ESR - QUAKE LIVE Map Week 4 - Blood Run by ZTN

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Fatola - Reply to #1

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

<< Comment #7 @ 11:39 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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LukKe - Reply to #1

well said

<< Comment #2 @ 11:34 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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dronesoul

i take back all the nasty stuff i've said about you not getting this map into the game. :(

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<< Comment #3 @ 11:36 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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impulseBE

thanks a lot Sten and id for making this happen!!!

<< Comment #4 @ 11:36 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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SpOOnman

Great. [Edit: I mean really great and I feel great joy really, but...]

So excues like "mappers are missing in action", "we're not allowed to use maps due licence problems" and "mappers want money" being said by various id employees are no longer true. What else is no longer true Sync? :o

Edited by SpOOnman at 11:37 CDT, 8 June 2009

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dronesoul - Reply to #4

PO-PO-POKERFACE

<< Comment #8 @ 11:39 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #4

Those are real challenges to overcome, not excuses. We've been working with ztn for a long time to make this happen. It would have been impossible to make it so without constant communication with sten to work out an agreement and find the best to way to bring his map into QUAKE LIVE.

Enjoy the map. =)

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<< Comment #17 @ 11:47 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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juM8o - Reply to #8

when this is going to be released?

<< Comment #24 @ 11:53 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Jalle - Reply to #17

Wednesday duuh!

<< Comment #32 @ 11:56 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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SpOOnman - Reply to #8

It's business I know. But after this release two questions come into players head: who's next? Scancode of q3wcp9/18? Lukin of Q4 maps? aerowalk/remix authors? Now every rumor can be true.

And in wider range: maybe everything is around the corner but id just keeps it quiet for some reason? linux support, locks, referees. Why can't we see features from CPMA, they got arQon after all? Where's duel scoreboard, chat tokens, demo playback, MVD? There will always be a doubt :)

<< Comment #46 @ 12:17 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #32

Linux support, locks, 'refs' ARE most certainly just right around the corner. We've tried to let people know that, as it has been discussed in our dev blogs. Its just difficult cause things take time and we don't want to talk too much about them too early. But we hope to deliver soon on many of the things we've brought up as project goals.

Edited by SyncError at 12:19 CDT, 8 June 2009

<< Comment #346 @ 05:47 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #46

linux!!!! naow!!! :D

<< Comment #636 @ 09:58 CDT, 20 June 2009 >>

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cyronix ' - Reply to #46

I hope there will soon be a mac version

<< Comment #163 @ 15:22 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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rawgue - Reply to #32

Also, if i may, I would like to add the re-invention of the wheel in that list.

<< Comment #57 @ 12:26 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #8

challenges are a lot more pleasant than problems, aren't they? :D

<< Comment #5 @ 11:37 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Terifire

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Edited by Terifire at 11:38 CDT, 8 June 2009

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<< Comment #41 @ 12:11 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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exp! - Reply to #5

i lold

<< Comment #191 @ 16:27 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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gauss - Reply to #5

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ZTN MUTHA FUCKA

<< Comment #9 @ 11:41 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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zkyp

Ugh, need new maps that are good |:

<< Comment #11 @ 11:42 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #9

ZTN new? no.

Good? hell fucking yeah =)

<< Comment #18 @ 11:47 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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LukKe - Reply to #9

id rephrase it as "we need good new maps" - if there are none atm, lets have ztn..then, if some new map proves to be good lets add it (swap) to the mappool

<< Comment #469 @ 10:11 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #18

people will never want to put ztn away, this was a huge mistake by the QL team.. way to not bring out anything new in ql

<< Comment #10 @ 11:42 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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cockatiel

Hurraye!!!

<< Comment #12 @ 11:43 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Mogul

Thanks Sync for the news. My favorite map.

<< Comment #14 @ 11:46 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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loveless

YES
FUCK YES

<< Comment #15 @ 11:47 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Jamerio :

Bad move.

<< Comment #35 @ 12:02 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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mic - Reply to #15

y?

<< Comment #53 @ 12:23 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #35

Why?

Because old maps break ranking systems and discourage existing players from playing new maps because they suck on them in comparison to the old favs.

Secondly new players see big names (or players they want to aspire to skill wise) on these maps and when they try to play and realise that their opponent has about 10 years of map knowledge on them its going to be totally uninspiring for them to play because they will progress to the point where they get anywhere near to winning a game.

It will be total domination.

How do you design a ranking system which is supposed to make an accurate assessment of a player when it has significant knowledge of map which totally screw up his stats?

If you make it map based only then players will just stick to the same old crap. It'll encourage stalemate.

Map knowledge has a significant imapact of the definable parameters that the game uses to define your level of skill.

In short, its a bit like giving an exam to students when they've had years worth of access to the exact questions before.
Do you think their performacen on that test is going to be an accurate assessment of their transferable ability?

Seriously, even if a new player has more natural skill than the other, how do you realistically beat a player that knows these maps inside out and back to front?

It would just make me feel cheated if I was new player trying to get into quakelive.

You play one map (fairly new) and have a close game, then you play the same on ZTN vs his 800 hr practice cos he played quake 3, vs your 12 hours.

Its pointless. And while the same is true of fighting games, there are new characters which will create new matchups expereinces.

These games are broke because they all have the same ability, hence, there is a so much on map knowledge.

I have played ZTN loads over the years, I| could not touch quakelive in 12 months and still come on and beat the average quakelive player who is new to ZTN.

That's just stupid and uninspiring.

Until these games have different character abilites, most of the emphasis is on map knowledge and nothing else.

Edited by Jamerio at 12:27 CDT, 8 June 2009

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<< Comment #59 @ 12:27 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #53

All reasons that have been discussed many times and we're aware of, but ultimately get trumped by the fact that:

1.) the map is loved
2.) it is good (great layout, well built, proven over time)

In the end, you can discuss all the metagame mind theories you want, but its never bad to add a good map to the map pool.

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rax- - Reply to #59

OK.. So then why have you ruined the TDM DM6 and DM7????

They were both loved and good (great layout, well built, proven over time)

<< Comment #350 @ 05:48 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #88

ahem, dm7 good? give me a fucking break.

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riske_of_h8 - Reply to #350

possibly the worst 4on4 map ever.

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spyteman - Reply to #429

chances are slim that there's a worse one really :D

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #479

17? :D

<< Comment #238 @ 20:09 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #59

1) You're prepared to risk alienating a new breed of players to please the existing small % who would be playing anyway.

2) You ruin the ranking/stats system by throwing in old maps which have tangent like spikes in the ranking system. Therefore its quite useless in the true sense of a ranking/stats.

3) Afte a while, any new player to quakelive will realise that the most popular duel maps (as well as some of the old favs like TDM/CTF because they will follow the top tier players) are ones which top players have significant expereince on, thereby making them realise that unless they show considerably enhanced gaming skill (which is not really possible for most), they're not ever going to get anywhere near these players, even if, they have relatively close games on the other maps. They will be made to feel crap no matter how hard they try.

1= Dangerous Gamble
2= Take the stats with a pinch of sale.
3= Risk destroying the longterm motivation of your key audience to please a potentially much smaller one.

If you must do silly things like this, you should at least put these maps in a special tier, make new players realise that these maps are well played out.

Possibly even disable rankings on them and whatever else you can to make new players realise that the most popular old maps are not something to get upset about if their performace goes down the pan.

literally put a warning on them, that way you'll at least please the old players and at least make new players hyper aware of the situation.

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #238

Sometimes you dont do things with pure logic, its called intuition. A very powerful skill if you ask me. You can give all the experiencied game developer opinion you want, its done. Lets move on, nothing to see here other than loads of joy ^^ The joy of running full of blood.

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dem0n - Reply to #238

If a 'new blood' were to play a 'old blood' and that new blood is supposedly better, he should win in the end whatever the map it is, as long as they have had quite a few hours of practice on the map...

It's not really an exponential function.

The more you play the more you become good on it that is true, but the function of this would be logarithmic really :D (if not asymptotic)

Well you got me. I think you're making a big deal out of something of small (or no) importance, compared to the joy most of the quakers will feel when playing one of quake's alltime favorite duel map.

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sansai - Reply to #326

That is only true because they can't make good maps.
ztn is only needed because most other maps are plain shit really.

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c1 - Reply to #59

add dust 2

1.) the map is loved
2.) it is good (great layout, well built, proven over time)

its never bad to add a good map to the map pool

dust was built even for other games than cs.

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becks - Reply to #328

don't kid yourself. the layout sucks for duel.

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c1 - Reply to #348

no its played in 1v1 too and it works fine

and keep SyncError's words in mind:

its never bad to add a good map to the map pool

Edited by c1 at 06:07 CDT, 9 June 2009

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becks - Reply to #357

let me clarify:

quake duel.

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EmSixTeen - Reply to #357

That's not even fucking witty.

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linoleuM - Reply to #328

Ehh that's actually a good exemple! A new CS without dust2 would be catastrophic!

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guts - Reply to #53

even with new maps new players will feel dominated because, "they have been playing for 10 years" Id rather play ztn UNTIL new maps have come out to replace it.

there are countless demos of ztn, or any other old map for that matter, so learning it wouldnt take that long.

the whole argument about having old maps is bullshit.

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Jamerio : - Reply to #61

No its not.

I have played certain quake 3 players who have played some of the old favs for years and I have played them on the new maps and its quite clear that despite being reasonably closely matched (in the truest sense) their map expereince is making huge differences.

Map experience is a huge advantage.

You can predict player movement/positioning better, you can hit shots based on revised sniping angles, and a lot more, stuff that does take a long time to learn and can have major impacts on the outcomes of the game.

When you play a map like ZTN, for some people the map is so played out they know every situation.
It can take a fresh player 1000's of games to get to that level.

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Vo0 - Reply to #239

People underestimate the importance of map knowledge.

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Jamerio : - Reply to #240

Yes and some also lie because their ego hangs on how well they perform on a map they feel comfy in.

If you were a new player to ZTN you would still be a significantly better player on that map after the 1000 game compared to the 500th game.

This isn't tic tac toe where the maximum gameplan can be absorbed in a 200 or so duels like some would want some people to believe.

Must be sad for some people to be that corrupt about their gaming ability or that cluess and robotic about their play that they don't even know why thye do well anymore.

Time Fraggers.

Edited by Jamerio at 20:54 CDT, 8 June 2009

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ini - Reply to #246

Who cares if the reason why you are better is time spent playing?

It's the weakest and most pathetic reason to be anti-old maps. Knowledge and experience is just as much a skill as reflexes and map knowledge is quickly caught up as the barrier for entry starts at the most advanced (You don't need to learn everything from the past 10 years) stage.

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Vo0 - Reply to #251

hub3aeroq3 and nodm9 were my best Q3 maps, probably because they weren't overplayed as much. Maybe I chose them because I wasn't as outdated as them as I was on ztn or dm6.
I'd love to see any new cpm player play me on cpm3.

Map knowledge isn't everything, but it certainly plays a very very big part in one's skillset.

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c1 - Reply to #252

I absolutly agree. Which means you will have a hard time

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dem0n - Reply to #252

well learning to move on a cpm-designed map (on cpm physics) is by miles different from learning to move on a vq3-designed map (on vq3 physics)

don't compare whats not comparable :/

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #327

its not about the moving, but things like knowing what kind of shots are possible, effective dodging patterns, crosshair positioning etc...

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dem0n - Reply to #343

yes, but cpm is like twice as fast and 3 times as hard to master as the basic vq3 moves/combinations afaik

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Terifire - Reply to #377

People could stop saying it's fast.

That you move faster also means that you can run faster, games can still be really slow.

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ini - Reply to #252

You were pretty good at dm6/ztn tbh.

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Vo0 - Reply to #340

I was decent at ztn (beat czm/nike lost to jibo ot). but really bad at dm6 (got raped by every top player)

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ini - Reply to #449

Well, I never watch dm6 games so I kinda assumed that :P

But I mean, you caught up some players and were catching up on ztn despite being a lot less experienced. Sure it still takes time, but that's good!

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Vo0 - Reply to #451

I guess I'm not your regular gamer.

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ini - Reply to #453

Regular gamers just play to have fun, they won't get matched againsr people who are far better at a map after a while :)

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guts - Reply to #239

you are wrong and so is voo. there are new players over here that are destroying old vetern players that, according to you theory, should be winning because they have map knowledge.

sure map knowledge does help, but it is not the deciding factor.

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Vo0 - Reply to #423

I'm right. No one in the world can convince me otherwise. Sorry that it sounds Jamerio-ish, but we are right, really. Up to a certain point map knowledge can be an extreme advantage. Now it's not gonna matter if you match a cooller versus a jibo.
Remember zero4 versus fox on eswc 2004. Fox was sweden's hub player, zero4 hardly knew the map. Zero4 was better than fox on paper, but managed to just lose the map.
When a new pk map was just introduced, I didn't care to play it that much because I was arrogant. I got my ass handed to me in a tournament by this relative new player Ztrider. I then raped him on sacred (which I had player a lot more than he did) and then we had a close game on psycho.
Give me a new map for quake3, and give me 10 hours on it and give any other player 10 hours on it, the result is going to be a lot closer than if you put us against each other on dm6.
Everyone knows every single situation. Why? Because they have played the same scenario over and over again. They know all the best positions to fight from, they know the key rail shots, they know the sounds positioning, they know the spawnpoints, they know every possible routes, it just gives so much more advantage to a player who hasn't completely overplayed the map. Shit I have sooooo many hours on cpm3 it's unreal, I know every single situation and I can dream that map and run it backwards. There is hardly anything more to learn and it's completely played out.
Believe me or not, I think map knowledge is a very big part in people's success. Hold an eswc with all new maps and believe me you are going to see many eager, new people qualifying for the tournament.

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<< Comment #456 @ 09:38 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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SpOOnman - Reply to #450

100% agreed. Even I have a chance playing vs you on House of Decay (t9). No sarcasm here it's just new map for all of us.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #450

What are you arguing about? Of course its a huge advantage if you know the map. It's like knowing how to tie your shoe laces or counting money. You're talking about basic knowledge. The thing is, once you get down the spawn runs, aiming positions and all the things you've listed, what you have is the layout of chessboard, the next step is to get to actual game play, strategy.

Edited by Demiurge at 09:40 CDT, 9 June 2009

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Vo0 - Reply to #458

I'm just rambling.
Bring five complete new maps to the game where no one has any real advantage on, and believe me, you are going to see a whole new school of players on top of the game. And not because the elite (current top) is too bored (lazy) to practice new maps. It's because they are so good because the map makes them so good.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #460

What fundamental quality of the game has not been brought up in all the maps that has been played over the years? Either you just want to shuffle the cards or you're saying there is gameplay scenarios that have not came up through out the range of all the maps from ztn to t4. In the later case I think you're totally wrong. There is only so much you can do with a dual map and Q3 attributes, and it's all been done. The only thing left is to mix things up so that people learn new map geometry, the strategic gameplay will stay the same. I am actually all for that, hurray for new tactical positioning and learning new routes. The only problem is that I don't think anyone has come up with anything better than ztn, yet.

Edited by Demiurge at 09:49 CDT, 9 June 2009

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Vo0 - Reply to #462

I'm saying all gameplay scenario's have pretty much come up for the experienced player, but not for the newer player. This is where routine comes in. After a while everything becomes a simple routine where you're not even thinking (consciously) anymore. I can play the most brainless games on any cpm map and still beat any inexperienced player. It's because I will better positioning and routes and shot setups, or map knowledge in general.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #464

"After a while everything becomes a simple routine where you're not even thinking (consciously) anymore."

That's definitely not true. When Cooller plays Jibo on ztn, they're not 'not thinking'. They are thinking very hard, and you can see the mistakes sometimes, 5 moves down the road. And this is why it's awesome.

"I can play the most brainless games on any cpm map and still beat any inexperienced player. It's because I will better positioning and routes and shot setups, or map knowledge in general"

Wow wow wow, hold your horses. No, it's because CPM is a stupid tactical game. I thought we were talking about a gameplay with strategy and not mindless airwanking.

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Vo0 - Reply to #466

I could do the same thing in VQ3 against lesser players. Mindlessly playing the map and not the player. Top vs top player, they don't work from routine because they can't. Top vs average joe is going to be all routine.
My argument is about how much map knowledge matters, it's safe to say players like jibo and cooller have pretty much the exact same map knowledge.
Anyway, this is going nowhere, I firmly believe that map knowledge is key in one's success.
Prove me wrong, create five new maps and hold a big tournament and see what happens. Unfortunately this won't happen :(

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #468

No, you are correct. Map knowledge matters a lot. However, 'how much matters' is a very badly worded argument. You have to abstract things out more. It matters because it's a key building block. Thus it matters in the same level where being able to aim well with all weapons does, being able to time does, etcetera. It's a key building block out of which you build the whole, and without it things will fall apart. However, once you get the hang of it, that block doesn't matter any further. And that's key. The point about CPM, is that there is little built on top of that as opposed to VQ3. When players are similar but one is much better with one of the BASIC SKILLS, that player has a huge advantage. However, once you have the basics down in VQ3 there is a lot of you can improve on strategy wise, which is what Cooller vs Jibo are showing. Anyway, looking forward to five new maps as well.

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Nukm - Reply to #468

Top vs top player, they don't work from routine because they can't. Top vs average joe is going to be all routine.

so whats the problem then? average joe deosnt have to paly top palyers and if some wants to succeed in ql, then he has to train anyway. and if he has the skill and some experience in any fast fps gerne he can also learn the maps fast by
10 watching demos
20 playing a bit
30 thinking about his play
goto 10
doing this for just the 5 maps played shouldnt take ages

<< Comment #539 @ 15:53 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #525

nah you got it all wrong, old maps are just unfair!!!! >:(

/slit

really, newbies need to get some harden-the-fuck-up salve, and quakelive needs new good maps.

<< Comment #483 @ 11:58 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #450

Cant agree more! Thats what I try to say all the time!!! (+)

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shqdow - Reply to #450

i agree whole-heartedly

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ZeriouS - Reply to #450

+1 . Great statement.

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Jamerio : - Reply to #423

Sorry, but you're gonna need to define it a lot better than that.
Who are these vet players who are getting whopped by all this fresh blood.

I suspect somewhere there are some massive holes in your claim.

Either by your overplaced worth in the vets or the expereince of "newbies".

<< Comment #282 @ 03:00 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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c1 - Reply to #61

no I dominate on t6/t7 but I got raped on ztn/dm6 by every noob

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Terifire - Reply to #282

Lemme guess, you like teh rail?:p

<< Comment #363 @ 06:10 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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c1 - Reply to #288

yes I do but mapknowledge > rail :(

<< Comment #84 @ 13:01 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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mic - Reply to #53

dunno much about ql, but isn't there a matchmaking system?

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nemecel - Reply to #53

You are a fag, and wrong.

<< Comment #117 @ 13:41 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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ZeriouS - Reply to #53

You are so right. Currently QuakeLive is gaining attraction from a lot of new players, coming from other gaming communities. It's interesting for them to compete in this game, especially since it's now a little bit more friendlier for starters. A lot of persons decided not to start before QL, before the domination of Quake3 players on their known maps was just too much for them.

I personally have nothing against this step, since it shows us newbies a proper designed and playable map.

Many starters will have a hard time against the experienced players and skill balancing will be even harder now I believe.

I hope that really new and fresh maps are coming out soon. I do not think that the creativity is already gone. Not besides the developers to build the maps, and also not from us old and new players, who want to have a new challenge.

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Eviili - Reply to #53

thank you for your scientific post...since 99% of it is total stupidity i just imagine where it leads and didnt even bother to finish reading it.

noob WILL get raped by a pro player NO MATTER WHAT NEW MAP U MAKE!!!He will get outaimed,outsmarted and outcontrolled even if they both play the same map for the first time.Noob does not know how to time he has no system, he does not know the weapon balance and in overall just CANT COMPETE WITH PLAYERS OF GREATER SKILL.The stuff ure saying like "make new maps so new players will be able to compete!!".NO they wont be able you are in dellusion!

Thats why they made a matchmaking system right!?
To prevent new players from facing the highskilled ones.And the high skilled ones they either know the map or they learn it in a matter of days.I dont know if air-r4p3 played q3 before or not I just see he is known in ql...anyways if he didnt he is a good example that players at high skill can learn fast cause they know the movement,weapons and they have aim (he did good in EMS afterall even if he didnt make it through groupstage).New players will just learn the map beetwen eachother until they master it enough to face the skilled ones.There will always be skill divisions in competition and the skill gap...NOT EVERYONE can come to top only the dedicated ones can and ztn as a map does not affect that in any way.After all 90% of highskill players know this map its fucking ancient those new ones that dont...well they found themselfs first time with quake in quakelive!

Edited by Eviili at 04:14 CDT, 9 June 2009

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c1 - Reply to #311

thats bs.

I come from q4 so I know timing and so on but when it comes to mapknowledge...

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Eviili - Reply to #367

then you know i came from q4 aswell and i do pretty good in q3 its not bs...

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c1 - Reply to #393

I dont know you from q4 and I have to say I know almost every european dueller because there arent much :/

how many games did you won on dm6 versus decent players?

your stats show you didnt play much at all. so maybe you are playing on a fake account...

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Eviili - Reply to #399

http://www.quake.cz/NationsCup/quake4/screens...i-Edge.jpg

im pretty sure u know putka,yuka/owner.si and para right?

Im not playing very much quake right now and im far from a good dueller i just come to sneek-a-peek for some news at ql and sometimes i do a fast q3 duel thats all...Im just trying to say that i can play with the top players from my area (balcan) like makie,lethe,zeroql etc. eventho i never ever played in osp.I came from aq2 to q4 and then when that died to q3.Right now i can say i play q3 a bit more than 1 year those ppl that i named did it from 99

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CAREEM - Reply to #424

Good lies, you are playing Q3 for a really long time with period stops. I remember 3years ago when I saw you playing Q3. How come you play Q3 1year, erm since 08? =]

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Eviili - Reply to #490

ur retardedness has no limits...maybe u could ask xgo that won slo eswc on which u like to spit so much on #quake.si or rexOr and slajer when they both explained already when i really started with q3.
But I guess ur ignorance will prevail in the end...

look careem i will tell you like this

you can continue ignoring the rest of us and cry some more with "mommy remove ZTN!!!" in knowing that this wont happen and keep ur negative perspective to the map and suck on it to the rest of ur life.Or u can start learning it and see for urself why we love it and appreciate the effort some ppl put into this so they could bring the ztn to ql!!!

Edited by Eviili at 13:50 CDT, 9 June 2009

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CAREEM - Reply to #512

Hm you dick head, I have never said that I dislike ztn. I really like ztn. At the tournaments was pure fun to watch. But I have already made 1000 of comments why not to include ZTN.

What does this #irc.channel have to with all this and the people?

Edited by CAREEM at 14:21 CDT, 9 June 2009

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Jamerio : - Reply to #311

Who was talking about professional players because I'm not. I'm talking about average to above average quake 3 players for the most part.

I didn't read more of your post after that as I got the feeling if you failed on such an epic level then the rest of your content was not going to be any better.

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CAREEM - Reply to #459

yeah, agreed

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CAREEM - Reply to #311

Oh dear good. We are not talking about noobs against a pro. We are talking about the players which both have played for a long time "~10years of experience in FPS gaming" (UT, QW,Q2,Q3). UT player who have played 10years wont stand a chance against a Q3 player who have played Q3 4years for an example. But at new map there will be a bit different situation. However, I gave my example already also vo0 did. Scroll up and read. And please stop post such non sens comments.

Edited by CAREEM at 12:06 CDT, 9 June 2009

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griffin`

why does it take 1 week to release old maps?

new maps... come on..

<< Comment #19 @ 11:48 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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juM8o - Reply to #16

they have only one mapper and he is busy with all those maps, he got like 10 projects going or something..

but i agree, they should really fasten the releasing process

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zealot - Reply to #19

stfu

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oreozz - Reply to #19

all but one map so far is actually new?!

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met - Reply to #257

who cares about the age as long it's good. i'm always looking forward to new maps but let's face it, new duel maps in ql are really bad.

not to mention dm6 has always been ridiculous on duel and dm13 is a weird version of nodm9 (although it's playable and balanced anyway).

this is just fresh air for ql.

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met - Reply to #268

didn't meant to reply to that .______.

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xou

Don't forget to tick the proper category next time :)

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SyncError - Reply to #20

Thanks for the fix ups xou, but you all really need a better official QL logo inline. ;)

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xou - Reply to #22

I'd be happy to submit it if you guys wanna provide a decent one :)
180x120 ofc!

Edited by xou at 11:53 CDT, 8 June 2009

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Jalle

Orgasm!

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judge717

Cool for all the q3 players.

Although now I'm in the "fuck q3, fuck qlive, fuck ID" mode and won't play their shitty game anymore.

Mixed blessing though, I'm switching hobbies to mopeds. :)

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mic - Reply to #23

u can't strafejump with mopeds tho

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nekon - Reply to #37

are you sure?

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mic - Reply to #69

ye, no clipping either
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQWO1p9F1BQ

Edited by mic at 13:04 CDT, 8 June 2009

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erok - Reply to #90

wow that dude got raped

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judge717 - Reply to #90

that's clearly a moped-scooter.

I'm talking about MOPEDs
http://www.mopedarmy.com/photos/brand/2/9708/

sucks that guy ran that red-light and nailed the scooterist though.

Edited by judge- at 23:55 CDT, 8 June 2009

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Kaloos

Finally! Nice ! :D

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GUArd

lol not again :(
in other side, one more big PLUS to stay with Q3 !

<< Comment #58 @ 12:26 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #27

It wasn't possible to play new maps in ql anyway (cuz of DM6 and DM13), so why not add ZTN?

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GUArd - Reply to #58

dm13 is remaked! remake ztn , remake dm6 , it will be ok!
but same shit maps... f*ck we have q3 for 10 years!

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sch. - Reply to #89

but style of playing will be different

something like back to the oldsql :P

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GUArd - Reply to #306

i see +back rocket power :(

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Lethe - Reply to #89

dm13 remake is terrible. dm6 is the same as before = onesided. if they change anything on ztn, it will be a huge risk to the complex map balance.

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baron Railgun :

time to bring qlive to a new +back level

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Xsi

\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/

<< Comment #30 @ 11:56 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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stafu

Does this mean we might soon see aerowalk as well? : )

<< Comment #31 @ 11:56 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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wocK_

omfg

YAAAAAAAAS

<< Comment #33 @ 11:59 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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thelawenforcer '

lol, and now the only played duel maps will be dm6 and ztn... bad move really... i can see this discouraging alot of noobies...

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13m3 - Reply to #33

only if the matchmaking system keeps NOT working...

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kRoNic- - Reply to #33

noobies are gonna get "owned" by the the old school players regardless of the map.

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efassd - Reply to #45

So let's make it even harder for them to catch up!

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oreozz - Reply to #161

how is it going to take any longer? I started in 08 on maps people played for years and there's now there's just a couple handful of players that can beat me in the area. If you want to get good you'll play under any circumstance to get better. Someone experienced can just wing the map and win easily against someone new in a game like this anyways.

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TUMULT

HOLY SHIT

<< Comment #36 @ 12:02 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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kex

FUCKING YES FINALLY

<< Comment #38 @ 12:05 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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predr

<3

<< Comment #39 @ 12:06 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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exp!

AWESOME.

thanks sync

<< Comment #40 @ 12:08 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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calleking

Woo, great news :)

When can we expect the map to be available?

<< Comment #43 @ 12:13 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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toifel

I just came in my pants. twice.

awesome news \o/

<< Comment #44 @ 12:14 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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kex

OMG IM SPRAYING CUM EVERYWHERE

<< Comment #47 @ 12:18 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Nukm

sync you [+]-whore ;)

<< Comment #48 @ 12:19 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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kK_Storm

This gonna be the most plussed major news on ESR.

<< Comment #49 @ 12:20 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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bl4ze

cooller will play more QL after this map released...

<< Comment #51 @ 12:22 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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guts - Reply to #49

who?

<< Comment #64 @ 12:31 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #51

[-]

Edited by son1dow at 12:31 CDT, 8 June 2009

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InDepther - Reply to #51

1st time you visit earth?

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Lethe

this is nice, till someone actually *manages* to make a NEW map that is GOOD.

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_Rapid_

at last some intelligence!!!!!

Edited by _Rapid_ at 12:23 CDT, 8 June 2009

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link1n

as long as it's not fucked up like t4, tdm dm6 tdm dm7, ye why not

btw isnt it suppose to be a NEW game? :/

q3 > ql

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_Rapid_ - Reply to #54

it's not a new game, it's q3 with a web interface based.

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Lethe - Reply to #56

not

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_Rapid_ - Reply to #62

seems like saying that if you paint your car to another colour it will be a different car... i think qlive is q3 with some minor changes in weapon damage and new interface, it's like a new point release of q3, that's all.

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c1 - Reply to #133

and lots of new bugs ;)

<< Comment #355 @ 06:03 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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_Rapid_ - Reply to #286

true! :D

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mic - Reply to #133

rather like an OLD point release..

<< Comment #55 @ 12:25 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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voodoochopstiks

DID THIS GET ANY METHOD MAGIC?? I really hope it got some graphical updates :D

Really nice news anyway, can't wait to play 2v2 on it!

<< Comment #60 @ 12:28 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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f0cus

AWESOME!!!!

Because this means I can take nemecel off of ignore.

<< Comment #63 @ 12:30 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #60

you too have nemecel on ignore?

<< Comment #66 @ 12:32 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #63

Well, until about 5 minutes ago, yeah.

<< Comment #108 @ 13:35 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #63

You are a fag.

<< Comment #68 @ 12:36 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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DOLLAPMAH

ohhh yes yes yes oooh yes

<< Comment #72 @ 12:47 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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bl4ze - Reply to #68

ooowhh yeaahh~ oooohh yeah~ urghhhh~

<< Comment #65 @ 12:31 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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hejduk

...

<< Comment #67 @ 12:33 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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led

I think this sums up the Quake mentality pretty well.

<< Comment #144 @ 14:36 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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fragmaster_ - Reply to #67

back to basics?
nothing wrong with that in regards to quake.

<< Comment #168 @ 15:35 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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led - Reply to #144

What's wrong with adding NEW maps?

<< Comment #176 @ 15:50 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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fragmaster_ - Reply to #168

nothing. if they're good maps.

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spyteman - Reply to #176

and enforced by id software/eswc.

<< Comment #86 @ 13:01 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Anonymous (093105079177.legnica.vectranet.pl)

YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS :D

<< Comment #70 @ 12:41 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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son1dow

Looks like I'm going to fail my exams now :(

<< Comment #71 @ 12:42 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #70

It's gonna be hell a lot of fun tho!

<< Comment #80 @ 12:54 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #71

Just show the teacher how your improved stats !

<< Comment #101 @ 13:25 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #80

I don't think anybody will care :(

<< Comment #73 @ 12:48 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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d00med

hub next thanks

15%

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son1dow - Reply to #73

this

<< Comment #75 @ 12:50 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #73

What does this mean? Does hub stand for something?

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #75

hub3aeroq3, aerowalk :D

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #76

unless they mean hub3tourney1, but probably not. That level is great too though :D

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dubcat - Reply to #77

I always loved playing hub3tourney1, good fun map. unfortunatly I've never known any players at my skill level who liked it aswell :/

<< Comment #78 @ 12:52 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #76

Quit speaking Latin, say something that I can understand!

<< Comment #82 @ 12:55 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #78

http://www.lvlworld.com/review.php?id=836

<< Comment #85 @ 13:01 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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exp! - Reply to #82

<sarcasm> is anybody in there? </sarcasm>

<< Comment #119 @ 13:46 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #85

You think he was being sarcastic? I gave the thought a spin, but I haven't seen him be sarcastic or ironic before, and I doubt community representatives are that very often, it wouldn't be good for the community representation :D.

[edit: although #78 gives me some big doubts :D]

Edited by voodoochopstiks at 13:47 CDT, 8 June 2009

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SyncError - Reply to #119

<3

<< Comment #92 @ 13:04 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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valvalis - Reply to #78

thats the guy that makes ql... wp!

<< Comment #152 @ 14:44 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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juvenile delinquency - Reply to #78

01101000011101010110001000110011011000010110010101110010011011110111000100110011

<< Comment #97 @ 13:16 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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d00med - Reply to #75

I'm totally taking this as a sarcastic hint that it is possibly coming. :P

<< Comment #99 @ 13:17 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #75

Aerowalk by Mattias Konradsson, aka Preacher, for Q1 (which was added to Q3 by Hubster), it is generally considered one of the best duelling maps both for Q1 and Q3.

Mattias is a very friendly guy, if you contact him I'm sure you can work something out (he didn't mind Hubster adding his map to Q3, so likely he won't object to it added to QL).

<< Comment #111 @ 13:36 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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impulseBE - Reply to #99

/facepalm

<< Comment #120 @ 13:46 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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.syL - Reply to #99

/facefist (yours)

Edited by .syL at 13:47 CDT, 8 June 2009

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #99

/faceNo.It's not.It's utter shit.Just a tad better than test_box.

Edited by Demiurge at 14:32 CDT, 8 June 2009

<< Comment #98 @ 13:16 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #73

PLEASE GOD NO
THIS MAP RUINED Q3

23%

<< Comment #184 @ 16:07 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Larvi - Reply to #98

Preach the word

<< Comment #197 @ 16:57 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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mefajpE^ - Reply to #98

ROTFL.

Hub best map ever. I'm serious.

<< Comment #289 @ 03:23 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #197

dust2 is the best map ever.

<< Comment #341 @ 05:29 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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nthexwn - Reply to #289

ISWYDT

<< Comment #79 @ 12:53 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Adel

I would rather have new maps, but atleast i can play something else than Dm6 :)

thx id & sten

Edited by HellKey at 12:54 CDT, 8 June 2009

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fur*q

How much did it cost?

<< Comment #83 @ 12:56 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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SenT!neL

I came.

<< Comment #87 @ 13:02 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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exp!

dj wheat reaction when he's going to read this news: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1485686/highlight/1705

<< Comment #116 @ 13:41 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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lonewulf - Reply to #87

Reply to #87

HAHA classic

Edited by Paladia at 14:17 CDT, 8 June 2009

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #87

:DDD

<< Comment #185 @ 16:13 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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EmSixTeen - Reply to #87

haha that's fucking brilliant, I must have missed that live :(

<< Comment #91 @ 13:04 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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T-B0N3

<3

<< Comment #93 @ 13:06 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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dddddddddddddddddddddd

Question that should of been asked:

Any changes made, other than adding billboards?

<< Comment #95 @ 13:13 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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oneroomdisco

HOLY FUCK I LOVE BEING QUAKE

<< Comment #552 @ 18:43 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Liam - Reply to #95

I am quake (and so can you!)

<< Comment #96 @ 13:14 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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PURRI

Very very very sad day for QL (IMHO) :(

<< Comment #104 @ 13:29 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #96

>>Very very sad day for Q2 player named PURRI

Fixed

<< Comment #167 @ 15:29 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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PURRI - Reply to #104

(IMHO) is just my own opinion, which is not based on previous games. I just wished we all could have a clean fresh start with this otherwise very good game, thats all.

I know ztn very well. Im just looking for something new.

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fooKi - Reply to #96

Agreed. I feel the pain of the qlive players who didnt play q3.

Edited by fooKi at 13:37 CDT, 8 June 2009

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LukKe - Reply to #112

theyre fooked over on dm6 anyway, arent they?

<< Comment #222 @ 18:51 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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erok - Reply to #130

come one, the skill level required to be good at dm6 is no where no what ztn requires...

<< Comment #208 @ 17:43 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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hoens - Reply to #112

Fucking [+] whore. You just suck.

<< Comment #129 @ 14:17 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #96

Agreed. Pretty lame to put another Q3 bullshit in QL.

<< Comment #135 @ 14:24 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #129

word. fuck quake in quake live.

<< Comment #241 @ 20:26 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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DaHanG - Reply to #96

Agreed....:<

<< Comment #100 @ 13:18 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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jal

Q3 comunity get what they want. Many people will be happy. I have my doubts if this is a good thing for the game, tho.

<< Comment #103 @ 13:29 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Ryan2015

Meh more like Quake Living in the Past

From 4 thusfar 1 actually NEW map

Now add hub and we can ditch this game and play Q3

Edited by Sun Tzu at 13:29 CDT, 8 June 2009

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nemecel - Reply to #103

Its not our fault that new maps fail to deliver.

<< Comment #106 @ 13:33 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Ryan2015 - Reply to #105

Siberia is a good map tho

And NEW maps often fail because of faggots like you who are scared for losing an edge or anything new for that mather

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<< Comment #109 @ 13:36 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Nzr0 ' - Reply to #106

So true. The old "I don't wanna play it because I haven't played it" argument.

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nemecel - Reply to #109

No, its the "I played it, the map sucked" argument.

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apoxic - Reply to #114

"I played it, I sucked"

Fix'd.

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nemecel - Reply to #244

Not really.

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #109

indeed, or they do try it and end up getting fragged in new ways and just end up saying 'OMG BS MAP /quit"

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led - Reply to #106

Excellent.

nemecel just got molested.

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nemecel - Reply to #106

Not really, i couldn't care less, the maps are just boring.

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Ryan2015 - Reply to #113

Nice way out ey

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nemecel - Reply to #118

Its called taste, and apparently I have an exquisite one.

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retire - Reply to #106

siberia is good? ROFL

<< Comment #187 @ 16:17 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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QuiXilver - Reply to #126

it's the only decent ctf map out atm, together with ironworks and maybe ctf2

<< Comment #107 @ 13:35 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Magician

I have never seen more boring duels as the ones played on ztn.

But good job on making all the whiners happy I suppose, god forbid they actually have to learn anything new.

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nemecel - Reply to #107

You've seen the wrong ones then.

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tifu - Reply to #107

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juvenile delinquency - Reply to #146

never seen
loln1

<< Comment #310 @ 04:10 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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reyu - Reply to #146

I remember the spam after the 2hp kill on gtv, that shit was epic

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Carsomyr - Reply to #146

Graphics customization -- do not want.

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tifu - Reply to #334

lol yeah, it looks like megahealths everywhere

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #146

this is the perfect vid to show off ztn.....

7 mins of game, 20 secs of enemy on the screen...

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tifu - Reply to #349

in that 7mins you could see avek being in total control, hunting jibo, who was hiding smartly, and then suddenly BAM! he's back in action. and that deciding fight was fucking intensive. this video shows more chess-like side of q3, wich imho also should be appreciated

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #358

might be interesting for old school q3ers, but wasnt QL marketed as a fast paced action packed shooter?

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tifu - Reply to #389

people with iq higher than brick's should look beyond marketing slogans :P

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #422

what i meant was that isnt quake meant to be fast and action packed. 7 mins of playing and only a few seconds of fighting doesnt seem like that tbh...

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tifu - Reply to #447

is it a bad thing that quake sometimes is about speed and relexes, other about tactics and positioning, and sometimes even about all those things?

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #476

420 seconds of armour taking and mega controlling to 20 seconds of fighting seems a bit extreme imo...

Edited by thelawenforcer at 16:38 CDT, 9 June 2009

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donka ' - Reply to #546

if i remember correctly, Jibo recovered from about 10hp to 200/200 only to lose one last LG fight. That was epic, in a ztn'ish wicked way

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #555

and people wonder why Q3 failed as a spectator sport... theres your answer...

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donka ' - Reply to #557

Actually, it was a very thrilling moment, the whole GTV went bananas

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #566

perhaps to quakers, but can u understand why this kind of thing is of no appeal to non quakers?

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Lethe - Reply to #572

fuck the non quakers

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donka ' - Reply to #572

a.football/soccer/baseball/golf are excruciating to watch for me, yet half of the world seems to enjoy those somehow. I find no spectacular value in those, but when I see quake I'm, for the most part, truly fascinated with the action.

I know your 420 bleh blah example works against my point, but this is one extreme case when the game went into its sweet depth that only knowledgeable fans can enjoy. For the rest 95%, quake is a fast paced, stable flow, and visually impressive spectacle. Well, maybe not for you, but when i first saw it, I was amazed.

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Aaron - Reply to #572

worst logic ever

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #630

its just my opinion that FPS games have yet to find a style of play that can be really attractive to a wide variety of gamers.

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ini - Reply to #631

MP DM games ? or?

FPS games seem to be the most popular computer game genre to me.

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #632

oh. what i meant was to spec not really to play...

for me it has to be simple, easy to follow and to get an overview of the action, be non repetitive etc.

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ini - Reply to #633

Agree with that.

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Liam - Reply to #358

Yeah true, those 7 minutes were quite similar to a turn based strategy game that is usually played over the course of several hours.

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tifu - Reply to #553

why so literal? :(

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Liam - Reply to #556

(the word "strategy" works just as well)

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Lethe - Reply to #349

this is the perfect vid to show off ztn.....

7 mins of game, 20 secs of enemy on the screen...

the map must look boring when you don't understand why was it like that.

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Eviili - Reply to #146

whats the command to make those weapons look like that invisible/blurry?

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tifu - Reply to #623

i don't think there's command to do it, it's rather some custom pak

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Lethe - Reply to #107

I have never seen more boring duels as the ones played on ztn.

BLASPHEMY

<< Comment #121 @ 13:48 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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rax-

Will be interesting to see how this map works with the current spawn system at least..

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draven-

Now we can remove T6 ? yeah baby :)

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Nukm - Reply to #122

hope so, too :)
make sure to vote here http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1703607

<< Comment #124 @ 13:55 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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SyncError

The addition of Blood Run by no means should be taken as a sign that new maps aren't coming or that QUAKE LIVE will remain limited to an old map pool. Whether 'Blood Run' is an old favorite or a new experience, we hope you enjoy this map. New players will learn these classics. It is important to preserve some of these arenas for newcomers to experience them as we have. These legacy arenas become part of our Quake heritage, something that should not be forgotten or locked away in nostalgic box.

Concerning new maps, there have already been several new maps released in less than one years time during our beta period: Furious Heights, Ironworks, Asylum, Trinity, Sibieria

We hope you play the new maps that have already been added, keep playing the old favorites, and look forward to additional new arenas to be released.

Edited by SyncError at 14:02 CDT, 8 June 2009

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<< Comment #131 @ 14:22 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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dubcat - Reply to #124

can you please ask your map designers to make some gothic styled maps in the future? I miss the old dark gothic style of the original quake.

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Carsomyr - Reply to #131

There are two reasons I can think of as to why they've made some industrial maps instead: 1. The old "gothic" maps had bloody and "satanic" (hate to say that word) elements in them, which goes against the E-for-everyone thing they're aiming for now. 2. The gothic stuff is very much a 90s "cool" which now is very passé.

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donka ' - Reply to #131

Fuck dark gothic.

One more dark brown map and I'm gonna vomit IN GAME.
Just take a look at some of the modern defrag maps, it's amazing what creative minds can turn quake into.

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CAREEM - Reply to #124

Sync this is BS. You should make the game more balanced. You know what I mean? Q3 players have too big advantage in this game, and now you are keep adding Q3 stuff in this game.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #132

Yeah. Lets not add all the good things from Q3 for the sake of those those who have no experience. Lets also not add team locking, not fix weapon balance, add some Counter-Strike boxes and vehicles from Halo so idiots like you feel right at home..... NO. GO AWAY.

Edited by Demiurge at 14:41 CDT, 8 June 2009

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CAREEM - Reply to #145

U mean, lets make Quake3 Live?

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #147

What the fuck do you think Quake Live is? A brand new game?

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led - Reply to #145

Lets also not add team locking, not fix weapon balance, add some Counter-Strike boxes and vehicles from Halo so idiots like you feel right at home.....

uhh.. what a fucking idiot you are.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #172

No, you're the fucking idiot. ZTN is a good map, regardless of whether its new or old. Not including a good map because fucking idiots like you are whining is fucking idiotic.

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led - Reply to #178

Only fucking idiots give arguments like that. Team locks, cs box, halo, yeah, that's totally relevant with what's in question here.

What's idiotic is adding ztn because only a handful of whiny Q3 players can keep on playing the same map over and over again. No one here is against adding good maps, but what is stopping them to make new good ones?

Oh and ztn used to be my best and favorite map, so this isn't a "I used to suck on that map" issue.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #186

That's because it's not a fucking argument, it's an analogy. Features and options are GOOD. Not adding features and options because some people don't know how to use them is BAD. Making new maps is also GOOD. Adding old maps has NO RELATION to making new maps.

Edited by Demiurge at 17:28 CDT, 8 June 2009

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led - Reply to #206

Call it whatever you want. You can't place both under the same category. One is a fundamental feature well received by everyone and the other is not (including pros). You don't get to decide whether this is a "GOOD" thing or not for QL. I would think there would be at least ONE good map for duel around after 10 years that hasn't been overplayed by every Q3 player out there that we could add instead of ztn.

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Eviili - Reply to #186

I see newbs playing dm6 24/7 just look at the stats of some they have 30+ dm6 maps in 1day lol

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #325

all i see is calls for remakes of old maps etc... bring back q2dm1, hub, phrantic, monsoon, placebo'...

<< Comment #223 @ 18:52 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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erok - Reply to #132

what the fuck? are you stupid?

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Magician - Reply to #124

The problem is that once maps like ztn are added nobody is going to play the new maps in tournaments. Tournaments in general have a small pool of only about 5 maps and once things like ztn are added to quakelive the first maps to be kicked out are the new ones. Not because ztn is a better map, but because the dominant opinion of the experienced players will always be to include the older maps because the time they have invested into them will give them a competitive advantage.

I have (on and off) been following quake3 for at least 10 years, and personally I'm sick to death of maps like ztn, dm13 etc. It would be a great thing from at least a spectators point of view to freshen up the map pool a bit. You are in a unique position in quakelive in that new maps added will be available to all players, giving them the sort of exposure that was very hard to do in the past. I understand that creating new maps is a lot more work as adding old ones, but still if you must add old maps atleast add some that are not as completely overplayed as ztn

Edited by Magician at 14:26 CDT, 8 June 2009

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tourist - Reply to #134

people have been playing t6 and that other map for over a year now. don't you think they've figured by now if those are good or not?

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Magician - Reply to #138

Peoples opinion on whether a map is "good" or not is highly correlated to their ability to win on it. Having played a map for a gazillion years compared to your opponent gives you a big edge. A big edge equals a big chance to win, winning equals fun, fun equals a distorted opinion on something being a good map..

So if your idea of fun duels are two people running away from eachother for 15 minutes with 200-200 armour, until one wins 1-0 in overtime thats fine. Me? I'd rather watch something else, like a professional grass growing competition.

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SyncError - Reply to #149

Outside of my own peformance on t6, I think Almost Lost is a great 2v2 map, and that's where it should primarily be played. It hasn't yet, because of the difficulty of locking teams to 2v2 in TDM, but that should change soon.

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SpOOnman - Reply to #155

There is no reason to follow twitter nor QL Dev/General forum. Go ESR->user SyncError->look for his posts to have latest news what's going on inside QL :) It works!

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extone - Reply to #155

add TDM 2v2 separate gametype with max 2 players in both teams and add on maps 2v2 items layouts.
for example items on dm6 is good for 4v4 tdm but not for 2v2.

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c1 - Reply to #155

1 question!
Did you ever played 2on2 on t6?

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SyncError - Reply to #573

Er.. yes?

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CAREEM - Reply to #134

Totally agreed.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #134

This has nothing to do with the game developer. Talk to tournament organizers about their map pool. A ton of players want to play ztn, because they enjoy it. New maps never had a problem being introduces as long as they were as good as or BETTER than the current maps. So far, there is no map that is anything like ztn.

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s3cco - Reply to #153

It has all to do with the game developers, of course. Look at what maps are played in VQ3: apart from ztn and hub which were only accepted because they were already popular in qw, all other maps (ospdm5 and 6, cpm4, threewave maps) come with some mod (i.e. from game developers).

Quakers are like spoiled children: they whine all day and need to force-fed by authority figures

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imbaczek - Reply to #194

oh god couldn't have said that better.

Edited by imbaczek at 06:48 CDT, 9 June 2009

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cyronix ' - Reply to #194

that is so true,
the scene tends only to play maps that come with the original game,
custom maps have a hard time.
But there is an easy way to circumvent this,
just make big tourneys using custom maps only,
so people get used to some custom maps,
and then are not influenced so much in chosing the map by the fact that it is original or not.

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vedic - Reply to #134

Well said.

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juM8o - Reply to #124

its just that new maps are mostly for teambased games. There are only one new map for dueling and can we really say its new, since its already over 1 year old :/

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judge717 - Reply to #124

That's a very lame excuse for adding ztn.
"It is important to preserve some of these arenas for newcomers to experience them as we have."

"New players will learn these classics."
I doubt that.

I almost have trouble understanding how you guys can make a completely free game undesirable to play, but somehow you did it. Thanks for the effort.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #140

Holy shit. Adding new options without taking away any of the old options is so BAD. Your QL experience is totally RUINED because someone is playing ztn on another server. BAWWBAWWW

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judge717 - Reply to #156

You don't seem to understand. Add ZTN, add hub... I don't care, but also add some new maps, perhaps? That's really what I was looking for in Qlive.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #193

You're the one who doesn't understand simple logic. Not adding other new maps is an inaction. That particular inaction HAS NOTHING to do with the action of adding an old map. It doesn't RUIN anything.

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judge717 - Reply to #199

It's subjective. Adding ZTN makes qlive less desirable to play for ME. "Inaction" regarding new maps makes the game less appealing to me.

You seem to think I can just never play ZTN and avoid it totally, but if I ever wanted to play competitively in a league/tournament I'd absolutely have to know/play ZTN. Call me lazy or envious. I just don't feel like putting 15 hours into a map that half the ppl playing already know in-and-out. I'd rather not play qlive? Why do you want me to stick around so badly.

Edited by judge- at 17:54 CDT, 8 June 2009

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guts - Reply to #210

why do you even care if it is added or not? you have a choice. nothing wrong with adding classic maps.

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judge717 - Reply to #436

Assuming I completely avoid ever playing ZTN in quakelive somehow, it'd still be like they didn't add any map at all. Which, imo, is just as bad.

Early spring I claimed if no new maps by summer I was out. Just sticking to my word.

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fjorgyn - Reply to #474

well then GTFO already

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #124

please add the Q3 converted Monsoon too: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1584965

that map is pretty new, the layout is one of the best in recent years of mapping and the best thing about Q4.

Edited by Aquashark at 02:18 CDT, 9 June 2009

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MarzenGold

The best cricket pitch evar!

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CAREEM

cool, again no new maps at the tournaments next 10years

This makes me /quit QL and the rest of the people too (PURRI,,,?) imo.

Edited by CAREEM at 14:24 CDT, 8 June 2009

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tourist - Reply to #128

don't forget to write

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judge717 - Reply to #128

I too am done with QL.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #142

Oh nooo. Not another player who can't figure out that just because one map is added all the other maps are not removed!!!
:'(

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judge717 - Reply to #154

It's not about what maps are available. It's about what maps are played. I promise you it will be dm6/ztn all day long with a possible side-dish of t7/dm13/t4.

I was annoyed for like 30 mins when I read this post, but I don't really care anymore tbh. Just not going to play anymore.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #190

What the hell. Why do you care what other people are playing all day long? How the hell does it preclude you from making own choice? If you don't want to play a certain map than don't. No one is stopping you from playing other maps, but you, yourself. This is fucking mind boggling.

Edited by Demiurge at 17:11 CDT, 8 June 2009

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feTzu - Reply to #201

consider switching the USSR flag next to your name to CAPITALISM. :)

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apoxic - Reply to #201

Why do you care what other people are playing all day long?

You play versus bots? How can you fail to see his argument.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #245

Are you serious? "other people" = "ALL other people? I play versus people who play MORE THAN ONE MAP. How can you fail to see the absurdity of this argument.

Edited by Demiurge at 21:16 CDT, 8 June 2009

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apoxic - Reply to #250

Oh yea I forgot, they also play DM6 and DM13.. THOSE OTHER PEOPLE.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #262

You forgot every other map someone might or might not like!!!!!

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apoxic - Reply to #263

I'm out of troll food.

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becks - Reply to #262

uhm wait, so this thread is full of people complaining that there is noone playing the new maps.
anyone else see a small contradiction there?

For tournaments that argument might make some sense, but that really remains to be seen.

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vedic - Reply to #351

that really remains to be seen.

Too much superdanielman.

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becks - Reply to #356

been using that for years. :(

I don't know that many idioms, so please leave me mine.

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vedic - Reply to #359

Pretty sure that's the first time you've used it on this site. =P

<< Comment #365 @ 06:13 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #364

8254.

you sure?

<< Comment #370 @ 06:17 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #365

Google seems to think so.

also, how did you manage to score 3k more posts than me when you signed up only 3 months after I did?

Edited by Vedic at 06:18 CDT, 9 June 2009

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becks - Reply to #370

http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=site%...&meta=

you went through that all?

Edited by becks at 06:19 CDT, 9 June 2009

<< Comment #372 @ 06:19 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #371

Remove becks, as it muddies the search.

<< Comment #378 @ 06:27 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #372

so you checked 1660 instead of 1480?

good move!

<< Comment #379 @ 06:29 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #378

You're forgetting to search by age, since you've only been around for 3 years. That narrows it down to 8 posts.

<< Comment #380 @ 06:30 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #379

link.

<< Comment #381 @ 06:32 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #380

add &as_qdr=yx to your search, where x = number of years. You can also do dx or wx.

<< Comment #390 @ 06:44 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #381

seems broken, as my search shows results within those 3 years that are not in the =y3 version...
and neither in the y4 version, for that matter.

anyway, I know what I know and I've been using "remains to be seen" on and off for years. But maybe, through some coincidence, never here.

<< Comment #427 @ 08:06 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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BlindGuardian - Reply to #390

...but that remains to be seen

:D

<< Comment #428 @ 08:09 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #427

quit poking in my wounds, I am suffering here :((

<< Comment #248 @ 21:04 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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rapha - Reply to #190

If that's the case then find better people to play. The better players don't just play 1-2 maps. I just found this comment funny considering the people I've seen you play(including myself)

<< Comment #180 @ 16:02 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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fanfreluche - Reply to #142

In before new alias !

<< Comment #143 @ 14:35 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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oneroomdisco - Reply to #128

We'll miss you...

<< Comment #159 @ 15:06 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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exp! - Reply to #128

kthxbye.

<< Comment #141 @ 14:32 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Hanzo

Keep on good work SyncError, its great to see old favorite maps coming back. Who didnt try ztn in q3 now can play this map in QL.

<< Comment #157 @ 15:03 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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CAREEM

I was hoping so baddddly for new QL 1v1 maps like qztourney7 is...

Wonder why every Q3 player dislikes qztourney7. They want to play on a map where they have at least 8.000hours advantage.

Edited by CAREEM at 15:04 CDT, 8 June 2009

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SyncError - Reply to #157

I look forward to a new duel map as well. I love t7, still one of my favorites. Method doesn't like t7 in comparison to his newer maps like Trinity, but I still prefer t7 out of the bunch. Fits my style of play well.

There are some reasons why some dislike t7. It does have a different flow than most maps, and yes its armor heavy especially in the RA/YA/RG area. The way I see it, is that the map geometry wise reminds me of how dm13 flows (but with a railgun in the mix). The YA pickup can be near RA, but honestly doesn't give a great advantage to the player who has just picked up RA as their armor is nearly maxed out anyways. Watch matches or demos and you'll find that most of the time that a player picks up both, they approach the YA with like 190 armor and gain a whopping 10 points. =p Yet when the down player is able to nab it, they most often have 2xYA vs their opponents RA. I'm rambling now. Truth.

<< Comment #177 @ 15:55 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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By $\0/$ zrC - Reply to #162

How hard could it actually be for iD to make a map-contest?
I think there is ALOT of mappers that would like 2 hit the "map-pack" of QL without getting anything back(Except for the glory).

And I really like your "slogan" "6 new map in 6 weeks". Where are the NEW maps?
I really feel like im being fooled. Over and over again.
You use your big words on forum but still nothing happens.

So the punchline is that I feel like your big hype isnt worth shit and I almoust lost all my hope in QL. Hope you prove me wrong, but make it quick.

<< Comment #179 @ 16:01 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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fanfreluche - Reply to #177

I'm sure they are sorry for offending you man !
I mean, you definately paid for this game after all :)

<< Comment #181 @ 16:04 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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By $\0/$ zrC - Reply to #179

I dont need to pay for my rights to complain.

<< Comment #195 @ 16:37 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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QuiXilver - Reply to #181

that's what ESR is for eh

<< Comment #198 @ 16:57 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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fanfreluche - Reply to #181

Sure thing,

however your complaint was built as if iD would care about losing you as a 'customer'.

It's funny how we quickly assume everything is owed to us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jETv3NURwLc should bring some insight to your unhappy face :)

I agree bringing this map was perhaps a bad idea on the competition side of things. But every other aspect aside, it's a good idea :)

Tourneys can still decide not to put it in their pool ( yeah right...tourneys...oh wai ... )

FLAME ON

Edited by Freelance_ at 16:59 CDT, 8 June 2009

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fanfreluche - Reply to #198

Also, in before "tldl"

Watch the fucking vid.

<< Comment #207 @ 17:35 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #198

however your complaint was built as if iD would care about losing you as a 'customer'.

Ah, the old "you're just one man" defense. With how small the community is already, each loss is a big one.

<< Comment #217 @ 18:32 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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By $\0/$ zrC - Reply to #198

Ok the video is great. I should be gratefull for everything. But sorry the human mind is just constructed this way. I like 2 see it as Ying/Yang.

But at the same time. I want QL to be greater, better, faster and stronger. I want 2 push things. I just dont complain, I also leave some pointers and suggestions.

<< Comment #266 @ 00:47 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #198

With how small the community is already, each loss is a big one.

<< Comment #267 @ 01:00 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #266

zrc is not a big loss, believe me :D

<< Comment #271 @ 01:11 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #267

haha :o

<< Comment #331 @ 05:13 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Eviili - Reply to #157

srsy STFU im pretty sure that if they added from ur q2 edge (q2dm1) map ur ass would clap and u would praise id for doing so...fucking hypocrate

and dont get me wrong i like q2dm1 personally i would love to see it added as a tdm map, did it in q4 and it was great!

<< Comment #368 @ 06:16 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #331

No, fucking idiot. I dont want to have The Edge in QL, I want to have the new maps.

Stop replying to me non sens comments moron.

<< Comment #160 @ 15:10 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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ashr

lol i mentioned this to a random girl at a bar this evening and i got laid.

19%

<< Comment #216 @ 18:26 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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wocK_ - Reply to #160

o ffs is that where my mum went

<< Comment #225 @ 18:55 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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erok - Reply to #160

LIES it was a MAN baby

<< Comment #242 @ 20:32 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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BalkanFM - Reply to #160

"you wanna come back to my place?, we can play some video games"

works everytime, they laugh and then just say yeah lets do that. got like 5 girls with that line... and i dont just say it, when we get home i fire up q3 and show em whos boss. Fuck for a couple of hours, then i play some more when the girl falls asleep.

<< Comment #276 @ 02:04 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #242

and then your mom wakes you up because the pizza is ready.

<< Comment #413 @ 07:43 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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BalkanFM - Reply to #276

virgin nerd, you should try sex someday

<< Comment #415 @ 07:46 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #413

maybe I prefer it with girls that aren't impressed by video game skills?

<< Comment #435 @ 08:22 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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BalkanFM - Reply to #415

thats why youre a virgin nerd. that i prefer line is really an excuse to yourself why you dont get laid.

<< Comment #439 @ 08:29 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #435

I am 28 years old, so in contrast to you the women I am interested in are not impressed by video game skills. Dancing, outdoor sports, cooking and good manners are skills that get me laid.

And your play quake show em who's boss, the fuck for a couple of hours and play more quake after they fall asleep sounds too much like a lonely nerd's dream ;)

<< Comment #559 @ 21:03 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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BalkanFM - Reply to #439

nerds dream, yes

<< Comment #567 @ 01:47 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #559

emphasis on dream.

<< Comment #511 @ 13:39 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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hemostick - Reply to #276

Cue Wolowitz-esque situation (from the big bang theory!)

<< Comment #524 @ 14:26 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #511

:D

<< Comment #307 @ 03:58 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Vapour - Reply to #160

Giving new meaning to the words Blood run.

<< Comment #322 @ 04:38 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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QuiXilver - Reply to #307

just one week a month

<< Comment #329 @ 05:02 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Vapour - Reply to #322

Or one cherry during a lifetime :P

<< Comment #164 @ 15:22 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Gravgon

Now we want q2dm1 in QL to make things fair !!!

(just kidding I dont give a shit ;))

<< Comment #170 @ 15:35 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #164

Double jumps are fair enough! :P

<< Comment #165 @ 15:27 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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tourist

WOA DOES THIS MEAN WE CAN EXPECT AERO IN THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF??!!11

<< Comment #166 @ 15:29 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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butcher_kgp '

prayers have been answered !

<< Comment #169 @ 15:35 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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spartaz0rd

I hope it wont be added in mappool...or at least only since new maps are made .....

<< Comment #304 @ 03:49 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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c1 - Reply to #169

I bet they will likely remove any new map instead of ztn/dm6. dm6 was an insta fail, adding ztn is epic fail

<< Comment #171 @ 15:38 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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efassd

Yawn... It's like dm13, but without the good parts. New players will have tons of fun losing 6:7 on this one.

<< Comment #182 @ 16:07 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #171

new players lose 6:7? More like 50:-1

<< Comment #174 @ 15:43 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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[TA]STiNGS

So that´s ztn, adding AERO will be another step I PRESUME...?

<< Comment #265 @ 00:44 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #174

Lets focus on this moment of joy, i think they deserve at least a week free of whine ^^

Edited by gSTRUCTOR at 00:44 CDT, 9 June 2009

<< Comment #175 @ 15:44 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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AHXNXA

quake live sucks ass

9%

<< Comment #183 @ 16:07 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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draven-

ztn is farr to good to not include at quakelive, i would love to see q2dm1/aerowalk and maps like monsoon and perhaps even placebo in ql, with changes perhaps, also maybe ztn without rail like QW might be a idea? (SG instead there?)

<< Comment #188 @ 16:20 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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rexobb - Reply to #183

i would love to see monsoon, placebo and q2dm1 in there.. its highly unlikely tho :( railgun will be fine in ztn with 80 dmg, and if they took it away it wud just be massive SG whoring.

<< Comment #204 @ 17:23 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Anonymous (netblock-68-183-194-87.dslextreme.com) - Reply to #188

Monsoon and placebo!

PS: Whine because QL has popular maps, very classy

<< Comment #291 @ 03:24 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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DaHanG - Reply to #183

Keep dreaming...:P

<< Comment #189 @ 16:20 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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senzor

Great news, thanks. Let's see how this works with QL.

<< Comment #205 @ 17:23 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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light - Reply to #189

my guess would be ultra defensively based on rail, and retreating whenever you feel you have just the slightest disadvantage in armor.

<< Comment #233 @ 19:48 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #205

sounds like every map that has rail.. :/

<< Comment #290 @ 03:23 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #205

I like ZTN a lot, but sadly, this is true for a lot of players:(

I've met people who seriously only use rail on ztn.

<< Comment #486 @ 12:08 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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By $\0/$ zrC - Reply to #290

Well you can always get a railer of-guard by waiting by RA and Tele-YA. Just be sure you can take 2 rails and get in close-combat and your rockets will put an end to his failing style of play.

<< Comment #488 @ 12:17 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #486

Chances of succes with that are low.

Rail really does dominate, and being able to take 2 rails are some serious requirements.

<< Comment #192 @ 16:28 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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rupertt

haha, i just knew this map would make people pee their pants. wd !

<< Comment #202 @ 17:12 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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mefajpE^

Although I hate to play ztn, because I don't really enjoy it as much as other maps (dm6, hub) and I'm really bad there, getting my ass constantly whipped, I do admit it's a really good map.

However I can't say that I'm happy. Players who played it for years have an unbelievable advantage over those who didn't. So there are two ways for me and just almost everybody else being in my situation: avoid it completely or do the hard way - play it, learn "how to" (read: be beaten by large margin), don't enjoy the map/game until you'll get much better at it.

Hopefully you won't forget about hub3aeroq3. Playing this map is such a joy.

Edited by mefajpE^ at 17:13 CDT, 8 June 2009

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gSTRUCTOR '

just 'Awesome' maaan. Best. Map. Ever. I normally perform much better in ztn than dm6 with higher skilled players. Its a map where brain is more rewarded than raw hand/eye cordination. dm6 is about getting control(something very hard in the begining vs pixel perfect aimers) and staying aware, while ztn is a map full of oportunities to do akward strats. That said i enjoy dm6, its a pretty straightforward map once you get the basics. But this map is about ztn so, hats off to id for pulling this one out. And thanks to the mapers and all people involved in the creation of this fine piece of art.

<< Comment #209 @ 17:47 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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ini

What about Bittermans drown sound error?

<< Comment #211 @ 17:54 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #209

Oh you so funny!

<< Comment #213 @ 18:14 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #211

ye he is srsly lol bringing that up all the time.. ;)

what about uriels wings btw., they seem kinda bugged

<< Comment #219 @ 18:40 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #211

It actually really annoys me :(

<< Comment #232 @ 19:38 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #219

It has been fixed internally. I looked into the project archives for Quake 3 where the source files are located and found that a Bitterman drown sound was created. So the missing sound will finally be put into place.

<< Comment #243 @ 20:35 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #232

\o/ <3

<< Comment #215 @ 18:16 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Anonymous (p5481FB9A.dip.t-dialin.net)

I like ztn. thanks for that map. I would love to see phrantic, monsoon and placebo! :) I rly enjoyed that maps so much in q4 :) thx

<< Comment #293 @ 03:25 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #215

No phrantic, please!

Nice map I guess but I suck at it + ra room of DOOM!

<< Comment #344 @ 05:44 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #215

hahaha phrantic
it got boring after 3-4 weeks of playing and always produced the same 3-4 different fighting situations

<< Comment #214 @ 18:16 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Anonymous (host86-152-5-146.range86-152.btcentralplus.com)

yay, 5 more years of dm6 ztn t4 dm13 competitions.......

~o¬
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<< Comment #264 @ 00:39 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #214

Dont forget the best part, whiners!

<< Comment #218 @ 18:36 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Anonymous (a88-114-153-72.elisa-laajakaista.fi)

Doesn't anybody realize that the years of practice are not all that valuable? Practice time =/= skill, since a lot of that practice has been played with inferior strategy, especially in the beginning of Q3. Newer players don't have to innovate, just emulate, which is easy with f.e. demos. If you copy how your experienced opponent plays, you render his superior practice time useless.

<< Comment #234 @ 19:50 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #218

lol i wish

<< Comment #254 @ 22:10 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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13m3 - Reply to #218

yeaaaaaaah right!

that's why there are so many cooller/cypher/zero4/any_other_top_tier kind players around. All they needed to do was to COPY them. With so many demos and so many years that was VERY EASY!

now quitting the sarcasm: copying something really good takes A LOT of practice, even if you're very talented and very skilled...

Edited by GzUz at 22:10 CDT, 8 June 2009

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Terifire - Reply to #254

He is right to some degree.

Ofcourse when facing new situations, the players copying wouldn't know how to react, in contrast with cooller who would just press up up down down a to teleport to ra and triple air rocket his enemy.

Watching just a few cypher/cooller/jibo demos you can learn all about the cornerfucking railspots.

Can't learn decision making from demos tho I guess.

<< Comment #494 @ 12:36 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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13m3 - Reply to #294

you can learn all about the cornerfucking railspots.

yeah, that is right! But what he said: "you render his superior practice time useless" is completely wrong.

<< Comment #237 @ 20:07 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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supra`

monsoon next please :)

but i'm sure next will be a new map, with probably a q2dm1 remake for the final

<< Comment #249 @ 21:07 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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erok - Reply to #237

monsoon would be pretty cool, would probably have a bit slower play style in QL than it did in q4

<< Comment #295 @ 03:28 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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DaHanG - Reply to #237

q2dm1 was great because of the jumps in q2...new unseen maps please

<< Comment #316 @ 04:23 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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jal - Reply to #295

Agreed. Let q2dm1 at q2, where it excells. Bring in new stuff.

<< Comment #548 @ 17:25 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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supra` - Reply to #316

of course q2dm1 will suck in QL, but so many people beg for it I wouldn't doubt it would be included

<< Comment #558 @ 19:54 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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jal - Reply to #548

and fail (again).

<< Comment #220 @ 18:49 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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CAREEM

gSTRUCTOR, I can say the same about Q2 maps.

Q3 community is always complaining about edited old Q3 maps. Because the maps are not like they are use to. They don't want to learn new tricks, new tactic, new spawn system, etc. They want to play as they are use to for ages. If no then they will make a vote poll about shitty changes at QL forum. After wards they will get what they want.

There are people from CS (series), COD (series), WOW, QW, Q2, WSW, UT (series)... Those players really like QL. The new web system, for free game, etc. This is for everyone so great, especially for new comers. But the advantage which Q3 players have in QL ruins QL totally. Lets say, I'm from Q2 and I play Q2 for really long time. I'm decent good there, I have played with all top Q2 players close games or even beated them. But in QL I wont stand a chance against a Q3 player, unless if I play QL 24/7 per day. The same is by the rest of the gamers. Some people from UT plays FPS for ages too, just like Q3 players do, but they wont stand a chance against them.

All what I want to say is. This is really bad idea to put old Q3 maps in QL. Make the new ones. With new maps the skill will be more balanced.

PS: Iniii stop editing my posts. I know how reply's work.

<< Comment #224 @ 18:53 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #220

I did it once, you're fucking replying to the dude so reply to him. It's not like your post has nothing to do with his.

<< Comment #255 @ 22:20 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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FTY - Reply to #220

Quake Live = Quake 3. I don't even know why the douchery at id software decided to not make Q3 maps work in Quake Live, oh because of the ranking system which could just be shot down from the get go, as it has no true bearing on anything, or was is the banners?

You're a part time hypocrite. If this was Quake 2 and that suck DM1 map was included you'd cheer as an idiot, including your buddy Purri with whom you'll agree even if he says sex with underage boys is the best.

But that aside. Nobody fucking cares. One year down the road and there's going to be 5 maps played over and over again, while the rest rots in the corner, like it has been with Quake, Quake 2 (the worst of them all) and Quake 3 moving on to every single FPS game there is.

Cause people are retards, people like you, me, everyone. However I quit playing TDM and 1v1 and moved to CTF 'cause it was the biggest douche bag community in the history limiting themselves to maps I could count on one hand. At least in CTF I had a map pool that spread to one and a half hand.

Maybe now when I'm pushing 30 I see this differently, but I'd play every fucking map there is, bad, good, catastrophic, as long as a play the game and have fun and some competitiveness, which you can get out of most maps. But there's too much retards around which vote for their favourite map, or in other words, the map that had them drop school, as soon as they loose a point.

That said, I miss the days of WinQuake, where episode maps were turning the rounds, and you had a woop-dee-doo biggest map pool in the history of all games at your disposal, and games were actually fun and competitive including START the fucking introduction.

Edited by FTY at 22:22 CDT, 8 June 2009

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<< Comment #285 @ 03:11 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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exp! - Reply to #255

you got a [+] sir

<< Comment #292 @ 03:24 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #255

hear hear! moar maps!

<< Comment #296 @ 03:31 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #255

/me nods

I've been playing Q3 since 2007 and I allready think ztn is da bomb.

I wouldn't mind new maps tho, even tho the chance of losing to players I normally beat on the old maps is present:P

<< Comment #312 @ 04:14 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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jal - Reply to #255

Actually, the Q2 map pool has changed over the years. Of course q2dm1 always stays, but the comunity has integrated new duel maps at different moments, something the Q3 comunity only did at the very beginning and then never again.

<< Comment #362 @ 06:10 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #312

Yeah, it's not like we've had hub3tourney1, ffdm2, cpm1a, hub3aeroq3, pro-q3tourney7, pro-nodm9 being used over the years.

In the past few years it may have stopped but at the same time the community has been dead so that's no surprise (And even then online cups have used pukka maps et cetera).

Edit: Also, pro-q3dm6, pro-q3tourney4 are different to the originals which were used at first and q3tourney2 and pro-q3tourney2 have been used all.

Edited by iniiiiiiii at 06:43 CDT, 9 June 2009

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jal - Reply to #362

Well, I don't see it the same way, but I understand that argument. The way I see it is: Those maps were tried to be added to the map pool by corageus well intended people, but were dropped after a short while. They stay as sidekickers to the pool, but not really members of it. Don't get me wrong, I think there is many people in the Q3 comunity they'd like those maps to be real part of the pool, and I side with them. But at the end, something happens with Q3 that it always finds the way to exclude any new thing.
EDIT: And note: there's nothing further of my intention than starting a Q2 vs Q3 flamewar. I'm just trying to point out what I consider a sad aspect of Q3 evolution that I wish could be improved.

Edited by jal at 07:20 CDT, 9 June 2009

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ini - Reply to #398

The problem was, as I see it, that most of those maps just aren't very good.

Q2 had/has a smaller community and it has no professional scene at all so there was no need to be concerned with quality in the same way. A more casual scene will always be more accepting of things of a lower quality.

Q3 with its big money competition had all the players worried about being perfect before it could be used which obviously meant that most maps didn't stand a chance of getting near, let alone breaking into the map list.

This isn't having a go at the Q2 community in any way

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Gravgon - Reply to #409

1. All Q2 players are professionals, we just don't earn money :p
2. We accept new maps only if they're good. If we're conservative enough to play a 10y old game, trust me, we sure don't let mediocre maps into our business.
3. It just happens that Q2 maps are good while Q3 maps are shit besides dm6, ztn, t4 and hub :)

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ini - Reply to #522

Well you get what I'm saying anyway :P

I do contest that the standards aren't more relaxed though, I'm not saying the maps are bad but people are more relaxed at what they play. In Q3 people got so caught up in the whole QUAKE 3 IS A FUCKING SPORT ZOMG side of things that they only wanted to play the "perfect" maps.

I do think most Q3 maps are shit though, wonder what exactly that makes me, some sort of hypocrite type thing I guess.

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Secarius - Reply to #522

GRAVGON!!!

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Gravgon - Reply to #621

omg seca you're still around!

i've seen so many players with the GoD tag and i kept asking them about you :)

still playing ?

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mic - Reply to #362

u forgot ospdm11 (?)

<< Comment #514 @ 13:51 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #506

Was that used in any duel tournaments?

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mic - Reply to #514

not sure, but it was used in the es(p)l q3 ladder back in 2003 (or 04?)

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mic - Reply to #533

kinda liked that map

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ini - Reply to #534

Fantastic 2vs2 map at any rate \o/

Edit: Wait, I think you mean ospdm8

Edited by iniiiiiiii at 15:12 CDT, 9 June 2009

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mic - Reply to #535

aaaah, just looked it up, the map i was talking about is ospdm8. 11 is great too, tho :) remember those stelam / zyz vs fox / tox matches :D? -> rrrrrrrrrrrrrage
edit: kay :/

Edited by mic at 15:14 CDT, 9 June 2009

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jal - Reply to #537

Nah, it's not great. That one was fairly dropped. Running distances are too large.
EDIT: I'm refering to 8, which btw, I created. 11 is great.

Edited by jal at 04:09 CDT, 10 June 2009

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CAREEM - Reply to #312

exactly, Q2 even had sometimes 12maps in map poll! Beat that!

<< Comment #226 @ 18:56 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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erok

great, now i can get back to getting raped on ztn by people who have played it 500 more times than me :D

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By $\0/$ zrC - Reply to #226

only 500 more?

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judge717 - Reply to #227

that's 125 hours of gameplay on one map.

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CAREEM - Reply to #227

he meant 5.000

<< Comment #230 @ 19:17 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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Drexciyian

GAY ztn made ALOT of great maps in qw & q2, lay this shit to rest and make some of the others for the q3 engine

Edited by Drexciyian at 19:18 CDT, 8 June 2009

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xfoo

I wonder how the spawn system will affect how the map will be played. Where will a player most often spawn after an RA or mega death?

<< Comment #236 @ 20:04 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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KitesAreFun

I don't really think this is a case of ZTN INSTEAD OF {insert new map(s) here.} I think this is a case of ZTN IN ADDITION TO {insert new map(s) here.}

I suspect, long time tournament players love this map. Newer players don't. You can't please everybody.

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CAREEM - Reply to #236

lol zalu, you are so wrong. It's not about "old players like this map, new players dont". I really enjoyed watching this map at Q3 tournaments. But the fact is, Q3 players have already advantage. But now they will have even bigger advantage.

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Terifire - Reply to #247

Well yeah why is it so bad they have an advantage?

I'd be mad pissed if I'd have spent 10 years playing a game then to just totally suck at the remake =)

Wouldn't make sense either.

<< Comment #318 @ 04:24 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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kenZu - Reply to #247

Get some skill and stop whine.

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KitesAreFun - Reply to #247

I was simply commenting on the observation that we have seasoned ZTNers and non-seasoned ZTNers and some people find this to be bs.

Nothing "wrong" about it.

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Lethe - Reply to #247

last time i checked, quake live was not related with quake2 in any way.

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CAREEM - Reply to #492

what do you mean?

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Lethe - Reply to #495

what i mean is its kinda strange to whine about a *quake3 remake* introducing quake3 classic maps until new ones come.

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CAREEM - Reply to #497

All I want to have in this game is a bit more balance. QL is the key for FPS gamers. Everyone can play it since the game is for free, besides the game is pure fun. But such huge advantage between Q3 players and the rest of the gamers ruins the fun in QL.

Hopefully evili the kid is not licking your ass aswell. There are 1000 of people who are whining about the same thing. How come you found me?

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Lethe - Reply to #498

those who are whining, are whining about the old map being introduced instead of making new ones. i agree with that, quake live needs new maps. but new GOOD maps. till that is done, ztn is much better solution than that abomination of t6.

you're acting like this is as much q2 as it is q3, talking about q2dm1, or whatever. but its basically new quake3. same is with the guys demanding monsoon or whateverthefuck. let them have it to play for fun, but the tournaments shouldn't have it.

after all, this IS new quake3.

<< Comment #503 @ 13:18 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #501

No, I dont want the edge in QL

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Lethe - Reply to #503

but you have a problem with q3 players wanting/getting ztn in q3 remake until new maps are made?

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CAREEM - Reply to #510

I have made already 100 posts (reasons) why not to include ZTN, I don't have a problem with Q3 players. I just told the fact about them.

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Lethe - Reply to #521

hypothetically, if i came to play a quake2 remake, i wouldn't really whine about it implementing a remake of q2dm1. after all, its a quake2 remake, and an epic q2 map.

as far as the first part of it goes, i've seen blanka (q2 player) beat fooki and spartie on dm6. some can, some can't. but don't blame the map.

<< Comment #253 @ 21:45 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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wch

Let me lay it on the line, he had two on the vine, I mean two sets of testicles, so divine.

<< Comment #256 @ 23:02 CDT, 8 June 2009 >>

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browser

unbelievable

<< Comment #260 @ 00:14 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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G.I. Jonesy

Prostitution should be legal.

<< Comment #596 @ 08:37 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #260

here's some attention, now go away

<< Comment #261 @ 00:17 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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rTx

omg ive been a user here for lots of years and jamerio is still typing those essays, his fingers must be stronger than his biceps girls must fight for u to finger them dude

ps i miss k-dawg wonder where hes been

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bl4ze - Reply to #261

lol

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Torzelan '

It's a great map so I'm happy. It basically rewards the opposite of what I'm good at, and still I love it and wish to learn. People have a bajillion years head start on me at Q3, DM6, DM13, bla bla bla, so this is no different and if I or anyone else was going to get turned off we should have left ages ago (or never come in the first place). This is a free, browser based version of Q3. Lacking new good maps, I'll take old good maps. Oldschoolers having a head start is a fair point, but so is what the anonymous dude said. It doesn't take 10 years from now for us to get where they are now after 10 years. If there will be tournaments generating motivation, new people who deserve it will catch up.

Most of the "it's so unfair" looks like a bunch of QQ to me. I guess I do feel a bit sorry for the people who are truly - not the ones using it as an excuse - sick and tired of playing the same maps since forever. Can't relate but can sympathise.

<< Comment #273 @ 01:28 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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BlindGuardian

oh how nice this is. and really, i dont see much of a problem here for newer players to the game given matchmaking will work

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Terifire - Reply to #273

People not taking matchmaking into consideration:)

Would be awesome if matchmaking would calculate a per map skill level or something:D Not sure how it works now.

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c1 - Reply to #273

I played/won 90% t6/t7 matches which means skillmatching make me tier 3, i guess.
I loose to a lot of players on dm6 where skillmatching says: "your skill higher" because I got skill but I lack of mapknowledge.
Same issue will be for ztn.

so skillmatching is fucked up again by ztn and it will be hard to fix it. Except they will do skill by map which wont happen...

Edited by c1 at 04:07 CDT, 9 June 2009

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BlindGuardian - Reply to #309

don't thin this is much of an issue after a couple of plays. skillmatching in the determines that you're a middleskilled duel player because you're good on one map and not so good on another one. i really dont see the issue here. back in q3, i was decent on ztn and got my ass handed to me on every other map. so what? stop being so serious about that game

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mic - Reply to #369

hi.

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BlindGuardian - Reply to #507

sup?

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mic - Reply to #551

spielst du noch? :D

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BlindGuardian - Reply to #570

ja wieder, manchmal. aber bisher kein duel, nur ca, weil ztn nicht dabei war. das ändert sich jetzt vielleicht :D

<< Comment #274 @ 01:34 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Vayne

I would have liked to see the 6 maps in 6 weeks all be new maps. The old maps could have been added anytime after the new maps with an update. It seems now that a map contest is the only way to get new maps into QL. Maybe I'm wrong..

<< Comment #277 @ 02:09 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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wata

now please don't bring wcp9 nor wcp1 for ctfers, overrated maps
btw also fix siberia (too much pu in base)
and do some layout changes to bloodlust, the map is mediocre, feels like a long corridor with a too deadly flag room
that would be all, thx

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Fejl(Folklore)

What the fuck are ID doing? No old maps FFS! we can't keep play maps that players have played for 9 years. Just listen to what Zero4 says in his latest Carmack interview:

"Now every player know exactly what to do in any situation and the one who do it best wins"

Sort of if i remember right. And that wont create new styles and tactics and for the new players to be able to get to the top will be extremely hard!

This is not noob friendly at all, why were id so stupid anyways and made quake live in the first place? This just make me want to quit QL all together.

FU ID.

Edited by Fejl(Folklore) at 10:24 CDT, 9 June 2009

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hejduk - Reply to #280

I totally agree.

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Bluder - Reply to #280

whine some moar.

<< Comment #396 @ 07:03 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #280

chill out

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KitesAreFun - Reply to #280

"Now every player not exactly what to do in any situation and the one who do it best wins"

This is what Quake is. Implement and execute.

Edited by zalu at 08:16 CDT, 10 June 2009

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nace

btw, QL is still a beta. Quite sure that this wont be the last map added to the game.

<< Comment #281 @ 02:32 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Aquashark '

thanks.
i will play Quake Live now.

im not the biggest ztn fan, but it's a lot better for me than FUCKING DM6 and the other stock id maps.

<< Comment #298 @ 03:34 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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POL_ThrawN

HAHAHA yes ! oh yes my friend !
eat this

Edited by FF_Thrawn at 03:35 CDT, 9 June 2009

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Eviili

is it xmas already!? gg id!! :)

wish hub is next...

Edited by Eviili at 03:42 CDT, 9 June 2009

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Anonymous (adqz86.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)

I dont see why people are so concerned about new players getting raped on overplayed maps like ztn. If they are new then anyway if its new or old map their will get RAPED. If you are in community u should not only think about YOURSELF, and why u cant constantly win on "new " maps (with noobs : P ). If u want or not most played map will be dm6 and not only cause its played 100000 times but its just good. I saw that hub was played in q2 also then if its in q1,2,3 why not ql. I love to see best maps from q4 and q2 also, and offcourse some GOOD new maps.

<< Comment #305 @ 03:51 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Carmac

I may have been living under a rock, but I didn't notice any petitions to remove DM6 from QuakeLive. If you don't want the map, then don't play it.

I don't see how 10 years of playing Quake 3 is a problem with ZTN if everyone plays DM6 anyway. DM6 is what most newbies want to play right now.

If the map delivers joy to people, then seriously... why not?! Most people probably play QuakeLive to have fun, not to become better than the old Quake 3 players with the *boo hoo* experience on the maps.

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BlindGuardian - Reply to #305

this. QL is first and foremost a casual experiences for many of the newcomers, so they don't particularly care about getting to the top. they probably don't even care if it is a former q3 pro they're playing right now

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OmeN_ - Reply to #308

Dear Bard,

You are fucking RIGHT

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exp! - Reply to #305

OH HAI

<< Comment #313 @ 04:16 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Vapour

Thanks ID for giving us more options.

Those idiots who whine about the fact that the pros have played the map for too long are barking up the wrong tree. Fucking harass the tournament organizers. They are the ones who decide the mappool not ID. And if you don't like it, boo-hoo. No one really cares. It's not like even 1 of you whiners would actually go and show up on LAN and participate in tourneys.

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c1

I was pissed of in the first place. Now I am just disappointed. I will quit ql.
Quake attracts only by the competition part. Which newbie can compete vs 10 year experience on ztn? Show me just one!!!

I hope the guy who is responsible for adding ztn will be fired. QL is dying.

Edited by c1 at 04:21 CDT, 9 June 2009

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kenZu - Reply to #315

And how noobies can compete on dm6 ??? Its the same...

Plus there WILL BE other NEW maps.

Get some skill plz, and stop whine.

Thx ID, that is great. rly

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c1 - Reply to #321

new duel maps wont be played anymore. so hf on ztn/dm6 only

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Splashhh - Reply to #324

What new maps are you talking about?
5 maps plz

Edited by effeffeff100 at 05:32 CDT, 9 June 2009

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c1 - Reply to #335

I was thinking about real new maps which will be released in the future.

A waste of efforts.

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calleking - Reply to #353

Why wouldn't they be played if they are good enough?

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Splashhh - Reply to #315

WOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(sorry it's about ztn)
Not quit ! If you wanna be pro you must play on all maps, you must learn !
what about dm6, t4, dm13, t6 (half a map)? its old maps!!!
New map is t7.( t9 and Trinity)
I think pro will rule on new maps too ( spart1e stermy etc)

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nemecel - Reply to #315

Matchmaking idiot.

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c1 - Reply to #338

matchmaking says "skillmatched" on a t6/t7 -> easy win
matchmaking says "your skill higher" on a dm6 server -> got raped

so what?

<< Comment #440 @ 08:32 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #383

Fix the matchmaking system. Ignoring quality maps is not the solution.

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ChOu - Reply to #315

Then please QUIT QUAKELIVE, we really dont care...

When QL started, people like u were whining about quakelive was pretty same as Quake III and said the same u're saying right now...

"Please, change the game, people have been playing it for 10 years and noobs like us have a big disadvantage..." ñeñeñeñe

FU ALL, PLAY HARD, GO PRO and if u wanna play it casual, JUST STFU AND PLAY...

Morning all ESR :*

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CAREEM - Reply to #366

thnx for pointing out my point

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c1 - Reply to #366

are you pro? lol

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ChOu - Reply to #375

Im not pro, but i like the game and i'm bored of ppl like u WHINING ALWAYS ABOUT THE FUCKING SAME THINGS...

I didnt know Tourney7 neither Tourney6 and I HAD TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY ON IT and after 50 matches on each map I LEARNT how to play it.

When u play 50 matches on a map if u're not STUPID u'll learn the map and probably more... i mean, tactics and so on...

Dont wanna get raped?, pick a friend who didnt play the map neither and play it for 10 hours, after that, search for a 'pro', challenge him and play another 10 hours then u'll be ready to play good ztn's ...

ZTN is probably the best Q3 map ever, balanced, frenetic and enjoyable to watch and of course to play... Why the hell ID cant put it @ QL? When QL is (YES IT IS) QUAKE III WITH FUCKING WEAPON BALANCE AND WEB BASED!

If u dont want to play it JUST REMOVE IT @ Tourneys like i used to do with tourney 7... u'll have to play the map, but less than other maps

Edited by ChOu at 06:37 CDT, 9 June 2009

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vedic - Reply to #382

WEAPON BALANCE AND WEB BASED

1/2 - nice try.

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c1 - Reply to #382

so you didnt play hard, go pro? :)

I get your point and that was the way I played but there are 4 maps out now (I dont count t6 as an old one) which gives q3 players a favor.

1 map which have to be my choosen map (t7) and then? 4 maps left and my knowledge of them sucks as hell.

There is no way to win 2 maps (likely ztn and maybe dm6 as a decider) which are known for years. Thats my point.

Edited by c1 at 06:52 CDT, 9 June 2009

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dem0n - Reply to #315

Matchmaking system makes newbies play newbies.

And there goes your argument: broken.

Edited by Dem0n- at 06:24 CDT, 9 June 2009

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c1 - Reply to #376

matchmaking says "skillmatched" on a t6/t7 server -> easy win
matchmaking says "your skill higher" on a dm6 server -> got raped

so what?

Edited by c1 at 06:39 CDT, 9 June 2009

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dem0n - Reply to #384

I guess your home maps are t6/t7 and theirs are dm6. Live with it or train harder dm6...

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c1 - Reply to #417

which means matchmaking got even worse by adding ztn

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dem0n - Reply to #430

adding the best q3duel map ever is sure a bad move for matchmaking :[

<< Comment #402 @ 07:20 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #376

Not really. How about the people which have HI tier? And they will play ztn for their 1st time against a guy who plays this map aprox 8 years?

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dem0n - Reply to #402

let them practice it. the map is too good to be left aside just cause a couple of whiners don't want to get raped by a couple pros even if the map is awesome...

<< Comment #320 @ 04:27 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Makie

ztn is for pussys and +backwarders

Edited by Makie at 04:29 CDT, 9 June 2009

<< Comment #323 @ 04:39 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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becks

change all weapons in the game, especially rail, shaft and rockets they have been around for a gazillion of years and old player are much too good with them.

everyone should have to learn to use new weapons.

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terrorhead - Reply to #323

Rail should be removed.

<< Comment #336 @ 05:20 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Carsomyr

Wow. There was so much whine about the absence of the classic maps, and now that they give it to us, it's just whining and bitching. The e-sports community -- gotta hate it.

<< Comment #342 @ 05:37 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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rexobb

lets all just play qzdm1

<< Comment #345 @ 05:45 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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xoji

Any chance of getting that huge threewave ctf map pack included? :D

I think some of the maps in there will work really well with QL.

<< Comment #387 @ 06:40 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Anonymous (0x50a04b82.unknown.tele.dk) - Reply to #345

5 maps tops. The threewave map pack has LOTS AND LOTS of utterly crap maps that never got played.

<< Comment #385 @ 06:40 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Anonymous (vau75-6-82-237-174-30.fbx.proxad.net)

Explain me how a new quaker can be good and play competition if people play maps for 10 years. It s unfair...

<< Comment #388 @ 06:42 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #385

Though I've played my fair share of Quake, I've pretty much never played ztn, not in Q1 or Q3, as I simply do not duel.

However, it would be foolish of me not to think any opponent I do duel wouldn't have an edge on me, which I do not see a problem with.

<< Comment #394 @ 06:51 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Paladia

ESR before the announcement:
"-QQ QL Sucks no ZTN!!!!, QQ"

ESR after the announcement:
"-QL SUCKS, ONLY ZTN NO NEW MEPS. I STOP PLAY QL AND AVERYONE FOLLOW ME!!!!!!!11"

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<< Comment #395 @ 07:02 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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exp! - Reply to #394

what did u expect?
tardwhine at its best!

<< Comment #405 @ 07:29 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #394

people whining are always louder than those who are content.

<< Comment #406 @ 07:32 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #394

thats not really true
a lot of people here made possitive comments and there also were also some people posting about the problem with old maps for non q3 player or bored q3 players. its just that more people post when they are not satisfied...

<< Comment #400 @ 07:16 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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vedic

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1703601#pid1703601

Best post in the thread. Any other argument for/against the merits of adding ztn is pointless when you consider the effects of bringing the stagnation of Q3 into QL.

It's not that the map itself is to blame, it's the mentality of Quake players who still play dm6 99% of the time in QL/Q3. Granted, it's a lesser evil compared to other maps in QL, but it's not like it was any better in Q3. I'm still trying to figure out how hub managed to make it into regular use.

Unless you are playing in a tournament (nobody is), you should really stop playing maps simply because they are what a tournament might use, or has used in the past. I'm not talking about ztn in this case, but dm6/t4.

<< Comment #404 @ 07:24 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #400

how about because hub is freaking awesome :P

<< Comment #410 @ 07:37 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #404

hub3aeroq3 is not awesome in any way while it has a RG on it.

<< Comment #411 @ 07:39 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #410

That's not to say aerowalk is bad, just that version is pretty terrible for Q3. It's basically all the shit parts of Q3 exacerbated and all the best parts ignored.

<< Comment #416 @ 07:47 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #411

damn fun to play, though.

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fjorgyn - Reply to #410

might be a lot better in ql tho, with only 80 rail dmg, faster rockets, different splash behaviour, weaker lg, stronger sg and different spawn system :)

<< Comment #444 @ 08:55 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #426

Indeed, but I doubt it :P

<< Comment #445 @ 08:58 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #400

One more good map in the rotation on public servers is one more reason for people to play and enjoy the game. It helps people become better players and broaden the range of skills they develop.

Your problem is not with the map being in QuakeLive but with the people that pick it for events. I think you are barking up the wrong tree.

<< Comment #448 @ 09:08 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #445

Quite the opposite. I can agree with it being in events, but people will play dm6/t4/ztn to death simply because they are used by tournaments, even if they will never actually enter a tournament themselves.

ZTN is a good map for tournament play, but there might be others that will be good that likely will never get enough attention simply due to the fact that maps like dm6/t4/ztn exist at all. This stagnation is bad for both casuals and competitors.

<< Comment #452 @ 09:29 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #448

It's in the hands of the organisers to bring good NEW maps into the rotation from time to time. CHOICE is never bad.

There is also a lot that the game's producers can do. Have a "featured demo of the week" section where you put interesting matches people can watch when they are bored. Promote new maps there.

There's something wrong with not wanting a map in a game "because it's too good."

Edited by Carmac at 09:30 CDT, 9 June 2009

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vedic - Reply to #452

Organizers will follow prior tournaments and popular maps, which have already been set in stone by Q3. It's not a complaint due to the quality of the map, it's a complaint against how the community will use it - I said this in my original post.

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<< Comment #545 @ 16:28 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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led - Reply to #457

Basically they're just wasting the perfect opportunity to get some new maps to be played by everyone, wee.

<< Comment #576 @ 04:20 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #457

Just like the ESWC did, right? In case you haven't noticed, they've been searching for new playable maps for years. Where do you think the "hub is the best" rage comes from?

<< Comment #577 @ 04:31 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #576

1 new map in how many years? Also, wasn't it CPL that first used it?

<< Comment #578 @ 04:48 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #577

2004 - ESWC added three CPM maps to the mix (I think cpm1 or something and cpm15, but I am not sure)
2005 - hub stayed and DM13 was brought back as nodm9

I think the important thing is to rotate the map pool so you never say goodbye to a good map forever, but phase it in and out. That's what I'm hoping to do.

<< Comment #580 @ 04:59 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #578

Wasn't 2004 TDM? dm13 wasn't ushered in by ESWC, it was already popular.

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ini - Reply to #580

ESWC 2004 was a National Team Duel event, squad sizes of four and one player per map in a match.

q3dm13 had been dropped for years prior to ESWC 2005 and CPL picked up pro-nodm9 for some reason.

<< Comment #586 @ 05:55 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #584

Yeah, but dm13 was still played throughout the community.

<< Comment #587 @ 06:25 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #586

I struggled to get it played :(

<< Comment #606 @ 11:32 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #586

a brief spurt during Esi/Eso but that was about it

in EU land anyway

<< Comment #481 @ 11:51 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #452

It's not because the maps are "so good". They play because they know these maps. And they played / speced each map like 8.000 times. Community is too lazy to learn new maps or to spec at new ones. ID software should put in this game only new maps, just like they promised.

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Carmac - Reply to #481

Rarely ever do you see a GOOD new map. Granted, people still unwillingly test them out for long enough to find out how good the maps really are, but the problem is with a shortage of good new maps more than it is with people.

<< Comment #581 @ 05:00 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #579

There are quite a few on lvl, just nobody willing to play them.

<< Comment #637 @ 02:01 CDT, 25 June 2009 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #581

I'll play them. Name the good QuakeLive maps for 1v1.

<< Comment #638 @ 06:43 CDT, 25 June 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #637

They haven't been converted for QL... Nobody played any in Q3, so why would then in QL?

<< Comment #639 @ 10:57 CDT, 26 June 2009 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #638

If they haven't been converted to QL, all the more reason to applaud at least the addition of ztn (a good map), instead of lamenting it.

As I said, it's not really ztn's problem that other maps were not adopted. Especially that it's a custom map itself.

<< Comment #640 @ 11:04 CDT, 26 June 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #639

It's not about the lack of maps, it's about the impact that old maps have on the adoption of new maps. ztn would be a great addition if there were already a ton of new great maps to play, but this will only force people out of even considering any new map.

<< Comment #641 @ 04:19 CDT, 28 June 2009 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #640

We're in a world with NO new maps being added (at least not for now) and you're complaining about ZTN being added?

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vedic - Reply to #641

Maybe you left this thread for a week and forgot what we were discussing. New maps that were plenty good came out all the time in Q3, but nobody was at all willing to give up the classics - even though they were terrible. ztn isn't bad, but it will only contribute to the exclusion of any new maps that COULD have come out.

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Carmac - Reply to #642

You would rather wait for who knows how long (could be 4 months, could be 8, could be a year) for a new _good_ map and NOT have an additional very good map in QuakeLive to play in that period of time?

Edited by Carmac at 03:33 CDT, 29 June 2009

<< Comment #644 @ 12:23 CDT, 29 June 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #643

I would rather the game be done well than sacrificing the future for a few cheap thrills now.

<< Comment #645 @ 13:39 CDT, 29 June 2009 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #644

So would you or would you not want to have one extra good map to play in QL while you are waiting (and hoping) for an indefinite amount of time for new good maps to be released?

<< Comment #646 @ 16:58 CDT, 29 June 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #645

I would not.

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Carmac - Reply to #646

Would you go one step further and remove DM6 from the QL map pool? After all, that one prevents people from trying new maps as well.

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vedic - Reply to #647

Most certainly. This game was not ready for open beta, since id are clearly not able or willing to tweak it as it should. Going public, this game had no business with ANY classic map.

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Carmac - Reply to #648

Again: in a perfect world, I'd love QL as a new game, with new maps. But clearly, that is NOT what is happening.

This is why I think it's better to have more good maps than fewer good maps.

As far as I can tell, you would rather see no QuakeLive at all right now if it's not great / perfect / ready. I'll take what I can get, and I'll ask for any kind of improvement that will make my experience with the game better *right now*.

<< Comment #650 @ 12:54 CDT, 30 June 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #649

Cheap thrills will only leave you disappointed later. Yeah, it's not happening right now, so why are you supporting it?

By playing, you are essentially sending the message to id that you like the way they are handling it.

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Carmac - Reply to #650

I do like the way they are handling it. They've giving you a game for free. Can you blame them for not spending 4x more resources on a game which is basically an experiment? Releasing a set of completely new maps which would all be legendary would only make a difference to a very small minority of people (like you.)

I had never really played a Quake prior to QuakeLive, although I've watched a TON of hours of tournament gameplay. I'm LEARNING the game and enjoying myself at it.

Most people who are playing QuakeLive actually could not give a crap about your problem. They like the game. If you don't like it, you can always ask for your money back ;-)

<< Comment #652 @ 04:28 CDT, 1 July 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #651

Releasing a set of completely new maps which would all be legendary would only make a difference to a very small minority of people (like you.)

Not true. Even now, dm6 still gets used for almost everything. Newbies, and even people just moderately familiar with Quake end up following the exact trends that we do.

Most people who are playing QuakeLive actually could not give a crap about your problem. They like the game. If you don't like it, you can always ask for your money back ;-)

This isn't my problem, this is everybody's problem. If you think that the same stagnation that killed Q3 won't kill QL, you're ignorantly optimistic. Supporting these decisions is as dangerous to the community as supporting the CPL. Hiding behind words like beta or experiment is an excuse, and doesn't stand in the way of the game failing.

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Carmac - Reply to #652

If not DM6, there will always be a map to "kill" everything. DM1 in Q2, Deck in UT, DM6 in Q3, Big Game Hunters in SC. It's a natural problem in video games - people tend to overplay the maps which give them the most pleasure. If you get rid of ZTN and DM6, there will be DM21 and DM 29 and the other maps will be ignored.

The real problem with with all video games like Quake 3 is that they only have one wave of players coming into the community. From them on, people lose interest, get jobs, girlfriends, find WoW, get too old, whatever. A game with no consistent influx of players is bound to get stagnant.

A game needs to keep getting NEW players in. [SC2 will be great in this respect because it will have three releases. FIFA is a good model (in a bad game).] That's the main problem imo.

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vedic - Reply to #653

If not DM6, there will always be a map to "kill" everything. DM1 in Q2, Deck in UT, DM6 in Q3, Big Game Hunters in SC. It's a natural problem in video games - people tend to overplay the maps which give them the most pleasure. If you get rid of ZTN and DM6, there will be DM21 and DM 29 and the other maps will be ignored.

BGH is to SC what DOTA is to WC3 - a better example would be lost temple. However, lost temple is popular because it's good, whereas maps like DM6 are only popular because they are just not as bad as the other maps. It's this whole acceptance of "what we can get" instead of striving for excellence that kills quake.

Putting the burden of creativity on the community is a horrible business model. By the time the community can even make anything, people are already set in their ways. The creativity we had? All gone - long since ignored.

<< Comment #543 @ 16:21 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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led - Reply to #452

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It's not because the map is "too good".

<< Comment #401 @ 07:18 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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cyronix '

Adding ztn is a good choice, it is a quality map, proven over time.
The newbs whining around that others have an advantage, should try to learn the map instead ... map knowledge is a factor, but you can catch that up quite fast, once you have some map knowledge, the map knowledge factor by someone really experience does not really matter in contrast to skills like aiming and movement.
1on1 is anyway only for the serious players, it's not really for noobs, they should play ffa, tdm, rocket arena or ctf instead ... 1on1 is where it gets serious ...

<< Comment #425 @ 08:03 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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c1 - Reply to #401

mapknowledge + timing > aim + movement

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cyronix ' - Reply to #425

timing is very important, but not part of mapknowledge.

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13m3 - Reply to #582

of course it is. To get to the items in time, you have to know how much time and how to go from point X to the item. And from the same point X, a different route will take a different time to get to it, and that is map knowledge too...

<< Comment #433 @ 08:19 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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reload

bai bai tourney6!!!

<< Comment #407 @ 07:33 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Kaloos

Why do people bring up "old school players will have an advantage on new players" when the old school players, who must be in the highest skill ranks, will never get to play the newbies ? -_-'

<< Comment #408 @ 07:33 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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koji

i mean I'm all for ztn, hub. But seriously '6 new maps, in 6 weeks' mm lies :(

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Malice - Reply to #408

It would be naive to think all of those 6 maps would be high quality new releases like siberia

<< Comment #412 @ 07:39 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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mefajpE^

So when this map is going to be available?

<< Comment #420 @ 07:51 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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rexobb - Reply to #412

tonight i believe.

<< Comment #432 @ 08:19 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Anonymous (adsl-072-148-135-170.sip.mia.bellsouth.net)

thx sync. keep up the great work. people will come around dont worry

<< Comment #431 @ 08:15 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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calleking

cpm4 please :)

I really can't figured out what is wrong with adding older good and balanced maps while making new ones at the same time?

What else do you want?

Edited by vanion at 08:19 CDT, 9 June 2009

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c1 - Reply to #431

making is a difference to releasing.
btw do you still believe ID is going to release new duel maps? And even they do release. New maps wont be played anyway. Open your ql browser and see yourself. dm6 dm6 dm6

Edited by c1 at 08:25 CDT, 9 June 2009

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nemecel - Reply to #437

Because other duel maps are shit, big deal.

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calleking - Reply to #437

That's the spirit.

<< Comment #434 @ 08:20 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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_agu

muhuhahahaha life has come!

<< Comment #443 @ 08:47 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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KitesAreFun

ID must be kicking themselves in amazement. They release a good, proven map... and now a tissue needing whine-orgy ensues.

ONLY and I repeat ONLY a crew that cares would have EVER made efforts to bring this map to Quake Live.

Sure there are valid complaints (Vedic takes kindly to a decent one), but look at the big picture.

<< Comment #446 @ 09:00 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr

ESR trolls @ work ftw

<< Comment #454 @ 09:33 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Aquashark '

look at all the plusses Sync got.. so stfu whiners :)

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vedic - Reply to #454

sif plusses actually had anything to do with the value of the content

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Memento_Mori ' - Reply to #461

Are you trying to justify your popularity or what?

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vedic - Reply to #465

I don't want plusses, but it happens anyway. I spent one month being extra mean, but I can't get under 70%.

<< Comment #463 @ 09:49 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Memento_Mori '

This is a great thing for quake live and its community.

People here are confusing the availability of the maps with the map pools for tournaments. There is no way on earth that having more maps at disposal is a bad thing, and you're just close minded if you think otherwise.

What can be a problem is stagnation in the map pool for tournaments. This is something that goes along the lines of having a small unorganized community with no recognized authority (a federation or a similar entity) that is willing and has the consensus to promote change. Pretending to reach innovation by removing a map from the game is just ridiculous and narrow minded. You need good alternative maps and tournaments organizers that promote them.

Quake Live is going on the direction of making this evolution possible and what it really needs is to grow in users count. The problem of old player smashing newbie's teeth was there right from the start and it's not ZTN that will change this. The whole point of the skill matching - which still has a long way ahead - is exactly to deal with this. Just give them time, and it will eventually solve the problem.

Edited by Memento_Mori at 09:50 CDT, 9 June 2009

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Anonymous (cm56-148-76.liwest.at)

My bottom line here is: ZTN is a cool map, and I think it's good that it has been added. But please bring on some new maps as well and add them to tournament's mappools (like Quakecon)

<< Comment #475 @ 10:35 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr

plz 1000 comments

<< Comment #478 @ 11:16 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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[mash]

it's just ztn guys. calm down.

<< Comment #480 @ 11:43 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Aquashark '

by the way Sync.. would you be so kind to tell us what is Sten doing nowdays and give some details about how you aproached him and what were his reactions?

actually someone should do an interview with him :)

<< Comment #482 @ 11:56 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #480

i dont think he gonna see ur message with 500 another msgs \:D/

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Nukm - Reply to #480

seconded

<< Comment #489 @ 12:18 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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nemecel

So tomorrow is released?

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CAREEM - Reply to #489

Today it is and you know that. Anyway, don't worry we will reach 1000+ comments :)

<< Comment #493 @ 12:27 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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V1R7U4L

AND NOW CAN YOU PLEASE PUT SERVERS IN SOUTH AMERICA? WE ARE WAITING FOR ALMOST A YEAR.

<< Comment #496 @ 12:51 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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CAREEM

rapha, purri, dahang, stermy, vo0 and the rest of pro gamers want to have new maps. You should listen to them. Vo0 already gave nice short explanation why so. If you want to read it then scroll up a bit.

One example of vo0's post: "Give me a new map for quake3, and give me 10 hours on it and give any other player 10 hours on it, the result is going to be a lot closer than if you put us against each other on dm6.
Everyone knows every single situation. Why? Because they have played the same scenario over and over again. They know all the best positions to fight from, they know the key rail shots, they know the sounds positioning, they know the spawnpoints, they know every possible routes, it just gives so much more advantage to a player who hasn't completely overplayed the map."

Give to the community new duel maps and lower the advantage between Q3 players and the rest of the gamers.

Edited by CAREEM at 12:54 CDT, 9 June 2009

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fjorgyn - Reply to #496

5 ppl are not everyone.

Tho it might be true that most _also_ want new maps, those new maps have to be good as well. And just because we have new maps as well doesnt mean we can't keep old classic ones.

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CAREEM - Reply to #500

True, but those classic old ones will put away the new ones. Because Q3 community will dislike every new map of QL since they will have to learn something new. Very good example are T7 and T6, I have never played or seen T6 before QL, but Q3 players did. And for every Q2 player is this map really great. Few examples: me, Blanka, 1o1, Damiah..., we really like T6. But every Q3 player says, remove T6 since ztn is here.

Hope you get my point. Thats why the old maps shouldnt be included in QL.

Edited by CAREEM at 13:19 CDT, 9 June 2009

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ddk - Reply to #502

t6 is an old map :e, but noone ever duelled on it because it was pretty poor for it. but the 2v2s on it were always good!

Edited by ddk at 13:23 CDT, 9 June 2009

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fjorgyn - Reply to #502

t6 is simply a FUCKING RETARDED RAILWHORE map.

t7 is getting played by pros, and wont get removed from mappools (unless smth better comes along). You don't seem to get that everyone is fine with new maps, as long as they are good. Or maybe you just don't have a fucking clue about maps.

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CAREEM - Reply to #505

"t6 is simply a FUCKING RETARDED RAILWHORE map."

I believe, ztn will be much more rail whoring.

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oneroomdisco - Reply to #505

Am I the only one who actually LIKES T6?

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Lethe - Reply to #513

its not possible to like t6, cause its crap.

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ChOu - Reply to #513

T6 is OK, but the first who picks rail and has just a little bit of skill will win the map :)

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oneroomdisco - Reply to #516

I find that you can usually know when they're going for rail in the beginning of the match, and if you're predict it right, you rush with LG or rockets and they're fucked. Plus you have a free rail. =)

<< Comment #523 @ 14:25 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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ChOu - Reply to #518

Really thank you Gillz, u saved my life from now on i'll pick t6 as my fav map for tourneys...

PS: NO

<< Comment #542 @ 16:14 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #513

i know damiah likes it :D

<< Comment #508 @ 13:30 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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reyu

going for the 1000 comments.

<< Comment #517 @ 14:08 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Badb0y

its great to play ztn in quake live. and its an honor for ztn and the good layout.

in the future i hope a mapcontest is coming to bring fresh maps. as many said before me.

<< Comment #527 @ 14:30 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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ChOu

Mr. Sten "ztn" Uusvali let us know ur thoughts about the addition of the map :D

<< Comment #528 @ 14:31 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #527

prolly smth like

$$$

<< Comment #531 @ 14:39 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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fazz

ztn, GREAT. Better than nothing, bet it will be über fucked with the spawn system tho.

But as others states above, the best thing would be a completely new map-pool of 5 maps. And "furious lol" NOT being one of em.

<< Comment #536 @ 15:05 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #531

the will sooner find the philosopher's stone than 5 maps quakers will be happy with.

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fazz - Reply to #536

[theory]I think the most likely way to get a new 5 map map-pool would be to release a bunch of maps and just let the players find the 5 that works best out of them. Instead of giving them 5 and tweaking them for 4 years. Cause that have produced like 1 map in q3 that was semi accepted(pukka4lol3 or whatever). I mean, ztn and hub was for q1, and dm6 t4 and dm13 was released together with a lot of other maps. If there was one guy, just one, who really knew how to make good 1v1 maps, we would have seen more of em. But no, no one really knows. [/theory]

And since people can't release their own maps for QL, and ID is veeery unlikely to do it. I think we're stuck with dm6 ztn t4 dm13 and furious lol for another X years.

<< Comment #541 @ 16:13 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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retire - Reply to #540

swap t9 for t7 or dm13 ?

<< Comment #594 @ 08:32 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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fazz - Reply to #541

t9 ? :D

<< Comment #544 @ 16:26 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #540

That theory could have worked if they opened the beta with all new maps and none of the old ones. No way you will get them to give up dm6/pt4/ztn now.

<< Comment #593 @ 08:32 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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fazz - Reply to #544

Yea I guess thats pretty true..

<< Comment #550 @ 17:49 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Fjoggs

I'm sure the amount of good maps for duels etc for vq3/ql would been higher if the players would be more helpful. Someone hosting tournaments, cups etc consisting of nothing but new maps.

Only place I've seen this is the so-called elitist cpma-community.
I mean, there's alot of douchebags in this communtiy aswell, no question, but filter that out and you got a fuckload of people willing to spend hours with you trying to perfect a map, giving off suggestions and pointers. Naturally, they'll do it while calling you a faggot and suggest you go have sexual intercourse with someones mother, but that's part of the game.

My point is, you brought this upon yourselves. Creating a good map isn't as easy as you think. It requires support, and sadly, I haven't seen alot of that from the vq3 community. (I'm talking about vq3 because most of the ql players came from there I suppose)

PS: And yes, mapping contests for QL is a great idea. No money, no prizes, just having a chance to see your map getting played by people all over the world. I'd enter in an instant.

<< Comment #554 @ 18:54 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Liam

I'm a bit annoyed, I usually decide how I feel about something by how idiots feel about it. However: Jamerio is against it but Yeltsin is for it.

I don't know what to do :/

Please + me before yeltsin ragedeletes this post.

<< Comment #560 @ 22:38 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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26671

If only id's mappers had the originality and creativity to create a new map as good as this one...

<< Comment #562 @ 22:53 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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Liam - Reply to #560

fat nerd

<< Comment #563 @ 22:57 CDT, 9 June 2009 >>

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26671 - Reply to #562

brit nerd

<< Comment #613 @ 17:53 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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Liam - Reply to #563

My queen owns your country nerd :D

<< Comment #616 @ 00:57 CDT, 11 June 2009 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #560

ztns layout is pretty fucking shit actually. It was a good map in year 1997 but thats about it.

<< Comment #571 @ 03:14 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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Anonymous (bas18-toronto12-1177683327.dsl.bell.ca)

The problem is maps. There are few GOOD maps. We need 20 maps as good as ztn/dm6 etc but each different.

But we never get to test any maps, because we are lazy as shit to duel our friends on new maps. :(

<< Comment #565 @ 00:57 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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Bono

when i refreshed all the duel severs today, every thing one of them was on ztn:P

<< Comment #568 @ 02:31 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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squishy

you all whine like little girls :/

<< Comment #569 @ 02:31 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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squishy

good read tho :)

<< Comment #574 @ 04:02 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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koji

Good ole tdm is back yayy

<< Comment #585 @ 05:42 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #574

\o/

Bet CB doesn't change till after group stage (if at all).

<< Comment #583 @ 05:18 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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cyronix '

maybe ultrav from qw would also be a good map for ffa!?

<< Comment #617 @ 00:58 CDT, 11 June 2009 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #583

best ffa map ever :D

<< Comment #589 @ 08:18 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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ChOu

CB needs to change TDM Settings to PROTDM! But would be hard because 2 or more matches have been played....

Hope they change it :)

<< Comment #590 @ 08:19 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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Splashhh

About new maps:

I know few good maps like ztn and not so furious in q3:

ztn2dm3 (Q2 Rage, 1x1, 2x2)
Ospdm8 (1x1, 2x2)
cpm9 (4x4)

and not furious but great:

Rota3dm2
Rota3dm1
Rota3tourney1 (maybe)
ztndm3 (Q1)

SyncError and ppl who want new maps PLEASE TAKE A LOOK ON IT !!! Specially ROTA3DM1 & ROTA3DM2. HF.

I tired to read .) All i want is more good maps.

<< Comment #597 @ 08:42 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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Lethe

implementing ztn in quakelive is NOT the problem. its a choice, play or don't. its just 1 map. the guys who want it can play it. the guys who dont want it, won't play it. whats the fucking problem?

implementing ztn in quakelive TOURNAMENTS is something different.

<< Comment #601 @ 09:44 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #597

Faggot. Will happen because ztn is better/can replace any of the maps being used in the 1v1 mappool.

<< Comment #603 @ 09:59 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #597

someone replied me here but either its someone from the ignorelist, or esr is bugged again

<< Comment #604 @ 10:11 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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vedic - Reply to #603

Oh, I get it, it's the ol' "I'll tell people I put someone on the ignore list to look cool, but I won't really put them on ignore in case I want to defend myself."

<< Comment #605 @ 10:16 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #604

Not expecting less from the mighty Lethe.

<< Comment #602 @ 09:46 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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Kidsmoke

I disapprove.

<< Comment #607 @ 11:42 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr

ze magic esr trolls @ w0rk

<< Comment #610 @ 16:04 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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spartaz0rd

i think we need a contest for maps .Every month a mapcontest for duel tdm tdm ca.

<< Comment #611 @ 17:30 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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per1klez

I'm not expecting anything new at this point, so far of the 4 maps introduced by id we have:

Hidden Fortress - old crappy dreamcast port, No One wants to play this map in tdm/ca/whatever
Siberia - the only good release thus far.
Bloodlust - old 3wave map no one played.
ztn - old duel map everyone played.. does this mean we can expect to see hub ported over as well?

Of the 4 maps of the 6 released thus far we have 1 new and awesome map, and 3 old maps ported over, 2 of which are crap.
Way to go ID with 6 new maps in 6 weeks...

/me goes back to playing qw.

<< Comment #625 @ 10:42 CDT, 12 June 2009 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #611

Agree, the qw mapping community is vibrant!!! /sarcasm

<< Comment #612 @ 17:31 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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oneroomdisco

Anyone find that ZTN in QL allows for more GL spam and players are abusing it? With the way the weapon ammo system works, they can just sit there all day and spam non-stop, whereas in Q3 they would run out of ammo.

Just a thought.

<< Comment #614 @ 23:17 CDT, 10 June 2009 >>

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fazz - Reply to #612

What do u mean? U got new gl ammo before u could shot the first 10 in q3 aswell. weaponspawn 5 on ztn

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ini - Reply to #614

Gillz never knows what the fuck he is talking about.