a man of knowledge is speaking :[ ]

Yay! :D
I completely agree, as I remember Av3k being raped by noctis online a couple of months before ESWC Masters of Paris, and then Av3k putting in a very strong performance come tournament time.
I think its the same story again.

nice spoiler in the second line

fucking moron

I'm very sorry, its the first time i made a demo post ;(. I should have thought about that !

let this rosbeef alone, always angry..

thx for upload

don't apologize, this aaron is just a freakin idiot

uhm no? its common sense, if you're gonna be the one to upload a demo that someone else would've uploaded otherwise, don't be an idiot and spoil it in the actual post.

thx for uploading, but a really unnecessary description ...

But of the current active Quake live players the best are noctis spartie bodzo and stermy.

Don't forget rapha

there are other players who are active but only playing with fakes and not showing themself that are at least strong as all of us.....

You make it sound like some secret society of aliasers! :P

haha yeah, just what I thought

yeah like fox :) dont know another players who have this skill and playing with fakes :> atleast in eu

lol , it probably isn't a lot of players , maybe 1 or 2 using multiple aliases?

"others" *pssh* what's yours again ? :D

like noctis ?

Is it best out of five?

a little rage at the end of g2 so I doubt that player would have played a third for no reason

Thanks, was hoping someone would upload these :)

I find it quite interesting to see how offensive avek plays even when his game isn't on top :)

av3k will catchup by quakecon

after his rage here he has something to prove :p

My prediction:

Stermy rages this butt nugget wherever the match takes place.

happened before with noctis online

i went on a lol poland is shit spree after taht game, then avek improved tenfold and won during lan :\

normalka

avek is russian anyway!

he is a trashtalker, like his idol cooller, he always has something to prove ;P

He's not really like cooller, he's just a little brat prick.

LOL UR STUPID

couldn't agree more ... hope he gets butt raped like that many more times .. maybe it will teach him to behave a bit more professionally.

cooller's trash talk always had a certain style.

Also:

BEST PLAYER EVER

Still... I did find that +forward at the 1 min mark (I think) of game three kinda funny, as he raged Stermy (with rail gun out CSing his pants all over the place) from the RA and killed Stermy.

But c'mon people... did you REALLY think Avek stood a chance vs Stermy, with no with practice? I don't think he'll win with practice.

disagree

avek is world class in right up there with cypher & rapha, a small band of players that can win matches vs other top level players whether their aim is superior or not. Even in this match you had glimpses of his ballsy surprise +fwd attacks that none of the cautious aim-heavy on-liners competing in these fun cups can do. With just a little more sharpness in terms of precision and map knowledge, that will come with practice, he would have a very good chance of winning matches like this.

Stermy's probably the best ql player in eu at the moment and I think he will win many ql tourneys, but I still think he has some work to do to match the all round game skill of the very top dogs

We'll see... shortly.

you conveniently leave out spartie who has proved himself to be at the same level if not better as avek in q3. He does play in these what you call quakelive "fun cups" and it's not like he is slayering everyone with ease.So there is no reason to believe why avek.with "more practice" would do significantly better.

greenbastard seems to have forgotten the performances of these 'online heroes' last year...

like a 2nd place @ masters of athen?

2nd place is the first loser.

Just watched all three. A few comments:

1. I think the nodm9 pretty much settled the timelimit debate: 10 minutes clearly does not prevent +back play. Now I'm not against +back at all, but it's illuminating that the chief argument for 10 min matches is that they encourage less defensive time-wasting - if anything, time-wasting is a much more useful tactic now. An early lead can be held for 5 minutes quite easily, where 10 minutes leaves ample time for a comeback.

2. Stermy was clearly playing Quake Live, whereas Avek still looked very much like a Q3 player. I don't enjoy Stermy's QL style, and I can see why so many are resistant to it, but you have to give him credit for doing what works. The fault is the game's, not his.

3. Fast (5 sec?) weapon respawn is a problem. What is this, FFA? Fast respawning removes an important element of map control from the game.

4. Combined with point 3, the ammo boost on weapon pickup is an even bigger problem. Has anyone else noticed how ammo crates are so much less important now? Or how virtually every fight devolves into mid-range LG because both players always have 2049280952785 cells?

5. The Quake Live site really needs a demo playback option. I'm getting tired of having to rename all my QL demos to stermy5, fooki7, spartie2, etc, just so I can remember the freaking file name.

6. Holy shit the hitboxes are huge.

In sum, Quake Live still needs some work.

copy paste?

I haven't read all comments on QL, so I'm sure to be repeating some points made by others.

i meant demo names :D

Oh, see #33 :)

The weaponrespawn is very weird indeed, T4 has 15sec but all other maps 5. Super-stupid :p

The only map that currently needs weaponrespawn 5 is t9.

http://www.pokerwhine.com/

Tg influenz nooob spermy sucker

wasn't it some weird 12 seconds on t4? or have they changed it to 15?

Don't know about before, but its 15 now.

it has always been 15 on pro-t4 and every other pro-map.

yeah, i'm talking about qztourney4.
at first is was 5 seconds for a very long time, then if i recall correctly they changed it to 12 seconds... thats where i might be mistaken tho, cant remember.
got nothing to do with pro maps tho

what, they boosted ammo in QL?

wow, that was a problem in VQ3, way too much ammo making boxes near pointless for majority of weapons

and they have boosted the ammo counts? srs?

I mean you basically get another ammo pack whenever you pick up a weapon. So, you hang around the spawn for 5 secs, pick it up again, and you have double the ammo.

that never worked in VQ3 unless you had under a certain amount of ammo :(

fkin ql

Indeed.

"I'm getting tired of having to rename all my QL demos"

Click demo file, press F2, press CTRL+C, type "demo" in console and press CTRL+V, and then press Enter.

That's even more work, gaddammat!$!%^^!£

(Edit: I thought this was obvious - you have to exit or window QL to copy-paste from each demo.)

(Edit 2: Either way you have to open the QL directory, and I don't feel like cluttering up my desktop with a link to it.)

Tried doing /fdir demos* and then entering the demoname? Guess it won't work if you have many demos but still an option i think.

I didn't know about that - but having to retype long demo names is even more work.

(Come on people, that's fairly low down on my list of criticisms. I really could live with the lack of an integrated demo list if they fixed the other problems :P)

there's a greasemonkey script which adds a "play demo..." link (serverbrowser...something). one of the most annoying things about ql really... because it would be so easy to fix for them now that we have this web based stuff already.

I prefer it cus I don't like to rename the demos.

Timelimit doesn't make a difference to defensive tactics, that's the problem with duel the way it is structured.

well there is a difference between +back, taking some rails and stealing armors (which i think is absolutely fine and not boring) and just plain hiding. hiding isnt a long term option so it can only be applied in the last minutes. when you have tl10, it can be half of the game, when you have tl 15 it can only be one third of the whole time

Don't be ridiculous, if hiding is so effective for five minutes, then it's potentially just as effective for longer.

Just ask b100.death...

dont think so, its just a way to minimize the number of times you get fragged in a certain time. in no way is it a way to play a whole match.

Just ask b100.death, he did pretty good for massive amounts of time with tiny leads.

All that time limit 10 does is promote a different style of play. Not better not worse just different. Why exactly is everything supposed to be like quake 3? Why do duels need to be 15 minutes? Why not 20 or 30 minutes?. The only argument most people seem to have is, it was like that in quake3 so it must be like that in quakelive.

I read some really dumb comments, like "now it's possible to go up by 5 frags in the first couiple of minutes and hide for the rest of the game". Well guess what, maybe in timelimit 10 you shouldn't give your opponent 5 frags in the first couple of minutes.

What time limit 10 changes compared to time limit 15 is it reduces the margin of error. You cannot start carelessly and expect to make it up later, you need to be concentrated right from the start.

All that time limit 10 does is promote a different style of play. Not better not worse just different. Why exactly is everything supposed to be like quake 3? Why do duels need to be 15 minutes? Why not 20 or 30 minutes?. The only argument most people seem to have is, it was like that in quake3 so it must be like that in quakelive.

well your making this too easy. i dont think that its just different, i think we can also judge if we like how the tl affects the game. im not even sure what i prefere, but we should at least discuss the pros and cons...
i think we can agree that 20+ mins is too long. its boring to play a long time when its obvious who is going to win and when its close, its hard to concentrate for such a long time without a pause. also bo3 matches would just take too long.
tl 10 on the other site makes every frag more important and allows us to maybe extend to bo5 matches or to finish tournaments in a shorter amount of time. also when the skill gap is noticeable, its definitely enough to show the better player without having to play for a long time although you already know who is going to win. on the other hand, as i see it, it also favors to play defensively for a big part of the whole time and decreases the amount of time both palyers are willing to fight for control. it also makes comebacks harder. (wich may or not be a good thing)
tl 15 is the q3 default. does this mean we have to use it? no. but it does mean that we know that it works.

so what is the better tl? i am not sure. but i guess tl 10 for publics and tl 15 for tournaments would be a good way to go.

p.s.: maybe we should do a poll about this

I think polls on esreality about these sort of issues are rather pointless due to the q3 bias here.

And about comebacks. I think one of the biggest problems in quakelive (and all other quake's) is unbalanced maps. This is just a bad idea on the highest level. When the players are so close in skill. a opening spawn should not decide half of the match. One of the worst maps in this regard is dm6 (which is ironically one of the most played) and timelimit 10 only makes this worse.

I think all the maps should be as balanced as possible, in the sense that if the players are on opposite sides of the map they should have access to the same amount of armour (e.g. t4). This would make the games more fair, closer and as a result more interesting and not lead to these blowout scores between players of similar skill.

hmm, true
although i think the opening spawns on dm6 are rather good. you can always get mh or ra if you play safe and sometimes take the risk to deal damage but then you may lose your item
ztn for example feels more annoying in that regard

Except the SG spawn.

where can the other guy spawn to take away mh?

LG, obviously.

never happened to me in the last 2-3 month

Play some more. Or watch more demos. It's really a common scenario that the guy with the SG spawn gets neither MH nor RA.

did about 150 duels on dm6 in the last months, and i honestly cant remember that this happened

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1716888

First dm6 demo.
Now guess why Spart1e kills himself. ;)

guess what, that is... q3
doesnt happen in ql afaik

Umm, true, that's q3. \o/

I can't think of a reason why this shouldn't also apply to QL, though.
Sure, the SG is stronger, but this can't possibly fix it.

I must admit that I only played a couple of duels on dm6 in QL, but I don't think the spawns were that different.

it has nothing to do with sg beeing stronger
i havent seen such start scenario in ql, seams like the current spawnsystem isnt allowing this constellation.

That'd be kinda weird, because there are at least 3 spawns which will give you both MH and RA when the enemy spawns at SG.

So I can't believe that the QL spawnsystem prevents this from happening, but I'd be glad to be proven wrong.

they have been messing with the starting spawns so stuff like this wont happen as often.. also /kill is removed so that strat cant work anyways

guess they just removed that spawn

they just moved it to the SG entrance

which is fine, cause the other guy is spawning at ra stairs and can only spam down to mh but not steal it without taking a big risk

anyway, if id was willing to adjust the dm6 spawns, they are probably also willign to fix other maps. maybe we need to make a list of spawn pairs that are unfair, for all of the maps. i really hate some ztn spawns

ztn spawns are near perfect

in fact, as shit as the vq3 spawn system is, the starting spawns (with the exception of a few) are very balanced

If you play a best of 5 in q3a, I think the spawns are very fair on average.

However, UT2k4's item spawn system is still far superior. Delay all powerups for about 30 secs after the match starts. GG.

eh?

at least 3?

lol what?

The spawn at gl feels worse on ztn now then it did in q3, anytime you get that you're pretty much down by 200 h/a at the start and sometimes if the other guy gets a certain spawn you cant get a single armor. It's ridiculous. t7 seems to be decent for the start. t9 the spawn right next to lg in the beginning can be very unfair. Pretty much a garunteed kill in middle with that one every time. dm13 I'm not sure, I haven't run into too many problems. Maybe once or twice but i'll have to play it more to see again.

i disagree, just goto RL as the enemy won't have that.. hit 1 rocket and you have the advantage

btw, the above is sarcasm on how flawed ql is

if you are talking about ztn:

The chance that the opponent spawned at RL when you spawn at GL is ridiculous high so that move is kinda stupid as well. GL is really a shit spawn now (not like it ever was any good, just now its really retarded).

GL spawn = safe mh ;)

lol

shouldve linked this one instead isnt it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgNzHYGX__w&feature=related

now, THATS skill !!

Two spawns near LG and one spawn on the stairs near LG iirc.
Q3, i.e.

they removed LG spawn. Closest is the middle of stairs, at lg/rl ammo spot (if it were q3, I think it's just rl ammo in ql)
That was really important, and essentially "fixed" DM6 on ql, imo.

they didn't remove lg spawn, it just happens less often.

I'd say the fairest "pairing" of spawns on ztn would be PG/YA vs RL/YA (low).

They don't need to be even in the way you suggest they just need to have starting spawns that allow even access at the start of the game to the same resources.

That's if you want to keep a timelimit based duel system which will always result in dead time and unfair results (luck spawns et cetera).

They should try to minimize the luck though

You could change the opening spawns, but when there is a uneven amount of armour on the map someone is always going to have a big advantage. They could make a map like dm6 ten times better by simply changing the red into a yellow armour. That way regardless of the first spawn (or later spawns) both players will nearly always end up with a even amount of armour.

Okay one will grab the mh and the other doesn't but that is acceptable..Right now when one player has both ra and mh control is simply too strong. And this player is usually able to grab the ya as well simply locking the entire map down.

Thats just outdated and bad game mechanics imho, which only exist due to historical reasons. If they really want quakelive to be a "sport" they should try to eliminate luck as much as possible making the game as fair as possible.

mmm quakelive sport mmm

im for 15mins 10 is too random, pls open the poll!

Saw this a couple of times happened not just at stermy-av3k dm13 map but aswell at dm6 spart-bodzo on bigfoot and theres dozens of other examples...the opposite player just gets fedup realising he cant make a comeback in the last 4-3mins and starts goffing around! :(

Edit:
They should at least make servers the same way they did with TDM open those "pro" settings servers and make dm6+t4 15s weaprespawn and the rest should stay 5s and timelimit 15mins...

Going extremely defensive is risky, because you put yourself in situations where you give up control and you cant make frags, while your opponent can.
b100.death got away with it a few times, but this fails more times, than it is succesful. He also stopped playing like this later; and look what happened to lexer every time he started running ^^

I dunno, it placed him well in many, many tournaments including a great win in Holland.

It also lost Fatal1ty quite a few games in Quake 3 and UT2004.

If you hide well, then your opponent only has so many windows of oportunity to attack you with a decent chance of success.

While you criticise how duel works, I like its continuous nature. I like intelligent match openings, I like how one player very often has to assume the role of the "control underdog". I like how after a well-practiced match beginning, players are forced to analyse everything on the fly.

I just like duel the way it is, as long as the mid game is long enough.

The continuous nature need not be removed.

With more evenly balanced maps and the ability to choose starting spawns (alternating first picks), it would still play an important and interesting role. You, hopefully, will have removed the giant advantage a starting spawn can give you and you're left with the battle for control (just without fragging) which is the best bit, as opposed to 5minutes of biased fragging, 5minutes of even play and finishing with 5minutes of fragging.

This is a really interesting idea.

Check out Hoony mode in CPMA.

2. if you're talking about stermy being defensive (or brainless, botty) compared to av3k, i'm pretty sure that's just the difference in styles between the players
3. all i know is lg is pretty useless in general compared to vq3 so i'm guessing you must be wrong about that.
6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbf1FUgTZns

Aaah, excellent video. I had no idea it was just a demo problem (probably shows I don't play the actual game enough).

Regarding 2, my point was that (as far as I've seen) Stermy takes QL's quirks into account more than other players - things like playing to the 10 min timelimit, whoring the weapons for ammo, choosing his attacks to take advantage of the changed weapon balance, etc. Avek still looks like he's playing Q3.

And as for 3, I'm not saying QL's LG is more powerful, I'm saying it seems to be used more often. And my guess is that this is due to the ammo problem.

of u say that ppl using in ql lg more that in q3 than u never played vq3

I'm talking about high-level demos. I've seen far more wide use of weapons in Q3 than (_so far_) in QL.

way more rocket use in ql than in q3.

in vq3 was only lg + rg in ql is now rl + lg + rg
btw i am talking about HIGHHH LEVEL demos toooo

Though Walter's video tells a different story!

WHO SHOULD I BELIEVE?!!$!^%$£

:/

i personally believe there is a somewhat noticeable issue, but just on lower pings. i used to not have any problems with the netcode, and i still don't think i can hit when lagging the crosshair behind my enemy the vast majority of the time, and, the vast majority of the time i'm playing with ~60-80 ping. i'm kinda confident that the times that i've noticed actual missed shots hitting is when playing on ~30-40 ping (swedish) servers.

still, people thinking they can draw conclusions from demos or speccing is part of the reason why there's so many people whining about the netcode, and why they're so vocal about it.

(tl;dr: both.)

What ping was that video made at?

60-80

no wait which are you talking about? mine or walter/darko's? they did 'em at 30-40 i think

I meant yours, thanks.

At least for zero ping, from what I've seen against bots... it seems you have to aim pretty much on the hitbox to hit, although RG feels weird no matter what the ping is.

well, bots do move retardedly slow. of course either 0 or 30-40 ping could also be tweaked/bugged to be the exception to whatever the "rule" is.

never played OSP :D ?

Remove dm6/t6 and fix the starting spawns of the rest of the maps and tl 10 will be fine imo.

Dm13 could do with a few tweaks though to make it a little harder to +b.

-dm6? r u tryng to make jokes or what ffs

greasemonkey is easy demo playback..

link?

http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11140

nice, didnt know the alternate server browser had this kind of demo function
but its still not a real solution, you still have to copy the files into the correct folder and copy the filename/rename the file

I don't think timelimit has anything to do with anything. The same tactics apply and work regardless of the timelimit.

If a player has control, the other player *should* be looking to take control back regardless of how much time is left. If the player is only up by one frag (whether there be 1 minute or 6 minutes left), it's his decision or not to attempt to take back control or just run-run-run.

I've seen the problem arise playing with 10 mins that when there is a bad spawn for a player at the beginning, and there still are bad spawn combinations no matter what the map :/. It can be extremely difficult for the down player to regain control. Sometimes it's taking almost the entire game to be the one in control. When they finally have it they are down 7-8 with 1-2 mins left. Making it virtually impossible to comeback. The extra 5 mins tends to allow for games like this to have a better balance of both players having more control.

Yeapp, there exists alot of fucked up starting situations in QL.

That should pretty much identify the main problem here :)

- Starting Spawns which suck
- Timelimit based duels

yeah, lets start playing frag limited duels :o]

Where does it end though, just because 15 mins became popular wtih q3 doesnt necessarily mean its for the best. You could argue that a 30 min duel would allow for plenty of back and forth and closer games.

I personally prefer 10 mins.

Although I too prefer 10 minutes, you could argue that 15 minutes is the minimum timelimit to allow comebacks from bad spawns and such... Even if that were true, I think the benefits of 10 minutes outweigh the disadvantages.

what exactly are the benefits? dont see any tbh

It seems to me that the same unfortunate spawns can happen in the last 5 minutes of a 15 minute match as would happen in the first 5 minutes of a game (regardless of the timelimit).

Luck happens to be apart of the game. And mostly all games (with chess, the only exception being someone who ignorantly makes a smart or a bad move without realizing it).

EDIT: If we're going to say that time means less bad-luck, then why not 20 minute duels? or 25? Then it becomes more about endurance of a player's ability to focus.

While this is a bad analogy, I think it represents a good concept to keep in mind. In olympic wrestling, players are given chances at both advantageous and disadvantageous positions. So couldn't we say a player that begins a game at a disadvantage should have just as much practice learning to RETAKE control rather than just learning how to KEEP it. There's just as much skill in both of these aspects of the game.

you have a starting spawn after five minutes?

Advantageous spawns can happen at any time during a game. Same as unlucky spawns.

Start spawns only represent a fairly decent chance of who will take control first. But again, this is based on player experience/skill.

hadn't thought about that, you're right.

But I do think the starting spawn influence is the "worst" because there is nothing you can do about it. During the game you at least have a chance to expect the upcomiong spawn and take the items etc.
Still having opponent spawn on red on hub will always sucks :)

Just another reason to add to the list of why hub3aeroq3 is a terrible map.

ur not really offering any good arguments for staying with 10 min tl. infact ur not even giving ones for not going back to 15. i could just as easily say that the only reason they went to 10 min tl for duels was because it was better for pub mode.

overall from what ive so far seen from the few high level cup games we've had, theres less swings in games with 10 min timelimits. maybe this is just me, maybe its the players mentality when they see that they only have to hold out for say 5 mins as opposed to 10 with slim leads. no matter what u say staying focussed enough to play defensive for 10 mins is a lot harder than doing it for 5. especially when its not ur natural state.

personally i think it should stay at 10 on pub servers, and 15 for tournies/priv servers. perhaps even make it voteable and/or configurable on priv servers.

I wasn't arguing for one or the other and I wasn't trying to offer any alternatives. I was pointing out that it seems negligible. Especially rapha's argument, to me, seems not to indicate any real difference between 10 and 15.

Saying that a start spawn should dictate a whole game is a bit of a surrender, at least it seems that way to me. The "better" player should know how to play his games from a disadvantaged position just as much as a a skilled player should play from the in-control (advantaged) position. My analogy of Olympic wrestling, I think, illustrates what I mean.

The only difference, in my opinion, between 10 and 15 minutes is the length of time a player can intensely concentrate on the game.

dont run we can be friends!

I think the bigger problem with +back in qlive is fast and powerful rockets compared to other weapons and slow movement. Powerful rockets work better in games like quakeworld and cpma where its much easier to attack because of the movement. If you look at the dm13 game for example it's almost impossible for av3k to attack when stermy just +backs and spams rockets.

true....wish they would have kept the lesser splash damage rockets

The splash radius/damage is a bit much with the speed.

rockets r too powerful... SUUUURE... so u cant use them right... funny

r0x works really great at quake2 aswell, I think in Q2 the most! If u hit him there with r0x you will do indcredible damage.

Q2 rockets are all on valium, though.

in q2 you fire a few rockets and then try chase the opponent into them for a minute or two.

hahaha

Almost true actually, in q2 you shoot where you think/know your enemy will go instead of where he is. Different strategy, different game :)

OR, you can shoot a few rockets to your enemies left and force him to go right then trap him until he cant go right and finish him of.

a short interview with avek before his with stermy game, but someone need to translate it :)

"• Spa: Może zechciałbyś udzielić mi krótkiego wywiadu na orga?
• Av3k: OK
• Spa: Jakie były Twoje odczucia, kiedy otrzymałeś zaproszenie do turnieju?
• Av3k: :D
• Av3k: Nie miałem żadnych odczuć. Turniej to turniej. Jest to dobre przygotowanie na QuakeCon, który już niedługo, a ja ostatnio mało grałem.
• Spa: Jak oceniasz swoje szanse w turnieju?
• Av3k: Do tego turnieju w ogóle się nie przygotowywałem, ponieważ jest to turniej online, który mało znaczy i nie przykładam uwagi do tego typu zawodów. Najważniejsze są turnieje lanowe. Myślę, że nie dojdę nawet do top3.
• Spa: Wiele osób uważa, że zadziwisz wszystkich. Co Ty na to?
• Av3k: Też mi się tak wydaje. Zadziwię, ale nie pozytywnie.
• Spa: Jak podchodzisz do dzisiejszego meczu pokazowego ze Stermym?
• Av3k: Wiem, że Stermy bardzo chce wygrać ten mecz, bo wykłóca się o mapy już od dwóch tygodni. Nie traktuję tego meczu poważnie, bo nam za niego nie płacą.
• Spa: Masz jakieś obawy przed meczem?
• Av3k: Obaw nie mam, bo nie mam przed czym. Stermy to gracz, którego można spokojnie ograć. Ja niestety tego nie dam rady udowodnić, przynajmniej na dzień dzisiejszy.
• Spa: Co sądzisz o samym Stermym i jego szkole quakerów?
• Av3k: Bez komentarza. Jako pierwszy taką naukę powinien on sam podjąć.
• Spa: Planujesz jechać na QuakeCon 2009?
• Av3k: Tak.
• Spa: Będzie to wyjazd sponsorowany przez Twój klan?
• Av3k: No jasne.
• Spa: To już koniec wywiadu. Chciałbyś kogoś pozdrowić?
• Av3k: Wszystkich czytających.
• Spa: Dzięki za wywiad.
• Av3k: Dzięki."

I understood this:

• Av3k: OK

OK!

that's all he said

"• Spa: Może zechciałbyś udzielić mi krótkiego wywiadu na orga?


Wow. How the fuck do you pronounce THAT ?!?!?!

probably with a proper charset.

You've replied to my last ten posts or so. Put me on ignore, thanks.

did i flame or troll you in any of them or gave you information..?

If you flamed or trolled me I'd have put you on my ignore list.

I just feel guilty keeping you so busy correcting me all the time.

:p

*information has no plural.


MOVE TO THE SIDE! GRAMMAR NAZI COMING THROUGH!!!

:D

didn't know that, thx :)

HAHA

i don't see any "kurwa"...?

Quick translation to Engrish (it's not 'word-to-word'), maybe someone will understand a bit.

It's nothing really interesting, maybe except answers about Stermy ;-)
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• Spa: Would you like to give me a short interview for quake.net.pl?
• Av3k: OK
• Spa: What were your feelings when you received an invitation for the tournament?
• Av3k: :D
• Av3k: I didn’t have any. It is just a tournament. It is a good preparation for QuakeCon (which is taking place soon), because I haven’t played much lately.
• Spa: How do you predict your chances in that tournament?
• Av3k: I haven’t been practising for that tournament at all because it’s an online tournament, which doesn’t mean much and I don’t put much effort into this kind of competitions. LAN tournaments are the most important. I don’t think I can even make it to the top 3.
• Spa: Many people think that you will surprise everyone. What do you think about that?
• Av3k: I think so too. I will surprise, but not positively.
• Spa: What’s your attitude toward today’s showmatch against Stermy?
• Av3k: I know that Stermy wants to win this match really hard, because we have been having an argument about map choice for two weeks. I don’t take this match seriously because we are not getting paid for it.
• Spa: Do you have any misgivings before this match?
• Av3k: I don’t have any, because there is nothing to be afraid of. Stermy is a player who can be defeateted without much effort. Unfortunately, I won’t be able to prove it, at least not today.
• Spa: What do you think about Stermy and his Quake lessons?
• Av3k: No comment. The first one who should take up this kind of lessons is himself.
• Spa: Are you going to attend QuakeCon 2009?
• Av3k: Yes.
• Spa: Will it be a trip sponsored by your team?
• Av3k: Of course.
• Spa: It’s the end of the interview. Would you like to give a shout-out to anyone?
• Av3k: Yes, to everyone reading it.
• Spa: Thank you for the interview.
• Av3k: Thanks.

ahaha

"Stermy is a player who can be defeateted without much effort. Unfortunately, I won’t be able to prove it, at least not today."

how to contradict yourself in one sentence, gg.

no?
he says hes not 100% in the game right now, but stermy is beatable.

Oh so what he really means is: After practicing 24h a day for the next couple of months stermy can be defeated without much effort.

yes that makes a lot of sense.

lol

:-)

ANYONE is beatable

how to not comprehend a single sentence. gg.

No, I think that about sums up what he said.
"He can be beaten without much effort" (by someone much better than myself).

..or by himself after he put in a little practice

LOL

Has no confidence in himself, cocky, and doesn't thank any sponsors or organizations, and only cares about money.

What a player.

cocky?

seems pretty honest

he seems confident he can beat stermy but isn't scared of more or less stating he not be able to do it without some serious practice

be thankful f he has some sort of personality and isn't a bullshit droning moron

amazes me really, you're one of the faggots that dream of some 'esports stardom' or some pathetic crap yet whining about a glimpse of personality shown by a player

Personality?

He gives short, boring answers, and clearly doesn't give a shit about the match, or his sponsors. Why on earth is that respectable?

are you seriously fucking complaining that he didn't thank
"sponsors" and "organisations"?

hes in a serious ass licking phase because he found a sponsor to go get raped at qcon.

someone sponsored gillz? whahah

even i raped that moron on hub with 130 ping

laff

sponsors being parents?!

I demand that all of his games are casted by someone as direct as tasteless:

"I don't think I agree with his decision ... ouch ... he should better ... nope ... Well this is just painful to watch now."

Well, business is business. It's not like he is getting paid for doing nothing. I am quite sure there are a few fairly good teams who would like to have him in their roster. Also I reckon that he used to get on with his team management, especially Bas, pretty well (and I am quite sure he still does).

Nonetheless I also doesn't like this kind of behaviour but I think it's just more like acting than naturality. Yet (unfortunately?) it's one of the best ways of being successful. In the end don't forget that I might have not translated it properly (although I think this kind of attitude isn't anything new).

Revenge of the cooller babies.

Hopefully this grows into a grudge like toxic and cooller :). Definately some parallels there.

Yep.
And it looks like Stermy^ is playing the role of toxic.

And we all know how that turned out in the end.

Yeah cooller owned the shit out of toxic then stopped playing.

that's not what the dated demos say.. but ok. Maybe you didn't watch them in the order in which they happened?

Lets see:
- pre-ESWC 2005 = Easy win for cooller
- ESWC 2005 = Comfortable Toxic win
- CPL Winter = Easy win for cooller
- WSVG Dreamhack = Easy win for cooller
- ESWC 2006 = both were shit but, cooller fourth above toxic
- Then cooller clearly stops playing and only occasionally turns up to a LAN (Kode5 wasn't allowed to play the final game and Quakecon he narrowly lost to toxic anyway...)

The "toxic vs cooller" rivalry thing is just ridiculous. In Q3 cooller was the far superior player and that was true in Q4 until he stopped playing too.

until he stopped playing "caring"

I've heard that excuse aplenty.

All rail and no brain

jesus, stop that ridiculous excuse, cooller never stopped playing or caring. He wouldn't have went to tournaments otherwise.

He didn't stop caring, he just stopped being active.

He missed tons of LANS, and when he did attend was clearly rusty and lacking practice. Just look at the performance drop from WSVG Dreamhack to ESWC.

Players go to tournaments all the time when they haven't been active, or stand little chance of actually winning. For a lot of them it's like a free holiday.

Yeah but even when he put the time in to practice a lot again (which he did last year), he didn't manage to win a tournament, or come close to it. (apart from an asus lan but pls..)
He might not have practiced Q4 much or at all but he sure practiced q3 like mad again.

But read the convo :(

Yeah i know this time you were only talking about toxic vs cooller, but srsly, its the same shit ppl always bring up when cooller loses smth. :P

coolleranyone*

nooot really :P

Anyone people consider good, unless it's blatantly obvious that it isn't the case e.g. the games toxic did lose in Q4 :P

but when it comes to cooller, the whole thing is taken to the next level :p

I don't believe it is used that much for cooller since prior to Quake4 I can't recall it being used despite him losing (QLAN2 anyone?).

When true the inactive excuse is perfectly acceptable despite it implying the player is superior. The problem is of course, every top player likes to pretend that they never play the game (even though they just have ten billion aliases/QL accounts).

The most active players always win. Quake isn't big enough, nor competitive enough for any natural advantages to stretched to their maximum. The only way you'll ever get good at anything is, to quote the master, "practice, practice practice."

Imho making excuses for cooller is way bigger than for anyone else on this site, i'd even go as far as to say it has become an esr meme (COOLLER IS GOD, etc.), it probably wasn't before Q4 but nowadays its kinda ridiculous. Just look through all the event coverage posts from last year :)

Obviously the ppl that practice the more and more efficient will have better chances to win, never said smth else, but ppl excusing cooller loses with the argument that if he would still be practicing/caring he would rape <player> is simply BS, as we have seen the whole last year. And imho its also quite disrespectful for the winning player :<

BEST PLAYER EVER

:D

UNRESPECT!

MISRESPECT!

DISRESPECT!

t7
dm13
dm6

fyi

GJ to Stermy. Av3k had a really unprofessional attitude.

sod off gillz.

i do not mind aveks attitude. it shows competitiveness and his desire to win. As you probably know not a lot of people actually make it to that level of quake. You need a high drive and a burning desire to win. No, matter what avek says he cares and wants to win every game or match he plays.

will you homosexual lesbians take your heads out of your assess and stop fussing about "unprofessional attitude". it's quite embarassing to read. thx.

Agreed, who wouldve cared about a show match if av3k hadnt acted like a cunt?

It's an exhibition, and av3k acts like a cunt, doesn't even try to give a good show, even if stermy was +backing av3k was a dickhead for saying "that's skill" after he gets 1 air rocket on stermy, then about 30 seconds later stermy gets 2 air rockets on av3k. Then GGing 3 minutes early in the last game. He said he didn't care about the match, but was obviously pretty sore.

first pro ql demo i watch and it looks very, very bad. I only watched dm13 and dm6 and both were really boring to get through.It looks like a 2001 demo. If this was supposed to be a showmatch, why the hell is stermy +backing at the 5 min mark??? And I don't think i've ever seen a 3-2 or smth frags demo in the 7 years i've been playing the game.