Whining about whining makes everything better.

Whining about whining about whining makes everything better than better.

Fuck yeah.

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welcome to WHINEreality ^^

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Lans themselves are the problem. It's so dumb when we have the internet. Sure, lans once made sense... when there was no internet or you were lucky to have under 250 ping.

Lans are more expensive and more difficult for everyone involved. Their only advantages are constantly disappearing and will soon be gone permanently. People have gone so far in the wrong direction, online has become synonymous with practice.

The internet is a God-send for video games. All other games/sports are dying of envy they can never alleviate. Gamers are just so fucking stupid and insecure, they try to be like other sports instead of embracing their own superiorities.

this guy.


this guy

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But they're still fun, right?

We're arranging a local one this month with a Quake 3 tournament as OP demands; I guess 16 people is the goal now.

You don't appear to be a whiny bitch from your prior posts. I guess I didn't make the targets of my comments clear enough, but I've added a note for you :)

Heh, no need to; I didn't mean to come off offended. :)

I hope it goes well...LANs around here don't work out for the most part, with folks getting married and having houses and shit.

in dk?

Aye, in Århus; it will just be one in our dormitory and we probably all suck, so it's hardly any big community saving thing. :) It's still going to be fun though.

ah okay, hf then :)

Thanks. :)

Oh, don't get me wrong, the internet is where a majority of the playing should take place. But, at the same time, those LANs back in the day (basically 1997-2001) were events that were truly worth the time and money, as everything was fun about them. I'd go to a decent LAN over playing at home any day of the week (I know Europe is vastly different, but since we can just throw our shit into a car and go wherever the fuck we want, it's easy to do in the States).

The internet HAS improved for a majority of folks Stateside, but I still don't ping <50 to the entire country, and it has been the same since about 1998, when cable replaced my ISDN. I'm now on ADSL and while it's better for pings than cable was, it still limits where I can play with a <50 ping. The US infrastructure is so shitty compared to Western Europe and Japan/S. Korea, so until consumers have some sort of choice here (we typically don't unless we live in the 10 biggest cities in the country), the internet isn't as great for us as it is (correct me if I'm wrong) over in those countries..

And, really, I'm taking issue with people who are crying bloody fucking murder over Quakecon's tournament, which is LAN-based. If they have such fantastic ideas about what's wrong with Quakecon, make it happen!

Yeah, I gotta agree that LANs are more about the experience of getting together and actually having fun rather than just the constant whine/bitching of online play.

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Furthermore, tournaments are another problem. This isn't boxing where if you fight too often, you die. Look at baseball - they play 160+ games a season. Why? Because they can. So why the fuck do video game players have these bi-yearly tournaments? These fuckers could compete every single night without sustaining any injuries. There is no valid reason behind the tournament structure. It is a stupid system created by business assholes.

Because there's not enough money to do more frequent tournaments (not to mention that doing them online isn't very profitable), and apparently money's the only thing worth playing for.

i guess its like that in all sports. you just cant spend all your time doing something (be it baseball, football or playing quake), when there's no money in it.

I don't understand why u need to go apeshit about people raising their opinion. If you don't like what they're saying, change the thread or ignore them you fucking idiot. I could use the same logic, why don't you create a forum that gathers thousands of people all over the world and blah blah blah?

What makes you think that "professional" players would live on their prize money? Have you ever heard about teams or sponsorships?

Opinions are fine. I respect the right of everyone to have theirs. But, if your opinion is that something that someone else is doing sucks, or isn't to your standards, then not taking any action after voicing your opinion is about as useful as a dick without balls.

Funny that you're attacking my attack of opinions, innit? It's hard to like or dislike something without reading it, don't you think? I'm not sure that you understand that concept though. But I'm the idiot, so what do I know.

Here's the catch with sponsorships (and teams are funded by sponsorships): THEY DON'T HAPPEN WITHOUT MONEY. Where does the money come from? Large audiences to see the sponsorships. Large audiences at large tournaments. Large tournaments with large prizes. The money isn't there from the goodness of peoples' hearts. The whole point with a sponsorship is to expose your products/services to eyeballs, and there just aren't enough eyeballs trained on Quake to be worth supporting a Quake player for an entire year.

I'm sure you knew that already though, because you put TEAMS and SPONSORSHIPS in BOLD!

Why don't you address the people you are unhappy with by saying it to them directly instead of whining about it in general? Why don't you ignore them? Why don't you change the thread? Why don't you fuck off from the forums? Your argument of efficiency against these is pretty bold.

Ok, I'll play!

I couldn't post that many replies (although I've gotten close today!).

Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away.

I don't know what changing the thread means, as I created this thread to start a discussion about why whining is useless without action. If you mean NOT look at the thread, OK, see my point above.

I'm really not sure why I stay around ESR...habit I guess. I'm probably insane since every once in a while I start barking up this tree, and expect a different result.

Why do you think it's a bad move to call people on their bullshit? Why should people who point out the flaws in others not be held to their own standard? Why should a community continue to be unfriendly, unwelcoming, and unappreciative?

Why do you think it's a bad move to call people on their bullshit?

I want to you to tell me how you understood the following->

Why don't you address the people you are unhappy with by saying it to them directly instead of whining about it in general?

It's funny since I think that's exactly what I am currently doing. Would you and and your little helper-monkey focus atleast name few of the culprits and perhaps their posts that got that sand in your vagina, instead of just general undirected crying about it?

And what is the problem? That somebody thinks choosing QL instead of Q3 is lame? You've got some nerve. Just look at your post history, you hypocrite.

lol@helpermonkey...focus seems to get where I'm coming from, but I don't really know the guy and I don't think he's doing anything other than sharing a similar perspective. From what I can tell, he does a lot more than bitch about shit, so he gets eProps for that :)

Click on the Quakecon 2008 Tournament post, and read the comments. There were enough culprits in that thread to warrant a journal post, because replying to each one was already being done by various OTHER posters. I didn't get sand in my vagina, I just got tired of seeing bitchy comments about a fucking free tournament, and suggested that instead of bitching, folks should get off their ass and do things THEIR FUCKING WAY. They can bitch all the want, but really, they're not even being funny, so that takes away the only area where they could contribute anything.

Why did you get all riled up about this? Did I strike a nerve? Do you want me to go through and pick out every person who bitched about the game chosen at a free tournament? I won't do it, but if you want that, I can help you find some threads.

I find it funny that instead of pointing out specific posts (which you clearly had to read, as you went through my previous comments), you just call me a hypocrite for an unspecified reason. You're like Vedic, but with more fragmented argumentation.

Okay, explain how are you contributing to creating better scene with this

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1537136#pid1537136 ?

How is this not a whine?

Or maybe this

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1581281#pid1581281 ?

Following your retarded logic I need to be able to be the president of united states in order to say that I dislike his politics.

Following your logic that isn't whining when you sit on your ass here and whine about how you hate this forum, instead of doing something more constructive. No, it's funny how your "holier-than-thou" bullshit only targets quake3-fanboys.

Oh yes, it's they who are stupid, not you, who have not been able to figure out the general flow and attitude of the forum the whole time you have been here, whining, how you hate it here.

If you're saying that some of the content of this site doesn't belong here, you're saying that admins are wrong, and ultimately, this forum is wrong. If you hate it that much in here, I ask you this again: Why don't you make your own forum?

It was a whine. Where have I ever said OMFG I DON'T EVER WHINE. If you want to comb through everything that everyone's ever done and hold them to a standard that is excessively hard to reach, well, that is EXACTLY WHAT I'M CALLING COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. Not saying lower your standards, but if your standards are so high, do something that holds up to that scrutiny. My standards, however, are pretty low for myself (and the scene), and even in that light, it's hard for the US scene to be reasonably enjoyable. I can put up with (and deal) some serious bullshit, and even with that in mind, I was really turned off as an old but not very good player trying to get back into the game.

I was comparing you to someone who has a record for making unsubstantiated statements, after you made one. Good job, and sure, I'm taking a shot at you, but you were telling someone they had their head up there ass (directly), so taking issue with this is funny, with all of the hypocrisy you're trying to find. If you don't understand that, I can't help you.

If you want to follow my logic all the way up to the presidency of a first world nation, go ahead, but I'm talking about some fucking gamers here. You have a penchant for hyperbole, huh? How else will I fucking post on ESR other than sitting on my ass? On a treadmill? Doing jumping jacks? On my knees? I think your interpretations of what I've said are a bit out of left field, but ok. I don't think I'm holier than anyone, I just think that I actually give a fuck about doing something (I organize LANs every few months around here, and bring in new players when I can locally). I take the same approach (telling people to stop bitching and do something) whenever they're in a situation that's worth doing something about; whether it's a job, significant other, financial or other type of situation. If it comes off as holier than thou, I apologize for offending your delicate sensibilities.

And FWIW, I do have my own (tiny, private) forum. It's not too active, but I have yet to have a flame war erupt. And I am considering doing something more active once QL comes along to encourage fresh players, or help people out with the non-tech support aspects of playing a game we all like. I think that the moderators do a good job of letting people speak their minds, but instead of resulting in a reasonable discussion, things turn into a negative hatefest really, really quickly, and playing referee in that turns from bad to shitfest even faster.

I'm just glad there were so many posts in the Quakecon thread calling people on their bitching.

"Why don't you fuck off from the forums?"
'cause, you know, that's what esreality is for. Complaining and doing nothing....

loser.

why do you care?

I like Quake, and I'd like the community to grow and stop being so emo and self-destructive. The negativity and whining about every little fucking thing, even things with no real downside, achieves the goal of "driving people away from the community" and that's about it.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1580312#pid1580312

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1580316#pid1580316

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1580321#pid1580321

Damn you're good.

I wake up each morning and piss awesome.

poor usa, our biggest Czech-Slovak(30x smaller country) lan (5-7.9) got already 72 ppl for q3tdm in 15 teams + 13 qw players... and beer cost 0.5 eur CHACHA! :D

list of players but for u in wierd language :X http://www.q3party.wz.cz/players.html

Sounds like my kind of place :)

Also, every person from Czech I've met has been totally awesome, and the pictures of that country are quite nice. I'd love to visit some day.

well im from slovakia, anyway... surprise for me as we get so many ppl here - capacity is full(100) and there is still demands to join this lan :X, u should visit sometime and be terminated first day under the table on pub terracce :))

I replied but it got eaten. Basically, I'd get demolished by anyone from a beer loving nation. America apparently hates beer, since people willingly drink Bud Lite, Miller Lite, and Coors Lite...BY CHOICE.

Bud is bad enough. I can't imagine how bad the lite version is.

Well, Bud Lite isn't offensive, but to call it beer would be like calling McDonald's a gourmet bistro. It has a flavor, it contains some alcohol, and it's cheap.

coming from the person who eats rotten shark fs

yo whats that drink witht he stick/branch of some plant in it ?

guess you haven't met anyone from TA yet :P

Pro-gaming should get the most out of its players. The internet is the only way to get the most. In pro-gaming, lans should only be used occasionally to create an even-ping playing-field between regions. In another ten years, lans will likely be completely obsolete.

If you're talking about fun-lans, then yeah whining has no place.

In 10 years, the US will still have the same infrastructure it has today, and we'll still ping 100-120 cross-coast, while most of Europe and Asia will be in much better shape.

Unless something's done about it, but I've found that Americans prize stealing content way more than enjoying low pings. Bandwidth > ping for most people, therefore the market caters to them. Sucks ass.

The whining is more about the Quakecon tournament...rather than enjoying what's available, people bitch about what's available, and they haven't done shit to try to run a tournament/LAN to their standards. Not that I disagree with them, but it's presented as such negative shit that nothing good will come of it. Ever.

There are huge lans all the time in SA, and we got a shit poor tournament scene, so I think you build a fake connection.

You got it wrong:

ESReality, where camping meets reality

;D

I think we need some sort of steam like client, where all the servers are united in one place instead of some people using ase, others qtracker, xfire or gamespy arcade to find them. I know they all ought to find all available servers, but the reality is that they don't.

The diminishing amount of servers is also responsible for the fading scene, when they took of the boomtown servers here, we lost our most popular and used place to play quake. I miss the good times on the CA servers with all the swedes :(

More on topic, i don't think lan is the way to revive the scene, but instead we need things like a new esreality online tourney again..

A working site would help...

"I think we need some sort of steam like client, where all the servers are united in one place instead of some people using ase, others qtracker, xfire or gamespy arcade to find them. I know they all ought to find all available servers, but the reality is that they don't."

Coincidentally, that's one of QuakeLive's main goals....

go figure.. :)

It seems to me that all the people who whine on this website anymore have one of the following issues.

A.) They're still living in a dreamworld in their parent's basement where they think that if they can go toe to toe with some of the pros sometimes then they have a shot of being some well off professional player of video games. And by video games they of course mean Quake 3 because of course the only video game out there IS Quake 3.

B.) They're simply too bored with the game and therefore come here to complain how not enough people are playing and how sponsors aren't throwing money at an almost 10 year old game so they can keep an handful of hardcore fans happy as opposed to pleasing the rest of the world. Playing the game is too much of a chore for them and because they're too closed minded to play anything else they don't bother because they're too good to have their time wasted playing something that doesn't let them use their Q3 skills to their fullest potential.

C.) They're name is Walter and they're too busy fucking with everyone's head to really even give a shit about playing with a bunch of delusional retards over a game that the rest of the world has almost completely forgotten about.

I'm all about enjoying me some Q3, but you can't expect game developers to make something that only a very very very small hardcore group of fans really know anything about. That's half the reason why CPMA was created in the first place (durrr....). Then you have to look at the fact that even if some game dev did go and create a game like Q3 or UT then most of the people wouldn't play it because 1. It's too hard for them to pick up and learn quickly 2. All you retards would hit the servers and own them mercilessly, subsequently killing off any real growth rate you would want and 3. That's not really what most people out there are up for playing. They don't want to go pro, they want to have fun and escape from their daily lives.

Either way people on this site need to do one of two things. Either quit your bitching over something extremely trivial and have fun making your niche community more fun and active or you go find something else that's competitive and roll with it and don't bitch about how it's not Q3. Either way, get a clue and stop whining.

/whine

Just curious, which of the presented categories you fall in?

I don't fall into any of them because I no longer sit on this website all day whining about how Q3 isn't TEH SHIT to every single gamer on earth. I used to fall into the first category until I successfully removed my head from my ass. I then woke up and realized that "hey, most people in the world don't care and even if I did make it to that level, the cash would not be worth all the effort I've put in to get that far." I still play casually here and there when I have time, but I have a real job making ok money and enjoying my Wii and soon I'll have a 360. I've simply got a clue and moved on and grown up.

Funny because that's exactly how (someone with his head up his ass) you came across to me.

Wow, you really are more clueless than Vedic. I'm utterly astonished.

And how exactly do I come across as such?

bingo

Finally someone with half a brain.

As a sponsor for small tournaments out of my own pocket, admin of 2 Quake 4 servers (pay rent, handle server.cfg's, etc), and a willing help to any new players with questions they have about setting up their game (and sending quakelive beta invites to ppl i know will actually use them), I really understand where you're coming from with putting up with all these whiny babies on this site.

Hey, look, someone who gives a fuck! You must like abuse :)

I don't know who runs the Quake 3 servers, but I don't think they ever encounter actual Quake 3 players. If they did, they'd shut that shit down in a heartbeat, as to prevent the spread of oral diarrhea.

give me a location and i will try to host one!

Well, first you have to whine that Quakecon is running a tournament that doesn't suit your tastes. Then, you have to list your expectations (no matter how unrealistic). Then you have the ingredients needed to meet my challenge.

omg quakecon isnt that like all blue n stuff i mean that color is sooo 2002, it should be green and we can have over 100k prizes and even if you are 5th you get like 50k and we should have over the 500 players

i hope this stasis yellped himself and his stupid bitch ass =]

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