"Even if we are not aware of all the press freedom violations in North Korea and Turkmenistan, which are second and third from last, Eritrea deserves to be at the bottom. "

Old news. Bush is a fascist coward. He has been dealt with. Although, i'm sure most of America will gladly hand him over to an international tribunal for the execution most of the world desires. I personally never support executions, but that never stopped them before.

The United States is a young country. It is unfair to compare it with millenia old civilizations.

free "relative to age of country" uh

LOL AT SIZE OF PIC.
Gogo esr. It's like 800x600 =/

fuck yeah iceland

No fuck you my friend!

what :(

fuck YEEEAAAHHHH iceland

hater!

Not surprising at all

Living in a country where every single word you type on the Internet gets read by the government isn't exactly dandy either tbh.

at least your government admits it...

How exactly do they find what they find interesting? Is it some sort of mIRC'ish highlighting, so that when I type

Terrorist Al-Qaeda Stockholm bombing Reinfeldt assassination,

and you read it when you check your replies, you'll get all arrested and stuff?

Funny thing is, there are no terrorist threats towards Sweden what so ever.

What is very likely is that some big corporations influenced the government to pass a law like this in order to stop filesharers.

Also this kind of monitoring has been going on illegally forever in Sweden, it's just that it can be used so much more freely now that it's legal.

Funny thing is, there are no terrorist threats towards Sweden what so ever.

not public ones maybe

sorry but if you worry about terrorists you have to worry a million times about world hunger and pollution first
terrorism = trend word

mate, come on.

things that does not affect YOU as a person will not have the same focus in YOUR life because it's not of importance to YOU. meaning, since i dont fight to stay alive, i take it for granted and dont think about it.

a terrorist bombing on the other hand is more real since it has happened in the western world before and recently..

now, i dont think sweden is in any danger what so ever and i think the new "law" in sweden sucks ballz but i still think its a force to be reckon with.

my first comment was basicly me loling at that guy for thinking he knew everything that goes on, i doubt that if we get any threats it gets leaked out.

You're more likely to get rappad in a planecrash than get rappad in a terrorist strike.

and for that reason i shouldnt worry about it?

your logic fails.

if you worry about both those risks i think you wont get to see many places :)

.....not everything is black and white....

i just think you should try seeing things rationally. it is much more likely to have car accidents, probably even to win the lottery or get hit by lightning, than to be a victim of terrorism
governments use the word "terrorism" as a reason or excuse to introduce laws like cell phone and internet surveillance and other crazy, mostly unconstitutional, stuff, that bypass and ultimately restrict our rights and our freedom. i think we should care much more about these laws than winning the lottery, getting hit by lightning, or a car bomb from someone probably utterly desperate about the situation in his country that he was moved to such deeds which was likely in some way caused by the (our) western world in the first place

so because its more likely that i will die in a car crash i shouldnt care about anything else? the gouverment should focus 100% on the #1 cause of death and not care about the others? i hope that you see the sillyness of your statement now.


and i agree that the law that just passed in sweden is a load of bullshit but the original comment i made (and most people seem to misunderstand me here) is that HE does not know what threats there is torwards sweden. i bet no one in the "public" knows what threats we have. THAT was my point.

What about protesting? I saw a little of it, when the law was passed, but are you still doing so? People would probably get thoroughly pissed, if it happened here. :)

There has been a lot of protests. Not only on the streets but also in the media (all the newspapers started some campaign for free speech). Also, there were members of the parliament who votes YES even though they actually wanted to vote NO, but were afraid that they would get the cold hand by the other members of their respective parties. Yes, it's pretty chicken of them, but who would think you would find an ounce of courage in the right-wing parties, anyway?

it's too cold up there. not even suicide bombers want to got there.

That was shocking. I don't think anybody would've though Sweden, of all countries, would be the ones following the steps of countries like China or the USA.

I hope it doesn't spread to the rest of the EU.

It sort of automatically did, as a lot of network routes (at least here) goes through Sweden. A Danish minister suggested something similar here, but thankfully it didn't go as far.

I would however still like to know, how they implement stuff like that.

Yes, I think part of the traffic from here also goes through Telia :/

People are pissed for sure.
I think it's a little blown out of proportion, this won't affect people downloading the latest prison break episode or w/e like most seem to think. I guess it's kind of scary but there's no kallocain-scenario going on =D. maybe we're getting there.

tried to reply to predr but it it got stuck in the tubes of esreality. OR MAYBE IT WAS FRA CENSORING MY SHIT!?!?!?

... and for some reason I had 8 replies in the Sarkozy thread although I didn't even respond to it myself. :)

Anyway, I suppose it is going to be interesting, what trials we (you) will see in the future, but I certainly understand the negative attitude in the principal discussion; there's good reason to be aware, every time a freedom constraining law gets passed. People I know here were clearly angry about it, and we're only indirectly affected by it.

Haha, I was just thinking that.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7479758.stm

land of tolerance and equality!

lol

"What? The land of the free?
Whoever told you that is your enemy?"
-Rage Against The Machine


true words tbh.

Song "Know your enemy"

<3 Rage Against The Machine :D

I'm seeing Rage Against The Machine at Leeds festival in like a month :D :D :D :D: D :D :D D: D:

saw them at hultsfred this summer. Easily the best I've seen, probably ever. Especially with Serj Tankian playing hours before Ratm.
That much energy at one stage is absolutely awesome! Zach + Tom is <3

What press does Iceland even have? Maybe two fishermen's magazines or something.

Imo paparazzis deserve to be punched in the face.

What press does Finland have? The Sauna daily and the Suicide report?

we would have but we dont.... postmen are too afraid of these ice bears terrorizing our streets. but we have built some tunnels between our neighbours so we can go to sauna together.....

Well stop acting like a bunch of sissies and just take them out. It's what we do over here.

u havent seen finnish ice bears, they breath fire and spears. and fiery spears.

fucking finns and their superior bear knowledge

those are brown bears, not ice bears :/

More freedom in usa than here. Real freedom means you can say fuck you islam and not get sued by some human rights commission (lmao @ canada) or get otherwise fucked up other courts (lmao @ finland).

My bad, I figured the important freedoms were things like the right to a fair trial regardless of the charges levied against you and being able to talk to your loved ones on the phone without CIA guys listening and waiting for a reason to ship you off to Guantanamo bay.

Encryption. And at least in usa you can sue the government with some success and generally unconstitutional laws are struck down. In USA there's still more freedom to the average person than in most countries.

You may think every country is 'free' as long as you can work 9 to 5 and watch tv and not get thrown into jail iraq or north korea or china style. There's much more to freedom than that.

There's much more to freedom than that.

true, and in the US you will find it.

only on paper :)

At least in usa you can safely engage in holocaust denial. As despicable an act as that may be it still should be allowed. You can also talk about religions, including islam, freely. Usa > Europe in that regard also.

Someone's never heard of William Reich.

You can do that here.

on paper and maybe officials too, yeah.
But if you think that you can say everything everwhere in the US you might wanna reconsider.

please get it in your thick american head that "europe" is not a country

Hold on to your horses pal, I'm Finnish thank you very much.

liar

Nej jag är inte.

Why would saying something in Swedish prove you were Finnish idiot?

Maybe swedish is the second official language of Finland, idiot?

degrading islam/muslims = freedom
is the new standard in the west

Yes it's a new standard when people are silenced and fined for criticizing islam for being what it is and are killed for it. True terrorism is exactly that. People are so terrified to stand up and speak out.

Islam is not being singled out. It's an addition to the group of retards along with other religions and ideas.

As 'retarded' as they may be they have every right to be pissed and angry people don't always make the best decisions. It's like when the bull kills the matador and people rage @ the bull, shouldn't of pissed it off in the first place :/

Sure thing. We should be thankful for them to bomb and rape and pillage us, curb our freedoms because we had it coming. Sorry for all the trouble.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3292032.ece

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article2980432.ece

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/7204635.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7012698.stm

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Bomb, Rape and Pillage... Iraq.. Palestine.. Afghanistan.. Not to mention supporting dictatorships like Pakistan, draconian forms of government such as the Taliban and militarizing oppressive theocratic/monarchical governments like Saudi Arabia? Western powers have long and "glorious" histories of going to bombing, raping and pillaging the Middle East. It's about time Europeans got a taste of their own hypocritical medicine.

Has nothing to do with being able to criticize the true face of islam. The virgin cult, the honour killings, oppression of women, crazy punishments like stoning, sharia generally, imposing their restrictions on others or not adhering to the same rules because they're incompatible with their religion.. This doesn't only happen in a fringe cult of suicide bombers in some crazy town somewhere in iraq mind you. I have nothing against people on an individual level but islam, which version it may be, is fucked up.

If the bombings, raping and pillaging has nothing to do with then why bring it up? Instead of going all the way to the Middle East, why not fix European problems? Oh that's right because Europe is separated into EU and Non-EU countries to make it self seem like a better and more 'civilized' place to live. Europe has attempted to disconnect from its worst areas instead of facing the issues/goals/challenges of these areas (Balkans?). Even though I agree with your criticism of Islam here (the virgin cult, oppression of women, etc...) I find it rather distasteful that these problems are usually presented as problems that exist because of Islam rather than problems IN Islam. I think this is the thing that irks Muslims the most; they are all being categorized as oppressive, women hating, power hungry Jew killers. IF they do say something they're cast as defenders of a dirty stream of though and so they must too be humiliated to prove that Europeans have 'freedom of thought + speech' and there is no other way.

By its very definition it would impossible to have any legislation at all and have true freedom.

true freedom = you can do what you want as long as you don't infringe on other people's rights/freedom

that's not true freedom. It's the best form of freedom, yes, but true freedom is the ability to do everything even if it infringes with other people's rights.

And that where things become interesting. Where does one draw the line?

One would have to be silly to suggest that hurting others is ok.

I'm not saying that it's ok, just that it is freedom!

but where does hurting others begin?
Of course it includes direct physical violence. But does the attempt also count?

And what about hurting through words?
Is it ok to tell others to hurt someone by order or just by giving them the idea or maybe just try incend a revolution in which course people get hurt.
Is it ok to make someone cry or even make them so desperate they kill themselves?

I really think that there is no clear line, which is why freedom of speech is handled so differently in different countries.

e.g. america has their political correctness, which condemns the open use of words which are allowed "even" here in Germany.

"The only freedom which deserves the name is that of pursuing our own good in our own way, so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs, or impede their efforts to obtain it. Each is the proper guardian of his own health, whether bodily, or mental or spiritual. Mankind are greater gainers by suffering each other to live as seems good to themselves, than by compelling each to live as seems good to the rest."
John Stuart Mill

it's a good quote, but again leaves much open for discussion.
For example: If someone speaks in front of a crowd doesn't he try to influence their opinion and thereby their freedom?

Or being detained for 42 days without repreive?

muslims are some whiney mother fuckers when you draw cartoons about their religion. I wouldn't mind muslim and all religious extremist being brutally decapitated.

children of american propaganda shouldn't talk so much

first time you say something reasonable.


That shit that most people see on t.v about islam is NOT islam at all. I just recently converted to islam and learning lots about it.

For example that headgear that woman wear is NOT religious its cultural but it has no religious ties because its not stated in the Quran.

o rly

idd

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/11/america/hate.php

I think I have a solution - Free speech for everybody except for muslims, who should shut the fuck up.

Is that your final solution?

I would be more than happy to provide them with an actual work in factories as long as they stayed away from pure non-muslim children.

Yes, some U.S. politicians are assholes, and too many U.S. citizens are idiots. Tell me though, what is the purpose of the European Union? What was the purpose of the Soviet Union?

The States united on principle. Every state wanted the same thing and agreed to the same constitution. When nations unite simply to compete, the union has little chance of success.

Not to worry... when the U.S. has fewer idiots and better politicians, it will be pure sextacy.

im not sure if this is the answer to your question but the union is partly to make travelling easier and export/inport benefits.

Its scary how a lot of politicians fall victim to lobbies of big companies. It would be a motivation for me to enter politics and give them the finger when it comes to our lawmaking regarding privacy.

If I was European, I would be concerned about the EU. Ireland seems to be the only one with their heads on straight.

Anyway, the free press index thing is relative. Just because one nation is less un-free doesn't mean any of them are truly free. Don't let politicians deceive you with their sliding-scale fallacies. It is merely a method of moving things in their direction.

The uestion being how. Ireland was the one to vote no because they were one of the only countries who even were able to vote about it!

The new dictating elite just dismisses public opinion as unneeded because the public already agreed to the first treaty. It's like this - you're now in EU, so we don't have to listen to you anymore and we can make and pass any shit we want without even noticing you.

Everybody who is slighty sceptical about anything in EU is automatically declared a racist and or a backwards hick in here.
If you would ask any taxpayer 90% wouldn't even know what they're funding, but are too afraid to say it aloud.

But you sir, are racist and islamophobic and a backwards hick.
But don't get me wrong, it's not because you spoke out against the EU. You've already proven this a couple of posts up, with your quite nice choice of words like 'pure' which brings me to think about something that happened in Germany during the 40's.

Ring a bell? Only a retard would be able to think like you.

Yes, that was the 'joke'. You probably didn't bother to read ignignokt's post where he set it up, mr. history major (look up 'final solution', would you?). To be sure, mr. brainiac, I also don't think Iceland only has two magazines, that's called 'sarcasm'.

Your probably didn't catch my post about how I would be proud if my daughter married Barack Obama, something a racist would surely wish.

Islamophobic I am, yeah. It is a good word btw, because I am honestly scared about Islamists, as they are unable to rationalize and reason, unlike christians, jews etc. When you're done with me mind spreading your P.C. message to other backwards hicks who don't think chopping babies genitals, bombing people who don't think alike, treating women with violence is okay. Start with these - Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Daniel C. Dennett, Sam Harris.

Oh just die cold and lonely in a fucking corner if you think every follower of Islam support the examples you just listed.

I don't. I just think that every country where Islam gets to rule is a fascist dictature without proper human rights and generally a total shithole.

I see their argumentation style has influenced you too - some people are happy and free, therefore they need to be insulted and killed.

Jeez there be plenty backwards Christians n Jews - lest we generalise the religion n views of 1billion odd people.

Orthodox Christianity n Judaism are just as immoral as Islam to the conventional Atheist - let 'em catch up. In the mean time, let us embrace the liberal ideology of tolerance 'n love.

"Islamists, as they are unable to rationalize and reason, unlike christians, jews etc. "


Do you mean Islamists, as in a very small fraction?

Or do you mean Muslims? Cause in that case you should l2history.

Not a fan of either.

You elect MEPs.

Well yeah but you know the people who end up there? Former athletes, washed up actors, musicians, random retards who don't even have degrees or knowledge about anything. I don't understand what kind of shithead idiots vote for these celebrities but that's the way it goes in the beloved 'democracy'.

Imo in theory, EU could bring us good things, like united defense, but only in theory. Most things governments touch turn to shit.

Speak wi WInston :O)))

Do you know the country called "Switzerland"? :P

care

I'd prefer stability over freedom ...
I just wanna live and have the basic things :-(
everyone thinks our lives in this system are the best because they only want to see the good things, yet there is also a lot of darkness.
And actually this darkness is growing ... a lot, lately.
bethanks to globalisation everything is going downhill ...
it is not anymore about governments, it is only about enterprises ...
because the enterprises have the money and they do not think national, humans are just ressources, the cheaper they are, the more efficient they can produce, and it is clear people in europe who need high living standards can't be as cheap in underdeveloped countrys ... so these enterprises invest there, and in the long run europe/usa will go downhill ... the great athen has gone downhill, rome has gone downhill, and it is only a matter of time until usa/old europe will go downhill ... because now it is not anymore the country that is powerful, it's the enterprises, and they do not care for "their" country ...

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