Guess this is some way off then :)

inb4haterz

good4u B>

LOL look who's there :D

ninjasubz :^D

and we need pmx :)

you need pmx2 m8....

#theteam topic
"new game PMX2 starring - pcb as mass, mted as liam, jagga as nekon, mistral/myt as arqon, ele as ix, sd as minky, xrg as funnyb, funnyb as xrg... luke as... jessica#17 and nono, damn, norz, hal900, sanchi, dynamite as the POLES!

why a pole :<

i don't want to be pole. let me be swedish :)

if im a pole, ure too!

hey tf

ahaha howold is this : D

the hell man! xrg!? :D totally bumping you down to #3

swedes innit you guys stick together like flies on shit.. btw no mirc no friends now FUCK OFF xxx :D

again wtf man, xrg?!

ahaha xrg $

FUCK.

after reading your comment on how the industry appears to have forgotten.....

i want to post this as a follow up...

http://esports.ie/index.php?option=com_conten...p;Itemid=5

My efforts, so to speak, to get the industry back into swing of things, one game at a time.

arQon recruiting new slaves?

I'm of no use but respect to what you're doing, hope to see the finished product soon :)

.

In assembler I think.

It's written on coffee if that's any help. The language is C++.

fuck pmx, someone needs to continue coding gtv ;)

Continue? The q3 implementation is closed-source... so you mean "start again"

haha, didnt know that. who developed it and had the bright idea to keep it cs after he stoped developing it?

Pretty sure I read somewhere that he had to (legally) but I'm not sure.

he had access to some parts of the q3 source code from id software which wasn't open back then, so he had to make it closed source.

ah, thanks for the info
its a shame though :(

The sad part is that now that q3 is GPL'd, fonfon (the author) could potentially release it now, but to be completely legal he has to first of all migrate it over onto the latest code (since it wasn't based on the GPL'd version). This would take some work on his part though, and realistically, this probably wont happen any time soon.

lmao @ q3 community

just make your own open source MVD/QTV already..

I think there are still barriers to its release as he used possibly commercially sensitive code of his own.

lolcode

:D

SPRAYING CUM EVERYWHERE!

premature ejaculation is it

naw, he's like this all the time

It's true.

I’m very sensitive, some would say that’s a plus...

JIZZING CUM EVERYWHERE!

get along with the times

I hope the "fun ideas" include a mid-air mode for PMX!

sounds great!

"The industry appears to have forgotten how to do this. "

fucking idd.

gl, look forward to seeing what u come up with.

Yay!

In the last years I've been a strong advocate of the need of pushing new ideas into the dm scene, and the need of this scene to evolve with the times. I wish you the very best of lucks with this project!

That being said, I don't think putting the blame on the industry is a good starting point. The scene needs to make an instropective look and accept that a big part of the fault is at themselves refusing even the smallest change to the things they know.

My best wishes for PMX!

...and accept that a big part of the fault is at themselves refusing even the smallest change to the things they know.

If you speak about Warsow's evolution, through each version weapons and movements were modified : it's important changes to the core gameplay not 'small changes' that made you loose players/activity in this game.

I don't speak about Warsow. I talk about the deathmatch scene in general and about the Quake scene in particular.

Just don't make the same mistakes Warsow did. =(

which was? (no i'm not a WS player)

cpm physics.

Due to the radical changes each patch, you continually had people who refused to upgrade. This spread everyone out between several different patches, and then killed them all.

I was one of the Top Tier WarSow Players among naymlis,kyuubi,kckzi, from versions .2 to .42 and I have to say, its not really that they made mistakes, in fact i enjoy the gameplay in .42 now a little more but the ONLY mistake that warsow really made was not upkeeping their game fast enough, when everyone, and I stress everyone complains about the armor system, for months, it needs to be reworked. The game is very "random" as far as how many rockets it takes to kill a man. So I think the key here is, keep up on the community, and see what changes could be made, and what changes NEED to be made and when you have NEEDED changes get them out ASAP and people won't loose interest

word, i think that was the main reason why i stopped playing warsow. the gameplay feels very unfinnished and it seems to take an age until there is something solid. i, for one, am gonna play cpm in the meantime. i can only recommend it ;)

You're right about that. It was bad having to wait months and months for minor changes (not meaning uninportant, just small in size). Fortunately we introduce server autoupdating with 0.5, which will allow making those kind of small changes possible at any time.

nice!
if small changes happen via server updates, what kind of changes are going to come with next releases?

While I think some mention of Warsow is in place in this discussion, this already goes too much on the particularities of it to be on topic ;)

ok :)

the pms team?

U so funneh, me laff long time.

Which one?
http://pmsclan.com/

arQon, you want to ruin Q3 with new shit ? Stop it.

o/,

Won't it be more like whole new game?

Imo it is only great thing to have a new egoshooter :D. And more nice in that is seeing that it comes from the same guys as cpma which feels solid as rock ( imo ).

as far as I can tell: basically take the conceptual gameplay changes from CPM compared to Q3, and take that times 2. For a general idea you can maybe read some in the Games and Gameplay Design forum on promode.org.

l2r

It's even less Q3 than CPM, and it's custom content to be standalone (guess why they ask for helpers). No one cares if you want to run around in baseq3 in 5 years from now still, a lot of people however care about a new great deathmatch game.

no logical physics = no go

LIKE STRAFEJUMPING

lmao at mad-rabbit-what-is-gravity-fetishers

lmao at retard arguing a deathmatch fps video game with logic

lmao at retard who misunderstood physics with logic

you both so gay suck cocks.

we know u'd jack off to that you cripple peterpuffer

nope

you already touch yourself ffs go away

suicide is the answer for you

dont kill yourself pls

stop, you already lost.

you already jacked off. sick fuck

im out

point proven.

"point proven" = how to try to finish a discussion with no arguments whatsoever.

idd, proven, haha.

seriously...

What a retard.

do i always have to see the "new reply" when i open esr to read what you wrote to me? fuck off and die of cancer, you brainless fuck.

wheres the ignore button

raged like a pole playing 1.31

guns with no recoil?!? stuff respawning around the map without you having to buy them?!?

NOT LOGICAL LOL GAME!

ultimate fail with dumb comparison, good work.

You do realise that there are literally hundreds of things in q3 that does not follow logic or physics?

One of them being that player velocity isn't added to projectiles. If you run at 320ups and fire a grenade strait down it does not move forward at all. That's the equivalent of driving 130km/h in a car, throwing a beer out the window and the beer falls strait down without rolling.

While your argument that q3 movement is not logical is correct, it pales in comparison.

you were talking about counterstrike, and i really dont see the connection, due to vast obviousness of us comparing promode with vq3 physics.

second, that velocity bug sure is important, hell, they should have remembered what happened in duke nukem when u were running with steroids and fire a rocket!

w/e

That projectiles ignore velocity is not a bug. It's illogical, but not a bug. Understand the difference.

Aircontrol is arguably illogical. However your precious osp movement has far more illogical behaviour. If I may refresh your memory: Ridiculous overbounces, 3000ups speed increase when you fall from heights and so on. All highly illogical.

more illogical than changing direction of movement while being midair?


hahahahahahahhaa

Yes.

However, I sense you do not know what overbounce is. Or the falling-increase-speed feature.. and I see no sense in discussing the matter further until you've read up on it.

why bother? in theory, you can try to move vq3 style irl, in a way. but you cant do it with cpm physics. and that is the end of discussion. really.

So you dismiss that overbounce/speedboost is illogical without even knowing what overbounce is. I guess that' says all about your debate skills.

you know, with the time you two have wasted having this completely pointless discussion, you could have done a lot of better things.

Actually no I couldn't.

Im sorry to hear man.. I really am.

You might not know this, but outside the internet, there's a world, waiting for you to explore it!

he has eaten most of it

compared to changing direction midair those are *minor details* at most

and that makes vq3 a better game?

Going with logic, in rl you can adjust your running speed, all while keeping directional control, and air control mimicks that to a certain extent. But yeah, arguing logic in a dm game is borderline retarded.

You do know that your precious vq3 allows this too, right?

Sure, pm_airaccellerate is set to a pretty low value (1/10th of the ground accelleration value), but since you can change direct at all invalidates your "omg that isnt logical" argument.

cv pmove 0 and you have no more overbounces...( except for some random ones )..

Not often do you see people invalidating their own arguments. But thanks for doing it.

my own argument?...Actually I agree with you but i'm just saying the cases in which you can have an overbounce in osp can be drastically reduced....and quake has nothing to do with logic anyway.

they still occur. all this is besides the point anyway, q3 is not realistic or following logic/physics, and was never meant to be either. get the fuck over it. :<

when did i claim it's realistic or logic?

from the "besides the point" on, my post was not directed specifically at you :o

Hmmmm

I'm a day late and a dollar short... but the idea of projectiles "maintaining momentum" from your character sounds pretty damn interesting.

Please explain what you mean by "logical physics" because it can't be what everybody else here thinks you mean, it just can't be, nobody is that fucking dumb.

its gonna be like this.

you imagine i replied to you, so we can skip the part where 5 cpmers with their trademark inferiority complex come here like scavengers, sucking each others dicks with stories about cpm being the "superior mod" to "inferior vq3", [+]ing each other and boring people to death.

so lets say i saved some time for all of us

Stupid cpmers with their arguments and whatnot can go to hell

Give up - this isn't even quality trolling, let alone a good argument.

but nemecel is!

ill do it if u pay me

there you go.
now suck and swallow

the only people this will appeal to is the current cpm community.

you've already alienated a large majority of the vq3 scene by essentially telling them to go fuck themselves or play something else when they don't like the changes you've made.

Some took your advice and left for other games such as tf2 and quake live and once ql gets the competitive settings added, I suspect you'll lose the majority of the vq3 scene that does remain.

as for attracting a public scene, look at warsow, a few people tried it and it died within a year. I don't think you'll do any better.

I'm so ditching q3 when this comes out.

warsow has no arqon

you kidding? They have jal. He's twice the asshole and has thrice the programming talent!! Oh but he doesn't know jack shit about actually making a good game.

I guess you're right.

ha!

hai sepht

regrettably the above statement wasn't me :(

Wasn't even the same ISP. But they did seem to be from California!! Maybe Lo got some insight from me!!! There's also loveless, there was illz. There's quite a few warsow players in Cali and most of them have comcast hostmasks. I however, do not.

I have an ESR account that I use when I post and I don't exactly have a fear of saying not-so-nice things publicly.

-- sepht

i was 100% sure #72 was from you :) however, hai sepht!

We will be taking a different tack on dealing with the community, being less in your face, less available and less willing to justify changes. It is apparent from the CPM project and watching Warsow and their community that it's impossible to please everyone regardless of what you do nor of how nice you are, the atmosphere tends to become poisonous.

The game will remain significantly take it or leave it and we're not that concerned about creating a giant scene, as long as we can gain a sufficiently large player base for it to be self-sustaining our interest is in making good gameplay. We'll listen to ideas but often we'll have to reject them.

As a request, try to be more open, at least when it comes to media assets and letting people track development. When you actually get around to having a running build, maybe after the first public release -- open an svn, let people see what you're doing. It'll make it easier to sort through the bad ideas -- svn junkies aren't known to report much besides bugs and honest problems.

Warsow's problem isn't that they're too willing to talk to their community, it's that they're too scared to lose parts of their community. The game is some scary amalgamation of a half dozen different games, each catering to a completely difference audience. They have a fractured community that is hostile to various parts of itself -- it's a goddamn autoimmune disorder. The developers are all too scared to tell anyone what warsow should be about and it leads to everyone thinking that THEIR idea is the right idea. CA players are trying to promote a crazy version of RA3 and supplant deathmatch (warsow 0.5 will no longer have FFA deathmatch), instagib players want to play duckhunt, racers have disconnected into a separate community and deathmatch players have largely quit and gone back to CPM. And the devs don't want to pick a side to upset the other groups.
Pleasing everyone is an obviously stupid concept -- see Diakatana.

All it takes is someone to come out and chop off the extra limbs before warsow burns itself out, but the developers are too scared of blood :).

As long as you're clear that you're making a game that is about X, you won't have the toxic atmosphere that exists in warsow. Seeing as this is promode, I don't foresee you having those problems :).

nice pointless warsow bash

idiot

"We will be taking a different tack on dealing with the community, being less in your face, less available and less willing to justify changes. It is apparent from the CPM project and watching Warsow and their community that it's impossible to please everyone regardless of what you do nor of how nice you are, the atmosphere tends to become poisonous."

So much agreed. We've all learnt that lesson. If I ever start a new project it will also follow zero comunications politics. Troubleshooting and that's it.

im going to have to agree. this is the by far the biggest problem i believe is facing the pmx team

once this is released i believe it will reaffirm the belief that deathmatch is dying and will be unable to bring in new players.

people now of days are far more impressed with crap like call of duty 4 where you can run around spraying and praying and get kills as opposed to a deathmatch game where you have to think alittle.

pmx might be the greatest game ever but i dont see it being very successful outside of the current dm community, although its not their fault really.

i've met plenty of people in the cod4/tf2 demographic that have wanted to try cpm after seeing videos or watching me play, but quickly get frustrated and lose interest when trying to jump through all the arcane hurdles just to install and configure the game and get into a server.

pmx could eliminate these issues by being standalone and user friendly

Those same people would /quit after half an hour of playing (getting raged in) it. That's part of the golden reason why games like COD4 thrive, they give newbs a chance.

I know it's been said before, but that really is the main problem with Quake after you get beyond installing it and such.

yeah, you're probably right. i think one of the biggest reasons i stuck with learning cpm was that i learned together with a friend who never played it before either.

edit: it needs a huge advertising campaign so a whole bunch of new people start playing at the same time

^ that was a joke... i know advertising costs money :[

the key to that is making sure beginners get to play beginners, and get an understanding for how the improve and how fun the game can be before they get completely crushed. Some kind of QL-style matchmaking would be nice in some way.

Matchmaking or not, you need a large enough player base to give people equal matches. If beginners always turn away because the small existing player base demolishes them, there will never be beginners to give other beginners an even match. :)

On a small scale, it can work with friends playing each other, organizing matches on IRC, etc, but that's not enough for the game to flourish.

But yeah, I agree.

a good matchmaking service allows for a larger player base, and a larger player base allows for a good matchmaking service.

I think the two are very dependent on each other. Matchmaking allows the players to stay and make a larger community, and a larger community allows for good matchmaking.

I'm not so confident on matchmaking itself, tbh. I think first time joiners feel discouraged if having to make up a match for playing. I'm a big believer in skill sorted server browser as the one at QL, tho.

jup, feels to me like it works pretty well. had some close duels recently.

first time for you? ;)

well, i started to play some duels just recently. i played it for 10mins after i got invited and left it at that, 'cause it was a major pain in the ass.
now it seems like fun. although i always miss aircontrol. vq3 movement is so boring.

glad you like it. the matchmaking system hasn't worked for me tho, I either demolish my opponent or get demolished. only had 2 or 3 close games so far.

Agreed. When I began playing q3 I only played vs a few irl friends that were just as crap as me and we improved together.

If you enter the scene alone and get beat 50-0 every game (which will literally happen in cpm) you have to be really stubborn to keep going.
This is why simplistic game modes that normally get ridiculed; CA/FFA/NTF/mid-air, are actually a requirement for a continued supply of new players.
There's a risk that newbies will keep playing those simplistic modes and never move to the "real" modes such as 1v1/tdm, but the alternative is that they never even try your game or get hammered 50-0 in 1v1/tdm and quit after a week.

You simply can't make an elitist game catering only the hardcore players. Because eventually you WILL run out of hardcores and with no new players your game will die.

Why Virtual Worlds are Designed By Newbies - No, Really!
Some of the points raised can easily be applied to fps games.

Good read that.

I think you can pretty much take that entire article and apply it to MP FPS games with only a tiny amount of tweaking to the points.

If you enter the scene alone and get beat 50-0 every game (which will literally happen in cpm) you have to be really stubborn to keep going.

I would have to disagree to a degree. All the newbies I have introduced to the game seem to enjoy losing in CPM more than VQ3, regardless of losing 50-0 in either. I assumed it would be the other way around.

probably because it's more exciting in cpm, more stuff going on, crazy speeds etc. in vq3 you get outclassed in a more boring way I'd say, in cpm you get comletely raped but funny stuff is happening!!! >:DSD:FSD

funny stuff?

faster and jumping round corners while a bunch of immature fucks spam 10 billion smilies

yeah fucking comedy gold.

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I prefer smilie spam and RL frags, indeed.

haha

losing 50-0 is losing 50-0 regardless of how it happens

a newbie not know any difference

imo losing is indeed funnier in CPM.
and i know all about it!

fuck the vq3 scene

Oh yeah, since the CPM scene is all flowers and rainbows.

Give me a break.

flowers and rainbows? we're arrogant and ignorant towards stupid shit i.e. you and vq3

Shit talking coming from a CPM'er, you think I really care? Go troll something else like irc.

lol, that's funny because you're the biggest idiot on Esr and irc... stfu, die slow nigga

Do you not have anything better to do then talk shit on the internet?

The amount of negativity is depressing

well tbh its a gold project, and there is no chance that any wanker from this website would have just 1% of the skills needed there so its a total waste of time.
Nice teeser tho

<!--Jamerio-->

what

if you just post that from now on, everyone gets the message and it saves a bunch of time. win-win for everyone.

;D

It's a bit naive to think that when this is out, it will be the 'OMG BEST COMPETITIVE GAME EVAR'.

It's the same reason why Warsow isn't really big. Sure, it has it's players, but the game is more of a project. Quake Live is being advertised, has the bigger player base, and in all honesty, is fine for dueling.

This is just something for the CPM'ers to play on, that's it.

Not really. I mean, the 99% of the chances are at happening what you say, but sometimes a game can trigger a hidden key at players brains and become popular just because. Don't forget that the biggest online FPS became popular just by being a mod and only by the mouth to mouth. No advertising at all. It's just luck, but it can happen.

I was actually referring to the number of people who have an irrational hate hardon for CPMA or anything associated with it.

And please don't call me naive, it's insulting.

I wasn't calling you naive, I was calling whoever thinks it will be the biggest 1v1 game naive.

=)

I don't think anyone is saying it's going to be the biggest game, simply that it will be a "new game" being created not for the sole purpose to generate $8 billion in a year geared towards the more competitive players.

You should learn to support the right people when they are trying to give the community something more.

My point is that there's to be no expectations of it to be in any tournaments, except online. There's a reason Warsow is at the state that it's at.

Warsow WAS great. It had the potential to be "that" deathmatch game. However the developers changed the state of the game for the sake of changing it, not to make the game better, which really didn't help improve the already low player base.

Even if it WAS great, it wouldn't of reached some amazing peak in players and appear in tournaments. It doesn't have the mainstream advertising to become as popular as Quake or UT. There's no way for a game like that to overtake Quake or UT. There is, but it's an EXTREMELY low percentage.

Why does everything have to be about professional LAN competitions?

If the game is good enough it will grow a community and since it will be a free standalone product it should attract people to try it quite easily. The only thing holding a project like this back is whether it is any good.

The thing that has held back DM games is a combination of being hard to get into (Need to buy/warez, need to download all sorts of stuff, complex to setup), the modes that support lots of players are dog shit (FFA, CA, CTF) and the modes that aren't are very hard to get any fun out of untill you get to a certain skill level.

CS and DOTA didn't have massive advertising just word-of-mouth for a fun mod that someone found and tried. They were fun and so it spread like bush fire.

The thing his type wants shouldn't even be called a game anymore. You might as well call it a job with bump maps.

As usual you have no idea what you're talking about, i swear last week you were sucking arQon's dick

Over what?

I've never really mentioned him in anything recently.

As usual you have no idea what you're talking about

lol. why's this bad news to some

bloody emos never happy

HAI, more gays in our club plzz. Need textures to work with <3

I've been a QuakeWorld player for 10 years now, and if you know anything about qw players, it's that we hate change! :D

But I'm really looking forward to PMX, I however like many have said don't believe it will get HUGE as it's a deathmatch game, and todays youth don't seem to have the will to use a large amount of time on practice before they can get on the scoreboard. The young gamers I see today are into CS/TF2/WOW

I'm not saying you can't get good at CS/TF2 by practicing, I'm just saying that it won't take you more than 5mins to get on the scoreboard :)

What I'm looking forward to with PMX is that it might be the game I can be able to play with some of my real life friends, those who do not play qw, as it's new, it's shiny and it isn't called Quake.

Also I've seen a lot of the game content, and judging by that, it's gonna pwn any recent DM game, graphics wise anyway.

"Also I've seen a lot of the game content, and judging by that, it's gonna pwn any recent DM game, graphics wise anyway."

wat?

Yeah, models and that kind a stuff :)

pics or gtfo :/

You have to ask the PMX team for that

You would think if they had anything worth showing they would have done it at the time of recruitment as an incentive to get people on board and show they're serious.

Didn't they mention something like this about 2 years ago?

Quake 3 engine with bells and whistles on?

Given arqon's stand on mods that release eyecandy only for 2 years before disappearing I'd be suprised if they release any media before a playable version is out

Well, I've just seen screenshots of models on the main modelers portfolio, I don't know what the PMX team intend to show.

As they don't have any website or anything final to show off, I'm sure thats why they haven't released anything yet.

Do you mean runningman's website?

:>

That's not how we roll.

All content I've seen so far rapes the shit out of Q3 content. And that was already more than enough eyecandy for a game focusing on gameplay.

URL's?

I feel left out :(

it's all private :<

Much h8m8 <3

ägd

it's gonna pwn any recent DM game, graphics wise anyway.

Wow looking forward to see that !! :D

Looking forward to seeing that so I can picmip the hell out of it \o/

x)

ALWAYS BET ON ARQON & IX & ARQON & IX!

Solid Bet Mate!

i hope it will have more interactive maps and more gameplay mechanics besides control armors and shoot opponent

We're open to suggestions but when it comes down to making mechanics out of that it invariably seems to turn into gimmicks.

I think (knowing his love for stopwatch) he means he hopes to see some goal based gametypes added. And if he didn't, I do ;)

Assault, Domination, Tag, somekind of ball thing

red rover

If it works dont change it.

it doesn't work, but how can you tell? you're a fanboy for the most stale/boring quake variation out there

gtfo

Fair keen on this... DM needs something fresh and exciting!

this and sc2 will get me back into gaming :)

looking forward to it

hate vq3 manners in cpm! (o_-)

This is CPMAAAAAAAAAAAA fits better.

I'd gladly do in-game voices for a project like this. (Sounds familiar)

But only if I can replace the "You Lose" sound with Stephen Hawking saying, "You got served, bitch!"

but i want donkings SUM BITCH as a replacement for holy shit in flagmodes

That'd be awesome. Sekcrit club password incoming.

You also need Hellchick Mk.II, How about SyncError's wife? :D

Also my voice! Ask LuGia - it's awesome!

Wheat if you can do what he does, you're in!

BTW, wouldn't you like reconsidering the game name? PMX doesn't sound any exciting.

Works for BMX. What would you suggest?

I don't have any name to suggest, but I do sugest that having a proper name works better. Just imagine what a person is looking at a list of free games at some random website. I don't think PMX will sound any atractive to him. It does sound more like some technical experiment. Same goes for having to goggle it. It's, in short, obscure and hard to remember.

It's short and easy to remember. No single word will sum up what the game is about without sounding incredibly lame and corporate. The attraction will be in the gameplay and looks.

ok, ok. It's your call :)

THRILLHOUSE

call it Money Shot and i guarantee you people will download it!

Hahaha, class.

instead of "Holy Shit" the announcer should say "Money Shot"

:]

"two girls one *insert random object here*" would probably also work really well

I disagree, with a good logo, things will be easy, nice to say as well :D

Wormhole promode eXtreme

autofail

Oh yeah? Well, SO IS YOUR FACE

too easy... next

any news on how this is progressing?

So, when are we seeing something concrete? Also, I'll happily beta test this :D

Severity 2?

Anyone have an ETA on this game?

Nope, we're slowly working away at it.

Preview?

Any news on PMX? Now that GTR has been put on ice, I need something else to look forward to.

yah ddr was good too, maybe pmx be as good as llr but am not sure how handle it like ppc ok ?

is there a public pmx build or is this project dead ? :p

Dead.

:(

Damn it, why did you have to dig up this old turd? You got me excited for a second there :< such a f**** shame this project never made it.

It is a pity but I don't think there would have been enough of an FPS community left for it.

Look at the success of Warsow and recently Xonotic, free GPL games with promode-like movement, it could have been done, and it still can be done... it's not too late... i would even invest money into a project like PMX :D

you call that success? you should really try playing one of those games.

I don't have Xonotic installed but right now these are the only populated warsow servers:
- 3 iCA servers, all on bitbeta2 (some noobish q3 map)
- 2 Bomb servers, both using Promod (because no one likes vanilla wsw. Awful game balance)
- 2 igungame. Another Instagib mod.
- 1 Midair.
- 1 racesow. Again not basewsw.
- and 1 Instagib duel server.

As you can see literally no one plays vanilla wsw nor gametypes with items. Also I couldn't find a single populated duel server, which is sad.

Yeah, Warsows glory days are over, i also went there some months ago and found only a few populated duel and ca servers. But back in 2006/7 Warsow was pretty big, and it has been big for several years, i guess it didn't have the dedicated community like for example QuakeWorld. I say PMX had/has the potential to atleast achieve the same popularity as Warsow or even more, depending on advertising etc.

just had to. was hoping to get an answere like "dont be sad, we started working on pmx again and its going to be awesomeeeeeee!!!1!<3"

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what a bunch of necromancers in this thread :D

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This is some serious thread.

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