Sexy stuff!

They fix netcode?

Doesn't look like it =(

lol

On windows, config files, screenshots etc are now stored in %APPDATA%\Quake3\.
This translates to c:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\Quake3 on my vista system, but will be in a different location on XP.
Just type %APPDATA% into Start menu -> Run.

ROFL. Why would anyone consider this necessary for q3?

Just fucking drop the mod already and make a community switch to CPMA with cpm gameplay and RA3/CA might actually become playable.

to be fair, that is an ioquake3 change, not ra3.

The reasoning I guess is to make it consistant with the nix versions, and to follow the MS recomended way of doing things. Non admin users under xp *need* this change.

please elaborate, because i do not see why having the config files and a history of all your console-written cvars in the %APPDATA% instead of just in the mod-directory..

the whole existence of that cvar history gives me the impression that the ra3 ioquake executable is packed with a backdoor giving remote access to that file, btw..

Haha, yeah, at least in original Q3 we have PunkBuster to protect us from such intrusions.

'the scene' unofficially stopped using punkbuster many years ago, and one of the reasons i dislike QL is because of the mandatory service-installation of punkbuster.. why would it be necessary to have punkbuster running while you're not even playing? insulting.

q3 default install directory is programfiles, which non admins should not have permissions to write to, and many places enforce this rule (admittedly businessesthat would not want you running q3) . Under vista it is sometimes silently redirected to appdata because so many programs assumethey can write to progfiles.

Not writing to progfiles is a requirement for "games for windows" and also the standard "windows logo" program, and if q3 were released now, this is how it would be.

It also has the added benefit of if you are on a network with roaming profiles enabled, your q3 config will follow you whichever pc you log on to.

Probably the deciding factor for ioq3 is that ms copied unix here, and ioq3 is primarily developed by linux types.

The decision to do this was made by the ioq3 devs, not ra3. However elquiffo didnt decide to remove it like arqon did with cnq3.

science be praised that the 3rd party developers are spending time retroactively making a nine year old game somehow conform to 'games for windows'-bullshit

not making a decision is also to make a decision :p

thanks for answering :)

ioq3 is the base for a number of standalone games, all of which have aspirations of "working" properly under Vista so that they don't reduce their playerbase. Sure, you are happy running Q3 as if its an old game, but not everyone wants to be restricted to 9 year old methods.

BTW, This change was made back in August 06. I guess this shows nobody here uses ioq3 to play q3 ;)

We did this switch in Warsow too. It's just the way things have to be done these days. But it's also true that the way Windows layouts the home dir is not good. For a start it's hidden in default settings. It's badly findable for the average user. We ended up adding an installer with to provide start menu shortcuts (and other neat things, ofc) and providing a portable version to skip using it.

Yea, I hate that it is a hidden directory, that is a real pain when talking with non-techies. Shortcuts are a nice solution.

I heard from someone that MS might refine things a bit specifically for games (IIRC by pulling some of the data under my documents\games\ or something similar). This could just confuse things even more, and it doesn't solve the problem for general apps.

at least they did got rid of 'my documents and settings' in new versions.C:\Users\name\ is much more sensible

It's this that makes me think of the idea of multiple methods of representing data. There is the existing data structure with the now unchangeable ridiculously nested user data that no basic user can find and annoys most advanced users. My solution would be a more formalized version of what you can do with shortcuts to create custom folder and file location trees (purely as a representation of the existing data struture) so that user's files are more easily accessed. Putting a My Documents link somehow doesn't seem to work out as one might expect.

"I heard from someone that MS might refine things a bit specifically for games (IIRC by pulling some of the data under my documents\games\ or something similar)."

Yeah, that's the way it should be. We actually considered creating a "Warsow documents" inside my documents, but we had the installer + portable solution already working and using the start menu is more natural for the casual players anyway. All oldschoollers are using the portable so it doesn't matter :)

besides it is completly shit it shoud be:

for q3ded:
C:\Documents and Settings\SysOp\%APPDATA%\id Software\quake iii arena

for q3client:
not: C:\Documents and Settings\SysOp\%documents%\games\quake3 (not "My Games" since MS remove "My" in VISTA and W7)

I tried RA3 awhile ago due to boredom. What the fuck is wrong with the LG there?

is the best?

afair it's baseq3 netcode. or similar

Heavily modified, with some weird un-lag stuff thrown in to it. That's how it felt to me when I played it ages ago (1.7 release was the last one? I forgot.. it was during that)

Just to reiterate what funnyb said:

lol

oh boy...

lol

Haha I just looked at the server list, 5/6 of them are German.

Shock of the century!

Even if most of ra3er are German (i think) ; this version was release yesterday and it's just the first servers.

lol?

c:\documents and settings\users\yourusername\application place\hidden directory\end of the rainbow\around the houses\jim\temp122\porn\moreporn\games\quake3

They try to keep the best of UNIX and failed =)

Rocket Arena aims to level the playing field by giving reincarnated players full health, weapons, and armour. No further pickups are available, so each player's condition monotonically decreases through the game, until they are killed and reborn. The nature of RA rewards accuracy and the conservative use of ammunition, and encourages fluid, open play rather than some of the static conditions in which ordinary deathmatch can sometimes turn into; tactics such as hiding, sniping, and camping (seen by many as unsportsmanlike) lose much of their effectiveness in Arena-mode combat. Many players consider Rocket Arena to be an excellent way for one to demonstrate their fighting skills, where effects of luck and unsportsmanlike play are largely mitigated.

I find it hilarious how removing armors/weapons, thus *ALL* incentive to move, can somehow make ra3players come to the conclusion that ra3 is less campy than variations of q3 where you HAVE to move.

Each ra3map has one or two optimal spots, spots where you have a structural advantage. Since there's no reason to move away from your optimal spot you just keep camping there. Your opponent can control 95% of the map and it does not matter, they gain no advantage. You can stay hidden in a corner, rocket aiming at door entrance.

Dunno why I post this, it ought to be obvious to most "true" q3 players that ra3 is grossly flawed and that its playability/funfactor is 100% dependant on the players' willingness to ignore the inherent "camper-advantage" and attack, thus being at a disadvantage.

word.

but to relativate that all, after so many years playing online fps titles, i say all games are campy, all. some more some less. map knowledge is one of the first rules.

in old games there is no risk left, strategies are all well known. and to the tactical team shooters: the same corners over and over again, over and over again.

theres only one solution: ask yourself, is this fun or not.

right now i have an idea, dont know if it makes sense: maps that changed randomly. :D

map-randomizer like diablo 2.. switches the four cardinal points for a complete mind-fuck every mapload..

callvote pro-q3dm6;say COOL MAP

i will bind that xD

i wonder how cool quake would be with a random version of q3dm6 everytime xD

Don't forget:

conservative use of ammunition

Yeah, play RA3 and you too can see if you can kill someone with only 50 rails at your disposal.

Sorry but ra3 is still better than your flawed, shitty mod.

if that is your opinion, then you are right to be sorry..

He's right, given that CPMA is flawed and absolutely shitty in terms of physics. I like how
CPMA fanboys try to push their flawed mod on other mods. Willing to bet this doesn't feel anywhere near as shitty as CPMA does.

the physics are different for vq3 with cpma, i agree.. but saying that they're flawed is just ignorant.. wouldn't trust you to know the difference tho :\

Of course you wouldn't.

You blatantly assume I don't know the difference, but of course I wouldn't expect much more from a CPMA fanboy. There's no sense in discussing this with anybody who touts CPMA's "superiority" to every other mod conceivable because, as Badb0y hinted at, CPMA fanboys are much like religious fanatics. Have fun with your fucked up physics. :)

go enjoy pmove and the lowered gravity a.k.a. 333fps in ra3 instead of making useless attempts at insults disguised as posts with no substance..

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The guy who broke VQ3 doesn't play it, right? So why did he touch it?

now i get where the hate is coming from.. you're raged ^^

Honestly the stupidity of some trollers just amaze me. And my stupidity in replying is just mind boggling.


I don't get how ra3ers can take my "ra3-is-flawed-post", not even ATTEMPT to make valid counter-arguments. But instead claim that a different mod is worse, although the original post was about the gameplay, it has nothing to do with the mod.

In fact cpma supports arena play as well. That's why it changed name from cpm to cpmARENA. CPMA arena is just as crap as RA3 as it has the same inherent camper-advantage that I outlined in the original post. As does osp ca and so on.

If you disagree with any of my initial points please do not hesitate to reply:

- No weapons/armors/pus means no incentive to move.

- Each ra3map has one or two optimal spots, spots where you have a structural advantage. Since there's no reason to move away from your optimal spot you just keep camping there. Your opponent can control 95% of the map and it does not matter, they gain no advantage. You can stay hidden in a corner, rocket aiming at door entrance..

- Ra3 playability/funfactor is 100% dependant on players' willingness to ignore the inherent "camper-advantage" and attack, thus being at a disadvantage.

And I don't get how cpmers can take a "new ra3 release" post and turn it into a "lol ra3 is so shitty" thread and imply that anyone who chooses ra3 over cpma is a moron.
Dunno why I post this, it ought to be obvious to most "true" q3 players that cpma is grossly flawed, and you're clearly beneath me if you disagree, as my mod's many minions (yay for alliteration!) will attest.

The same shit happens in every CPMA release thread, get over yourself.

You clearly didn't understand mass. The gameplay is flawed, the mod itself is irrelevant. CPM Clan Arena is just as shitty and flawed as RA

cpma is like a religion... sometimes cpma players with "the best mod of the world" babling starting to annoy me like jesus-bible freaks.

the fact is, none of these guys are actually having fun playing cpma. if they were they'd be out there playing it, not tooting about it on every forum in every thread.

cpma supports arenaplay as well, and it's just as crap as ra3.

Your anger is misplaced young padawan.

last time I looked there was no thunderstrike in cpma. stfu

I assume you mean "Thunderstruck" as in ra3map1 arena 1. Being an arena map, it is playable in cpma. I turn your attention to my previous post.

I am sorry that you force me to display your stupidity once more. Have a nice day.

once more? we never ever talked dumbass. and I was talking about the maps not the gameplay. who cares if cpma formally supports ra3 gameplay when there are no cpma servers with ra3 maps on. put some servers up with map1 and map11 and maybe someone will start playing your mod.

Did you cry when Bush made his final speech? You certainly seem to fit the demographic of a midwestern hick.

I'll try to spell it out for you once more. Arena is shallow, flawed gameplay. It does not matter whether Arena is played in ra3, in cpma or in osp for that matter.

I hope you see why your misguided fixation on cpma might be a simple case of you being in denial about the flaws of Arena.

I was sobbing like a baby

it does with server cfg?

there are some arena only cpma servers out there where people play ra3map constantly, although with cpm physics but all the same.

100% true, this has made RA boring for over a decade, and tragically it could be solved very easily:
- have one team be the attackers and the other team the defenders.
- switch the team roles every round.
- if the defenders aren't all dead when time runs out, they win.

et voila, no more campfests, at least not from both sides simultaneously.

cs dynamics could work in ra3.

That's a good solution, we may steal the idea. =D

pls do

Was just about to link it in pm.org. I really like it. Not that it matters for pubs much, but those guys actually play clan matches, and for those it might be a godsend

Don't forget to add some zombies!!!111

It could actually lead to some interesting tactics.

This is why CTFS is simply inherently a much better game than CA

Arqon, can you please create new modes of play for quakelive? You are the only good person working with quakelive. I know all the new console commands that came out of the beta in the recent months were from you. Please create capturestrike - freezetag - defrag and maybe pull some other stuff out of your head for us.

:D

Nice solution, I wonder why nobody ever thought of that before..

Noob Arena 3

Something something for all 16 players of the RA3.. community?

thinking of PK, bro

be gladly that there is some kind of scenes left...

theres the mod for the noobs again.
thus nobody should feel adressed on esr

in europe ra3 is a bigger mod. thats fact.

bigger than what? not me, that's for sure!

bigger than life

bigger than jesus

lol...a few years to late


back to quake live.

Rocketarena 1.8 --> SUX ASS ...
i will stop playing if they use that shit for servers
gg ra3 after 9 years :)

has there ever been a change in quake3 where noone flamed about how lame it is and that the old version is so much better?

LOOOL NUBRA3 ROFL QUIT PLAYING BECAUSE IM SUCH A MORON LG OVERRATED RAILONLY HIHI

german + anonymous + likes ra3

shocker

add OSP there and you've got the whole package :DDD

lol

awesome work. thanks guys

This release makes me miss the golden age of q3

- smoke trails can be colored by the currently set team colors

thats cool

back in the q2 days there was also a duel arena, nowadays only teamarena is played, which I find quite a bit boring ...

im not so happy with this update.

1. i want my console back on just 'circumflex' and not stupid 'shift+circumflex'

2. the sound ingame is weird and bugged

3. i dont want no stupid application data/quake 3 folder for my config! every time i end ra3 a default config overwrites my own config. what bullshit is this??

s_useopenal "0" for sound
As for the rest i don't have your problems

I believe that in ioq3, you can set the console to any key using the new cvar, cl_consoleKeys.

This can be a space separated list of all the keys you want to use to bring down the console. The keys can either be the text you want to trigger it ("c"), or the hex value (eg "0xb2").

HAHHA USE THIS TO RET GID OF THOSE STUPID ioq3 LINUX SHIT !!!

PATCH TO ra3.exe MUST NOT CONTAINS SPACES BECAUSE BUG IN SHIT ioq3 !

EXTRACT THIS WHERE YOU HAVE ra3.exe: _RA3.zip

or create _RA3.bat file where you rave ra3.exe with:

REM cut here
@echo off
for /F %%i in ('cd') do (
start "" ra3 +set fs_homepath "%%i"
)
exit
REM cut here

OMG THAT ioq3 SHIT has a bug with:
fs_homepath "D:\Dokumenty\My Games\Quake III Arena"
it make "D:\Dokumenty\My" folder OMG WHAT A BUNTCH OF SHIT !
Ofc cnq3 works fine and even quake3.exe is ok.

Maybe it needs to have a \ before each space ?

No. Cnq3 and quake3.exe works fine = ioq3 has a bug or it works different ,with is still a bug.

The correct way to report bugs is to post in the bugzilla with details of the bug, and then someone can fix it. ofc, they wouldn't be interested in a bug report with your level of whine.

I've done this for you (here), and have even fixed the bug, and posted the real fix there too. That is only a patch to ioq3, not ra3, but it could easily be applied to ra3 too.

BTW, checking the code, it looks like both CNQ3 and Q3 1.32b have this bug on all platforms except for Windows.

My post wasn't a bug report. And even my level of whine is beyond RA3 coders limits then even that they should fix this or allow people to use quake3.exe instead of 25 MB of ioq3 SHIT !

"except for Windows" = so it works :P

fs_homepath \"D:\Dokumenty\My Games\Quake III Arena\"

Problem solved, stop whining.

question: why?

why now? why ra3? why ioq3?

why not?

sounds nice

Is only valid for the ra3 geeks out there, so stop complaining.
We don't want you cpma movement boons on our map11!!!

It's kinda the same as when you see a baby eating shit. You could leave him to it, but our humanity compels us to tell ra3ers that eating poo is not good.

poo coming out of your mouth doesnt seem to bother you that much.

- No weapons/armors/pus means no incentive to move.

- Each ra3map has one or two optimal spots, spots where you have a structural advantage. Since there's no reason to move away from your optimal spot you just keep camping there. Your opponent can control 95% of the map and it does not matter, they gain no advantage. You can stay hidden in a corner, rocket aiming at door entrance..

- Ra3 playability/funfactor is 100% dependant on players' willingness to ignore the inherent "camper-advantage" and attack, thus being at a disadvantage.

http://www.anloo.se/reptile/RA3_R_GYDDEST.rar

Enough said?

If by ra3 you mean public servers, yes enough said.

So, by playing ra3 clanwar those three weaknesses magically disappear?

I find that very hard to believe. Clan games mean people want to win, therefore much less likely to give up any advantage (see flaw #3).

However I might be mistaken. The nightmare games I have in the back of my mind are those absolutely horrible clanbase games where finals would takes +4 hours for one map.
Can you provide any recent demos with equally skilled top ra3 clans where both ignored the inherent camper-advantage of ra3?

Most of the really annoying clans disappeared a while ago. Now an average map last 5 to 10 minutes. Sometimes 20 for particular maps like ra3map8.
As for your three "weaknesses", i would say differences.

- No weapons/armors/pus means no incentive to move.
It also means no incentive to camp a zone to be sure to grab it.


- Each ra3map has one or two optimal spots, spots where you have a structural advantage.
true, but the whole point of ra3 is to control these optimal spots. that's why rounds are so fast. It's really rare to have 2 clans regrouping in different zones. Most of the time there is a spot known as the main spot of the map because of its advantages and ppl will just fight for it.
Ra3 used to be as you remember because there was an enormous gap between top clans and new clans. New clans would just camp to fill this gap. Now all the clans are at least skilled enough to regroup correctly.
Now yes, finishes can be long especially in play-offs of well known leagues (your demo is really caricatural btw), but if you look at top duel players, sometimes it can be really long before something actually happens.

- Ra3 playability/funfactor is 100% dependant on players' willingness to ignore the inherent "camper-advantage" and attack, thus being at a disadvantage.
I don't see what i can say to that. There are campers, and will always have. Most top players/clans learnt how to deal with them by rushing them or outcamping them. If you are not patient enough you won't like ra3. but as i said, there aren't as much campers as there used to have.

last european ra3 league div1 final between both top clans.
http://vvv.clan.free.fr/nl/index.php?id_newsnl=85
I don't remember it to be campy but i'm not sure :D

ra3 back to 100/100 plz

double rail off the start whooo

What is this I don't even.

I can't say i agree with!

I agree with but completely?

I remember having a sit-through of 15 hours once. It was map11 and I never ran out of foes to shaft down. Got 3x dmg 1.5x frags just like it needs to be. In the end I was very tired :)

i hope you lost, HAHAHAAAH ;P
no seriously, i do!

You can not loose playing puplic ra3... only perform bad. It's the same with life!