noticed that too. hope this info helps...

oh - and http download/redirect, of course

my quake crashed.

How about recording demos within demos?! :)).

I know you suggested GTV by the way, but as far as I know it's impossible to skip through a demo, plus this way is ALOT easier and for more likely to get done by people sending in demos to somebody making a movie.

I attempted it myself but I hit a snag: I don't have a fucking clue what I'm doing. I'm confident in time that I still won't have worked anything out.

is there any chance at all, we'll ever be able to play single player using cpm?

every now and then I get bored and blast through single player but hate doing it in OSP =[

haha YEAH!

would this work with call of duty and call of duty:UO since is a quake 3 engine I tried it but it didn't work. what do I have to change to make it work with cod.

if you are talking about nosmp.exe i think so, yes, worth a try anyways, the rest of the fixes can have an effect too

nah it didn't work but what did work and it might have the same effect in q3 is this : change the Multi display/Mixed GPU acceleration to single display performance mode in the window below it. I got that from here: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=45083 and it worked in cod:uo dunno why that effected the fps but making single boots my fps strange.

well i already had that set, anyways. I lowered the graphics acceleration in windows 1 notch too, and a lot of other stuff. :p as you can tell from this thread

I have a similar problem and I've found using r_swapinterwal 1 solves my problem. tried it?

yes, thats vertical sync, and doing that will make your quake less responsive. You can get Quake 3 perfectly fluent without using vertical sync at all. Oh and it didnt have an effect when i tried it, except for the less responsiveness(you can see the movement lags behind when you move your mouse).

try this http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9951/q3os6.jpg

It works! At last I can play some q3 again =)

Many thanks!

I could be wrong but im pretty sure its your processor.

I recently went through a massive upgrade and one of the first things I got was my new 8800gt ssc.. So I put it in and expected great results.. and I did see a boost but.. I still had massive drops on certain parts of certain maps.. in certain games hehe. Anyways when I got my new core 2 quad.. no drops.. anywhere period.

I had a very similar set up. Pentium D 930 overclocked to 3.7. Even though it is dual core.. its shit. Your cpu is bottlenecking you.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1484070

PCIE issue

Look here:
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=158518&am...;key=&

and here:
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%...mp;ie=UTF8


QUOTE:
"The specs for 1.0a resulted in equipment that was too critical for other PCIe devices (with respect to timing and jitter-correction). These requirements can be flexible in the 1.1 to 1.1 equipment deal more equipment than other PCIe 1.0a. The equipment is not become more flexible with its own timings, but with those of others."

So i had to reinstall windows and the problem is back...
- Installed the driver i previously thought was the reason it finally was working. Didnt help

- Installed dual core hotfix from microsoft, didnt help.

- Changed various settings in the nvidia drivers - didnt help.

- Installed a new display driver from nvidia, didnt help.

- Added OGL_threadcontrol 2 to registry(fix from other site) didnt help.

- Tested setting affinity to either cpu, didnt help.

- Tested running cnq3.exe at high priority and in real-time priority in windows. didnt help.

- Added multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect /usepmtimer to boot.ini, didnt help.

- Tried running cnq3.exe in compatibility mode for windows 2000, didnt help.

- Changed mouserate to 500 hz, using usbmrs11.exe (mouserate switcher), this decreased the stuttering by a good amount, but still far from perfect.

- Tried underclocking the card through nvtuner, didnt have any effect.

-Installed 17X.xXx betadriver and this seems to have fixed it by to some extent!

What are you using to start it up? the defualt quake3.exe ?

cnq3.exe

do you get anything similar using the quake3.exe? or is it just with that startup?
Is there a +sf cnq3 command you could add to the command line of your quake3.exe icon that may get around it?

i'm quite positive its related to opengl rather than being related to q3 at all, the same thing happens(and is much worse) using quake3.exe ;) anyways, i managed to lower the stutter now again using a proper mouserate switcher, its odd but it kinda works... still nowhere near perfect.

Doesn't this suggest the issue is to do with the USB and not the grpahics card? Something's causing the USB mouse info to stutter which causes visual stutter as mouse updates are suddenly interrupted.

Try installing the 174.74 drivers from nvidia. Do not just install the drivers ontop of the other ones. First uninstall the current drivers, reboot, use program like DriverSweeper (HERE) to get rid of leftover files etc, Reboot , then install new drivers.

the newest drivers for gtx 8800 are 169.xx :S

Yepp, but the 174.74 are beta drivers :) But they have some game fixes which atleasted helped on the graphical issues in Q4 dunno about Q3 as i've not had problems with it.

aha it was not in the supported list of graphic cards but i tried it anyawys and now i set up some specific settings for cnq3.exe and this actually made it a good bit better. So thanks a lot :)

threaded optimization - OFF

hf

Dude, you don't need an 8800 GTX and all the other high-powered computing muscle to run Quake 3. I played Quake 3 when it came out just fine on a pentium 2 266 MHz, 128 MB RAM, and a Voodoo 2 8MB. It's a really old game, and it doesn't require a practical supercomputer to run. And I don't understand why it would overheat the GeForce 8800 GTX. Maybe if you were running Crysis on high or very high, it would overheat.

Can the 8800 GTX run crysis on very high? I've been told that no GPU in the world is capable of running Crysis on everything set to max. Except a Cray computer. I think I've seen YouTube videos of people videotaping themselves with single or SLI 8800 GTX's setting Crysis on very high, and it actually running. But Quake 3 was meant for a Voodoo 3.

ehm, i know that quake 3 can run on a poor system, i played it since day 1... Still i want to have a proper system for everything else, like my music and 3d max... So thats why i have a powersystem, and quake 3 should run properly on it, but it just doesn't so this thread is about that.

the only difference i noticed with my 8800gtx is that it can't handle q3's geometry properly..every single angle is jittery as hell..

Will the 8800/9800 GTX run Crysis on very high? Here, watch t his youtube video.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p8nFTiw7JYA

Whaaa, I had the same kind of problem, and the nosmp thingy did it.

Thanks a lot!

I dont have that problem. cuz i dont play q3.... i play Q4, its better..

Q4 should be awarded multiplayer game of the millenium

dont be fucking stupid.

its my personal opinon..

Stop feeding the trolls.

I ran Quake 3 on a Pentium 2 266 MHz, 128 MB and a 3DFX voodoo 2 8MB with absolutely no problem like ten years ago. You don't need a super-powered PC to run Quake 3.

I ran crysis on very high with the same specs. see ya on the bf2 servers dude!