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And geez arQon. Someone musta been mean to you!

Don't you get it?

arQon deserves to be a prick - this community is full of emo kids who need to wipe the snot and tears out of their fucking faces before speaking.

unless the douche bags who flame arq can bring something to the table, they need to stfu and play.

the scene has taken such a turn for the worst its not even funny. What used to be a community of gamers trying to make something epic, turned into an emo cry fest.

take a look at the teens today, soak it in...thats right kids - this is what happens when fathers stop beating their sons for being pussies

the internets is serious business

LoLuMaD?

eGames: When you look at the modding-scene today, how would you describe it in just three words?
arQon: Bunch of idiots.


epic win. lol

some kinda rant :>

I don't think it's that bad in all cases, but I guess that's what you get in a rather antisocial community combined with showing a certain attitude and the freedom and anonymity of the internet.

emo

kinda short

part 2+3 coming, they're kinda busy tho

Typical arQ rant... but he's right

Amusing read, but what did Epic exactly copy? Ut3 is such a poor game in terms of features, they even didn't manage to include the features of UT2004.

they copied q4's failure

HAHAHAHAHHAHA YES ! SO TRUE !

threewave ctf...

instagib, I believe

OK ARQON, get this straight, alot of cry me do ye,but i play your mod all the time, its good, no worries

AWESOME work with CPMA, arQon + rest of the peons. I would not be playing q3 today if not for this piece of exceptional coding and design. Thanks a zillion! CPMA should be the default and out-of-the-box mod for Quake Live..

My only problem is your attitude.. generally.

At some point people just can't take the shit and whine anymore and instead they cut through the constant bullshit and tell things how they are. Harsh but fair.

there's still a difference between saying how things are and whining back/being lame/aggressive

No question that he probably must have been frustrated while writing this. But he knows about it.

true yet AnthonyJ does the same more or less and look who comes across much nicer.

arqon rocks and all, and has done heaps and bounds but he's still a cunt with a superiority complex that he doesn't need to throw around.

well i don't think it's fair to compare AnthonyJ to arQon. of course, both do fantastic work but Q4Max doesn't touch gameplay for the most part. most of the whine and rage directed at arQon begins with changes to CPM gameplay which are often quite drastic but have a lot of thought and input provided by the rest of the team (from what i know atleast). remember the rage when default gameplay changed from PM1 to PM2. now imagine if AnthonyJ removed crouchsliding from Q4... the whine would probably be similar. maybe he would still be nice about it but IMO it's rather hard to put up with so much whine and rage for years together.

i'm not trying to justify his personality. i just think that CPM as a project is bigger "flamebait" than Q4Max is.

Its rare for me to get as frustrated with the whine as arQon, but part of that is because I havent "snapped" and joined arQon in "fuck em all land", as I believe he described it when Diabz and Zhakal were annoying me re superhud.

I'd say thats just a matter of time though, and he's got 6+ years of whine headstart on me ;)

dare to add a sound to crouchslide for the sake of a cool whinefest ?

omg, if I'd still playing q4 I'd switch over to GTR if that ever happens.

lol this is the internet not your fucking checkers club, lol nice ppl on the intaweb

Nobody can deny arqon is arrogant but his attitude isn't that big of a deal, he isn't really trying to make friends and he's only usually a dick to people who can be politely described as 'quirky' and not so politely described as 'cross-eyed drooling morons'.

Likewise the people he's friendly to I'd politely describe as "the people who agree with him/his views and/or plays his mod/s/" and not so politely as "arselickers". Before anyone feels like enlightening the world that you don't have to be an arselicker to play someone's mod or agree with him, I'd like to reveal the shocking truth that you don't have to have any particular flaws to be swept in by at least a couple of his many extreme generalizations and subsequently be belittled and called all kinds of shit.

Basically, if you don't play arQon's mod, arQon thinks you are one dumb fucker and calls you out on this in every fucking interview and almost every comment he makes. Because if you don't like any particular mod, you're shallow and dumb and don't know what you SHOULD(!!) be doing, and if you DO play a certain mod that is not his mod, you're an idiot because his mod is better at everything and if it lacks something it shouldn't have it and you are wrong wanting it.
This might just be something that ticks people off, but I guess it's all fair and justified since arQon's feelings were hurt first, aww.

YOU'RE GOOD AT CODING ARQON!
YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT MANY THINGS LIKE COMPANIES ABUSING MODDERS ARQON!
BUT YOU'RE COMPLAINING OVER PEOPLE GETTING ANGRY WHEN YOU'RE JUST TELLING THEM THEY'RE IDIOTS WHEN DISAGREEING WITH YOU ARQON! :(

:O))

Good point.

Your entire post is invalidated by your claim that arqon is in any way friendly, to anyone.

Actually I disagree with arQon on many different aspects but we still get along fine.

I get along with him fine too, and I do understand where he's coming from with the way he deals with people. It really is a "thankless" position to be in, and one can only take it for so long...

Agreed, CPMA made me love quake again :)

i dont have problem with his attitude. his attitude is like it should be.

bring the shaft back, slave.

I'm just kidding. Nice read, although it's kinda sad that everything he says is true. (Not the fact that arQ says it, but the state of the modding-scene..)

He's right...

lol, arqon is such an emo kid...

that said, cpma is the best thing to happen to quake, ever.

Best thing that happened was the release of QW.

osp was

aerowalk

you may have a point there :<

Need moar.

gotta love arQon's comments. totally agree with this guy and I do approve his manners too :)

arqon spent too much time on esr

bombing run is made because of the mod fragball :) other than that I don't really know what epic has copied.
arQon is right though, you see someone make a great mod and all they get is bitching, that's why I'd never attempt to start anything "big" :)

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ehehe arqon is such a bitter dude

try using years of your life on unpaid work and get tons of shit in return..

i have a feeling those "tons" weren't fewer thanks to his attitude.

Did somebody force him? Even if he would´ve coded something reasonable it would still look odd to make big efforts for the whine community and then complain that this community follows its nature (e.g. whining) permanently.

Yeah, that sounds really rewarding - will try! : p

He has obtained his position of whiner/dictator, and people put weight to what he says and thinks; and that´s what he did it for.

he's right.

The First german link has a lovely title ;)

hehe nice quote

cry me a river

You seem a bit raged mate, and a lot of it is truth. Although I have to say that the practice you get working in a game engine for a mod can often lead to a job in the games industry, I think just about every one of us level designers and about a quarter or so of the artists and a few of the scripters here at Grin started out making game mods.

It's good practice and experience, also quite fun, at least it's been for me, creating ideas and stuff I enjoy, if I don't like the feedback I get then I ignore it, and if they get rude I tell 'em to fuck off. That's about it, and I still like doing this stuff. A creative outlet is a creative outlet, and is necessary for me to stay sane :D.

indeed, even JohnC said that he would hire people who have done some nice mod work (which they did, Method).

id hired method? o_0

Either that or he's joined clan [id] without meeting the membership requirements ;)

cool.

He's one of those guys that signs his posts in a non-anon forum? I've always thought that was weird.

-f0cus

:D great quote

though i think most ppl respect the work of modders, but obviously they dont post everywhere like the ranting whiners, its the silent majority...
+ ppl arguing about certain features of the mods doesnt in any way mean, that they dont appreciate the work in general

Just release a new version with the old shaft.Everybody wants it.Its a small favour to ask :P

<3 cpma but arqon needs to work on his people skills :)

He's talented, but ArQon's ego hasn't let him see past the haze that nobody in their right mind gives credit (or offers real, paid work) to people who are self-serving, egomaniac A-holes, constantly in demand of a pat on the back and a holier than thou e-shrine every time they turn on the intarweb.

Wait a second.. are you saying people who act in some way you dislike shouldn't get credit but nice asslickers should?

absolutely not. you don't have to be an "asslicker" to be tolerable. It doesn't matter how good you are at what you do, if you're a d-bag, nobody will want to work with you, which limits his options to either A) make his own company and dictate that which revolves around him, or B) continue to be a whiny know-it-all and get no public credit outside of the 17 cpma nuthuggers that actually post on esr.

You forgot C) find people who share same views

Well, when people:

A) Notice the shit you make.

B) Use the shit you make.

C) Care about the shit you make.

and

D) Despite being one of the people mentioned in point C, with the privilege of point B at no cost to them and while contributing absolutely nothing in return, give you shit about the shit you make.

I'd say his attitude is justified.

arQon interviews fun :))
Oh and by the way, all of you who see "emo/bitter/crying" in there, you're all a bunch of idiots projecting. There are people perfectly capable of making cutting characterization and concisely articulating disdain for any purpose without being emotionally invested in the matter.

Ad hominem is such an easy way out. Shame people don't have the brains to see further. :(

Yeah but what do you know, your name means virgin flower or something.

hahaha

MENSTRUATION!! I'm the creative life force and shit. I can kill you with my stare.

I'm MC menses and my flow be fresh :c

Yes it's called autism.

How can he moan about people copying?.

The mod he's most popular for CPMA was brought about by a bunch of old QW players (Griff,hoony etc) who wanted to see a mod for Q3 Which *COPIED* the best bits from QW and put them into Q3.

Yes CPMA has evolved since then and I have no intention to start a flame war about which is better QW/CPMA.

My point in short Arqon is most famous for CPMA a mod that was started on the basic premise of copying the best bits of QW.

"How can he moan about people copying?."

Where did you see moaning?

"My point in short Arqon is most famous for CPMA a mod that was started on the basic premise of copying the best bits of QW."

It's not like he ever implied that it wasn't? This doesn't have anything to do with the fact that if you, for free, make a successful mod, a for-profit company will copy it and not even give you credit. Everyone in CPMA has always been open what gameplay design aspects came from where, it was always part of the discussion afaik.

My point in short Arqon is most famous for CPMA a mod that was started on the basic premise of copying the best bits of QW.

Wrong. CPM gameplay wasn't started as a copy of QW.

Not quite, CPM's aim was to fuse the best parts of Q1, Q2 and Q3 to create what people felt Q3 should have been. It's copying because it's a part of the same series with that explicit aim. There are plenty of ways in which CPM's system is unique.

Creating new concepts has never really been CPM's aim in any case, it was all about improving Quake gameplay rather than reinventing it.

not 'what people thought', but 'what arqon thought'

I'm not sure what you mean, I am replying to this: "My point in short Arqon is most famous for CPMA a mod that was started on the basic premise of copying the best bits of QW..." because it is wrong.

two most prominent features of cpm are bunnyhop and fast weapon switch, both of which are copied from qw.

And the double jump, strafe jumping and railgun, which are copied from Q2. As I said it's a blend of all 3 Quakes which was the aim. If it were supposed to be a QW clone it would be.

OH NO YOU COPIED SOMETHING!!! RIPOFFFFFFFFF

I'm just saying, to me cpm feels more like qw with ramp jumps. The main weapon is still rl since rail is nerfed(not that it's a bad thing). So it's understandable that q3 players are reluctant to switch and qw players just rather play qw.

QW has ramp jumps which kinda goes to show your experience with it. -_-

so that's why it feels so much like qw! :) (btw stairjumps)

and of course teh bestest thing in TDM evah: weapon droping :-)

I think he's more bothered about taking other people's hard work and claiming it as your own all the time charging people for it.

So, where is the picture of the man?

He has a funny last name =)
Jamerio Length answers as well. He seems like some kind of masoschist. Whining so damn much about modding, despite seemingly spending so much time doing it.

I realise that he might be very creative, and what he's done with CPMA might be fantastic. But damn, why the hell does he continue doing this shit if he doesnt like it?

The featureset mods like OSP, Q4MAX, PK++, HL2DMPro, and so on, are simply doing a job that should have been done by the company that sold you the game. Instead, extremely bright, talented, and dedicated people give up literally hundreds or even thousands of hours of their free time, and put up with incredible amounts of abuse from the community, for absolutely nothing in return except personal satisfaction and the chance to play a game that sucks less than it did out of the box.

i completely agree with this and i thank all the people who are / have been involved in CPMA, OSP and Q4Max for giving us mods that actually made the games worth playing and so many large scale tournaments possible.

Good read thus far.

Although he says people turn their back to "proper" mods to create something "shiny" which doesn't get released 90% of the time anyway...

Does that tell us about the coders who work on mods just like their e-cocks stroked by some kiddies who go "ZOMG THIS SCREENSHOT LOOKS KEWL!!!!!" ?

Go browse moddb (for any game). You'll find pages and pages of mods that show screenshots of shiny new features but arent ever released.

Mainly I'd say its newbie modders who take on something way too big for themselves, show a few pretty screenshots to get some praise ([+]'s in ESR terminology I guess ;)), and then give up when they realise how much work is actually required.

which makes me even more amazed that several doom3 mods (including hexen, the dark mod) are still going on after a few years now (although hexen has yet to release, dark mod has an alpha out).

I believe JohnC was right when he said that modding is going down because of the huge amount of work required. Add to the fact that nowadays people expect close to industry quality work and you basically have the development time of a commercial game without making any money. It doesn't help either (a point where I agree with arQon and I have never been apart of a mod team) is the sheer amount of abuse that some modders take, it is just unbelievable how ungrateful these people are.

He also said "I believe that three programmers, three artists, and three level designers can still create the best games in the world."

That was in January 97, so I'm pretty sure you can work out what came next. :P

But yeah - the asset drain in new games is getting brutal. The thing is, that comment IS still true even today, but only when taken literally. BEST games. Not "prettiest and shiniest".

Hands up everyone who thinks Crysis is actually a good GAME by ANY standard, let alone a better one than Portal.
Exactly. :)

Big [+] for Crysis comment. That game is fucking joke, I don't understand people who spend shitload of money just to be able to run Crysis. Silly fools.

every now and then, i do like a game that's really pretty to look at plus some mindless fun. i thought crysis was good in this regard.

You spent 10000000$ on a new machine and realised it wasn't worth it, didn't you?

only about 1000$. the last time i upgraded was about 4 years back so i needed a new PC anyway.

raged

I'm the last of the 'old crowd' left, and while 'relative' newcomers like Anthony Jacques (Q4MAX, note of the editorial staff)

I'm a relative newcomer only because I stopped for quite a few years in the middle of my "modding career" ;)

In general I agree with a lot of what arqon said there, including the "bunch of idiots" comment. The only valid reason to do modding is because you enjoy doing it, and the level of whine from the community takes a big lump of that enjoyment out of it.

Thats the one good thing about moddb like sites, at least people are positive about things rather than wanting to knock holes in it and complain. Its just a shame all the positivity goes towards pipe dreams which will never happen, and those who're more interested in getting good publicity than building a good game.

Yes, but i think the main problem people have with arqon is that he cant or doesnt seem to want to even take constructive criticism and still acts in the same way towards a well thought out, constructive post as to a whining, unconstructive post. Personally, im pretty neutral on the subject but i think thats how most people seem to see arqon.

most people are dumb

I dont remember seeing him answering constructive criticism like you mention. He might not agree, but i have only seen him be civil about it.

But unless you manage to code a punch in the face into your mod, most wont understand the trouble you goto.

Well with all this talk of negativity, id like to say you did a fine job on Q4max and keep up the good work. I wouldn't even play Q4 if your mod didn't come out to be honest. The only gripe I have is netcode (rumble rumble I want it to be like cpma). Everything else big thumbs up especially with the super hud and stuff. Good job and I support ya

yw. :)

It is understood that those who're happy with things are never as noisy as the whiners, of course.

loud happy people = gays

dont have time to read the iview

but cpm coding is what allows me to play quake 3 as i have a rubbish ISP :) osp sucks 4 me.

many thanks to arqon for providing it :)

All i would say is please arqon, stop tinkering, cpma is good as it is/was! :P

ATLEAST IM NOT BITTER!!1

Bill Hicks!

I hope he doesnt think this is somehow exclusive to modding or gaming. Swap some words and he could be talking about almost anything in life.

Amen!

Arqon rules. Yeah, his attitude seems too harsh but expecting someone to stay completely sane and polite after suffering years of idiotic whine is a bit too much :-)

i dont get it why he has to "suffer years of idiotic whine". just dun interact with the community, thats ez isnt it?

someone will always find you email, irc nick or even msn login.

As you mention, ignoring *some* people is often the best solution, as it's a complete waste of time to offer explanations to morons.

However, if you construct your criticism in a calm and concise manner, perhaps even support your arguments, you increase your odds of an arQreply™ tenfold.

Not interacting with community also means you are ignoring useful feedback...

CPM rocks. CPMA is the best q3 comp mod ever, but :

"Just to be even more insulting, if you create something wildly popular, companies like Epic will simply copy it without so much as a credit and try to pass it off as their own idea."

Q3 CPM is basically QW + VQ3.

Q2?

ah yeah Q2 sry xD

Epic and other companies actually make money. Have a great idea?

Too bad, they'll copy it without giving any credit, then get paid for it. :|

I'm sure arQon is willing to credit the Quake series for CPM gameplay basics if nobody on the CPMA team has done it yet.

Which I'm sure has been done already.

read above

this guy is a legend. his mod isn't perfect, nothing is.

but q3cpm is the best computer game ever in my book and a lot of that is due to his single minded vision/arrogance

to those people that want him to be nicey nicey to them, get a life, the quality of the game is all.

"look at me, i'm important"

arqon. he's kind of a big deal.

rhea was treated pretty well wasn't he? i mean nobody was showering him with gifts, but everyone was pretty appreciative to him ya? arqon is just a dick, so he's treated like a dick.

nc.rr.com eh anon? who are you? same here

Maybe it's you from the future...

haha

CPMA is great
his attitude is not

You guys should digg the article here.

http://digg.com/pc_games/Frustrations_of_Game...ent_Part_1

if you haven't heard of digg.com it's a site you submit news stories to and if you like the article you 'digg it' it then goes to show on the front page in which case many more people will see it

Does the .com part stand for computer ??

no no it stands for communist russia because the internets where the site is located are there

Did somebody say internets?? >.>

your president did.

somebodyshoothim

Somebody resurrect Oswald!

maybe you haven't heard, but he was shoted by the illuminati/NWO

I like his style.

I agree, i'm tired of the mawkish shit running around everywhere...

have the other 2 pages been posted yet???

does he like wSw? :D

Who cares?

it just fits

hej fazz ;-)

ESWC?

dreamhack =(

:(

Well imo I think a lot of the whine that arqon has received in the last year or so is from him changing or removing stuff that the majority dont want changed or removed. There is no reason to remove the old lg. I mean you have like 8 or 9 different styles of rg but you can't have 3 styles of lg???? Doesn't make any sense to me or most other people either. Also he seems to have a piss poor attitude towards most things and he saids its from being nagged at and called names. Well there lots of people that get treated like shit in life and most of them don't have this pissy attitude about them. He makes mods for public use, he needs to realize that along with the good comments hes gonna get the bad ones as well.

I guess it makes moroe sense when you know that CPMA wants to be standalone (This is why we have other icons right now)

Haters should be worrying about the game companies ripping them off more than some dude that's invested years of his life fixing their shit no matter how rude he is. Christ, grow up.

He sure knows how to get attention.

Anyway, for those who bitch about the enginewhiners: Who TF cares? It's them who's missing out. Taking offense from a minority speaking in all caps is just stupid.

That said i got something else for the game play part(and I guess this is ix's part and not arqons). Nothing has really happened in the past 20 updates and the things that did change weren't thought through, not put through a proper test phase (no, using the same 10 guys, who never plays anymore, is not proper) and generally felt like they were just there for the heck of it. I mean, is this promode or yourmode?
If you want to actually improve the gameplay of the game I suggest putting out surveys to a broader/newer audience asking the right questions and, you know, using the achieved data. I'm not talking out of my ass on this on, just look @ the amount of times you tried to better CTF and no, it does not differ from the amount of failed tries (personally still like a game of ctf now and then tho).

Clearly, it's yourmode.

"talking out of your arse" is EXACTLY what you're doing, and you even managed to pick the worst possible example to fail to support your claims with.

CTF has gone from completely unplayed (and rightly so) a few years ago to the most popular game in the second most popular pickup channel on all of QN.
"number of games played in the channels in the last 7-8 days": #cpmpickup (1237 games)

Way to own yourself HARD. :)

would be even more if there was a hook...

:p

Yea most #1 chart hits have a catchy hook!

Firstly NOTHING has changed in ctf activity. Secondly whenever I play ctf now I get 80 frags and dies about 10 np, meaning all the good players have gone astray. Thirdly I've read 4 books about game design and user satisfaction and daily make games for certain target groups, I know wtf I'm talking about.
So how about you start using this community, you so desperately continue to ignore you have, for a change?

How about 10 caps instead of 80+ frags?

how about 15?

Thats not true.

CTF has always been played from the beginnings from the Clanbase Eurocups, Nationals, and the Barrysworld/Jolt's leagues which is now on Season '26'.

Your probably getting confused that the TDM/Duel scene has deterioated very quickly in the recent years, Albeit mainly due to Q4.

Technically the CPMA mod is the best. But it doesn't give what most CTF players want...hence a low take up.

As for the modding scene, 1 decent mod is enough, 2 is a crowd and just splits the community.

Cheerio.

Talking about Promode ctf

which is waaaaaaaay better than vq3ctf! i always laugh at the ospctf guys.
man, they're so slow and stupid.

most of the vq3 ctf'ers that i've seen play cpmctf usually rape the cpm players after they get used to it.

rape is such a strong word. i know ddk is godlike and all, but i don't see him outplay ze cpm nerds.

also i was talking about the fun-factor. vq3ctf is zzzzzz.

That's like one game every 10th minute over the whole day. Do they do multi pickups or what's up?

That's a lot of games indeed, can anybody verify if the numbers are actually accurate or if it's some fart in statistics?

http://www.echbot.com/stats/
http://www.echbot.com/stats/stats.cgi?chan=cpmpickup

Thanks!

So.. correct me if I'm wrong, the "games per day over last month" graph indicates that average of ~25 games were played each day for the past 7-8 days, but "#cpmpickup (1238 games)" suggests that 155-176 games were played daily.

Which one is the correct?

i don't know exactly, but i'd say 170 games is pretty far fetched, too. you'll have to ask the admins, i guess.

The counting broke a couple of months ago, ~25 games a day is accurate.

Ix is right, I suspect they switched from games played the last 7 days to last month (or 4 weeks) and forgot to update the description.

Still, pickup activity has gone way up over the past 2 years, and most importantly it rests on a wider base, e.g. not a couple of people with a ridiculous amount of games but a lot of people with an average amount, which can only be good in the long run.

it just fits

That number is wrong for games played, it's actually about 180/week, but it's still the second most popular.

shh, you're destroying his dream.

Which changes are you talking about? What you say about testing is nonsense, they've had long test periods on the pickup servers with everyone able to try it.

You mean like the time when you introduced 5 ammo rockets and 95% of the community stopped playing? Trial and error is the wrong way to develop a game, will you ever learn?

The rocket change was wrong, we kept the GL and RG ammo changes, that was some time ago and the game worked fine but people are so used to spamming away with rockets that 5 was too difficult for them to adapt to. No process is perfect but overall the changes are for the better. Our method works, if you have an alternate then you're welcome to try it. We're not using your survey approach.

" 'you'll eat this pile of shit and you'll like it, because now that we've got your money we don't have any reason to keep our end of the deal and actually deliver the game we promised. Fuck you, haha'. "
exactly what I was saying when I complained about Red Orchestra

kev's awesome when you know him or work with him.


DONT WORRY BABE I GOTCHA BACK =D

hmm. This isn't QUITE what I wrote. The words are the same, but the edits have had a bit of on impact on it.
To give a key example, this is the original email:

--
>> When you look at the modding-scene today, how would you describe it in just three words?

> Bunch of idiots. :P

> Modding is ...
--

That's a rather important difference in tone to how the article has it. The paragraphs seem to have vanished too, so it's a bit walloftext.

Agreed. You should edit something like a smiley out because it help set the tone of the discussion.
It's true about the paragraphs too. I was like "paragraphs please?", when I read this. It's sad to see such bad editing. =/

I thought your comments were amusing. Most people today are dependent weaklings. It is good you do not bend to their flawed will.

Yeah sorry for that. You're right.
But for an interview we only use continuous text on eGames.de. We already left some of the paragraphs in it.

I'll give you the unedited Part 2 next time.

maybe keep at least the english version to the original interview? maybe that's ok for your site :)

Yeah, we'll do that and release the original file along with the third part.

Part 2 is coming tomorrow - sorry for that, but we're really busy over here :|

I thought I was cynical...

anyone who thinks that modding is a good path to working for a game company is delusional.

Splash Damage was a mod team who are now a pro dev house. I have been involved in the mapping and modding community for years, and I know countless people who gotten industry jobs. Honestly, every mapper, modeller or programmer I know with any skill who is genuinely interested in working in the industry currently does so.

Modding can potentially be thankless - but you do it to give yourself an opportunity to be creative. You don't do it for the glory, because there is little to be had. Great work is its own reward. Creating a successful mod then complaining that people have *gasp* expectations is ridiculous. Most modders would LOVE to be a position where the community actually takes an interest in thier work.

Entertaining interview, as always.

i'm not sure if game developers would like to hire creators of mods that point out the large and obvious flaws in their games ;)

That is a shame - because that is who they should employ.

ah well maybe they do.. i was just joking.

I would generally agree that mod experience is one of the *best* ways of getting into the industry. However, I think I can see arQon's point better within the context of his other comments.

Ironically, it's the modders who make the "shiny" aesthetic mods that are more likely to be hired over the likes of a modder who creates a novel gameplay mechanic. Sadly, demonstrating artistic/technical abilities is generally much more likely to land you a job than showing off innovative gameplay/ideas. Companies generally don't hire people for their ideas, for various reasons--unless, of course, you're Valve. :)

Yeah - as chop said, if your work is predominantly ASSET creation of some form, it's not a bad scheme: you can show that you're familiar with not just the general concepts but the specific tools, platform possibilities and limitations, and so on. For people making games based on pre-existing engines (or even, tho to a much lesser extent, genres) it certainly makes sense to draw from that talent pool.

That said, it's still not a "common occurence with a direct relationship", as some people are trying to make out and many (apparently) think. In most cases there's an attempt to proclaim causality where none exists because people WANT it to be true, not because it actually is.

who ? .

most mods aren't competitive driven, and most of their audience's don't come off as bitter, whiny, adolescent, prepubescent little douches. i would have to agree with most of what he is stating, just look how pathetic Gotfrag is and their forums. Basically kids with the only incentive to annoy wades in the shallow gene pool of forum troll-land.

LoLuBlenkinsopp?

Love arq!
And yes, hes right again

Damn, just got done deleting a post I was making, because I was getting off on a tirade about professional gamers degrading modders.

arQon is, if you ask me, completely justified in his bitterness - regardless of the edits from the original interview that 'cushioned' the impact of his words. CPMA is a great piece of kit that I really love playing, if not for the competition features, the CPM gameplay that allows for ridiculously fun things in physics and gameplay. I don't particularly care where it was from - I never got to play QW and because of the assholes that surround it, I don't really care to. But it's a fucking blast.

People like arQon and AnthonyJ are really quite awesome in what they do for their respective communities, and personally I could never give enough thanks that could completely wipe the effect those who bitch about shit endlessly do to degrade them. And here's to hoping that we'll get to have AnthonyJ for a long time before he retires to the Palace of Fuck You that arQon is in now.

Modders that really bust their ass, have far bigger balls than I do. That's for fucking-A sure.

Give 2nd part already

arqon is a stuck up little bitch
the only thing he can even do is talk since he gained absolutely nothing from cpma

Oh ice cold, ICE cold.

He gained immortal fame, a pair of invisible mirrored shades to wear after he dies, a personal entry on the Wall of the Raged, and a mini-hooker in spray, being delivered by UPS* to his place of residence as we speak.

All in all, a good deal!

*UPS being Ulysses Pedro Sanchez, the retired Argentine beer can hunter of great renown. He has a tamed Stingray.

yep cs copied action quake 2

aq2 was better also

Why do people really hate Arqon?

Simple.

He says: "Oooh look at the nice stuff you can have in my mod don't you want it?" And then everyone says "Wow that's sweet, it's only missing X and Y to be the best game in the world". But then Arqon says " I won't put the things everyone wants in it even tho I don't play your particular game type, matter of fact I'll put useless shit in it just to piss you off. Thinshaft with no alternative? BAM! WHAT NOW BITCH!" "85hz physics? HAHAHA SUCK IT YOU MORONS!"

Doesn't help his cause now does it?

There is an alternative to thin shaft, cg_altlightning 0.

Hardly an alternative. I was referring to proper osp/ra3 beam not that lightning bolt shit that covers half the screen.

The shaft thing came about because people whined so another shaft change that it ended up at a partial reversion and arQon was too annoyed to spend any more time on it. The shaft graphics should be reverted for the next version of CPMA.

As for your stupid comment as if 85 Hz physics is imposed just for fun sadism - first of all it's not 85 Hz physics, it's 125 Hz jump height, minus maybe 1 unit without the acceleration and gravity rounding errors. It's a necessary part of the CPMA netcode, without it the CPMA netcode would not be possible, that's why the 125 Hz rounding physics isn't coming back.

are you saying that implementing osp/ra3 125hz movement in cpma is impossible?

The netcode and the 125 Hz rounding error movement are mutally exclusive so yes. I'm sure the 125 Hz error movement could be messily simulated but people would probably find it too different to the original and I doubt anyone has the patience to code it.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I personally don't have a problem with 85hz physics. What I find strange in cpma is kind of unresponsiveness and when you put cg_predict 0 you get movement lag. :/

"first of all it's not 85 Hz physics"

Yes I read what you wrote and I said that even it it was 85hz physics I'd be fine with that. Whatever it is tho it's quite different than osp/ra3 and I don't mean only in terms of jump distance. Tried cg_predict 0?

No, why would you? That's like unscrewing the steering wheel and complaining the car's hard to control.

I am totally doing that tonight...

Also try cg_unplugmouse 1 for extra close control!

Whenever I come home drunk, movement feels floaty and my aim is totally off. Need fix asap!

Ok obviously I was sidetracking you with that predict 0 so I'll try to keep it simple this time. What I meant was there's more to difference between osp and cpma than just jump distance. For me it feels less responsive in a way, like when going for a jump after dropping of the ledge. In CPMA you'll just get stuck or miss the jump completely. It's VERY different no doubt about it.

It is different but doesn't feel less responsive for me, OSP feels like being underwater (that's not trolling on OSP, I'm just saying that the platform I'm used to feels responsive and the one I am not used to doesn't). I guess it's about what you're used to, so when you're not used to slight differences you tend to make mistakes that feel like less responsiveness.

Com'on eGames.de!

Why are the internets so weak