good luck getting a QL original copy dude

games that play decently on extreme high pings sacrifice "perfect" netcode at mid pings

often times for example in tf2 you can hit a full damage scattergun hit on somone and see the sparks on their body yet do no damage.. at 70 ping..

No, that *never* happens. TF2 has lag compensation in hitscan (but not projectile) weapons - which means its almost the same having 1 or 70ms ping. If you hit, you hit, if you miss you miss, as simple as that, allways.
However, if damage spread is enabled, like it usually is in pubs )but not in comp), the pellets have a somewhat random spread, so you can aim right at someone and one time hit 1 pellet and another (exactly with the same conditions) hit 5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yatry3cGKB0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6rrwNtWzO8

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1st video:
1) Random spread is enabled (it was impossible to disable at that time).
2) Hitboxes AREN'T a cilinder/whatever (like in QL). Shots that go between the legs DO NOT hit.
3) Ever heard about choke or packet loss? (or even ping)? The video doesnt show that parameters, so, its completely useless. Record a video o QL playing with 500ms ping, with lg, and then talk about fucked netcode also...

2nd video:
1) Weapons on TF2 aren't centered, which means that, at close range, shots/projectiles actually hit at the right (or left, if you are using the weapon on the left side) of the crosshair. As scout, that effect isnt very big (unless it is at really close range, like in the video), as soldier it's bigger, and as demo it is VERY big.
2) Check every point I made when commenting the first video.

How can you play comp tf2 for two years and have no idea what you're talking about... I call bullshit. Hitscan is always centered, only projectiles fire from the side.

anyway the hit detection is atrocious in tf2. I can't tell you how many times I got robbed of a pick precisely as happened in the vid. Do not even try to explain that as 'oh he fired between the legs' and 'oh random spread', I *know* those don't cover it.

1st video: im sure enigma(arguably best scout in u.s.) posted a video complaining about tf2 netcode by showing a clip of himself with packetloss. Even with spread you'd have to be retarded to think the medic could possibly live through that without there being some issue.

2nd: sparks say the shot hit


you would probably hear more top euro scouts bitch about netcode if they didnt all have 12 ping. but whatever

I'm guessing sparks are client-side, but then again I've never played tf2 so what do I know

The Source engine is infamous for its poor netcode tbh. Just ask arqon :)

Just playing the couple hours I do a day on tf2 is enough to know the netcode is bullshit :p

LOL

I dont know if you are trolling or kidding...

200ms in Team Fortress 2 is like playing on lan? Just LOL. It's COMPLETELY unplayable! At least with projectile weapons (rocket launcher, pipes...) you can't hit shit.

From my experience (2 years in comp TF2 and 1,5 in "fun" QL), 80ms in Team Fortress 2 = 60ms in QL. And anything above that is an HUUUUGE handicap.

Dunno about Halo though...

Have you tried WoW?

or q4 militia

200 ping on TF2 feeling like LAN? What the hell have you been using to connect the PC's? Silly string?

120 ping for me is reasonable on TF2. It's not great, but it's playable.
Anything over 40ping on QuakeLive feels like a river of shit, especially with LG.

Lg feels fucked but as many pros have said, it goes up with ping.

Rockets and plasma, however, do not, they just get the delay and make you lose.

wat, only ever get below 48 ping on swedish servers, and nobody else wants to play there :b

would say that 60 ping in ql is fine, sure its not as good as <40, but its totally playable

70+ ping in TF2 is only suitable for prophunt.

Dunno bout that. I used to play East Coast pugs with no real trouble. Lag compensation works pretty fine


but then maybe Americans are just bad at TF2


OH YEAH I WENT THERE

Really depends on your class, too. Pug servers with 32 players, it's mostly spam anyway. Scout/sniper can actually benefit from lag, but it's almost cheating.

ping isnt as important to a game like TF2(ie slower)

agree
the chance of miss depends on the speed your target moves in xx ms lagtime

Quake 3 was fine with high ping if you played a decent mod.

Quake Live is shit with anything above 80, imo.

Halo and TF2 are garbage and shouldn't be used as barometers of anything.

actually apart from lg
It seems better to me with 100ms than 80
When i play on russian servers (ping ~100) it's smoother than nl\uk server where my ping is 75-85

barometers of anything

the reason i quit playing ql was because i ping 90-100. I am competetive by nature and I can't compete with that.

Ya I feel you on that one. Sad thing is, they'll probably never change the net codeing anyways. Wish more people played cpma vq3.

You mean because they never change anything at all?!

Cause cpma vq3 sucks/sucked just as bad as QL? :|

quite the overstatement

Ah, another fanboy shows himself.

Fanboy? Not like i enjoyed cpma vq3 myself and on the contrary I could have backed it all up with facts ,but on a second thought you aint worth a dime, silly wannabe troll.

Backed what up with facts? Also, nice try on the troll call but you still fail.

Damn kids think everybody's a troll nowadays. It's funny how you inserted 'wannabe' in there though.

Edit: Country: Russia
Ahh, a Russian. Now it makes sense. It fanboy it?

#33

Apparently you've put quite an effort into spewing ineffectual junk.

I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public with those stereotypical insults of yours by calling me a kid beforehand.

Is this your attempt at witty intellect now? Trying to prove something here or what? In any case, you're sadly mistaken. All you Russians are really the same, it's quite the amusing really. I've had nothing but lol's at the Russian's here and elsewhere, so thank you for your contribution :)

That ineffectual junk you speak of, by the way, thanks for feeding into it. Sadly, you have no facts. Good excuse however. :)

You do remind me of that fraggerr guy, just with a better grasp of English.
Like i said, on a second thought you really aren't worth the time or intellect to spend on arguing or sharing facts. Should've guessed you'll be talking trash from the very beginning, but i just happened to bother.

Catch ya on the other side, prejudiced simpleton.

Silly Russian. Thanks for your contributions into all the notions I had about Russians. Much appreciated. :)

I'll be nicer if you try being smarter next time.

It has nothing to do with the politeness, or lack thereof, from Russians. Of course I wouldn't expect a Russian to realize that. :] It seems intellect isn't part of your strong suit.

You fail to realise the very simple fundementals with your only excuse/insult being "Russian" and keep repeating yourself with the same stereotypical as i've already put it - junk. Pull yourself out of your misery and pursue your lingo marathon elsewhere.

did you go better with the old ql hitbox?

it was slightly better of course but even more so for low pingers, so no difference in the end.

I am told the problem is that the way that ql handles things regarding the netcode changes when you ping above like 70-75 ping. Things get messy or something and it feels more like baseq3 from back in the day. Under that ping people say it is like unlagged or something and I did agree on the rare cases i pinged 65.

These accounts are based on how they felt like and might not reflect the true intentions of the netcode. So even if they didint intend for it to be unlagged, it feels like it.

Apparently the backward reconcilliation on the server side is setup to work well up to 70ms.

the phase of the games are different, no?

Source's netcode is awful

ql is FREE, try it out. ql also has a new (and improved) netcode. compared to baseq3 :p

need xerp back

in reply to someone who asked abt me sayin tf2 on 200 ping = lan.... i guess its the servers i play on ? =/ coz there are a whole lot of players with around 150+ ping on those servers and they play pretty sharp.. half of em are bots tough. i notice no delay in any weapons. Secondly i played halo a couple of times on 400 ping!! and there was only negligible delay like playin on 50ms =S

anyway ill try out ql nonetheless ^_^

you can click 'reply' on the right side of a post and your comment will show up right underneath that post

You could play Halo on 4 ping or 4000 ping and it'd still be shit.

If half the people on your TF2 server are bots then it wouldn't make any odds, and again, TF2 has lag compensation which can almost sometimes make it seem like you're cheating (I've played US servers with 150 ping as a sniper and managed to get headshots on people running around corners even with low interp)

Also, I can sell you a copy of QuakeLive cheap

ql is ok up to about 80ms imo and really good up to 50.Ofc i wouldnt mind having 10 but mostly im around 40-50 and its fine imo

They charge around 120$ for a copy of qlive btw. but amazon has a deal where it is 80$. I would recommend that you search for a few days on google to find a deal that is better.

oh and don't check quakelive.com, its fake and gives you a virus.

for only 40$ I could sell you an account, 2 accounts 70$

ill give you 100 for 4 accounts, is that cool?

it is possible to resell them tho, right?

once you pay me for the accounts you may resell the accounts (as many times as you wish!), afaik id Sofware specifically said there aren't any legal issues on the matter
so I recommend you buy 2 accounts or 2 + 2
(forgot to mention if you buy 2 you got 1 free (ONE FREE!) )
much better this way if you wanna be involved in flourishing resell activities

i will wire the monies to your bankaccount directly!

I'm gonna give bank account details very soon; stay tuned

been playing on euro servers mostly with 80-100 ping. I dont get what the big deal is. Rails are pretty simple and lg is pretty predictable, rockets are predictable. I dont know why people whine so much.

really?

hmm? is that taking out of context?

the fact you can remember something that was said like year ago in a single game is amazing. Doesn't say much for you though.

i guess it's not noticable on your level

yeah
he plays stermy, noctis and cooller all the time

I read this kind of threads since the beginning of online gaming, but I just don't get it.....

LAG-COMPENSATION? There is no such thing, and never will be!

Just like in real life, you wont see things before the light reaches you, this is the same and will be the same on the Internet as well, so you wont see things before the signal reaches you... The difference is the speed which the information is travelling.... not the result.

What source engine is doing (and perhaps QL also... I have no idea) is that it got some kind of a buffer and everything is happening a bit later.... is a good idea, but nothing will ever come close to a packetloss-less sub-40ms q3a game, where all you have to do is to aim a quarter/half keel ahead, and if you aim to the right spot (you will fail:P) you will always hit 100 out of 100.

The bottom line is, that In QL they "traded" some accuracy to aid the beginners...

but seriously, who cares... give a pro a 14" black-and white monitor, the worst mouse and setup on the planet, tell him not to use powerups/health, and put him on the worse jittery Internet connection you can come up with (I have that now btw:/ ), he would still own me no matter what kind of net code they could implement into the game... we all have the same that's what counts....

ps.: I have to admit that (in my opinion) the QL implementation is really horrible, perhaps the worse of all kind:( and it's really hard to write down such words on a Quake game, (it's also beta only!), but that's what I honestly feel atm:( You simply can't do a popular FPS game when ppl warp around the screen, you have to aim behind the NME and hitscan is random..