do the ppl have to use xfire to contribute to those stats?

Yes. It's not a 100 percent indicator, but it's probably the biggest sign of whether or not a game is popular.

http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/

lol, barely more players than Q4.


UT3 is DOA.

a crushing blow for all danseko.dD of the UT3 community

killed by supposed Midway-forced-way-too-soon-release and PS3-dumbing-it-all

The game was released almost two years later than expected and it still comes out being unfinished.

It's not that the game can't become good, any game can be made to be better than how it was at release.

It's just so bad now that all the non serious UT players are going to quit, move on to something else and not come back once epic gets out three more patches and the game is where it should have been at release.

are you blind not realising the release was rushed ?

This confirms what I predicted for UT3 months before being released. Total failure. Another PK or Q4, even worse.
If you are a blind UT fanboy going to reply me with some shit, just save your time and don't do it. It wouldn't change the fact that UT3 failed before its birth.

Latest hope for the real DM scene: QZ, and that far away "new Quake arena title", which would be “the end all be all.” (c) John Carmack. Both titles sound too good and are being released 100% multiplayer focused, something id hasn't done since Q3 itself. Lets just wait and see.

Also Severity... lol.

QZ will FAIL as well.

at least they have the best chances:

they can copy q3 1:1 add some things and make it better.
they release it for free, so why make it bad if quality is the only reason to release q3 another time .
in interviews idsoft members have stated that they will now take it seriously and they now understand the future of deathmatch.

i myself could release quake3 with some added features from osp or cpma for free. i dont see a failure, i see a new standard rising with q0

maybe esr should make a new categorie of betting:

betting on new games how successfull and how good they are :))

Since when the comment of a nigra is taken into consideration? Leave this forum please.

It will fail no matter what.

if that is all you have to say ...

Hes a nigra. Nigras opinions about anything are nule.

it's "null," you moron.

Since im talking to a nigra, im so superior to you I can talk the way I want and you have to accept it and just STFU and disconnect.

you're a fucking dipshit.

Shut up and leave.

4chan humour is 4chan

gb2 gaia

yes the free game will fail!!

I doubt that a game being 100% multiplayer focused is the most important thing.

100% PC focused is what is more important, console compatability ruined UT3. The mouse inputs feel like shit because of the support for the sixaxis and 360 controllers on console. UT3 was multiplayer focused but didn't reach it's potential because of the consoles.

If UT3 ends up to fail after 6 months when the dust settles, I personally think it's more likely it died because of being released close to Bioshock, CoD4, TF2 and Crysis, than anything else.

wow, those gamespy stats are pretty bad considering the multiplayer in the game is done by gamespy (horrible move by epic). perhaps the big chance now for ut3 to get a fairly large pub base is with its ps3 release since it'll be the first big mp shooter on there with mouse/kb support

while this is sad for ut3 hopefuls it also is sad for deathmatch as a whole as it just reinforces the position that deathmatch centric games are not a viable project in today's gaming age. even something like ut3 which was littered with vehicles and warfare modes still had a deathmatch style to it and look at how its doing.

XFIRE, g1 m8!!1111!!

Xfire is generally a good indicator of popularity. Tons of gamers use it, competitive especially because it's easy to follow friends/clanmates to servers. You conveniently ignore that I also posted the gamespy stats...which is even funnier because UT3 is using Gamespy for its server browser, stat tracking and matchmaking.

UT3 is a stillborn game.

.

personally i would use irc to follow clan mates to a server .. why would anyone want xfire running aswell as irc

i just hoped it'd be good! :> oh well, qz next i suppose

now i dont want to say ut3 is good or bad but this is far more an indicator of the death of deathmatch rather then ut3's preformance per se. people who grew up playing dm have been turned away by progressively diluted gameplay and the developers worrying more about graphics. on top of that its expensive to keep up to date with the hardware need for these games and as the dm scene grows older so do the members of the community and eventually they have to move on.

there are no new people coming into the scene due to realism fps's holding sway with the general pc gaming community and now with the rise of online console gaming, however laughable it may be, the noobs are being attracted to halo etc where they can preform well without having to have any dedication to the game at all, instead of being murder 3000-0 playing a real deathmatch game.

its sad really cos i think we really are seeing the end days of skilled competative fps games and competitions and moving into a more bland era of sparkley, snail paced games, with a learning curve as close to nothing as the developers can get away with.

bullshits
dm pc scene is dying of not having a good game to plys on for years now, that's it

No.. He's right.

Why do you think we don't have any "good games"? It's not some coincidence. They wouldn't survive producing games for "us". They wouldn't survive producing games "we" would call "good games". We are the tiny minority, and increasingly so.

Same conclusion, different argument.

oh ok, so epic and id/raven ffucked up their last game on purpose. I see.. that's brilliant
:D

it wasn't a fuckup, that's the point. didn't you notice the huge single-player for pk, q4 and doom3?

quake 4; 81.7%

painkiller; 81.8%

quake 3; 84.1%

doom3; 87.6%


from gamerankings. see? negligible difference. it's we who don't like what they earn money making - we're outdated.

wtf do SP games have to do in the discution now ?
come on..

hmm

It all started with doom & doom2. Quake was a huge step forward. Then it was Quake2 and dm reached its peak with Q3 and UT. Those where the days. The golden era of dm.

I still read ESR quite frequently, even though I don’t play games, because of those days.

where is UT3's PR executive to fend such shameful thread?

Wow, look at all these cocky, arrogant noobs on this website.

First off, NEVER base ANY stats from Xfire. I know tons of UT3 players that don't have Xfire even installed. I myself uninstalled Xfire, due to the fact I found it useless to me. Right there, you prove that you'll use scewed statistics to base an opinion off of.

Secondly, UT3 JUST game out. It's very good out of the box, a LOT better then Quake 4 was. Quake 4 took two years to get to a semi-decent shape. UT3 is already in a very good shape, with very small bugs. I've yet to see one bug in the game from 20+ hours of playing it.

Thirdly, UT3 is your only chance right now to play competitive DM. Quake 4 is STILL extremely buggy, plus the game is completely dead. Quake 3 isn't going to make it into any big tournaments, and there really isn't much else, other then UT3. UT3 is new, looks great, PLAYS very well (Sure, the movement isn't as COMPLEX as Quake, but that doesn't automatically make it bad), and it's already had a lot of touraments. It had lots of tournaments while still in BETA, and on release.

So don't go calling a BRAND new game dead.

When a baby is born, you don't automatically assume it's retarded. You have to wait.

which is why i'm waiting to buy it, i'm not automatically assuming it's retarded, but i'm just being safe :)

Thats a pretty bad analogy. Again, release a game with all the features for competitive play out of the motherfucking box if you want your casual newbies to stay in the game. Only blind UT fanboys will keep waiting for the game to get decent. Anyway the game is so weak I couldn't care less. It is played by NO ONE compared to what it was said to be: The next 1v1 DM game. The XFire stats are not 100% accurate, but you know only "a lot", and you need to know "5000+" players not using XFire to put UT3 outside the "ridiculously little fanbase for a game released days ago."

Just stop lying to yourself, accept the game failed like Quakers did with Q4, and wait for the next game, (the one that seems will bring back some quality) Q0.

The reason it didn't have competitive features out of the box, is because the game is extremely moddable. What's the point in Epic trying to put in competitive features, when they know the community will create a competitive mod for it, and have all the features they want in it? It's not that Epic cares, it's that Epic KNOWS there will be a competitive mod, regardless of what they do to the game.

You're just so set on the fact that this game is 'dead', but in reality, it JUST came out. You're arrogant to think that a game is dead, when it hasn't even been released in some countries like Australia yet.

I don't know what you're little dreams are for 2008, but I guarantee you Quake isn't going to be in anything. Quake 4 is completely dead, Quake 3 won't be used (as much as I want it to), and no one even bought Painkiller.

Just look, within the first few days, there was already a beta patch fixing a lot of the bugs that were in it. It was released on Thanksgiving. How is that not caring?

So, we are Epic and we are releasing this consolized fps without any competitive features. We call it UT3 so Uters wank to it regardless the piece of crap it is. Since we are a bunch of big rich lazy bastards we make work the community for free, since we know blind UT fanboys love UT so much that they will code for free mods with all the things missing, that should be by default for instant optimal playing without waiting not even a fucking minute after buying the game. Things that we have been seeing for years now since UT99 or Q3 started to get those mods with "those", always missing features. In the meantime, we are getting richer and richer, and even more after the PS3 release. Before that, our blind UT fanboys (or just people that already accepted we don't give a fuck about those competitive features in our games), defend shameful arguments such as: Hey! We already know Epic:graphics=gameplay, and Epic already knows there are always blind UT fanboys that will code FOR FREE, hours of work, just for the sake of seeing the game at big events, so they can't get even richer! (if possible). Those features they don't add because they are used to don't do it because there are always people supporting unready-for-competition-out-of-the-box games that WILL MAKE MODS FOR FREE BECAUSE WE ARE FUCKING LAZY DO IT BY OURSELVES.

Signed:
Epic employee.

P.D: Don't forget to add brightskins! *kiss*

Making money off of engine liscenses certainly not UT3 sales... I played UT2004 and UT99 and I'm not touching UT3 until it's patched to my satisfaction.

to be honest the total players stats really doesn't have alot of bearing anymore on whether a game is going to be the 'next 1v1 game' or not after PK and q4. i really doubt it ever will also since 1v1 dm is a pretty niche genre that isn't really newbie friendly and played by a small group of gamers compared to team based gametypes.

a games overall popularity can be bad but its 1v1 mode still good and worth being the 'next 1v1 game', though from watching some ut3 duel vids i doubt that is the case here

Yeah, but while someone (which cares about having fun and playing a quality game while competing at the same time), the next big "DM" game, besides being on tournaments where you can go and make 1.000.000$, has be a game that delivers the same overall quality as QW or Q3. Why not use QW or Q3? They are retarded.

Okay, maybe QW is way to hardcore (old looking) in the graphics department, but Q3 still looks good enought at max fps. Guess what? Big events still hasn't found the formula where they can get sponsors not depending on how much CPU/GPU consuming the game being used to compete is.

UT3 sucks donkey balls. Stop denying it and just deal with it.

It always takes some time until people really start playing a game online.

See ET:QW for example. People were arguing that it only has 2000 players and y now it around 6000.

So before you make any judgements aout UT3 based on online stats you should wait at least three more months. And then it's still just online stats...

nearly nobody is playing etqw, that's just bots which arn't filtered out since last patch

and i couldn´t believe that the number of players increased in one day from 1500-2000 to 6000.

Seems like the update that occured at that point changed the server query protocol and gamespy hasn't updated - causing a sharp increase in player counts due to improper parsing :)

hm, ok.

But here seem to be quite a few players who do/did play it. That is of course assuming they filter out bots for the players stats, but I would believe that.

ofc there are players
but when I browse the server browser I have to find a server not filled with only 0 ping players and that's like 1 server out of 4-5
this game is a failure too according to the number of players, mostly because it's doom3engine (in this version fps are uncapped for everything exept friend and ennemy models which are animated at 30fps (same as tickrate) and this sucks gameplaywise ; beside the engine running like shit and its ugliness)

you are too fast:

to see how successfull ut3 is(was) online you can maybe state after 6months or 1 year

and if a game is played by a large number of people does not automatically means its a great game
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i think ut3 is good but not as good as the old 3 titles.
yes tbh my bet is that it goes down faster than ut2k4.
epic has not fully realized what deathmatch gaming is about like id and raven with doom3 and quake4. now they have made alittle bit similar mistakes (although not the very same ones) imo.
nice game, but not built to withstand a glacial period.

Who cares? I'll play whatevers fun and right now UT3 is fun, and its the only way I can continue deuling in australia.

And why on earth don't people talk about TF2? its fucking brilliant out of the box. Valve are releasing patches nearly once a month that address known bugs and there is constant modifactions made to the backend.

It's also incredibly good fun. In Australia the scene is quite large and there are ladders running already with teams from all DM-esque scenes occupying the top postions in the ladders.

Its succeeded in appealing to all scenes whereas ETQW and possibly UT3 also most likely will not.

So stop bitching about games being dead and what not and go play some of the ones that are alive and kicking.

Let that chinese farm his + in peace for god sake !

"And why on earth don't people talk about TF2?"

Because it's a horrifically dumbed down patronising piece of cack, roughly speaking.

but looking incredibly good
graph > gameplay

i play with shithouse graphics because of my pc and it's still fun.

no grenades + no bunny = big fail for a tf game :(

so true =(

Get away with stats!
There is not even a linux dedicated server yet and there are problems with the uplink to the gamespy server if clients connect via console etc. This is why several ppl don't use a correct account for the game spy master to let ppl connect by ip instead of the server browser.
This of course discards any of the games for the stats since they are not being reported to the GS stats.
Additionally, some leagues just started with their new ladders, you might give them a few weeks.

Just wait for the first non-beta patch and maybe judge again after most of the ppl patched their clients as well.

Regards,
René

no one i know use that 'xfire' you speak of.

does anyone have the link to Mark Rein's quote saying 2/3 of UT2004 copies sold were never played online?

I don't understand how they can never get it right.. Brightskins, server browsers, and competitive features should be installed 'out of the box' by now.. :(

game devs dont care about the competitive community even though the "pro's" do their part in promoting the game (if its at wcg/eswc etc etc)

but ye i agree all this should be provided and they SHOULD know this by now

quake zero will open the way

I never used xfire and I never even cared about that, statistics are bullshit and most of the people like, doesn't even have the game yet and are playing on cracked servers that afaik don't even record the stats. The game is good, just needs some minor issues, played all ut's and I could tell by far this is the one with best gameplay.

ohshit

I guess this will learn epic
/me waits for ut3.5, coming in a year ?

"Do not use the "open" command. It basically makes the dedicated server switch to LAN settings. This cripples the server because it stops responding to the master, and will no longer take queries. Hence the reason why a lot of servers stop showing up. "

"you mean every server which is used ONE TIME with open is not in gamespy stats?"

source : http://www.unrealnorth.com/forum.php?action=v...p;id=51664

which would explain why the number of online ut3 players is crashing down this bad

Post updated with link to Gamespy stats for people who didn't see the link 2 replies below. By all accounts, especially compared with the immediate success of COD4, this game is a commercial failure so far.

NUMBER TIME

Oh, and let me throw these numbers out too.

UT3

$9500 - Igromir 2007 UT3 Open Tournament
$8500 - UT3 Launc at Omega Sektor
$104,000 ($41500 + $62500) - UT3 National UK Championships (Play.com)
TOTAL - $122,000


Quake 4

$20,000 i32
$76,000 WSVG (4 stops) ($15,000 + (Travel $4,000) - Each WSVG Stop)
$19,000 ESWC
TOTAL - $115,000

The UT3 tournaments were even BEFORE FULL RELEASE

I might be missing some Quake numbers (I couldn't find prize amounts for ESWC)

Regardless, even if Quake 4 beats UT3 in cash money, you still have to look at the facts. The UT3 tournaments were even BEFORE FULL RELEASE OF THE GAME. UT3 hasn't been out for two years.

Seriously.

if nemcel hadn't posted his racist crap you would have won the price for worst argument in this thread.

ok, so more money has been pumped into ut3 tournaments than q4 ones; what does this prove?

The point isn't to prove that one game is better then the other.

It's to prove that UT3 isn't dead at all. It's idiotic to think that a game that just came out, has had more tournaments and cash prizes, then Quake 4, which is a two year old game.

All I'm trying to do is show that a brand new game isn't dead.

that's fine, but then you may want to consider Painkiller. SO much money, so few players--game was a flatline at birth

You're just showing you can throw gratuitous amounts of money at a dead game.

Like Q4.

so if someone will give you 5000$ you would play happily with dogshit? hf then m8

OH FUCK YES FOR 5000$ I WOULD PLAY HAPPILY WITH DOG SHIT
depends how long though

HALO 3 TOURNAMENT = 500,000$
SRY GO HOME NOW LULZ

damn i laughed my ass off in that one interview of mark rein or someone else from ut3 that said something like this: "UT3 is the fastest and most action filled deathmatch game ever with stunning arsenal of unique weapons" or something really close to that.

well, i think somekind of shroom farmers sponsor their foods.

i hope eswc doesnt pick ut3 and sticks to a quake game.

3,000,000 guys wearing shorts play halo

Are the *nix server files already available?

only windows server afaik.

Not to try to justify anything, because I admit, UT3 has quite a bunch of bugs....

but, they havn't released the linux server yet, which explains the lack of servers. Atleast I know the only (that I know of) danish hosting company that offers UT3 still doesn't really offer it as it will be available "when linux server is released".

On a sidenote, I have a feeling that people just got the game and atm they're messing around in singleplayer, atleast that's what I'm doing right now =D

SP with max graphics, then MP with uber low gfx :P

I'd run four or five servers if it wasn't for the sucky dedicated server, the lack of documentation (there's zero) and the need to create one GameSpy account per instance.

Epic are a bunch of idiots who don't even care about the people who run the servers for their clients to play.

I even hate the gamespy auth for clients of no matter what game. I always forget my login there, and all the emails are already used, then using the forgot my password option gets dull after a while. Using this for servers sounds even more stupid.

Well if it's that fucking funny then why don't you fucking laugh then?

chill the fuck out gordon

Gordon get away from the SHUTTING DOWN.

I wonder if the out of the box version is even a proper release, the CD is named something like UT3_RC7 which does suggests its a release candidate :)

And you paid for it, BWHAHAHAHHA.

You're one of those incredibly annoying people who doesn't look at all the facts huh? THE GAME HASNT EVEN BEEN RELEASED WORLD WIDE YET.

You're one of those incredibly annoying people who doesn't have an esr account. TYPING IN CAPS DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.

ALSO: :>>>>>>

au=austria(?)=germans

more like australia..austria should be .at

then he must been some german living in Australia
:))))

and you really hate those cunts, don't you ?

Right. Germans.

lol at the time of writing the game hadn't been released in the US,Australia, some parts of asia and MOST parts of europe....

Good investigatory work champ!

oh noez more anonymous aussies ...

www.game-monitor.com

Compare the numbers of people currently playing UT3 vs other games, then laugh/cry/shit bricks @ ut3.

Play TF2 instead, awesome fun!

haha awesome

TF2 is more fun

You must be french is LUL even a word and if it is what exactly does it mean? lol stands for laughing out loud so whats lul mean? If ur not french u must be from world of warcraft right?

lulz is a corruption of lol

lel

uk
uk and de start to be all the same
I think almost 80% of the time if I see a so called super-scientific-logical reply the guy must be from UK or Germany (Island is close there, too)

"Heil to the king, baby!"

Haha, how could I have missed a discussion full of trolls and losers that wank over fake statistics. There are tons of players and tourneys to find in UT3 - already.

If UT3 is "dead", then I wonder what Q3 is..

Fossilized?

lol

fake stats? gamespy? you have any specific reason to think that these stats are failing now, that we've always taken as a good rough estimate before? and by how much would they be wrong?

I have no clue, but I can tell you this much - I own both Q4, UT3 and 2k4, and UT3 is the one where it's easiest to find a game for me. The stats show Q4 and UT3 as similarly ranked, and 2k4 as way above (probably mostly because the stats include bots).

In other words - this thread fails.. :P *going in for another duel*

how scientific

and these stats, counting bots in some games, and just plain not registering in others, are very scientific? ;P

Oh sorry, did I ruin the whole "YAY ANOTHER DM FPS GAME DIES"-atmosphere for everyone now? ;(

Its true that the stats looks kinda weird compared to how Q4 was back then. It is not that hard to find a public server in UT3.
That said, you can't deny that UT3 is a big flop if you compare to number of players as it is now. Please dont try to say otherwise :)

he can he is danseko :D

There are a lot of tourneys to be picked games for and there are a lot of patches and mods to be made before one can call it a flop ;P

And the most stupid thing to do is to write an article about xFire / Gamespy stats 1 week after release like this faggot of an OP did here. For me, the fear many wannabes are having for UT3, is the most absurd element of the whole situation.

All I've been saying, is that the game has been well received, I'm having fun, and it's easy to find a game. Not that it can't or won't flop. Counter-argument?

http://www.game-monitor.com/search.php?game=ut3

Total Players: 459


vs cod4:

http://www.game-monitor.com/search.php?search...cation=all

Total Players: 22,654


O lawd is dat sum commercial failure?

What! A realistic team shooter succeeds on the market? I never saw that coming.
then, say.. lets compare Halo3 to any of your favorite games, shall we?
or Britney to any of your favorite artists?

then the question remains: why do you care enough to make this thread - and then repeated, uninformed posts about this subject? Hmm.. my psychic sense is picking up certain words about your situation.. something about... "loser" and... I'm getting another word.. "idiot"..

Okay wait a minut. You say there are tons of players! Yet from what we can see there are only like 700 players which is very very low compared to a game like COD4.

"All I've been saying, is that the game has been well received, I'm having fun, and it's easy to find a game. Not that it can't or won't flop. Counter-argument?" We are not discussing how good the game is nor how much you like it, but how big succes it is compared by number of players.


"There are a lot of tourneys to be picked games for and there are a lot of patches and mods to be made before one can call it a flop ;p" Okay keep believeing that. Now that linux patch is out, there might be a little hope. But it sure isnt big, and i think you are naive to believe that this game will be a succes player wise. But I hope you are right.

- "Tons of players" was from two weeks ago, was obviously an exaggeration, even though the 1200 players obviously weigh tons ;P What I meant, and said later, was; of the multiplayer DM games I have tried the last years (UT2003/4, War§ow, Q4, UT3), this is the one where it's easiest to find both competitive and public players. Still is.

- That the number is very low compared to a game like CoD4 is no surprise, nor is it a surprise that CoD4 is ridicoulously low compared to for instance WoW. Does that mean everyone playing CoD should bow down to WoW and consider their game a failure?

I won't put any money on UT3 being a success, like I've said several times. But this game has plenty of potential left before you can declare it "dead", like many fans of competing games, seem suspiciously eager to do.

It should be no surprise that UT3, force released in a beta state close to Bioshock, Crysis, Orange Box, CoD4 - would have a hard start.

And I don't think anyone in their right mind expected UT3 to compete with simpler team games like CoD4, TF2 and WoW, on the PC. Did you?

Glad you say you exaggerated.

True, that most people didnt expect UT3 to compete with a game like COD4 playerwise. But we are talking here about a 1:40 ratio difference. Thats just too much of a difference.

One of the reason to hope for a new game is to get a new fresh big community. UT3 has remained almost the same as ut2k4. Thats imo very disappointing. Competetive wise it has been way harder to find a match in ut3 than ut2k4, but hopefully that will change from today because of linux servers.

I dont think many expected this low number of players right now, but lets see how the future will be.

"UT3 has remained almost the same as ut2k4. Thats imo very disappointing."

Nope, UT2k3/4 stats have always counted bots. ;P So that number has nothing to do with reality.

Believe me, I was in the beginning of UT2k3 and it was waaaay more of a "failure" than this is. I remember when they sat up the pickup system on IRC and everyone were so happy they might actually find players to play with.

"Competetive wise it has been way harder to find a match in ut3 than ut2k4"

Sorry, this is just wrong. Both in terms of tourneys and good competitive players even on public servers, UT3 remains the best of the above mentioned games. And yes, I played them all. I don't know which stats are wrong here, but I do know that Q4, similarly ranked, was a player desert even in the beginning.

""UT3 has remained almost the same as ut2k4. Thats imo very disappointing."

Nope, UT2k3/4 stats have always counted bots. ;P So that number has nothing to do with reality."
Ehh? I am saying that the community of UT3 is almost the same as the community of UT2k4. What has that to do with stats?


"Believe me, I was in the beginning of UT2k3 and it was waaaay more of a "failure" than this is. I remember when they sat up the pickup system on IRC and everyone were so happy they might actually find players to play with."
You see it as a succes beating UT2k3? The game Epic dont even wanna know about anymore. The game they had to do a rerelease to make up for the failure. Sure, UT3 might be succes compared to that :)

And I can just say that for me and many others it has been very hard to find a prac game. Everytime i searched for duel no one answered, cause no one had a server. This was no problem in ut2k4.

Seriously why dont you stfu and let ppl play what they want to. The DM scene is dying get over it. Maybe just maybe if everyone thought of themselves as DM players rather than Quake/UT players it might still be alive and have some sort of future.

Play Ground behaviour!

tee-hee-hee

momma Dolores giving lessons... :p

lol

I just think it's funny how tons of people on this site were "happy" that Q4 was going away and hyping up UT3 like it was going to be the savior of 1v1 gaming, putting it into CGS etc. Instead, it's a total failure and isn't going anywhere except the bargain bin.

And it still has gay movement.

only Q3 players were happy Q4 was going away.... all new games get "hyped" and tbh just because one person thinks something it DOESNT mean everyone thinks it.... everyone is entitled to their own opinion just like you are.

i personally dont give a damn if there is a dm game at cgs let alone ut3

no one is forcing you to play anything you play what game you like, if you dont like the movement stay with Q3. See thats the difference between ut players and quakers, we dont ram things down your throats but maybe we should

In all fairness, this was purely Q3 site at first, until players from other games started showing up and ramming things down our throats.

maybe we should all leave then and you can have fun with your Q3 news

ye then maybe people will realize theres no such thing as 'esportz'

TAKE THAT BACK!

why do you even choose a side when your not playing anything actually. ;)

im not choosing a side, but peoples attitudes are appalling

you said "we", i guess you meant the ut side with that. :)

well lets face it who is the most active admin on here, who posts the most news, who came from a ut background ... if all the users from other games didnt post on here there would be very little news.

<3 the Nicky ;)

Surprisingly, guys like Carmac and RedEye also come from an UT background..

UT - creating contributors since 1999 ;)

more like a quake site imho, not an q3 site.

I think it's funny that it was basically the same guys that flamed Q4 to death, that have been flaming UT3 :P

Its a bad game, unfortunately

ut(99) was always about the feeling of the game, not about perfect balance or gameplay, when they tried the quake 3 aproach with ut2k* in my personal opinion they failed, with ut3 however i believe the same feeling is in the game and that's what made me go back playin' ut even if all the quaker's think i should burn in hell : o
Q3 is great i recon, but they are different aproaches to a similar concept that's all, accept it, life will become simpler

Agree with just about everything you said here.. I've heard very very few people testing UT3 saying they dislike it, unlike what was the case with both Q4 and 2k3.

I think the main thing on this stat is that the old games have the most players. What does that say? Only the hardcore / powerusers have computers that can run these new high end games. The majority of people buy games to fit the hardware, not the other way round.

every game monitoring statistic site i've looked at has shown more players playing quake 3 than ut3 lol

Yep, this is probably correct for the time being.
However I would say UT3 > 2k4 at this point. UT3 is much bigger than 2k3 was the first months after release anyway.

http://forums.beyondunreal.com/showthread.php?t=193120

Even the UT fanboys are lamenting that Epic Games, the studio that brought you Gears of War, have created an Epic Failure in UT3.

just like quake players did with Q4 ... yippee

Ignore him :P His trolly post is referring to another troll, who again refers to the same bs stats everyone's cheering about in this thread. :P

UT3 is currently being released for PS3, receiving nice reviews, then XBox360, while continously being marketed. Etc.

I don't think these guys would spend this much energy convincing everyone UT3 is dead, if they didn't think UT3 had a future.

"UT3 is currently being released for PS3, receiving nice reviews, then XBox360, while continously being marketed. Etc."

and how do you think this will help the PC UT3 players in getting the community bigger? ;)

If it gets big enough on PS3, it's going to help secure UT3 some nice tourneys I hope? It's also going to generate continous buzz around the game's name for sure (which UT3 didn't get from 2k4).

why would it get you PC ut3 tournaments when its big on ps3...?

Because sponsors are stupid, and all ESWC needs to say is "UT3", and the sponsors say "hmm.. my son plays UT3.. it must be big".

In addition, PS3 owners can identify with the PC players, because they can play with keyboard/mouse too.

UT3 has the multiplatform, good looks and an eSports attitude. If I was a betting man like you, I would say it has a pretty good chance of getting picked up as the "DM FPS"-alibi for tourneys.

i so hope this will end in lots of ps3/xbox ut3 tournaments :P

Who cares? I'm pretty sure I would do as well with a mouse / keyboard playing UT3 on PS3.. as long as you have m+kb, the console is basically a computer with a pre-installed OS.

*shrug* :P

well if you don't care then np, gogo ut3 ps3/xbox tournaments ! :D

Again I just have to say, if this happens, and m+kb is allowed? *shrug* :P
But I think the arrangers will pick PC, because its easier to administrate and looks better.

as of now:

30. Quake 4
407 servers, 208 players

31. Unreal Tournament 3 (PC)
752 servers, 206 players

nuff said

As of now:

1. Aquashark spending time on ESR flaming other games, including using unreliable stats (~300 mins/day)
..
18. Aquashark spending time on ESR praising games he likes. (7 mins/day)
..
27. Aquashark spending time actually playing games (3 mins/day).

:p

currently i'm playing Quake1, Quake2 (TDM) & SFA2 on a daily basis
after i'll upgrade my computer i'll play TF2 and ET:QW too a lot

usually when i'm @ work i spam ESR :P

Why TF2 btw? I had some fun with it, but it didn't really seem to have any competitive potential, CS is imo more fun as a team game tbh.

CS is repetitive with a shit modern combat theme and hitscan weapons.

TF2 has classes (which involves more teamplay cooperation), a lot of wild action with a diversified arsenal of weapons & gadgets, brilliant graphical theme + humour.

do you actually compare playing as Spy in TF2 with CS? you truly lack a sense of humour..

Play Fortress Forever, heathen. TF2 is a fucking paddling pool.

sorry, i'm playing for fun and TF2 doesn't take itself seriously

You started it by bringing TF2 into a discussion of competitive gaming :P

CS for me is as competitive as any retarded flash game with a highscores table

A game in CS starts as a teamgame but can end up as 1v5, 1v3, 1v1 etc.. although I consider UT3 much more interesting, the above is what makes CS interesting to watch. TF2 is fun, but it's just a continous smear of teamplay.. there's little or no room for individual performances to stand out - in a spectatable way.

Also, check out your beloved stats, which you used to measure competitive success, and see how TF2 measures up against the CS'es.. ;P

I win.. again?? :(
Damn, sharky, our discourses are getting repetitive! ;)

no wsw ? :(

waiting for 0.4

0.3 although visually awesome, lacks the punch in weapons department :/

What is going to happen in v0.4 release? hmmm... google...

First of all, a sum-up of some of the more noticable updates and changes:
- WarsowTV: Ability to broadcast games to alot of clients at the same time, in effect an multiview-demo livestream.
- New renderer features: Bumpmapping, specularmapping, realtime reflections and other advanced enginefeatures.
- Pre-set profiles for graphical settings: ranging from low graphicsettings for better performance to extreme settings to bring highend pc's down to their knees.
- Improved bot AI: Bots can bunnyhop, time items and powerups, walljump and dash, dodge rockets, etc.
- Minimaps: 2d topdown views of the map displaying items and players, for spectators and for use in WarsowTV
- Tweaked CTF gametype
- New playermodel: Bobot

(Taken from here)

But I don't get what you're waiting for.

they already announced some weapon tweaking in a newer blog entry. hope it turns out ok

quake 4 ftw
hope they keep on playing Q4 gogoooo toxjq fojji av3k cooller ...

unbeleivably UT3 got a 9.0 rating for the PS3 :\

'cause the only other games on it are poor tomb raider clones and some other crappy action titles, they probably haven't seen a fps for years.

Whats the 'unbelieveable' part?
That ut3 got 9,0?
Or that a PC fps port to PS3 gets 9,0?

UT3 to PC got the same score.

its not even a 9.0 on pc, and itd be worse with a controller :<

Well I disagree about it not deserving 9.0 on PC.
But since you play alot of consoles i see and follow IGN, I will reveal a secret for you. Sites like IGN dont know shit about multiplayer eventhough they have millions of hour experience playing computer games. They are clapping there hands whenever they frag a novice bot and see some gore in high definition.

IGN gave 9.2 to Unreal Championship on xbox and UT2k3 9.0 on PC. UC is just shit, and it just shows IGN's credibility.

well ye i do console alot more than pc nowadays, but i did play the UT3 demo (pc) a hell of a lot when it came out and found it fun, its just worn off abit now, id give it an 9 if i still played, but since the fun factor has worn off im marking it down a point as i aint played it in about a month and dont even have the urge to play!

and ye i totally agree with the IGN statement, HD graffics and newbs killing bots = 9/10, abit sickening.

FPS are not dying. UT3 is just a sucky game.

What does have the so called "death" to do with the absence of the linux server.

What does have the so called "death" to do with the shitty UI.

Right, nothing.