testing, atention please!
found bug, u can rj above mega on the sky.

Yeah, the entire roof of the level is open at this point. This will be fixed when I get the general layout tacked down.

I have to write this.

<RAGE>
This community is so lame.

I wonder why are you guys even bothering to create new maps for the rest, if the map pool for EVERY FUCKING official - not official - 4fun - 4money - 4serious - TOURNAMENT STAYS FUCKING THE SAME.

I ASK WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OF CREATING ANYTHING NEW FOR THIS FUCKING LAME COMMUNITY?

It's so pathetic. I bet we will be playing ZTN3FUCK1 in 2012 as well. I would love to play new maps, but with whom, bots? I still find quite often people who don't even know HUB, because it's new to them. I MEAN LOL WHAT THE FUCK.

New maps can save this game (QL/Q3), but that's just not gonna happen. People are too lazy and too lame to learn anything new.
</RAGE>

Q4 man :)

its not funny

seriously, not funny
my brother died that way

its coz eswc choosed this map list.. back in days, we played in tourneys 3 pukas, hubt1 and few other great maps!
still im to for new maps, but after eswc! :D

i heard rumours about wcg organising quake3 tournament in 2012 with new maps

i heard rumors about the world ending in 2012 according to the Mayans xD

QL has 'new' maps! (cpm fanboi so I couldn't care less really)

You COULD care less.

By not posting what you have just posted, you would've cared less..

What says I cared because I posted? Lawd.

You did, by posting...

Again, what does it have to do with me caring. I know QL have new maps, I don't care about them. I informed him QL has new maps, I don't care about them.

What about posting again?

You cared enough to post, if you wouldn't have cared you wouldnt have posted it's simple as that.

I guess we could do this all days, its pretty fun.

Yeah it's a great timekiller.:)

So, what you having for dinner today?

Sadly, I already had the discussion with a female friend over msn who totally made trash of my caring for QL maps, or whatever. Apparently, I love QL, I worship it. In fact I love it so much I wish there were only new maps of it just so I wouldn't play them since I only play cpm.

I CARE LOADS. FUCK YEA.

I should not have mentioned my knowledge of QL, because now I also care about it, it really hurts.. deeply :/


Oh, probably another bowl of these weird delicious chili-meatballs o0 (if you could call that 'dinner')

Ah enlightment:D

Chili meatballs? sounds farty:P

Will found out later, stay tuned.

who cares ? :P

It burns

because the actual game is designed that way so you should know the map very well to take an advantage over your opponent. Take it as one of basic Quake game mechanics flaws.

ZTN stated in one of his interviews that he simply dont know why Blood Run is so popular in tournaments - actually it was designed for small QW TDMs and FFAs lol.

i think you need add one more armor and mb teleport for example as i made here

I like the idea. Thanks for making the example as it was very helpful. Adding another yellow armor could be easily done.

Does anyone else agree?

nice, I like it. some ideas:
- ra room should have 1 more exit or be more interesting
- didnt like that you added so many windows with bars

Edit: I uploaded on my server: 79.133.33.123:27015

Thanks for the suggestions cYmoZz. I am working on another version atm that includes your suggestions, along with extone's.

And thanks for the server space :)

I've updated the map to Alpha 3 status. The map is a bit easier to get around now, and I've added a second yellow armor as per extone's suggestions. The red armor room has also been modified (Thanks cYmoZz).

Download Alpha 3

If everyone likes this version, I will probably begin detailing the map. So if you have any major changes you think will make this a better competitive map, please let me know!

Thanks,

Phantazm11

i dont like ra room now. i prefer old ra room version or you need add real third entrance to ra room. and i want bars near ra back)
i made one more example - phantq3dm1_ab.pk3
stairs leading to ra room mb too long mb not, its just example how you can add third entrance. mb you need totally redesign ra room

I'll take a look at your version later today extone. :)

Anyone else feel the same about the bars or the RA room?

Thanks for the idea, extone. I like how you positioned the other entrance to the RA room, though I personally think that it makes the map a bit too big. You have given me some ideas to play with though.

I think I will bring back the bars above the RA room. I kind of miss them :)

details lacks it :P

Details added in the beta version, they will be. :)

New maps rule.

New maps rule YOU

In Soviet Russia.......



/Family Guy

Syberia rulz you!

I agree. Do you have any opinions about this particular map? I would really appreciate your thoughts on it.

it needs more promode

Here we go...The alpha 4 version is ready and can be downloaded here:

Download


New screenshot :



I'm pretty satisfied with this version, so I will begin detailing it for a beta release.

why did you exchanged portal with teleport? i think two-sided portal is fresh and good idea for tourney! place back it in beta. i hope there will be much more testing in beta stage and you wil have more reason to replace it or not.
one more thing i just dont understant why you made jumpad trigger so high. imo they must be max 1 unit above ground.
and spawns imo need changes too. for gaming moments they mb fine but you have to consider every spawn as initial and compare evrey two at least closest spawns possiblly spawning both players. spawn_1 should have advantage in way_1 and disadvantage in way_2 and spawn_2 should have advantage in way_2 and disadvatage in way_1 otherwise one player will have advantage by random.

If you make a trigger-push 1 unit high, you actually take falling damage when you fall on it.

Thanks for the advice extone. I can lower the jp's. In Q4 it was a bit better to have them higher.

I'll also rethink the spawn positions.

Edit: Oh, about the portals...Some ppl complained that it was too easy to chart your opponent's position with both portals in place. That is why most of the grates have been removed from the level also (compared to the first version.) Personally, I like the portals (probably like you) for artistic reasons. These, however, are things that can easily be changed during the beta testing.

crap

Thanks for your indepth, thought provoking analysis of the alpha version, Popularity: Nobody (0%).

You have all these interesting areas and then the ra area is sub par. You added a grate above that bouncepad, which doesn't really excite me, it just means someone is going to be camping VERY FAR from the ra with a railgun. It would be better with a grate that was higher off the floor, so that players wouldn't be able able to stand back all the way in the corner and still fire off a rail at ra, make them get close to that window so they are actually vulnerable. It also makes sense to remove the teleporter, which is far too easy an escape route, and is also a quick route from ra to ya or mega. The problem is that there is no quick route to ra from either of those areas, that makes the entire map very biased towards the player in control of the ra.

Possible Control routines:
ra -> portal to mega -> portal to ya
ra -> portal to ya -> portal to mega
Both leave plenty of time to cycle back for the next ra.

All in all it looks promising, but have another go at the ra area, it simply doesn't suit the rest of the map.

If i get the opportunity to play it, i'll comment some more.

Thanks for the feedback vamp1re. Would making the ra tp alcove into a hallway around to the back ya area help this?

Extone's version had this but no one commented on it. Here is that version if you care to check it out : http://files.filefront.com/phantq3dm1+abpk3/;...einfo.html

I will probably leave the window, but make it higher as you suggested.

I uploaded alpha4 to my server:

79.133.33.123:27015
callvote phantq3dm1_a4

If someone wants to play, pm me on quakenet: hoorai\cYmoZz

Thanks again, cYmoZz. I'd love to play, but my inet is crapolla.

Hey,

I've uploaded a new version of the alpha map I've been working on. The main change to this version is the RA room. Hopefully it is now more exciting. It also offers a third exit missing from all other versions. Thanks to extone for the idea.

This pushes the version number to 5:

www.phantazm11.com/content/downloads/map_phantq3dm1_alpha_5.zip

Let me know what you think. :)

I'll test it when I get back home. And hopefully bring some suggestions. I'll try to find something that makes it good in cpm aswell.

cool, dunno what u think but i think if u take the YA from the plasma area and have it by the mega ( where the shotgun is) that would be better in my opinion =)

possible beta after the holidays...

I recently played ur map and just only now noticed that mega has 90 sec respawn. why so large? i think if 35 sec is too low you can try 45 sec for beta. it will make game more tense and 45 is more complex to count than big round numbers like 90.
and by the way i still want two-sided portal back =)

I'll try 45 seconds for the Mega. I found the game pretty tense at 60, but I'm not a pro player. Thanks for the suggestion :)

Yeah, while I was playing with details I popped the other portal back in. Not sure how popular it will be, but I always liked those kind of portals personally.

Changing respawn times is a pretty clear indication that something was wrong in the first place.

If a default respawn MH is too powerful, don't make up some obscure 45sec respawn. Either make the MH less accessible, more risky etc... Or simply replace MH with something else.

Non-default respawn times are a cheap "fix" and you ought to do better than that.

"Changing respawn times is a pretty clear indication that something was wrong in the first place."
why? whats so special about 35 sec respawn? and what about maps with 2 min mega respawn time? are they all broken?

Yes, "they" are.

T4 at least has the excuse that 120s was the original MH respawn time, and it was naively hardcoded into the map so it didn't update correctly when the default was changed to 35. Every other 120s MH (except there aren't any on maps that people actually play, BECAUSE it's retarded) is just Clueless Mappers Being Clueless.

you didnt explain why. if initially map is good organized and nothing points that default MH respawn time is too low. and you only figured it out during play testing of almost finished map i dont think you need to totally reconstruct map to fit default MH respawn time.
the same situation was with l4dm1. it hardly possible to reconstruct map to fit default MH respawn time.
so l4dm1 is broken too basically because of not fitting default MH respawn time?

I think it's more about the idea to have consistency in the game. You're not changing shaft or rail damage on a way too open map either, you rather fix the layout/geometry so the consistent gameplay system works for that map.

hmm i think it would be good if the layout was a bit less open, and the corridors not so long, atm it seems to me like its quite easy to control this map with rail. Also, I agree with Massman on the MH respawntime, maybe make the whole map a smaller, so 35s wont be a problem.

just found link to beta2 on q3w =)
http://www.phantazm11.com/index.php?option=co...ps-storage

looks awesome, should be tried in a small online tournament :)

wow, that looks really great :)

Might be used in the next Q3Revoluzzers Cup.

there seems to be a final version now
I uploaded on my server: 79.133.32.26:27960

There is indeed a final version. The original post has been edited to reflect the change.

Thanks for hosting the map cYmoZz.

Ok, there are still a few problems in this map:

Texture missing

problem with r_subdivision 80 exists on several places - you can see through the wall

overlapping textures

Also, there is not enough health bubbles in this map.