The first jump should be faster, you want to swing your mouse and not really move much then jump, right now you're sorta strafing left across half of the bridge, jumping and then jumping again. You should be jumping closer to the far edge of the bidge (the part above the armour.) Learn how to do circle jumps and then work from there.

hold forward, hold a side key, move mouse in the direction of the side key, then jump, and repeat with the sides alternating.

that is strafing.

wrong:

hold a side key.

that is strafing.

What north americans do you expect to play QL? If you're just going to play a game that has the most people behind it, why not just play CS or halo?

way to nit-pick

A large chunk of the NA UT3 community seems to be gearing up for Quake Live.

It's not that I just want to play the most popular game. I just want to play a good game where I can find people to play with on a regular basis. Here's what my UT3 browser looked like the other day:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/nthexwn/Depressing.jpg

If Quake dies too then I guess I'll go back to CS, but I'd rather learn ballet than play Halo... ;)

i'd rather learn ballet than play cs.

At least that many people have realised that the games not worth playing. Hopefully you too will see that :D

Dude play Quake4, #truecarnage on Quakenet ,I have had several ut3 players go to this game and love it. Quake live is going to be Quake 3... with small changes, please don't assume that people are going to go flocking to that game when it comes out. It will be mostly noobs because people will get their co workers at work to play because its a free game.

Now.. if you have been paying attention to the news lately the AGP tour will kick off in 2009 the games are Warsow, Q3, Q4, and UT3.

So it makes sense to focus on those games if your a competitive gamer and not put your hopes and dreams into a free game.

dude, seriously. stop posting your opinion as a fact.

.... and which opinionated part was posted as a fact? :>

..."It will be mostly noobs because people will get their co workers at work to play because its a free game. " That part?? Prove me wrong =/

Quake live is going to be Quake 3... with small changes, please don't assume that people are going to go flocking to that game when it comes out. It will be mostly noobs because people will get their co workers at work to play because its a free game.

AGP will use QuakeLive if it's out in time, too.

Dont assume.. and why...would you think this...??

I could go into more detail but i'm gonna honor the NDA =/

I have had several ut3 players go to this game and love it.

Examples? I've seen maybe 3-4 new regulars in IRC the past month, and they all seem to be totally new to DM.

pigpen and his and tilters friends

Huh? Who's pigpen? Who are Tilter's friends?

They are players that came from UT3 that play Quake 4 lol....

... and I suppose you thought you knew everybody?

I check IRC daily, and aside from worstplayer and the Q3CTF guys (at least lately), I never see these people.

Ya, and you are also assuming everybody uses mirc.. and everybody is in the pick ups is the whole community =/.

Advent, I know your trying REALLY REALLY hard. Just let it go.. its gonna be ok buddy.

I'm trying hard to what? I'm just saying these so-called "bunch of people from UT3" you speak of is either totally exaggerated or nonexistent altogether.

everybody is in the pick ups is the whole community

This is pretty much the case. Unless you wanna sit in a duel server playing with yourself all day in the hopes that someone will actually want to duel with you.

You have to use IRC for the pickups, and Q41v1 is clearly dead unless you want to be delusional about it (IK/pv/whatever fucking alias he uses now, iono, is the only regular dueler who doesn't play CTF). So unless they're playing Q4Base with the newbs at 4:20's or you guys are actually starting to duel more often (which, afaik, is not the case), they're not actually playing, are they?

(Well, there's IFT too, but I say that doesn't count 'cause instagib is totally different from the rest of the game. It shouldn't even be in Quake.)

With that said, let's be realistic here: Quake is dead. If Quake Live doesn't perform a flat-out miracle, Quake is going to stay dead.

Actually, I know Tilter, and his friends, they were all UT3 players, and they even competed in True Carnage, they are occasionally on IRC, usually under different aliases.

You constantly go back and forth with this topic. You posted this HUGE post saying " Now that the WSVG is no more Quake 4 is dead" (or something similar to that). Then you came back and defended it for a while because you were playing it again. Now that you have been kicked of several teams and just about everybody in the community thinks you annoying; and for the most part dislikes you. You post this big rant in here saying Quakes dead and shit. Go play something for the masses like counter strike or WOW for all I care. You think its dead, fuck off. Don't try to act like you know everything, or get mad because most people think you are the whiniest piece of shit this game has ever seen. (Which is apparent in this post)

Kindly fuck off, posting shit in ESR like you half way know what you are talking about.

If you got a problem with feel free to PM me where, ill gladly reinstate the previous message.

gotta plus the truth ; )

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He's in mourning over his dead game/community. This is the denial phase.

http://truecarnage.com/players.php

Thats the list of players that have joined the TC draft tournament since it opened yesterday..

Not dead to me =/

I don't understand this common reaction.

"It will be mostly noobs because people will get their co workers at work to play because its a free game."

Two Facts:
1.) At some point EVERYONE starts out as a newb. I don't care if you started gaming 20 years ago, you still started out as a newb.
2.) Our community is incredibly small in comparison to most games.

Considering these facts, why would ANYONE be opposed to a huge influx of tens of thousands of newbs into the community. Especially in a game that utilizes matchmaking and you will mostly be playing players within your skill level. Doesn't everyone want tons of activity and new potential talent? I've yet to understand why people throw this line around as a negative.

Personally I'd rather see 100,000 players online everyday, and dozens or hundreds of new potential professional level players making our tournaments scenes exciting and something that justifies holding them.

Considering these facts, why would ANYONE be opposed to a huge influx of tens of thousands of newbs into the community.

"Tens of thousands?" Are you serious? Do you really expect these kinds of numbers? Man, you guys are in for quite a fall...

No, I'm not quoting anything like desired or expected figures, I'm just stating the fact that why would you be opposed to new players? Whether it be 100, 1000 or 10,000? The larger the size of the community, the more player talent we have, the more community events, the more mappers and modders that could come about. Q2 was highly successful in its day and this was in large part to the size and activity of its community.

All I'm saying is, bring 'em on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_Hoz5r0Th8

Don't forget to crouch towards the end and aim to land as close as you can to the little bit that sticks out.

crouching helps? :o

No, crouching makes your head move down. Not your feet up (it's not CS)

hence the ":o" i would be quite surprised

what? crouching doesn't help.

Dunno, can't explain it, seems to afford me some leway when I cut it really fine.

Might well be placebo though.

It is. =) Crouching does not help.

http://defrag.own-age.com/maps/j/jump.pk3
http://q3a.gamersmafia.com/descargas/show/1061

Bigger archive: http://q3a.ath.cx/

ok looks like you need a few pointers.

first thing you need to understand is that the first part of running in a circular path (the 90 degree turn as many people call it) is important because it increases your ground speed beyond the 320ups limit. you can get up to 410ups in ideal situations, but if you watch your demo in slow motion you are rarely getting above 340ups. you need to rotate your view at 294+ degrees per second to do this, your demo shows you are rotating too slowly.

when you take off, you want your viewangle to be at about 16 degrees to the right of the direction you want to travel in. as you travel through the air bring the viewangle smoothly over to the left side. by the time you land on the edge of the bridge your view angle should be about 20 degrees to the left.

now for the second jump, you want to arrange it so you are jumping just off the edge of the bridge (this bit comes from practising this particular jump). after your second jump keep your view angle to the left, then make an airchange to the right. note that an airchange should be instant (not smoothly or slowly). you should instantly swich to the right, at about 10 degrees, again increasing slowly until you land (hopefully) on the other side.

you can do it without the little ledge sticking out, but obviously it helps. note that this jump is traditionally easy under the old 125fps physics (read: less gravity), but it is a difficult jump under cpma's fixed physics, so dont worry if you cant do it.

if i were you i'd get on a training map like cos1_beta7b and visit the circle jump training section and try and practice on some of the easier ones (note that map isnt designed for fixed physics so the more difficult ones aren't possible in cpma vq3).

here's a couple of demos, one shows what 294 deg/sec looks like for your turn, and the other is the full jump - watch it with timescale 0.1 again and again until you can see what i've just written.

in my demo you can see i get about 400 ground speed, 510 after landing the first jump, and about 625 after landing the second jump.
dont trust videos like Jamerio posted above - that youtube vid was made in defrag with broken physics (floaty) where you have to use (and can get away with) a bad technique to avoid over-jumping the bridge.

Lazy people click here
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Youtube it, 625 in second jump is a pretty good number. Worth showing it to the local community noobs that wont try the demo.

good job i'm in a good mood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56jg5Sxqnqs

thanks

what is viewangle?

the angle at which you are looking

Nice replies, I am quite new to Q3 and I've been trying for a while now to master that jump and I've failed by all means.
I'll check out those youtube videos.

Although defrag is "easier" than vq3, it does help get your technique right. The first time I did a b2r in q3 was using defrag (while making note of the keypress buttons). Two defrag options that may help you (from memoy; double-check)

df_accel_draw 1
df_accel_mode 2

These show a bubble on the same horizontal axis as the crosshair, which indicates the direction of maximum acceleration. You still have to press the correct strafe keys, but this will help you get your mouse direction/movement right.

Here's a very good article (the OPC forums have a bunch of defrag goodness/geekery)

http://overdrivepc.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7012

yeah meeting lots of UT people in quake zero, this is the last chance of the proper fps revival (cs1.6 is camper strike), dont let it slip out of hand :)

fast paced fps will revive when lcd monitors will be less shitty, mandatory

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge3dZaxBp_4

h4x

cpm movement? (:

r0d?

com_maxfps 133 if you are not playing on a server and in vq3

142 kthxbye

maybe go to the jumppad on cpm3a that leads to MH/RL and do some testing with your turning speed for circles. you'll quickly notice that there's sweet spots and how much of a difference proper execution makes really.

says someone with shite movement :d

this is CPM gameplay tho :<

change to higher sensitivity

Comon people lol

Let he play some Defrag ! 5 month of running and making RJ will tech you 85% of the perfect movement. Cpma have smaller jump height (bu ONE unit) but if you can make jumps in Defrag and score good times that you will do any of DM6 jumps.

Well...

I downloaded tr1ckhouse_beta3, raised my sensitivity (was using 45cm/360), and watched "Genesis - The Beginning Of". I also checked out another guide I found by injx which helped to explain the concepts further:

http://www.funender.com/quake/info/strafing_theory.htm (might not load since the host is acting weird atm)

So far I've managed to complete the blue section of strafe pads on trickhouse and can now make the bridge2rail jump about 1/3 times while using pmove_fixed (is this considered a cheat, or is it normal to use it?)

Victory Demo:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?fmlazzk1vdk

Thanks a ton guys!

the website's down at the moment, it'll be back in a couple of days. website's back up now

if you did it in cpma, then congrats, because pmove_fixed doesnt exist and setting it wont make any difference.

if you were practicing in defrag (or any other mod) then pmove_fixed will make it easier, but all the defrag maps like tr1ckhouse_beta3 were designed to be used with it on.

best example on how it should be done, here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n5J9W9sPvs

I recommend ayx_beta6, and practive those strafe pads + circle jumping. helped me alot.

good luck.

Play Quake 4.. better graphics.. better game play.. and its fun!

#truecarnage on Quakenet (NA community and pick up channel)

Play CPM.. graphics are fine... gameplay is way better... and it's fun!

#cpmpickup on Quakenet (EU and NA community and pickup channel coz we got awesome netcode)

BETTER GRAPHICS?

check your eyes

Quick question. I'm also very noobish at strafe jumping and injx's advice proved very helpful. I was practicing on w3sp_strafes and are all those jumps supposed to be possible in vq3? What settings should I be using. I've only been able to do the third set of jumps (orange) only once after trying for like 2-3 hours. But the rest of the jumps should be way harder. Then again I know I suck at strafing so it's probably just me. Either way my settings are below which are supposed to be the standard settings for defrag tricking (according to http://www.breakdown-hq.com/). I don't know what any of it means really:

seta timescale "1"
seta g_synchronousClients "1"
seta pmove_fixed "0"
seta pmove_msec "8"
seta sv_fps "125"
seta com_maxfps "125"
seta g_speed "320"
seta g_gravity "800"
seta g_knockback "1000"
seta sv_cheats "0"

Are you practising in cpma or defrag?

defrag

Yes, you have the right settings for offline play and yes, all those lanes are possible in vq3.

"I'd like to start with the bridge2rail jump because a lot of Quakers tell me it's one of the easiest and most practical jumps."

you mean the only jump in q3 :X

stairs to RA in hub?
ledge to health in cpm1a?
ra jump in ztn?

baboosh!

over the dm6 pillars with 2 jumps.

pt4 gap

that curbjump on nodm9/dm13.

ztn the door to upper ya (coming from ra) to rl and shaft ammo :)

tbh I find the ztn jump to RA the easiest one, I mean I learned it almost first time i played q3

ppl consider that a "jump"?

i think we can all agree theres no denying the fact that jumping is involved

where do you get that idea?

he, like me, probalby tried numerous times to ge there doom2 style.

i gave up after about an hour :/

comments jumping around in space time

powpowpow

not this time :)

oh

ice rink mode

i didn't play doom2 really so I didn't get it

oh I see.
Let me help you out kiddo: There is no jump key in doom2.

hmm wasn't then a version with jump? i'm sure the one I downloaded had a jump!

The original Doom games didn't have jumping though. You must've downloaded a source port like Skulltag or something.

Question for all you players, what button do you bind to jump? When doing constant strafing I find it much easier to use the right mouse button instead of spacebar. Whenever I use spacebar, my hand gets all tense after a while and I can't do certain jumps consistently like the Rail jump mentioned above.

MOUSE 2
i used to use shift with my pinky, but god damn about 2 matches and i couldn't move my hand... mouse2 is easier, but will take a good toll on your mouse over time. anything that feels comfortable for you.