hubster
ztn

aerowalk = preacher
cpm4 = khaile

Both pretty much MIA as far as i know.

And they should include cpm3a and cpm1a (both jude).

why are you replying to me? i know who made aerowalk, but he asked about hubq3aeroq3, hubster remixed it so it is his map ...

btw who cares about cpm maps ...

Aerowalk is still preachers idea & concept, credit should go 100% to him, not Hubster.

i am sure if they will use this map credits will go to both of them, but without hubster they cant get the same map as hubq3areoq3 and i just posted contact to him ...

edit: this topic isnt about concepts & credits, ist about contacs to peple that can share maps source files to iD

ztn@planetquake.com no idea if that still works though

this is not a wasted effort people!

who is stripy?

just a fun loving quaker:)
and really unimportant question for this subject

You're in the beta right?

why would we need the authors' permission to play these maps in QL?

the maps are their intellectual property
if id were to use them without the mapper's permission the mapper could sue id

id also need the .map files to add advertisement banners and make any other necessary changes for the map to be Quake Live ready

I see.

But would ID even include these maps if they had permission?

as far as i can tell they are considering it

nice! what about the pukka maps...

If QL won't be able to run Q3 maps out of the box - it will be instant fail.

who's gonna mail him ?

I WOULD RATHER SEE NEW MAPS IN QUAKELIVE!

There has to be an easier, faster and simpler way to slightly update Q3 than what they are doing...

Quake: Live?! Seems more like a complicated Quake patch with every minor detail that is released! Don't get me wrong, I'm really looking forward to it and really hoping for it to be good and succeed but how is it going to refresh Quake if its the same maps? How will newbies be any more comfortable as players will have YEARS more experience than them?

More questions but I have to go /rant :)

what does this have to do with newbies "being comfortable"? Think there will prolly be enough “simple” maps, and the matchmaking/ranking system or what ever they develop will take care of everyone having fun. Imo casual players are the last ppl who should worry about anything.

I'm all for new maps, but thats not mutually exclusive with having proven maps(maps that haven been proven in various quakes and have passed the test of time) as well .

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I'm just trying to say that many players (including top level) get bored of the same maps and this is not really doing anything to make it fresh again. OK disregard the noob point but if new maps aren't released then why not just release a patch and freeware Quake at this stage?

Anyway, good luck getting on to the authors - as I have said, I am really looking forward to it and really want it to work (especially as I myself am quite late to the competitive / more-than-casual side).

you didn't get it. the thing about quake live won't be new maps or content or graphics. it will be the match making system.

All new maps plz.

/aglee

i'm all for new maps, if the maps would follow the logic and suggestions mentioned in this thread: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1495978
but i also think some greats should not be skipped.

anyways, this isn't a vote...but tnx for bumping the thread:)
stripy

for ospdm5 and 6 you'll need MOB-Teddy. No idea if he is still around. Perhaps ex members of the NA West clan mob can be of help

Teddy did ospdm5 and druzli did ospdm6.

Yeah you are right my bad. Still I'll try to find teddy just because I adore osp5 :)

great, keep us posted with your progress in tracking him down!

And osp14/15!!!!!!!!!!!

no remix plz :(((

new maps +

remixes better then the old STOCK one :)

Does this mean that the beta invites have been sent?

That would mean none of the ESR-users got one since there's no "yay I'm in the beta" thread yet ;)

And, as someone I dont remember who said, no whining.

No, the beta invites have not yet been sent out yet.

K, thx.

SyncError, Could you confirm/deny if a custom map made with Q3 can be played in QL with minor or no changes? I may do some gameplay fixes to ospdm8 in this case.

k, stermy lied.

There is a small closed beta currently going on (has been since December). This beta has its own invite system that has nothing to do with the public signups/invites that I'm referring to.

As I see you just here SyncError, does id-software still listen to the input of the community about QL? And if so, where is the right place to do so (esreality preferred)? Thank you.

I hope you made a typo with wcp15 and really meant wcp14.

Need both 14 and 15.

this wasn't just my doing, was a joint effort of a few players.
ure welcome to suggest smth we missed and help find the authors:)

the q3wcp9 mapper "Scancode" made a LOT of CTF maps, including q3wcp14, q3wxs1, q3w5, q3w7, q3wcp18, and has already been contacted!

okay time for some updates:

- for 1on1 we got in contact with the mappers of ztn3tourney1 and most likely hub3aeroq3 very soon
- for CTF we got in contact with the q3w3/q3wcp9 mappers

the q3wcp1, q3wcp15 and cpm4 mappers still need to be tracked down, any help is welcome!!!

As far as I know the q3wcp15 creator remade his map for Q4 (Should be a thread about here somewhere in fact)

He released an early version of it, but by his own words it isn't nearly finished. He said he probably wouldn't resume work on it unless there was significant interest.

*edit* His contact info may be in the pk4, I don't recall...

Stupid using old maps.

I have no desire to play a "new map" only to be playing against someone who has a 6 yr head start on it and has exhausted every single strat and tactic.

If anyone would like to play old map, do the quake community a favour and fucking stick to the version you're currently playing because your flawed and narrow minded way of thinking is only going to be its downfall.

It should be possible for any decent mapper to knock out a q3 type map in about 4-6 weeks and maybe less if id pay them a few dollars and promise them some credit.

No one cares if they use a recycled texture set.

I swear some of you lamers are scared to play anything new because your timefragging asses can only win a game after your billionth game of ZTN and won't even CONTEMPLATE the idea of playing a new map and convince yourself its crap before you give it a chance.

Quake deserves to die if at every opportunity people want to play the same old stuff.

so does Tennis, Soccer, and almost every other real sport deserve to die too? their courts/fields never change!

competitive CTF will die if the only CTF maps in Quake Live are gonna be lame space-themed (q3ctf4) or maps with no depth (q3ctf1)

at least let the people have tried and tested good maps to get things going, new maps take time to make and i'm looking forward to seeing them

You know Tiger Woods had to learn all those golf courses others have played for years, poor fellah!

yes but you can't compare quake everytime with tennis soccer etc...
It's sensless. Ofc it has similarities, but it is NOT the same thing.
And then tell me why is the mappool composed of 4-5 maps in duell when you do need only 1 map (if we follow you reasoning) ?

Variety.

And if I were you, I would better have compared Quake with Starcraft.
How does starcraft work in Korea ? Always with new maps.
Imo we should change (or add new maps) the mappool each 1-2 years, would be the best way to go.

But in fact I don't care, stupid vq3 :> !

I would pluss you, if there was no last sentence :)

I'll plus you then :)

Not everything can be bought with plusses...

I don't know how long it takes you to learn a new map, but for the rest of us with any skill, it takes a few days at most. No matter what you do, VQ3 will still always be about firing around corners and timing armors.

If someone can beat you on an old map, they're still going to beat you on a new map. This will not change anything.

I have no desire to play a "new map" only to be playing against someone who has a 6 yr head start on it and has exhausted every single strat and tactic.

that problem would exist on new maps as well..matchmaking has to solve that.

As i mentioned be4...i want new maps. but i'm also realist that i cant expect a full set of new and great maps...have we ever gotten that? so why not a mix of both?
anyways enough of ot.

ppl..if u want to help plz try to find the authors. and send them to this topic, or send there info to qlmaps at googlemail.com

you are the definition of troll

Get a fair formula from all the successive maps and apply it to the new ones to make them successive in the same key.

[id]Method is in the process of making new maps and was asking about good map design a while ago on ESR... so yes they're doing that as well

from now on please keep this thread on-topic!

there are ppl that only want old maps
there are ppl that only want new maps
pleasing both crowds with a mix of both old and new maps should be the way to go?

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1496856#pid1496856

we should contact cpma team to see if it could be included in QL too.

























come on....

Please, let the worst dictator since Stalin off this fine game!

"there are ppl that only want old maps
there are ppl that only want new maps
pleasing both crowds with a mix of both old and new maps should be the way to go? "


That is a very good way to go about it. Besides [id]Method, is there anyone else working on new maps for ql?

OSPDM11 too no idea who made it though :(

geit?

haha yeah it says it on the levelshot :D

Think it's a great idea including some of the better old maps. Sure, they've probably been done to death on the competitive scene, but if you pull your heads out of your selfish asses for a second and realise, THIS GAME ISN'T AIMED ENTIRELY TOWARDS YOU.

Infact, I dare say id will view QL as a major disappointment if the only players playing it are the same people who've been playing Q3 for the last 8 years.

Even some of the players who HAVE been playing Q3 for a while have probably seen nothing outside of the stock id maps (the people still playing on servers with older point releases)

If QL takes off the way I suspect id want it to, it won't be long before the mappers come crawling out of the woodwork to supply new ones. We've been playing the same maps for almost a decade, is another couple of months REALLY so bad ?

we definitively know the game ain't aimed at us.
but why does one exclude the other?

tbh not gonna ruin this topic even more, gonna answer u via imsg

couldn't agree more. MAJOR disappointment if we see the existing Q3 maps just remade and becoming the main maps played. Ideally no remakes at all, and just new good maps. Obviously you have those you find change a very difficult concept.

1vs1: ztn3tourney1, hub3tourney1, hub3aeroq3, cpm1a
TDM: ospdm5, ospdm6, ospdm11, ospdm14, ospdm15, cpm4, cpm9
CTF: q3w3, q3w7, q3wcp1, q3wcp9, q3wcp14, q3wcp15, q3wcp22

These are pretty much the only custom maps I'd like to see in QuakeLive.

q3wctf2?

I don't like that map :)

oh i see, nice list

aero?

die plz

Well it has been/is used a lot :( and it can be fun occasionally (like 5min 2vs2 on it)

impulse, you were able to find ztn? where at? =p

ne_duel and pukka3tourney2 would be nice to see in the mix. I've never seen p3t2 in action but ne_duel seems like it would be a decent map.

there are some p3t2 demos on this site.

okay some great news again!

i managed to contact the hub3aeroq3, cpm4 and q3wcp15 mappers, and they are all very positive about this idea

we are almost done now...

q3wcp1 is proving to be difficult to track down but it is one of the best CTF maps so it's my next target

i could use some input on some other maps, since i'm not sure if they're worth pursuing... remember only the best of the best community maps should get included with quake live

1on1:
cpm1a: not played anymore in competitions?
cpm3a: never really worked in vanilla q3?

CTF:
q3wcp22: too easy to all-def?

TDM:
ospdm5/6: these 2 maps are pretty good i'd say, but do we NEED them?

"Need" is a strong word... :P

I would like to see ospdm5 at least.

OSPDM5/OSPDM6 should be included. They are proven maps that are played in competition. ospdm15rc3 (It's made by Teddy the guy who made ospdm5) should be included too for the same reason as above, it's a good map that works and the more TDM maps there are the better. We NEED TDM maps.

q3wcp22 is pretty good and while it can be defense heavy sometimes it's not really all that bad. And hey, surely we can edit maps slightly so that they work? we could move the railgun to somewhere else? :)

The way I look at it is, what maps do leagues/cups use (rather than this best of the best subjectivity!). You want players to get all the maps used by default.

Give all the maps a lick of paint too!

I think they are choosing the maps so carefully because they want QL download size to be small enough. that's why you cant put maps like ospdm15rc or whatever in it :-/ they werent soo good.

and the risk of a big list is that there might not be enough time to include them all, and some of the really good maps could be dropped in favour of lesser ones that way :)

Rather they drop maps like q3dm0-1-2-3-4 etc :/

They can get rid of a lot of the models, such as bones/orbb etc. I think most people seem to use sarge/visor/bitterman/slash/xaero/mynx for team model and keel/tankjr/sarge for enemy. There are lots of sounds which aren't needed too (ambient ones)

If they retexture all the maps too they can cut down on the amount of textures the game needs.

they already did texture trimming for quake 3's release to allow it to fit on one CD, honestly i don't know how much further they can go without making the maps too bland, they look kinda samey as it stands

1on1:
cpm1a: not played anymore in competitions?
cpm3a: never really worked in vanilla q3?

cpm1a was a good map tbh, been used by ESWC 2004 if you remember.

TDM:
ospdm5/6: these 2 maps are pretty good i'd say, but do we NEED them?

ospdm6 is better balanced map, smth like prodm6. while osp5 is clearly separated and forces teams to position-war.. :P
I would choose OSPDM6

osp5 and osp6 are absolutely needed

I emailed teddy (for OSPDM5) yesterday night after a little google on him, no idea if he got it since the planetquake site I found of him seemed like an old site.

I e-mailed him about fixing ospdm15rc3 (LG/RG spawn is broken in since v1.44 of CPMA) and he got it.

let me know if he responds guys

Well at the moment he's on holiday for a month so that could be too late I guess (and a bit of a disaster :()

I think a more logical goal would be to include a base setup of maps in the exec and use http to autodownload other maps to be played.

I don't see how stripping a few megs of sounds and textures is going to help on download sizes

right, the list has been sent to SyncError!

Duel: ZTN , MONSOON, HUB3AERO3,

any updates on this?

bump

yep