two more interviews with carmack and stratton

interview @ ign
interview @ gamespy

He sounds like a dumbass in that snippet.

Great interview, that "snippet" really beeing the worst part of it ;)

rather important part

he talks like "matchmaking, teams, different things that you can set up there, an incredible amount of stats that are tracked on things. It's got leaderboards" would already be in the beta...
but so far, im kinda disappointed on all of this aspects :(

they probably already got a lot more on their test systems at id than we have in the beta system.

From the gamespy one:

"we've incorporated a lot of the small changes that the hardcore pro players like -- minor things like weapon tuning and air control and anti-lag, different things like that"

Sry?

There is another thread about this.

thx for the link ;)

Laziness ... :)

Just remember that even in a closed beta, id gives you what they want you see (test). They probably have a lot of options, maps, features, that have not been released to closed beta players. They probably have an internal build that has more features than the closed beta. In the closed beta they are mainly testing for functionality, and to make sure things work. So, they give you what they want you to see. Just keep that in mind.

I remember when the lg was garbage and the internal build already had it fixed before they released it to the public.

The most important part...

John Carmack: "But it's worth remembering that Quake Arena is not going away. It's still there, and I can very much see millions of people making Quake Live as their entry into that, and then the mod community will probably have a huge boost from all of this. The people that want to do something different that's not [supported] in Quake Live, well they've still got Quake Arena. It's open sourced and they can do anything want in there, and build whatever new mods they want, and I would expect this to have a positive effect on that entire community on a lot of different levels."



..................... I think that top-skill players will stick with Quake 3 Arena (as it should be), but that Quake Live should be seen as an entry-level for more casual players of deathmatch, which is just fine, and it will make the Quake brand more recognizable. They can just play QL in whatever casual gameplay mode that QL offers, but if they really want to step up to the plate and prove themselves (and not with stupid silly game statistics/rankings that don't mean anything) then eventually they have to "upgrade" to Q3A.

We should not feel the need to push things into QL, since we already have Q3 which we should keep using for top-level play, and we should see QL as a different thing.

so, looks like ql will be plain baseq3 for the noobies playing only the stock maps... i was expecting this but still hoping that the oldschools would get all that there is in q3 at this time, and packedged nicely so that everyone can start playing without 2124312312 downloads to set everything up

no and yes, some things are in, some are not, but it is in no case baseq3.

I've been waiting months for somebody else to say this, but:

Look at QL as the "shareware" version of Q3 (a return to id's roots in some ways). You try QL for free, and if you like it you go and buy the Real Thing, which is much bigger and "adds support" for things like TDM (CPM+OSP maps) and CTF (3W maps) and so on.

QL is still a zillion times better than baseq3. I REALLY hope it works out for id, because if it does it'll benefit "us" in the long run too.

not to mention (hopefully) guide some of those players to the next Quake on id tech 5.

I agree, this is one of the few viable ideas I have seen that is able to drive new players into an old scene. For someone such as myself that is not a top notch player this is a real chance to have some good competition with players more my skill level.

I would go so far as to carry the shareware theme out a bit more and say some weapons and maps are only available in the fully leaded version.

Its a fine line to draw between giving enough to constantly bring in new players, yet not so much that they don't have a reason to strive for more.

-wg

So when will it be released?

I don't know that much about the GPL, but wouldn't they have to release the source code since it's based on Q3?

I don't know if the copyright holder is subject to the same rules as the licensees.

they aren't. look at it like this:

Q3 (id)

  |\

  | \

  |  \--- Q3 (GPL) --- CNQ3 (GPL) --- xyz (GPL)

  |

QL (id)

the trunk remains "pure" id, it's just the branch that's GPL. anything on the GPL branch is ALWAYS GPL, anything on the id trunk is ALWAYS id.

But isn't it the code itself that is licensed? Even if it's a different "branch", shouldn't the same rules apply?

I checked on the GPL website and the copyright holder is indeed not required to follow the GPL on their own creations, but held morally responsible within the community for such actions.

one last attempt to explain: "the code" IS the branch. the GPL part starts at "\-", NOT at "Q3 (id)".

that comment in the gnu docs was apparently written by somebody who fails at english.

if id take MY code from cnq3 and put it in ql, then ql has to be gpl'd (unless *i* choose to let them off the hook). it doesn't matter that it was originally their work - THAT bit of it is mine and produced under the gpl, and if they want it they have to satisfy either the author (me) or the license under which i shipped it (gpl).

if everything they do with ql is their OWN work, there's a continuous, UNBROKEN chain of ownership that just goes "id -> id -> id". you can't retroactively try to make claim to it. (if you could, Valve's Source engine etc would have to be gpl'd too).

one last attempt to explain: "the code" IS the branch. the GPL part starts at "\-", NOT at "Q3 (id)".

Semantics, though - they're the same thing.

if everything they do with ql is their OWN work, there's a continuous, UNBROKEN chain of ownership that just goes "id -> id -> id". you can't retroactively try to make claim to it. (if you could, Valve's Source engine etc would have to be gpl'd too).

I realize, as I pointed out that the GPL FAQ said that the owner of the license cannot be governed by the license. I'm just saying that this doesn't seem to be in the spirit of what the GPL was intended for.

> Semantics, though - they're the same thing.

no, they're not. you failing to understand that is why your comments are so hopelessly wrong.

So every line of code in the GPL Q3 is rewritten from the original base id Q3 code? Come on...

It doesn't matter if they only add 1 comment and release as GPL. It's a branch.

Vedic, no, it's not rewritten. Q3 code is their intellectual property, they can choose how to release it. It doesn't matter if they released it under GPL, that's just a license, they still own the original property and can still do whatever they want with it. The only thing they can't do is take ioQ3 and re-release it as propietary, because the changes introduced by others are not their intellecutal property. But with Q3 1.32 source they can do whatever they want, because it's theirs.

Let me put it this way: The GPL license is a paper where the propietary (ID) tells the licenser (whoever) under what conditions they can make use of their property. It is not some misterious GPL entity who says it, as the GPL is just a paper template and nothing else. It is the code propietary who puts the terms of use, but the propietary doesn't use, they own.

god you're stupid

You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny.

but he can have surgery and kill his mother

ql has xerp!!! sue them

Youre comparing an ugly hack to Carmacks magic? Hes a fkin genius and hes focused again in multiplayer and he has a vision about it , show a little respect..

RESPECT THE PACO!!!

So if arQ's netcode besting is but an ugly hack then why is it miles ahead of anything carmack has put out yet? ://////

CPMA netcode rules, im not denying it, was trolling a bit maybe. But seriously what would happen if Carmack invest the same time arQon has spent improving it over all this years...

A better question would be: Why DIDN'T he?

He was busy making the next generation game engine? You know, busy making money and running a business...

By making games that undersell? Q4 + ET sold less than 1 mil each.

He DIDNT make those games!!

Again, why DIDN'T he?

"phantomninja said: i see they gave it TF2 visuals"

Sarcasm?

Q3 has always looked cartoony though (pink and yellow ammo boxes? come on :p). So if anything, TF2 got Q3 visuals? The trailer was bad though, I agree with that.

Edit: comments fucked up :(

Myeah, the trailer kinda didn't show anything new i think..
Altho i don't know if it was special FX in the trailer, or if the gfx looks like that... But otherwise i think it looks just like Q3 :>

Kinda disapointed that I didn't get to see any actual gameplay (Except for the 3rd person view) :(

Wolfenstein RPG is gonna be coming out later this year

:DDD I loved doom RPG, but it doesnt run all that well on my phone:<

would love to play it on pc, even with mobile graphics:P

there are emulators of phones somewhere (I dunno where but I know they exist at least at programming level) so you can actualy play on your pc if you download an emulator of a good phone Oo