around +10% usually
tho the dmg output was mostly less cause of the 7-6-5 lg

aw good old times, everything was better back then

:P

That's what I was thinking tbh

If the damage output was lower but the accuracies were more evened out across the playing field, it meant that people who were 'allshaft' [if you will] had a slight advantage but not so much that they could absolutely destroy a guy who worked hard to get a stack through control (which I guess most of us can agree is the point of duel)

Which comes back to the question of is the objective of Quake duel to control the map or outaim your opponent?

I'm not bothered either way, but I just loved that constant stream of hitbeeps as often as it was back then ;[

most pros want it changed back :<

tell me who?

i remeber then every single mid skilled player shooted 60-70% rail and 40+ lg, WTF face rockets , WTF plazma and so on.

Best thing happened to QL its new hitboxes.

rapha, fox, stermy, strenx, z4muz for example

and no, the ones i didn't mention don't have to be against it, i just don't know their opinion. In fact i haven't heard of any pro that was strictly against changing back.

iirc rapha wants new hitboxes with 7-6-5 lg

he said smth about the cylindric hitbox being a reward for the more accurate aimers

this has been discussed with ql developers anyway and we won't get cubical hitboxes back

but they can increase diameter of cylindric hitboxes. as i remember it's smaller than a side length of old hitboxes. and there is still another way - change how LG works

if that happens I predict whine that hitting with rail is way too easy.

Makes sense really. His lg has never been outstanding and Quake's dominant weapon tends to be the rocket launcher so seems fitting that his defensive style would want a less powerful LG :P

People want what benefits them :D

yep especially you

Nope, he wants the old hitboxes back aswell :)

old or new hitboxes, you will stil get raped by strenx on T4. Deal with it.

and you will still be a cheater. deal with it.

i've never been a cheater, only in your head.

you'll still be retarded, deal with it.

if you say "I don't cheat" one more time maybe you start believing it.

I don't even need to believe it, cuz it's a fact.

Keep trying.

I'm sure there's a frenchman out there who believes you.

who ?

HAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

HAHA!

And that has nothing to do with anything. But you still win.






















































In you're own French delusional world.

strenx beat you ez. So i guess that my world isn't that delusional.

You're obviously blind and/or delusional.

prove me wrong then

;D

Sucking strenx cock won't get you anywhere, unless you're delusional - or simply like sucking cocks.

well he's french so it's probably both

I'm not sucking his cock. I'm just stating facts.

You're steadily working your way up to Jamerio stupidity, only it isn't nearly as amusing.

sif i care "hello_world".

Do you like necessarily have to comment on everybody's opinion in this site...who the fuck are you? cant resist ? itch to comment on everything you see ? honestly you have become so annoying, I feel like OGC'ing the shit out of you if you were in USA.

stfu fat american.


:D

So I watched the ca2 demo again on stream and you are cheating.

Your cover is all wrong. Low sens doesn't make you jitter, high sens does. Cloth pads don't make you jitter with all the friction (especially not qck), slippy pads do. Kinzu doesn't make you jitter, mice with low friction (small high quality teflon feet) do.

I tried hard, with 25-30 cm it is almost impossible to jitter like you did in the demo. You have to forcefully shake your hand bt then the accuracy is gone so no it is not possible to aim like that with those settings.

You are a cheater.

omg...

can't believe it, you just reached another lvl of retardness...

seriously, can't believe it, you can't imagine how i'm pissed now, i mean, is it ever possible ?

lmao @ "i tried to shake my hand like you did", lmao @ all your sherlock's analyzes. I seriously hope you're trolling, else, man, what can i say, you know, what you said is like saying "omg i just discovered what's the right equation to levitate, now i know how to levitate ! I'm so smart, i'll try to jump through my windows and then i'll probably be able to fly". Then you jump, you fall down and you die.

anyway, keep thinking what you want, if it makes you more secure to think that i cheat, then fine, you'll be a loser all your life.

also, my shaking can also be explained by the fact that i tend to tense my forearm a lot when following the target, that's why my movement isn't 100% smooth, but still i hit, so who cares if it's smooth or not ?
And when i've got 0 warmup, i shake even more, and when i go from 40cm/360° to 25-30cm/360°, it makes me shake more too. Really, a lot of things can explain my shaking, but people are so dumb, i mean, just cuz my shaft isn't as smooth as some well known regular good shafters, then you know, it's just cuz i'm a cheater, how sad is that :/. I shouldn't even reply to these kind of posts & accusations tbh, i'm kinda tired of that but at least it's a good past-times lol, and it keeps the ESR drama alive...

"lmao @ "i tried to shake my hand like you did", lmao @ all your sherlock's analyzes. I seriously hope you're trolling, else, man, what can i say, you know, what you said is like saying "omg i just discovered what's the right equation to levitate, now i know how to levitate ! I'm so smart, i'll try to jump through my windows and then i'll probably be able to fly". Then you jump, you fall down and you die."

you are seriously retarded.

stop your crusade against me, tourist.

you and your gang are just like hyenas, and i'm like the lion, you're always 4-5on1, but i always manage to show you who's the real king.

exactly. only there's 500 of us and one of you and you are small and retarded.

what, you're the only small & fat man there, man.

I'm neither small nor retarded.

If i were small and retarded, i would do just like you, join a gang of small & retarded nerdz to beat the so called asshole who's supposed to cheat cuz he beats them all.

yeah just like you beat me on thunder.

how do you know ?

As long as i've not played you, you can't know.

Ok, let me explain to you :

There's some people that i wouldn't play against in DA yet, because i don't feel good enough, i don't feel motivated enough (mainly cuz of how QL is atm), because i feel like i need some more practice to reach my 110% potential. These people are cypher, toxjq, strenx and some other well known pro aimers. To be able to beat them, i'd say that i still need something like 1-2 months of regular and serious practice with the same sens, in the same conditions etc... But cuz everyone is human, and cuz i still trust in my potential, i'm almost sure that one day, if ql is still alive, and if i've still the motivation to play, then i'll probably be the #1 world very best DA player of all times. I'll be some kind of mysterious online hero, with weird mentality, not very friendly, but sometimes still very kind and gentle, if i think that it's worth it. You know, from heartless to heart, heart to heartless.
When thunderstruck will be released, when the new big update will be release, if you're not forced to pay to play on the new maps, and if they plan to rework on the netcode, and if there's nothing huge or bad happening in my life, then i'm gonna practice again with quite a lot of motivation & love. I'll practice my rox, shaft, plasma spam, dodges, positioning at start, brain mainly, and also my long range rail which is still my weakness cuz it's way too irregular atm, something i hit like a monster, sometimes i hit like a real noob. As i said, i plan to reach my 110% potential, i'll probably play no other games than QL, not even sc2 for fun, ql only 110% (but as i said, only if it's worth it). I'll try to participate at as much DA cups as i can, i'll try to play as much good players as i can, and you'll see, you'll be impressed by my performance.

On the other hand, there's some people that i'm not afraid of playing, but when i play them, i still need some warmup, and i still need to focus at least 90% to be able to beat them. These people are some pro ctf/tdm players, some pro CA players, i won't give you their nicks here, but i guess that you can already guess it :). Against these players, i can still lose, i can still lose a bo3 or even 5, but i can't lose a bo10 for example :). I don't underestimate them by any mean, i still think that they are good players, and that they can impress me sometimes, and as i said, they can even beat me sometimes (depending on the maps, on the situations, on my mood, on luck, etc etc), you can be sure that when i lose against them, i'll start to make excuses, but at least it's good excuses :). Some of them are like at 90-95% of my lvl, that why i just can't underestimate them :). But i know that i'm still better, and i know that on the long term, and when i focus 110%, when i'm warmed up, when i'm in a good mood, when i feel comfortable & motivated, they don't stand a chance against me :). They can still make close games, but winning against me in these situations is impossible :), except when you're called toxjq or even probably... cooller :).

And finally, there's some people like you, random regular da/duel/ca/tdm/ctf players. When i play against people like you, it's good warmup for me, and very good practice for you, it's a very good way for you to improve. When i play people like you, i will only improve about 3 to 5% max, you will only help me to get more stable aim, more solid dodging & movements, that's all. I still like playing people like you, don't get me wrong, but what i don't like is when you're harassing me to play some games cuz you're almost sure that you stand a chance. What i don't like is when you need to prove something to yourself, you need to prove something to the world, and you need to utilize me for that. I'm not your tool, as i said many time already, i won't reinstall q3 & ra3 just cuz you wanna be sure of something, just cuz you wanna prove something. I don't even care that much if you feel frustrated, i don't even care that much if you still think that i cheat, because i'm pretty sure that one day you'll realize that you were wrong and i was right... You have basically 0 chance to win against me, at best you'll win like 6 rounds out of 10/11, so you should just stop believing that i'm another random brainless cheater with decent lvl at CA, because i'm simply not.
What i really am is a lazy interwebz lonely wolf/lion, just waiting to the right time to shine. Maybe you're pissed by my attitude, but i'm not there to please you, i'm just there to troll and say what i think. It's the internet man, deal with it.

So pls, stop calling me "random decent brainless cheating CA player", because you don't know me, and atm, all the people that i've played to prove them that i don't cheat and that yeah, i'm really that good, are now back to reality, they just realized that they were wrong. Just wait for your time to come, be patient.

you suck.

so you finally admitted that you got owned by my brain.

you're like a combination of jamerio and micr0n but less entertaining.

:'(

do you expect anyone to read that shit?

I'm really sorry for switching sides on you, I wanted to believe in 'innocent before proven guilty' but the evidence I have is so strong for me I can't ignore it... :/

I think for a cheater you are one of the cool guys. You probably have a blast from this and it suits outgoing people much better then weird loners.
On the other hand it is bad to cheat in a computer game no matter the circumstance.


If you truly want to redeem yourself, make a video of you playing like stunt.us did many times, point the camera at your monitor and your mouse hand at the same time. If you jitter believably with your hand as well that's strong proof on your side. Well think about it.

yep i should probably do that.

But i'm not sure that it would be enough to convince all the tards that i don't cheat...

Calling me stupid because you've reached the threashold where you can no longer argue back is the only move left.

Its your only move left!

You're so stupid you failed to realize there is no argument. The best part is you live in your own delusional world and believe all the idiocy you litter across this site. You are priceless. Please, let the word priceless instill a mistaken meaning into your ego so you can entertain me further.

http://www.own3d.tv/lvlup#/watch/27820

4:40

obvious hacks. not even humanized.

You mean the jumpad frag?

first time i see this (at 4am on monday lol) and it's an obvious hack (or french people have funny lg's)

why isn't that spammed all over esr?

hahah, not only is he a blatant botter but also ghosting like a mother. nice france. real nice.

i dun really see anything O_O

i want neither tbh, the old hitboxes were buggy and plain weird at times like with the '45° attacks'.

unsuprisingly i'd also dislike you guys deciding how i'm supposed to play my favourite video game, for example i like being rewarded for good aiming and want this to stay this way.

my lg stats went down by 1% and my overall acc by 2%, not sure if that means anything though :p

Everyone I know thinks the game was more fun before the change.

at least 20 ping difference did not matter that much back then

only u because then mb u have a chanse to win some money for wasted golden years but this not gonna happen even with old hitboxes.. sry emo metal :DDDDDDD

They want it back only for old LG behaviour or for the other weapons also? Maybe it's LG that they want to be changed, not hitbox.

I don't want to be mean but I'm starting to wonder if you understand the process of aiming and tracking a target + how models and hitboxes work.

I'm simply saying that if the issue is with LG, then why change hitbox to old one and reintroduce many flaws associated with it rather than adress the issue directly and change how LG works? For example make it hit within a small radius around the beam axis so that it will hit even when beam is aimed a little off the model (and probably tweak the damage as well).

Sounds hacky as hell but could do the job. I can't really figure how different it would be to the old hitboxes even though I'm pretty sure someone with more experience will point out what such a change would imply.

edit : no 45degrees abuse.

You could just make the lg beam wider to achieve that I guess?

I think its width is only a visual effect, but for hit detection it's a one-dimensional beam that hits only the point at which crosshair is aimed. I may be wrong though.

Yeah, he means widen that.

Well, I mean it too :)
Make it non-zero width.

YOU ARE MEAN!!

OHNOEZ

Why do you and the other pros want it changed back? Do you REALLY want it changed back and if so why or do you want a slightly fatter hitbox that's still a cylinder?

I reckon they should just 6-6-6 it with the new hitboxes, could be nice on a duel devpick or something anyway.

no

I've only seen ~4% decrease of lg acc for me personally.

In the first week or so if them introducing them I took probably a 10% hit in accuracy and it's slowly gone back up to the same % as before. I can only imagine that if they put the old hitboxes back on that ima be chargin mah lazar at an epic degree

Zer1toN,

You're officially in my retard list, congratz.

Btw, aim comes from the brain. Stop this wannabe Kasparov Einstein shit.

Feels like lot of people feel insecure with their brains capacity, that's why they're playing quake duel, it makes them smarter LOL.

I find also funny those talking about aim "omfg omfg aim is so brainless, omfg what a retard he hits 45% shaft, omfg what a brainless lamer he hits 70% rail, omfg omfg, quake brainless game omfg i can't apply my wannabe Kasparov strategies cuz this retard doesn't miss a single rail, WTF".
If you think that aim doesn't come from the brain, you're simply wrong. Aim is in fact just like your wannabe Einstein strategies, it's also about opponent prediction and all these stuff, but it's just that it happens so much faster than all your calculated wannabe Einstein strategies, that you don't even notice it and then you think that it's natural and that any retard can aim well.

The reality is much more simple : you are skinny & ugly irl, you have 0 physical capacity, then cuz you feel frustrated or insecure, you start to believe in bullshits, just to feel better. Each time someone is destroying you ez, you start to make excuses "omfg the map is bad, omfg brainless shit", but the fact is that you still lost and that your so called brain didn't help you this time. Stop this brain obsession pls, 99% of people here don't know a shit about how the brain works, they think that "omfg i'm 27 steps ahead from my opponent, omfg i just timed 56 items at the same time, omfg, my brain is so good", but in reality it's much more complex than that. Look at the mirror, and tell me what you see. If i come in front of you IRL and destroy your fucking face, you won't even be able to say "OMFG what a brainless asshole, he didn't even time a single item to punch me in the face". It's just like those who get raped IRL, they are like "OMFG life is so good, omfg i'm so smart i feel so secure, omfg i love everyone but i hate war and religions" and then just after the rape they are like "omfg why are people so dumb, why why, i need more brain, more brain pls, omfg i wanna feel secure i need more brain, people are so stupid, i'm the brainmaster i need to dominate, omfg help me pls help me".

Discuss.

(btw, since the last hitboxes patch, your global accuracy should've dropped of about 5%, which is a good thing, new hitboxes are MUCH better and far more consistent than the old ones)

Discuss.

you should be on your own retard list, as the only entry.

eod.

do you feel offended when i say "skinny ugly & insecure" ?

no.

Why would I feel offended when you describe yourself?

Why would I feel offended when you describe yourself?

and thus we reach the end of the chain of evidence.

well, you drink beers a lot, then you're not skinny.

But fat.

this has got to be one of the most retarded attempts at insulting, ever.

it's not really insulting.

I just want to make you in front of the reality, so that you wanna cry and you can understand how it's like to be emo.

And then you can feel walter's pain. Amazing feeling.

I just want to make you in front of the reality, so that you wanna cry and you can understand how it's like to be emo.

sorry, you will have to try a lot harder until I can relate to how you must feel.

why so heartless ? :'(

i wanna cry now :'(

life is so crap :'(

why why :'(

halp me pls

Dammit, I'm starting to sound like a fucking college dropout (or Jamerio) when every post I read with his insults I'm just thinking "... Wow... He couldn't project more if he was a cinema screen"

lol, he wants to make "what" to you in front of the entire ESR!!!
haha, u've been had :P

awww.

I thought he wanted to say I was to be made and didn't know the proper tense :(((((

lol
So you either make out with him or you're a made man.
Nice!!!

prefer the latter, tbh.



Even though, "French mafia", hmmmm :/

i agree with this post. People who like to time think that is what brain is about and people who their brain to aim instead are dumb? LOL idiots!

to main topic starter lgin 50+ consistently was awsome even at a lower damage. the lg stuck on so easily that it didnt even matter what the damage was cuz destroying people up close mid far was so easy. i like the new hitboxes cuz now its more of a challenge to lock on and keep it.

I guess if I had an aimbot I'd try to claim that aim was "all brain", too.

you are skinny & ugly irl

Stopped reading there when I realized you were talking about yourself

fuck off you fag

I'm in a dilemma, either that was the most epic comment ever, or the most retarded. There's a fine line between genius and idiocy.

zombies ask for teh brain too

CYLINDRICAL HITBOXES ARE THE SHIT.

IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME GO PLAY ANOTHER GAME, GTFO.

NOBODY WANTS THE OLD HITBOXES BACK.

are you on a crusade? nobody will forget that you're a cheater no matter how many stupid posts you write

i'm not a cheater and yes, i'm on crusade.

The real shit is thunderstruck ok ?

Ever heard of q4 militia ?

oh that's right, the map you're afraid to play me on.

i'm not afraid to play a tourist like you.

It's just that i cba 150% to reinstall a dead game just to play on a dead mod against a tourist.

but you cba to install new cheats. nice.

i cba to reinstall a dead game and make a new cfg just to play a dead mod with crap netcode and 100dmg rail against a lamer like you just to prove you that i don't cheat.

In this case, i'm NOT the problem, YOU are the problem. Deal with it.

you're even more pathetic than micr0n now.

As long as i don't reach you lvl of patheticness, it's fine.

well I guess I can only conclude you're afraid and I own you.

you can conclude whatever you want.

I think most people have concluded you're a cheater that's scared to duel tourist on thunderstruck

not a cheater
not scared
skilled ? yes, ofc.

Then go on thunderstruck

Can't say I'd be surprised if you didn't chicken out though ;]

read my others replies.

don't be stupid.

Yeah, cause it's so difficult to install Q3 (5 minutes) and put a config in (2 minutes)


Can't expect much more then cowardice though ;]

read my others replies.

read his others reptiles

A Frenchman... Afraid?

How is that possible?!?!!?!?!?!

The French Army Knife:

Curiously lacking anything of value except a corkscrew and a white flag

haha, you have the most retared posts i have ever seen on esr, things you should do:

1- Get laid

2- Stop Cheating

3-Stop the obvious trolling

4-Stop acting like you know everything

5-Get some brains, not sand.

Popularity: Nobody (0%)

what is the problem with that? im happy being a normal guy. you are happy being stupid and retarded, just an option, you could be gay, or a tranny, i wouldnt care too, as you are insignificant in this world as me.

Popularity: Wannabe (10%)

hahahah, im not even continuing arguing with you, cause you dont act like a cunt anymore :(

Popularity: Cool Dude (14%)

Popularity: Celebrity (29%)

Popularity: Star (40%)

Popularity: Superstar (45%)


congratz, you won.

just [+]'ed you man.

You deserve it.

hahahahaha ROFLMAO!

Popularity: God (83%)

Welcome in my world.

you got raped lol

yep i lost this time.

You can't always win.

i can.

until now probably. But one day you will fail/lose just like everyone.

im not like everyone, im fragerr

until you realize that you're like everyone.

;D <3

:DDDDDDDDD

there are no cheats for popularity, sry.

Reposting it just because I think you'll find there are:

Hmmm, if he can be awesome with a sweater in that color he obviously cheats.

Probably free drugs.

Popularity: h4x0r (91%)

OLOLOLOLOLO

LOL 91%?, now it is 90 xD

nice move by u and heartless to get plusses :DDDDDDDDDDDD u tricked whole esr !!!!!!!!!111111

it was kinda hilarious, i replyed him and didnt gave a fuck, 6 hours later i arrived home, loaded esr and saw like 7 rp, i was like wtf? then i clicked and saw: popularity 80ish % i was like wtf ROFLMAO.

:>

i tihnk it takes 1% off per day. it was 91 yesterday :D

Popularity: Megastar (51%)

Popularity: Megastar (53%)

Popularity: Supreme Ruler (80%)

Saw this and thought "what the FUCK? 59%?" then I saw the post below it and it all became clear.

:P

frags count for win, not stats.

yyy what's wrong with the new hitboxes? Did I miss something? I thought everybody was happy about the change, but now I read that most of pros want old hitboxes back according to noctis & co.

What?

only noctis wants old hb back ;P.

no, im just the only one posting on esr

can't really blame them for not posting here tho

sup fyorng my little silena

and to answer mefajpes question? :p im curious as well

Wrong

well, ok, then noctis + 3-4 other pros and some random gamers like you want it back. Fine.

But still, won't ever happen, and that's NICE THKS ID SOFTWARE.

New hitboxes are one of the best things that QL ever had.

No need to rage because i busted you m8 :(

busted ?

Everything is in your head.

I suppose if we consider the very real fact that is; 99% of the users here on esreality.com beleive that you cheat, then this entire website could in some ways be a development inside of my own head, it's hard to beleive that you would have absolutely nobody on your side.

yeah, all your wannabe gang believe that i cheat.

99% ? HAHA!

Here is the reality : you're jealous nerd. You play too much games at once.

let's say that you didn't cheat, hitting 31percent lg over 3 maps is nothing to boast about i.e. you are in no position to give advice.

However you do cheat, so that is irrelevant anyway.

wanna LG duel ?

I don't care about stats.

Stop embarassing yourself

hi.

since plasma, lg, rail and even rocket dodging works on LAN I blame the fcking netcode instead of the hitbox
but I wont mind a slight increase (a slight increase not old hitbox)

lol, it does not.

Both hitboxes are retarded. The new ones are just smaller. Weren't cylindrical models in q4? No wonder it was so bad. Is raven still coding for iD? Wait thats rhetorical. no ones coding for iD LOL!

I thought cylindrical hitboxes had been introduced with 1.4.2 [ or maybe 1.3 but not before ]

Registered: 8 Mar 2010

u thought LOL !

Didn't think you'd be retarded enough to consider your answer as a point.

it was octogonal hitboxes for q4 ;)

Octogon vs cylinder = srs bznss.
cuboid -> octogonal = 1.4beta.

ye i know ^^

they arent actually smaller... just from some angles which makes them better than the old hitboxes.
plasma wasnt ever effectiv in ql BUT it was a good weapon in vq3/osp/cpma so we can just blame the netcode

btw q4 netcode is awesome

They aren't actually smaller... just from some angles

Logically, wouldn't make them smaller?

..which makes them better than the old hitboxes.

no - effectively because it is still broken.

omg so when the enemy strafes to the left/right its better to aim at his feet cos the hitbox stays back? lol so thats why stermy has cg_truelighting set to .98 or whatever even on lans

models are now bound waaay tighter to the hitbox than in those q3 screenshots.
Try truelightning 0.95 or 98 or whatever = placebo. The deviation is so small it's hidden by the crosshair.

how do u know they re? havent seen any pics like that showing how much model goes outa hitbox when strafing

im talking keel ofc however when i think about it he doesnt bend that much

that's one of the rare things that's been explained "in depth" by Syncerror back then [ yeah I know in depth and sync don't really match ]. Keel still gets a bit out of the hitbox while jumping but nothing like it used to be.
Most people's experience seems to confirm this.

ye duck jump rush ftw

You're back. <3

A noob question: To I hit a opponent that is strafing, I need really aim directly in the body(chest or head) of model player or the hitbox have a delay to followr the model?

For example, If my opponent strafes to right (using any model, be keel or doom) then I need aim to a little to left and low(on feet, like 7herm said before) to hit directly in the hitbox? But this depende of model player that my opponet is using or no? Or the only justification by all using keel is for pure better visibility?

Thanks in advance!

the answer is: YES!

2k baseq3 netcode > 2k10 ql netcode

It's so cool, I like it very much :>

I hate the new hitboxes. I've beaten DKT / Chance/ ZeRo4 / Rapha in practice games on the old hitboxes. I've raged KGB with my LG and raged countless people with my rails. Then the update hit.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I can't hit shit anymore, LG dropped to 40% and only on semi-pros. Rail dropped to 50 and only on easy shots.

Now i suck, i have to use tactics to win in duels ...

Less fun for me, but i guess quake IS a fucking FPS so aim should count. (real aim, not huge hitbox nonsense)

Oh well.

dropped to 40? dropped to 50? and what was it before the update?

My lg was about 46-50% on nearly anyone, even if they dodged I could still get them from angles (i aim and strafe at angles to get the most % on those hitboxes)

My rail used to be a solid 60%. I remember being totally out played by DKT and then landing 5 rails to kill him and raged him off the server. It was really fun.

Nowadays It's rare for me to string together 3 rails straight even when they are easy rails, I don't know if its the netcode or the hitboxes but I just can't aim right anymore.

The angles i used for LG have been cut out, so now ping is a huge factor since the lg beam is going everywhere. I still 'cut' my beam on and off to relock but its not spectacular anymore.

For rail I can't decide on what cg_predictlocalrailshots to use anymore. on 0 the trail feels too lagged. On 1, I can't compensate for any lag because I can't tell how off it is.

I turned off rail trails all together but that means I can't see enemies shooting at me .. its just fucked tbh.

Clutch shots are still possible, but currently good dueling habits are rewarded, not holyshit i just hit 5 shots consecutively

you must be literally retarded to not be a top dueler with your claimed aim

I've got ADHD. I can time items (do the math)but I can never remember when they spawn or the order, i've used huge clocks and even a stop watch to try to remember but my memory is just shit. I've even tried programs to help memorization like brain workshop or Dominic O'Brien quantum memory techniques and I still can't do it.

I've been able to play some pros on just predicting them since i can tell how much damage I do to them to know how they will react but i cant use actual strategy and the sort that rapha and the high level players use. [Since all strategy is supported by knowing item timings and enemy health]

When people are doing shoutcasts with the item timers up, i can totally predict what players will do during the matches but that's all.

Haha I can't even do the fast math. I "time" armors by feel and it sorta works, but with better players it gets harder. I learned approximate mega times (0:5 -> 40, 15->50 etc.) but still I'm often forgetting it during the game after pick up ("wait, was it 15 or 25 wtf?!"). I'm so retarded at timing items that I doubt there's worse player than me in that regard.

Timing sucks.

and u re still better than me with my 0.5 secs timing :<

u cant time cos u re not trying

it took me like half a year to get comfortable with this

ofc i cant time moar then 2 items atm but its just a matter of time to start adding yellows

I can time perfectly.
( for about 2 mins then I get bored and go play insta)

to be honest you sound more like someone whose parents took ADHD ass an excuse for having a child that is not overly smart.

I don't know what to say about that but...

have you tried militia?

just saying that nowadays many parents look for excuses, instead of saying that their kind isn't really smart or has bad manners.
If they admit that, they have to ask themselves if they possibly did something wrong in raisingtheir child. If it's ADHD they didn't do anything wrong, maybe even a great job. "Just look at how normal our child behaves most of the time!".
Apparantly, many parents visit several doctors in a row until eventually one finds the "correct" diagnosis.

Sure, there is a chance you really have it, but odds are you are just on more person who can't time well whilst playing.

Can't you read? He can time items but he just forgets them. Timing is one thing to remeber another one and this has nothing to do with how a smartass you are irl. For some people it's quite hard to remember the timings while they move and shoot.

well, to me timing items in a game is both balculating when they appear and actually remembering that time during a match.

and yeah I'm gonna make the leap that is has to do with how well you can bring your brain to be aware of several things at the same time.
Never said that makes him or others a dumb person, so I have no clue why you feel the need to jump in like that.

So, what's your explanation why some can time better than others, since you seem to be certain it doesn't have anything to do with intellect.

Can't you read? He can time items but he just forgets them.

:DDDDDD

upload some of your old hitboxes demos from practice games, hasn't to be a pro, so nobody dares to say that you want to enlarge your e-penis ;) but i would like to take a look at that aim you claim.
i like aim demos more than brain demos. (love strenx or stermy (old) shit :)

I don't have any demos at all left. I found some on quakelive forums that I posted.

They are not good demos though.

These are CA pub demos. And I am playing very flashy in them trying to impress myself with what I can hit.

So I doubt these will be very good to watch, download if you want but don't expect much.

http://www.mediafire.com/?561xspwgc9iojg1

thx man, will take a look.

what's your ql account?

Just to clarify since people are having a mardy, I don't mind either way which way the hitboxes are since I'm happy with both. I agree that the new ones reward better aim but the old ones as people have mentioned were more 'fun' to play on and may have given people in control a little more advantage

Fuck the hitboxes, poker is less random than ql netcode.

:D:D:D!!! Fact :P

Have you tried mili...
Actually, can't agree more.

fix stairs first. thanx

Small change that could make some interesting situations:

They should make it so firing into a teleport makes the teleport noise (without actually teleporting the projectile). It would be a new way to add strategy to quake, you could for example bait someone into thinking you used a teleport while all you did is fire a grenade inside. What do you guys think? (I have to post this here since I don't have an account)

I'd like to see shots going trough teleports.

No.

I guess that's your way of saying that you don't like the idea, but I certainly do.

fuck yeah this is amazing in CA when u have those pricks camping the tele exits spamming nades, spam nades back at them hurrrrrrrr

imagine t9 with that :)

Could be interesting ;)

altho when I think about it , it does have some problems. like when you have one way teleporters it would be pretty funny for the guy on the other side if projectiles went trough and he couldn't fire back. would work ok for double teles I guess.

make hitboxes bigger, or bring back the old hitboxes

i remember when playing quake live was fun

I don't understand one thing.
Old hitboxes were like: shoot in empty space a kilometer to the left of the opponent, and bah! you hit. And basically that's the difference from new ones: you could shoot not in your opponent, but also in empty space around (at least in much bigger area than now) it and still register a hit.
Now why so many pros, according to noctis, want to be able to hit empty space?

not true :) 99% of players perceived empty space in demos to be empty space in the actual game.

As I repeat, the only difference between old and new hitboxes is amount of hittable empty space around the model. I really don't believe that it's that additional empty space that players want. What I can believe is that they want bigger area to hit which means bigger models, not old hitboxes.

http://img13.imageshack.us/f/hitbox.png/

I kinda understand your point but I don't think a 5-10% fatter model would really change anything. Unless we stop using keel and switch to a walking fridge holding guns.

When you're aiming, you're aiming for the model. Bigger hitboxes even up the playfield, rewarding aim heavy players a bit less than the current hitboxes.

nvc : do we really care about people not understanding shit about antilag and demos?

Older hitboxes were hugely uncorresponding to player models and also the area on screen that you could hit depended on your orientation relative to the map.
From what you're saying you are wanting not older flawed hitboxes, but just bigger player models.

From what you're saying you are wanting not older flawed hitboxes, but just bigger player models.

I don't want anything, the hitboxes we have now are fine to me. I'm just saying that, 45degrees positionning to get xx% more hitbox exposed and stuff like that aside, you don't think about the hitbox : you aim at the fucking model. Having bigger hitboxes allowed players to be a [ big ] bit off and still register hits, something that isn't possible anymore and thus fucks them vs better aimers.

not if you used tankj. now shit just goes trough his ribs, pisses me off.

yes, because it's the clueless players that make up the majority

I don't get this place. First, everyone was whining their hearts out for the cylindrical hitboxes that were later added to quake4 and finally one day they did it. Now you guys want it back? You gotta be kidding me. It's fine the way it is now, just leave it be.

kids dont even know himself what they want they just wanna cry ( hi emoctis ) !!!!!!!!!!!!!111111

When warping in servers is a common thing, having small hitboxes is frustrating. It's not easy for the guy warping sure, but the guy trying to hit him is a fucking nightmare. I quit out of 2 duels last night just because I couldn't be bothered to try and hit people that were warping. With the old hitboxes it was nowhere near as bad. That's not to say that I want them back, just that something really needs to be done with lag issues etc

I don't think it's so much the hitboxes themselves. But the fact that the problem they said they were addressing with the Dec 8 update (trailing hitboxes, being shot when clearly behind a corner/wall) is still there. Combine that with smaller hitboxes and you get complaints.

Some people have to aim beyond the ennemy, some still have to aim behind and most don't need to adjust their aim as long as they don't ping 80+ since the antilag does its job. Most people see rails going straight through other players standing still, or even goddamn bots without any hit registering.
If you have these problems, feel free to pm me your network settings and tell me what stupid shit you have to compensate for. I think we pretty much all use the same settings but it's still worth checking.

When you get shot behind a corner, can't it simply be the antilag doing its job ?

When you get shot behind a corner, can't it simply be the antilag doing its job ?

Possibly. But I would think it would only happen then when ping differences between the players is large (like 30ms vs 120ms). Which is about the only time I've personally seen it happen in q3. In quake live I've had it happen when both of us are in the 30ms range, maybe that's just how the code works, but to me, that seems flawed.

ql's antilag goes up to 80ms. Everyone has a different experience with ql's netcode though, I myself would rather play above 80 than between 60-80 cause the antilag behaves like some drunk suicidal god and I see wack shit happening. Under 60 is pretty fine for me.

Well, it was surely more fun to play with old hitbox. I think they need to keep current hitbox, but with the old one size(resize it). As for the: "...First, everyone was whining their hearts out for the cylindrical...", they whine and think: "hitbox will be smaller, but I am hax0r epic aimer, so my aim will stay the same, others will hit me less muhahahha" or "Thet hit so much than me, now they will not!!!111!', then truth come up... they start hitting less, and it's in human nature to dislike going from up to down, we like progress. So no they want it back, because now they fell weaker players and cry. Let's not talk about ping... before it wasn't that much of a big deal, now it's little bit more of. Another problem is plasma-now it's more or less useless, except some situations and spam(if I am on close range in corridor (in q3/old ql hitbox plasma pwns in this situations, even if you are good on medium range), I will pull shotgun and destroy. Other than that, old hitbox size was same as quake 3... never ever someone whine about the size in q3(q3 models was bigger, thats why you don't hit "empty" space). The netcode needs optimization, they "fixed" the: "hitting behind the wall" problem just with decreasing the size and little tweaks, no major netcode change. As for the old/new lg accuracy: I go from 45% to 37%, witch corespondent to noctis statement( I play only duel. I think it matters, because in ffa,clan arena,etc, there are much more cases where you hit easy straight walking/flying targets).
P.S. Sorry from mistakes etc, I won't review/edit what I wrote :).

what a retarded discussion lol

its not quakelive forums come on

new hitbox is more realistic

stfu and lower your sens instead of playin on a retarded sets like sens 10 and 1 accel

making quake easier = NO

If I lowered my sens anymore it'd be retarded. And as I said, I hit 35%~ nowadays so I'm not bothered either way

so why did u bother making this thread again?

Read the topic?

making quake easier = NO

Once

Who said it was making it easier? As mentioned before, the people who were hitting high before would still be hitting high but the people who were relying on playing the items, playing smart and the maps wouldn't be at a constant disadvantage to the aimwhore.


But as I said, I don't mind either way which it goes. Is the point of Quake an fps (as in, to kill through aim) or is it more then that and more of a strategy-fps. I can see both sides of the argument and I'm just putting the thread up because it's an interesting discussion.

Better aimer will hit more even with old hitbox SIZE(shape is ok :P). I mean... before stermy/strenx hit 45-50lg, now 30-40, tell me when you hit before constant 50lg(stermy's average)? Offc I am talking if you actually use it, not just jumppad spam :D.

making quake easier = NO

Twice

making quake easier = NO

Three times a lady

omfg aim is the part of this game and stop that brain talk already

brainers doing good so whats your problem rly?

that strenx won a couple of cups? great for him his aim is astonishing and now he starting to understand how to play maps properly

tell me why should a game take care of no aim ppl?

its raphas/cypher/aveks/coollers/fazz/madix/killsen problem that their lg suck due to high/med sens and accel

do u care about them beeing raped by strenx? cos i do not

lower the sens or gtfo

strenx gonna start placing 1st outbraining and shaftraping everyone jsut a matter of time

thing is simple

all the top guys wont develop any more brain nor aim

while strenx already have astonishing aim and his brian game is improving day by day

It's just the accel.

Best shafters in quake3/quakelive are/were on their prime imo:

LuGia & strenx (lowsense & no accel)

stermy & toxjq (highsens & no accel)

still there exist some view exceptions of nice accel shafters (Cypher, jibo, Z4muZ & his brother ArrW)

tox had like ~30 cm. hardly high sens.

also lugia sucks

Maybe you can say LuGia "sucks" but his shaft aim is almost unheard of.

stats dont mean shit. he ony used lg when he had predictable enemy movement. in shaft - shaft duels he wasn't all that strong.

lol

lging a guy falling of a ledge and lging a guy who's dodging left-right like a mother while lging you back are two different things.

Lugia use lg 47% in ql, has 41% accuracy, he didn't play last month, but he have enough kills with lg/game played for me to say he didn't use it only in air...

tox = 23 back in the ic days, around 25 on the cfg that floated around last year.
Stermy = 25 q4, 22-23 nowadays.

I know nobody gives a fuck but I couldn't resist.

z4muz shaft > stermy and not sure about tox

sorry but u just cant outshaft someone with sens 1.6 @ 400 dpi regardless of accel

+ i admire stermys aim but his shaft ia nothing compared to zamuzs.. not sure about tox but i hardly believe its possible now in quake live to hit great shaft with sens 4.6 or whatever

Glad you just proved that you have no clue. Now I know I don't have to waste my time discussing. ;)

looool i have no clue or u just dont watch quake at all?

did u see how is zamuz shafting or not?

its a heavy ass fucking shaft that hurts like fuck ;))

do u use or have been using accel? do u know how does it feel to have like 60cm/360 and 0.2 accel?

on the last dreamhack he hit like 55% at t9 vs sb

I obviously know that Z4muZ is a great shafter as I've listed him myself. Saying stermy is nothing compared to Z4muZ is obvious bullshit though. Mentioning random accs doesn't prove shit. (Z4muZ doesn't spam shaft at all compared to others and prefers the easy situations) strenx often has 33% shaft and still is by far the best at the moment.

Saying whether Z4muZ or stermy on his prime aimed better is just preference I guess and I don't blame you for favouring him. However I was more astonished about your second statement about toxjq. (Which is in my opinion the great first person shooter player ever) Just watch toxjq a few days ago without being active:
http://www.esl.eu/enc/2010/quakelive/tdm/play.../22200938/

Hope you believe now it's possible. :-)

thx for the demo ill watch it asap

as for the shafting if we organize a shaft duels believe me its gonna be strenx and zamuz in the final

higher sens can be more versatile in combat but when strenx and tox stand across each other strenx gonna win hard sorry

if we organize a shaft duel tourney there re goin to be zamuz and strnex in the final

look its just physically impossible to make sucha small steady moves with 25cm/360 regardless how talented and good at predicting you are

and i dont judge shaft by +acc

Wow. I thought you just say Z4muZ > stermy O_o

Do you even know toxjq?

i do and do u rly believe he can outshaft strenx or zamuz?

tox is very similar player to stermy and they both use almost identical sets and when im watching tox pov i feel like im watching stermy thats all

his shaft is ok but again

put them against eachother and its a toin coss (lg duel)

put them agaainst zamuz/strenx and lower sens wins

wont u agree?

rofl of course not you are overrating z4muz quite much (and/or underrating toxjq who is THE aim machine himself)

about strenx vs stermy - strenx himself said quite some time ago they made some kinda shaft duel (old hitboxes) and were very even both at 50% acc

old hitbox = doesnt matter

ofc i would shaft equally with strenx if my target is a size of a tank

check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1espkFz33qI

at 0:45 lg fight between 100/100 (in control) strenx and i think 100/50 zamuz cos he must have just taken yellow

for me their re equal as it comes to lg its just strenx who likes to abuse it

There is a difference here. I've watched toxic since he started quake 3 and z4muz and his brother arrw and now strenx.

The difference in shaft is that toxjq will use shaft when its the best gun available for the situation and will help him get the frag or defend his position 100%.

His mouse sens is quicker than others because he uses icemat which has PERFECT precision (but its a bitch to clean)

This means he doesn't need low sens to aim precise, this is why he can LG lock very quickly while having high sens and moving around the map quite fast.

Z4muz has very precise strafes and movement, this was known in quake 3. His sensitivity is very low but his accel makes up for it, however z4muz is not a shaft whore, he uses shaft only when he can hit very easy shaft. His shaft is probably more sticky than toxjq's but only if the other person isn't prepared to LG battle or is not trying to dodge you.

Strenx uses lg ANY TIME AND ALL THE TIME. Even when rockets would be a better gun, he spams it a lot.

When I watched strenx vs toxjq on euro servers strenx was totally fucked by toxjq on the old maps. He couldn't rush tox because tox knew he was coming all the time with shaft, and just used combo rockets + shaft to rape his face.

It's like this:
Z4muz : stickiest LG on slow people
toxjq: strongest lg on anyone at anytime but will fuck you up with other guns if it helps him win
strenx: very strong LG but no brain to back it up

Stermy is just a normal shafter, hes good but not godly against these 3, even cyphers shaft is as good as stermy's

Why would you say high sens to 20+ cm per full turn?

Because it is.

I think it is medium at best, more like medium-low.

Because it is.

lower sens let u hit high % lg in every situation and u dont have to wait till your opponent fall from the high ground or catch him while hes going through a corridor

i mean with low sens u can rape ppl with lg rushing at them like strenx

with high sens (tox and stermy) u can only use it in appropriate situations but in 1v1 u re gonna get pwned if u wont manage to get closer and use rockets

your lg simply cant get sticky with high sens

+strenx is zooming with it so its a totally different story

I've seen first hand toxjq vs strenx on euro servers. Tox can outshaft strenx with same stack. His precision on icemat mousepad is what really does the trick. The mousepad is glass, and doesn't have any sort of dirt or traction problems. It's always the same feeling every single time, no wear on it.

This is why toxjq's aim never becomes rusted, he only needs to play like 10 games to get back his monster aim.

Strenx uses zoom to help his lg also, its not really just low sens that helps lg. It's precision mouse control, thats why people lower the sens, so they can get precise movements.

Icemat + toxjq always has precise mouse movements.

i hope to c that again at qcon ;D i rly doubt tox can outlg strenx but if u say so i believe u cos i havent seen them staying against each other yet

and i think its more to his strafe aiming cos still im sure its not possible to make sucha precise movements with ~~ 25cm/360 regardless of used hardware (pad+mouse)

any idea of what fov does he use? the last ql cfg ive saw it was fov90?

do u rememebr maybe what fov was he using through all these years in q3 and q4?

100 in q3 and 90 in q4.

you can aim very precise with 25cm/360°, you present no facts whatsoever but state the opposite. care to explain why it should be impossible?!

u got me wrong look

strenx lg hits amazing accuracies which re out of reach for tox and stermy

and thats a fact

ive never seen stermy hiting 50% + lg in close combat vs top player rockets and its my right to doubt tox is able to do that too

I MIGHT BE WRONG

but its simply unlogical for me

we (human) have some limits and i tihnk one of them is beein unable to move the mouse for less than 0.5mm over the pad no matter what kinda surface is it

strenx with his 50cm/360 can move his crosshair with pixel precision and tox cant

the lower the sens the bigger the precision and u cant pass it even with an sucha outrageous amount of talent toxjqs got

this talent lets him hit specific accuracies with this sens but he wont ever hit more than strenx

i rly hope tox is gonna be a qcons surprise so we can see

... low sens usually means your lg is great at far range but sucks on low range but this means nothing!

its not their cfg/settings or whatever. Ofc a good setting helps but thats not enough. Strenx got just a perfect mouse control and a good overall reaction. Same for toxjq but I think slightly better overall reaction + tactical awareness + awesome dodging.

btw you cant compare lg by accuracy... e.g. cypher spams with lg

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1920163#pid1920163

"and i dont judge shaft by +acc "

everyone spam with lg

i agree tox is a superior player but we talk lg here!

tox lg is definately better than strenx. He hits awesome lg in ALL situations.

btw tox doesnt have high sens

thats a great point!

strenx is very positioning dependent

After what I have seen from tox, strenx's lg is by far better.

No
No
and no

Well, I wasn't impressed by his tdm demo. Stermy, zamuz and the other well known lg aimers can do the same, but strenx is the master of lg. He does so much damage with it that it's ridiculous by any means. I want to see tox in some ql duels to see whether he is really the strong guy but trust me strenx will rape him.
Like today when he had a 100 disadvantage in stack vs cooller and still managed to get him down. He pulls the sickest moves with the lg which I really like to see. The guy knows how to make a huge amount of damage in a fight and not only with the lg if you saw his latest duel matches. He might not be the biggest brain overall but he has a way to approach fights which is really nice to watch. Call me a fanboy but there aren't that many players with that unique playstyle like him.

Toxjq has played duels against Strenx and Stermy when they were staying together in Italy for one of the ESL tournaments I believe. He outshafted both in % and out damaged both even when he lost. If you really consider stats to be a benchmark of skill then I guess that could mean something

Didn't knew that, but that's quite some time ago. I just said that I wasn't that impressed by his tdm demo though he didn't played bad either :P. Anyway would be good to see him attending some serious duel tournaments. I'm looking forward to it and then we'll see who is the best lg :P. Right know I still think that strenx is the best shafter. I still have to see some more actions from tox, coz I didn't follow the q4 scene. (Game was boring for me back then, too much 1.6 :P)

Well that's the thing. Strenx is pretty much only LG. Recently I have to say he's been using rockets alot more etc but Toxjq is not only a great LGer but amazing with other weapons which is why he's been able to dominate and which is why lots want to see a comeback :P For Q4, think what Strenx has done in the Zotacs... but at LAN for Tox :P

its hard to compare toxjq to other players... he is just a machine.

He's probably still a bit rusty. Give him a week or two to back his awesomeness.
fox + tox = best 2v2 tdm team ever.

no

yes

?

I was saying yes to your no :[

:D

i'm pretty sure you're wrong, even i can hit 50+ with a sens between 20 and 25cm/360°. there's absolutely no reason why guys like stermy or tox wouldn't be able to.

you're simply wrong, sorry :)

I think a large factor in Toxjq's aim is that he uses the keyboard to fire (space bar iirc)

z x mouse1 mouse 2 = directions
c = +attack

fucked up.

I couldn't remember what he used for keys. Long time ago since I saw one of his configs but I remembered something like z = strafe left, x = strafe right, mouse1 = +forward and ctrl was to fire.

Toxjq had no +back key. He was that badass.

Add m_pitch -0.022 to that rather unconventional setup.

dunno, in the old ic cfg I have it's 0.016. We really need to dig out his q4 cfg both from the pre and post 1.3 era.

It was -0.022 in the cfg that was floating around on here about a year ago.

yaw 0.020 and sens 4.5 right ? [ aka sens 4.1 or so ]

Correct. :)

that's the shittiest looking cfg I've ever seen, it's so bland it's disgusting :D

he changed from -0.016 to -0.022 when he started playing q4 (afaik).

terifire also said he was using sens 3. I was wondering if that couldn't be because he increased his yaw or whatever shenanigan cause I can't understand how he would even have been able to do a comfy 180 on a rotated icemat [ big icemats are 30*20 or so right? ]

I played/play with all of them. Toxjq aim for sure better than z4muz with shaft. He is somewhat like strenx, but hit more with other weapons.

ok i watched around 12 mins of dm6 demo

tox is a great player im not arguing about that i like his playstyle and the guy himself but i havent seen any insane lg (we talk lg right?) here sorry

Isn't that a multi pov demo?
If so, he's better off watching the tox only one: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1919736

It's not.

stermy & toxjq (highsens & no accel)

lol

seen from todays standards 20+cm will be regarded by most as highsens. i do also.
back in the beginnings of q3 i played myself with 14cm and considered 7-8 high.

today for myselfs use 40 is low and 30 pretty high already.
everything changes :)

Just, no. 25 cm will never be high no matter how low your personal setup is. 20-25 is medium, deal with it ;)

A lot of people confuse AIM with weapon combination.

I think aimers are people that will use a weapon that would not be suitable to use at the time.

Like if a person has 100 health 0 armor and uses rail up close to hit two rails on a person using rocket up close.

This idea is retarded unless you will hit all your rails perfectly and dodge his rockets perfectly. I consider this person to be an Aimer.

Using the wrong weapon (by quake basics) to 'out aim' the other player.

I mostly see newbies doing this a lot. They don't understand that quake has really balanced weapons and they should switch depending on the situation (health, map layout) and just spam the weapon that they have.

Some people hit ridiculous rails that would be unfathomable to even attempt for a normal person (toxjq) these people have incredible aim.

I've played duels where I've hit 80 rail because I've only used rail to hit really easy finishing shots or lined up shots to take over a map, instead of spamming it and becoming predictable.

Newbies in NA duel don't get the idea of quake, they all want to hit flashy shots or 40% lg like strenx, instead of doing the natural thing.

Which is weapon combination's. If someone is baiting you with LG for an LG fight, start out with LG then switch to rockets and finish him fast and quick. That is the spirit of duel in quake. It's not about testing your aim, its about killing without getting hurt.

During my games i've noticed that there are 'window periods' where the right gun will hit nearly %90 of the time if you have it to use. Just like jump pad LG, there are certain angles that lg/plasma/ direct rockets will hit and certain rails that nearly never miss. If you use your weapon combination at these intergral times you can get a really high accuracy on all guns. I've tested this in ca where i've had all guns, its hard to describe the feeling you get. If you just play to kill.

Rockets can set up really easy shotgun shots, hit a close feet rocket to blast them mid level in air then whip out shotgun and jump right at them, i nearly never miss this. After you just back off.

Plasma to rail is a good one that most know. But I find mg to rail to be easier, people don't fear mg and they dodge it in a predictable pattern, which means switching to rail right after they are dodging your MG is very easy to land.

I see this philosophy in Rapha's play style the most, he will never fight you with the gun you want and never fight you when you want.

This guy is a real dueler.

great post man i agree in 100%

great great great fucking quality post it should be sticked somewhere

i prefer the challenge of out shafting someone who has a bigger stack. even if baited into an lg fight.

there something that is so nice defeating a 150/150 guy with a stack of 100/50 with lg

back then in osp i had good aim and i was outaiming a lot of ppl. but the old osp hitbox is not really good either. :x

now i have 39% average lg and ppl laugh at me. something is wrong here. (i had 41% before the update)

i had a really laggy setup with the old hitbox so i could not really enjoy the hitboxes. i did in fact not hit better than now. most noticeably, my rocket has become really good compared to the old hitboxes (maybe due to sv_fps 40? + hitbox) +back punish me rockets thx ql!

all i know is i can live with the new hitbox but id still like something inbetween in order to make ql less ping dependent again... but just changing to old hitboxes again probably would not help...

maps first, then netcode imho :)

yes, only maps & netcode matters now.

The rest = good.

you need the 'triumvirate' to be good in quake these days:

low sens, low accel and low fov.

everyone else is doing it already, plus don't forget to zoom all the time too! :p

You forgot about crouching while jumping too. Can't be pro without it. :/

my gripe is with the netcode rather then the hitbox. I know that the game is quite playable up to 50-60 ping but I don't get that. in my case it feels like roulette with how much I gotta lead (in same cases no leading!)

I just disabled hitbeep today for lg and mg today because it feels completely random when I try to lock on by sound :(

If the netcode was better, I don't think many people would have an issue with the hitboxes. So, the solution is either make the netcode better or go back to old hitboxes.

osp netcode, hitboxes and weapon balance was perfect. getting close to this is the rise to heaven.

wasnt playable with PINGS greater than 30, actually 20 vs 30 was already imba, but quake was a lan game and still is, its simply the nature of quake. everything that trys to smooth it for higher pings will bring you deprivations on other sides of the game.

ql right now is also fine for me,,,, i feel more disgusted by 80 damage rail than hitboxes tho. rail is no weapon anymore that gives you stable damage to fight for items, its more a small tool now it seems so me.

its more like: oh i hit 1 or 2 rails, that opens up the opportunity for,,,,,

i think 1 rail should really equalize 1 big item.

wasnt playable with PINGS greater than 30, actually 20 vs 30 was already imba

you had ping ~10 ever since '99 :D

hi!

since 2001 tbh. i really enjoyed it . it was a small aimbot yeah :)

:))

for the love of god to change rg dmg back to 100. wrong thread? :D

wrong everything.

im weird

no i dont?

maybe you should edit your post, its weird ;p

I propose we remove all armors and health from duel.

maybe cause you were too used to your excellent ping in Germany

~ 40 was playable (thx to timenudge)

Everyone puked on RA3 netcode but for me it was even better

QL with the same ping is like wtf, where do I have to aim exactly if I wanna hit? ;/

40 ping or 40 ms? 30ms ok.. but 40 was to much.. vs 10ms guy that was a fucking brain fuck

.

I really miss timenudge and prediction. I knew where I was shooting. This isn't halo 3 with sticky aim. Get rid of the unlagged netcode. :o

The only way you'll get rid of the randomness is better anti-lag code and a way to turn it off clientside.

its fcking unlagged netcode... its just impossible to kill the delay aka ping and make it fair for everyone. Thats the reason OSP netcode is most likely the best q3 netcode. ping wins thats just the way it is

The main problem with the new hitbox for most people is that it removes "the wider at the certain angle" bug which most q3 players got used to in all those years which they knowingly or unknowingly abused for the past years. We just got used to shaft raping from some positions with almost perfect lg and thats prolly the main budge with the code. That and the fact that slightly smaller hitbox furthermore widens the gap between a good aimer and a sucky one. The removed possibility of abusing the angle bug, smaller hitbox makes ping more important, pissing people off even witout considering the fact that ql netoode can be random at times.
I myself noticed that i was unknowingly using this bug too my advantage and now when its gone i see how much my aim sucks which is annoying at times :P

isnt it a possibility to make netcodes and hitboxes votable?

yes i tried militia ;D

:DDDDDDD

ain't notin wrong with them hitboxies, proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhciZPTwmsc

garbage

W
T
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IS THAT CFG

morbid fascination levels [-----------------o]
need to try :D

Tell me if I am right, folks: The new quakelive cylindrical hitbox is more harder to hit it in comparison with the old cubic hitbox. Then the aimers railwhores will have more advantage cuz this won´t be a big problem for them but will be a big problem to players with less accuracy. I am right?

Other question: In Q3 arena and cpma mod are with cubics hitbox? Why I feel that is more easier hits with rail in cpma. Then the hitbox is cpma are more bigs that good and old q3 arena?

Thanks in advance!

yup, yup and no, q3/osp netcode is shit while cpma is better hence why you hit more.

hitting more = better netcode?:D

I guess you've never heard about the 50ms lag that's implemented in q3 even in lan games and that osp barely reduced?

That shit gets compensated by laghax and xerp. aka hit where you aim.

everytime someone says q3 osp is the best ever, jesus kills a kitty

hit where you aim? :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo9PCUhsNkA

no i didnt hear of peculiar "50ms lags"

that's called antilag and the demo is taken SERVERSIDE aka doesn't show it. The timing of that particular frag would be nearly impossible to reproduce but from the railer's pov, the guy was still outside of the tp when he shot.

Remember the whine about ql? 90% of it was based on that kind of demos.

and from victim's pov? didnt he reckon the frag after he as through?

Certainly. That case is pretty fucked up though :D

Your case is fucked up

Maybe

lol ivd

It's easier to hit in CPMA because the netcode is like 100x better.

Well I recently tried out cpma recently and the lg was utterly crap compared to ql. Maybe it were the servers (ping 20-40) or the standard cpma cfg.

Config.

I don't think neither laghax or xerp are activated by default + hitsounds have a completely different behaviour.
I hate cpma's lg too cause I keep hearing big fat holes that leave me wondering if I'm hitting or not whereas it would only be a tiny hole in the beepfest that ql's lg is.

Ok this is bs :P Its not better with low sens for shaft etc.The sens you are comfortable with is the best sens and will make you hit the most ofc :S

Tox shaft is up there with the best but the amazing thing about tox is his rail(mostly in tdm tho).
I remember one demo of a pracc or something vs Biber (OSP time i think) that was totally retarded.Ofc Biber didnt have a chance in the first place but i still feel that tox performance there shows exactly how good he was/is :P

Greatest Quaker ever ! Kisses,hugs,cookies and hearts <3 :D

yousay that cuz you're swe.

tho i agree with you that tox is one of the best quaker ever. and very enjoyable to watch.

I watched him for more than half an hour at eswc. he was sitting on a chair. maybe a garden chair. he barely moved.

:D

he must have been in that stand-bye phase, when you put your LG away and take a nap

and me I must be in the phase of talking shit this evening
I better stop

this evening?

Sweet, I didn't know that Justin Biber kid played Quake.

config

It's your config. The lg in cpma is $$$.

but he is right about that 50 ms and cpm eliminating it