pls make youtube vids with timescale 0.0001 and some katy perry in the background. thx.

If this guy was playing my gametype i'd take the effort to do that :) so maybe some ca player will...

I'm just helping those guys out abit by suggesting what looks like an obvious cheat, and certainly after what all of my commentators + viewers said about it whilst we streamed it live, it seemed like the right thing to do.

...and i liked it

reraise

this totally calls for a ddr track.

this + shows his acc aswell please

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1891082#pid1891082

but no katy perry =p

wtf noob

strenx taught him obvsly.

LOL

Hey

Hai nVc.

hello humanized bot

Indeed.

this, the obvious randomized shakes around the dead center of his enemies models are enough to get someone banned if u ask me, srsly, identical shakes when aiming with RL, SG and LG?

k1llsen....

no he just has sens over 9000

or... what was ur point again?

k1llsen has low sens

k1llsen aims/used to aim all shaky like that.
According to your reasoning, he should be banned for cheating.

nope.

So you're saying

this, the obvious randomized shakes around the dead center of his enemies models are enough to get someone banned if u ask me

but that doesn't apply to k1llsen?:(

... pretty much :P

seriously uve never seen this 'humanization' thing modern bots have?

do u even play quakelive, or counterstrike, anything? :P

swear there are cheaters everywhere these days : [

swear there are cheaters everywhere these days : [

swear there are paranoids everywhere these days ;D

is it that weird? ive already found a few cheaters on QL over the past 2 years that did get banned. sure half of them were yuka or whatever that retards name is. anyway this is quake, ppl are good at this fps game, theyre probably good at hiding the fact they arent playing on their own too :>

and maybe u did get unlucky looking 100% like a bot with some random humanisation script enabled, whatever. but if u did cheat ur a faggot :>

I don't cheat hence I'm not a faggot. But I'm still french though. What's worst ? Being a faggot AND french.

i sure is on par that french is same as faggot yes

trying to deflect now are we?

ive already found a few cheaters on QL over the past 2 years that did get banned.

ofc there are cheaters everywhere, for every games etc... But does that make me a cheater ?

im just reacting to the footage, and it looks almost identical to what some bots can do these days. this is just my opinion. but as u can see other people here have seen bots like this before aswell. so like i said, maybe that weird shaking has been a (crazy) coincidence but that doesnt change the footage that exists. ur prolly gonna be watched for a while, and if u did cheat before, uve probably decided to not use it anymore in wich case everything kinda worked out...

sort of.

You can be 200% sure that i never ever cheated :)
Well, maybe i did cheat at school like everyone else, but that's another story :P

The reason why my shaft looks like this is because i'm not only a quakelive player, and i used to practice a lot my shaft aim @ thunderstruck back in 2005-2006 (with fakenicks :D), and sometimes against some really good french and german LGers (stelam, strenx, and some less known but still very good LGers). As you can see, my style of play is essentially based on my shaft, that's why sometimes i even use the shaft when my position isn't that good for it, but when i'm properly warmed up and when i have a "good feeling with my mouse" (c) cooller, i can still do good even with pretty bad positions. But as i already said, i wasn't properlu warmed up, it was the first game of the day for me, and i knew that we would lose anyway, so i didn't bother much, and that's why my acc was average (34-36%). And also because of my ping (around 50, while everyone had around 30 - my team - or 20 - pcm team). My shaking aim can also be explained by the fact that my mouse doesn't slide a lot on my mousepad (QcK+ and almost no more mouse feet :P) and by the fact that i tend to clench my hand when i hold my mouse. And i was used to play with very low sens (40+cm/360°) for like 2-3 years, i play with low-med sens (25-30cm/360°) only since may (a bit more than 1 month ago then), that's why i'm not fully used to my "new" sens. Also, as i said, i'm not 100% q3/ql player only, i'm playing warsow aswell, so i'm used to something faster, if i could, i would use horizontal RJ everywhere... But since you simply can't do that at ql, cuz you would get raped, and since ql is more about "stable and precise aim", i always have to control myself to be 100% focused and to not do weird moves, but i need warmup for that :), or i need to be in a good day :).
And btw, i only play for fun, on and off, i'm not 100% focused on ql or wsw, i also play a bit of starcraft, that probably why i do weird moves or mouse movements sometimes.

If after this long and boring explanation you still think that i cheat, then i can't do anything for you lol

too long many words

french cheat ofc

except it was your early games in which you had 40+% lg and the later games in which you were "warmed up" that you had low 30s.

except that you are retarded

you type like an uneducated lowlife virgin idiot and you're calling me retarded

the only people that are defending you are people not very good at the game and some people that can't be honest with themselves because they share the same flag as you

great to not be on the same continent though I guess. l8

in 2006 you played ra3 duels on thunderstruck against stelam...? you don't happen to still have the demos and screens?

i played lots of ra3
i played lots of q3tdm
i played lots of q3ctf
i played lots of et
i played lots of qw

my aim didn't get shaky by doing any of these, sorry :) that's about as much of an explanation as the infamous it was my n3w g9x guyz and we all know how this one ended.

do you happen to have a crossfire account? what was the nick you were playing with in ET?

i probably have a crossfire account somewhere but never use it. i used to play et pub with my quake friends and at one point tried to get sponsorship to fly to qcon with shuuk. after a short time we had to realize that we weren't any good at et and forgot about the whole thing.

nicks i used where the ones i used in quake at that time, why?

Well I'm an ETPro player. Just asking because I thought I might of heard of you, but with an other nick which you were using in ET ; ).

Doesn't look like humanized to me.

I played ET, and I've seen LOTS of different kinds of cheats and what they can do.

I know a fair bit about the subject...

fucking cheater :D

lol just realized its CA...
like clan arena. what the fuck do i give i shit about that

<multiporn> 1st vid. 1st 30 secs. Any need to watch 2nd vid? :/

cheat or no cheat

he still blows :)

This.

This guy sucks so who cares if he cheats or not?

Don't think he's cheating. Just using a g9x

is that some new commercial or what is up with this g9?

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1787670#pid1787670

thx

np

well thats pretty weak, especially in CA. its like rigging a cardgame with your mother

Still got strenx to have everyone lick his balls.

hello my christian friend. may I join your crusade?

Just having fun. Funny how someone relatively unknown like Heartless will have so many people cry out loud at cheating as soon as he does something suspicious (tbh, I don't see anything wrong in those vids), while someone like strenx who's been a blatant cheater will have everyone forget about it or deny it as soon as he starts to win tournaments.
He even gets in teams together with people who know he's been hacking. That's just how lame the "community" is.

So tbh, even if he were cheating, why worry about Heartless or anyone else ? Just wait for him to be strong enough and everything will be forgiven.
Playing well forgives everything, from beeing a cunt to aliasing and hacking at will !

jealous much?

You do sound like one of those.

those = ?

Playing well forgives everything, from beeing a cunt to aliasing

I think that some people will never forget than i'm a cunt or pro-aliasMan :P

You have a point, on the other hand he is a converted non-cheater these days. With proven lan heroes the "once a cheater, always a cheater" doesn't hold water.

So what ? :)
He cheated and keeps on lying about it. Just because he can hit 50% lg without help nowadays doesn't make up for his cheating, messing with other players' fun (because it really is fun to get raped with 60% lg by an uberwarping hpb who's playing while his father downloads), never apologizing about it, and lying about it on top of it.

Not that I care much. I do find it amusing how people will put everything else aside, thanks to strenx not even beeing an exceptional player (or wasn't, last time I checked), just a very good aimer - which is precisely due to his months/years of playing a hell of a lot and with hacks on, duh.

And the same guys are still jumping on people who are suspected of cheating as soon as they get the chance.

But hey, whatever rocks their boats.

Do you think playing with cheats makes you good faster? I seriously doubt that, regarding both aim and also strategy.

I think everyone deserves a second chance. People have stopped bitching about it now because strenx does not cheat anymore. If he did, again, I think the shitstorm would be even higher, but I guess he won't with normal skill like that.

btw. he is not an aim only player, his movement, decisions, timing are on pro level too.

oh dear.

What a waste of time.

lol thats not a bot you paranoid

I have nothing useful to add, but that wont stop me from posting.

Oh yeah? We'll see about that!

We will, wont we?

wut

Hi guys I didn't watch the videos or download any of the demos, but he's definitely cheating

Is he french?? they all cheat !

the fact that this guy has shown his great aim aim, time an time again in online play alone, does not make him a cheater.

however, he has never played great at a lan. He maybe showed up and beat some mediocreplayers, but thats about it.
online, he seems godlike, compared to lan.

this, plus the fact that great players like 7650087005687 and other similar phonenumbers have come to the conclusion that heartless, who apparently uses a different area code, is cheating, make me support this accusation whole heartedly.

heartless is an obvious french cheat and its about time someone foiled his plans.

nobody would've ever found out, if it werent for you pesky kids!!!

isnt it funny? same in here sometimes(buenos aires)

where is the cheat?.. comon.. is it the cs kids joining quake live and accusing everybody of cheat when they get beat? wth is going on..

i only watched the first vid, what's the problem of his lg?
he doesnt have a great aim or anything he just shakes a lot, but so what,,, i shake a lot too :|

he does not have great aim!? what's great aim then, 70% lg?

the first vid shows 30 seconds.. in 30 seconds of ca even i can get 90% lg, so even if he had that wouldn't be surprising, but i won't see the second vid to see if he keeps hitting like that
cba to do that for someone i never heard of, rofl

rofl, we played duel once when i had music on, and you're eden's friend, and eden is my online friend, we played some duel together, tho i don't play duel anymore, i mean, used to play some dm6 & ztn, but cba with timings and sounds, i just prefer playing some CA with musics...

Serious business. Interwebz drama.

;D

you can get 90% lg against these guys? vs [pcm] over 30secs? i need prove :X

30 secs = 1 round? sure lol

30secs lg

hmm, the lg aim looks really jerky, does anyone have a demo of a humanized aimbot to compare? as far as i am concerned it could also be some weird mouse setting and in the end he doesnt hit any crazy accuracies so why use an aimbot?

look @ this video.

here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3mDn0-qfuw

ps. whatched again few mins. ofcors plazma is too good, just few ppl in world can shoot like this (and rockets , then etc he felt from bridge @ dm6), such mouse movement have just best of best.
but lg looks nice.. mg a bit sux, but its look better then this guy video :D

Hmm seems more like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4P-nqs0SsE&feature=related

wow tbh that aimbot looks legit 95% of the time

It does look very real, but I think that by making it real it kinda bypasses the usefulness of using it. I mean, I aim like in the video. (Well not plasma).

And how much would it affect your movement? How do you decide how to aim? I don't really know how that works sooo :D

Better just to lower your sens and get used to it.

so always knowing times on powerups (quad mega etc) isn't usefull? And the wallhack is just redundant?

I know that english isn't your first language, but I think that my post is quite obviously talking about an aim bot with naturalization.

http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/summary/tbone
http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/summary/vium

I think that settles this matter.

at least try linking the correct profile next time

http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/statistics/tB0nE

Also, I don't see what your point is?

For comparison:

http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/statistics/He4rTL3sS

Damn, that's a shit bot.

http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/statistics/rapha

Wow I get higher acc's than rapha, I'm sure that my overall aim stats is a true representation of how well I aim.

Wins: 1,162
Losses / Quits: 268 / 48
Wins: 504
Losses / Quits: 514 / 103

I think this settles the matter.

lol @ troll

it's called copy paste.

wanna 1on1 shaft dool Guard ?

what? :))

I believe he's implying homosexual intercourse and would like to know if you accept

to hard words for quard, rereply

I think he's either cheating OR he's not.

Can't argue with this statement.

I agree OR I disagree.

maybe

oh so thats why he suddenly learned to LG in the last few weeks, getting 45% lgd everywhere on CA :<

nah, his lg was always good. i remember playing some ca pickups with him 3-4 months ago.

guess he's been cheating for a while then !

Or maybe i'm playing for a while and i practiced my lg a lot ?

lol yeah, he was always so avarage :)

says the noob

How about you bring that case to the CB admins?

I think Liam is right also

played with and against this guy a few times on pub and he plays weird but good (good compared to me i mean :> )

if some1 sees an aimbot in these vids he should prolly head back to play cs ..

i stopped scrolling at Ca

/care

have a mate that does exactly the same in Enemy territory, its seriously weird but he did the same on lan, so i guess it's just mouse settings

Well... Nothing special, strenx has the same jerky movement, just less noticeable.

Point proven then. :o)

I think no one is speaking of his movement, its about the aim.

I'd say, way to go Heartless.

If I were you, I'd go on playing 24/7 and denying everything untill you're strong enough so that everyone is all over how strong you are.

Go buddy, you'll have everyone suck your cock in no time !

why ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autofellatio is enough for me, i don't need anything else.

<3 wikipedia

100% cheat. Remember that with todays cheats you can set what kind of humanization you want, from 0-100%. And different settings on all weapons is no problem. Sadly enough, they are undetectable and videos like this will never be seen as enough proof.

cos all this type of vids come from team games and especially clan arena which is nothing more but a noobfest so WHO CARES

Does not mean this video shows someone using a humanized aimbot though.

Oh the paranoia:(

Nope it doest mean that it is, it just is. I don't want to sound elitist but there is no way around it. Some people can spot this, and some can't. And there is a reason for it.

LOL, it's time to buy new glasses :P

Defensive mode, where do I recognize this from... hmm

:))))

hooray, I was so waiting for that line ... :(

it was quite obvious tbh.

You're a respected member of this 'online community' and saying stuff like that without any evidence isn't the best of ideas imo.

Some people will trust that what you say is correct, and so the witchhunt begins.

Why do you think you're qualified to identify him as a cheater?

I just don't think people should be banned because some people find him dodgy.
Seen it happen so many times over the years:(

How many have been banned without evidence? And as I say, to me that isn't suspicions. I also wrote that videos isn't proof enough. But since there is NOTHING that can detect cheats in QL, except retarded people who send screenshots of themselves when they use it, why should I shut up about it? When he comes to a lan and shafts as good as he does there, I'll gladly tell him I was wrong and sorry. I will do precisely that to guard aswell if he ever shows up to an event and performs as he does online. Until that happens, in my eyes, they are both cheaters. And that still doesn't mean that they should be banned from competitive play, because it's just my opinion.

And in case you didn't notice, the witch hunt had already begun, and I wasn't even the first "respected" member that said it.

Alright, I see your point.

No buts, I get what you're saying:D

Fair enough :D

But there's still 1 problem : I don't play duel :-x (well, only for fun or when i wanna feel like fatal1ty)
And CA isn't really my favorite gametype in fact =). DA @ Thunderstruck FTW TBH.

care for a shaft duel at thunder?

don't have q3 installed anymore. But we could try tourney5 @ ql or dm17 @ wsw ? :D

thought so.

I will do precisely that to guard aswell if he ever shows up to an event and performs as he does online. Until that happens, in my eyes, they are both cheaters.

If you're not serious, at least try to make it look funny :(

I'm serious, and so is alot of other people, no one dares to say it though.

You do know that guard has attended quite a few LANs in Lithuania, don't you?

Where he has faced off with the brilliant masters of quake. I hope he attends dh and proves me wrong. I don't want to be right.

To be fair, he played against fire_bot, who's finished well in online cups too. Unless you think they both cheat, that would make their rivalry quite interesting :) But obv. I can't know for sure.

Using cheats doesn't mean being totally useless in game now does it. It helps out but surely doesn't mean instawins, since you have to make it look real. And what can a good incentive to use em? OH yea, cash tournaments!

what exactly has guard won?

Where did I write that he won something?

you obviously insinuate that he won some cash tournaments with cheats. so which one has he won?

I didn't insinuate that he won anything, I insinuated that cash is a incentive for it. But I do think he has won some zotac/gdatas.

hm I can't say I've watched much of guard but he doesn't seem like that sort of character, whereas walter/sombra/etc fit the profile perfectly. could it be that my online cheater profiling skills are failing me?

Or I am wrong.

no.......nonononono... NO .... NO!!!

[bold]NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO[/bold]

I haven't even see video from this thread, nor I know the players, but....

You played ET in past, right?

>I just don't think people should be banned because some people find him dodgy.
Seen it happen so many times over the years:(

Yeah, like super or kentas cases in ET...

Like 90% of comments after bust videos were posted said that he's clean, yet for some people, including me these videos were obvious as hell.

There is no working anticheat in these games, and only way to bust 100% cheaters is when they fuck up and post screens (like vila few days ago:D) or do some other dumb shit.

Then you have gray area where such bust videos come in, they often indeed are showing nothing, but sometimes, even if not obvious enough they might give a hint at something for more experienced players.

There was a stream, he gave us his demos willingly. I think cheating on a stream and then give your demos would be pretty stupid so i don't think he cheats. Plus, his stats are average.

using your logic a thief who freely agrees to a police search in his house or whatever is not a thief

rememebr that there many ways to defend yoursefl including beeing nice and cooperative

I'm a true gangsta man, I know how it works

it looked like as if the shaft was suppose to hit a certain accuarcy and not above - you should see the whole vod there are some points where his shafting is just soooo weird - i cant really put it into words.. watch it and you'll see that something must be clearly wrong.

yeah like when he misses easy shots and then aim like a monster the next second, twitch aim and all...

Congratulations!

You've just won the broken logic award.

I dont know, offense is the best defense ;)

and as fazz already said, you can set the percentage you want to hit, so its still not sure if its cheat or not :/ i am gonna watch his demos with shownormals on and check if there is something to see....

shownormals show nothing

watch rapha or cypher on shownormals and ull c they wh too

while they dont

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgnHN3YfPTo

exactly

bad example. here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLLUsRdznSA

and as fazz already said, you can set the percentage you want to hit, so its still not sure if its cheat or not :/

but then everyone could be a cheater!

Yes, i have to admit that i'm so good with the shaft that i needed to use a "decrease shaft's accuracy hack" so that nobody will ever accuse me of cheating.

I'm interested: Is there any proof that such a feature like this exists? I've heard tons of people mention it, yet no one give any proof something like that exists. I mean, you folks seem to know tons about hacks, so I assume you can present some proof that these features exist. Thanks.

Leaked info about private hacks, bust lists, feature lists on cheat selling sites, etc.

Can you provide any of this? Like a screenshot from one of the sites (with the url blotted out and whatever)?
Leaked info from reliable source? Any link to this leaked info?
Considering how many straight up lies I've heard people make up in this game so far, I'm pretty reluctant to believe something without some strong evidence.

Man, thousands of threads on crossfire.nu :D

Check out some sites I guess.

Cheatcoders seems to be down, wich is a good thing ofcourse!:D

Cheats like this have been known to exist for years, just check youtube.

will do when i get home. i was hoping for someone to do the research for me.:).

I don't like posting links to cheat sites:\

But here you go

http://www.mombot.co.uk/products.php?name=buffalo-cod4-premium

Human Aim - Adjust how fast the aimbot moves

Effectively changing how accurate it tracks.

Yeh, but what is 'human aim' is what I am asking. Is it that behavior where you go around the enemy hitbox a lot, or is it just making aim slower?? Ill look up youtubes later today.

check your compile directory it should be in there.

It makes aiming look more human, slower tracking, doesn't track 1 specific point of the enemy all the time, doesn't 'react' too fast etc.

Whoever thought that shaking the mouse around like that looks human in any way is a complete idiot.

is it so fucking hard to understand you CAN'T say 100% if something's a wallhack or not?

if i'm using a wallhack, do you know that i see through walls? no, you don't. am i forced to move my crosshair dead-on the enemymodel through the wall like some russian idiot managed to do while shooting through 3x wall? not really.

what's stopping me from acting like i don't know where the enemy's at, spamming rockets grenades all over the place and whatever while being aware of his position all the time? nothing.

it's a waste of time.

Pauvre connard heartless !

bien dit ;-)

wow this fucking french idiot argues about game balance ANY time someone brings it up and he cheats in clan arena

fuck you

rofl, esr drama ;D

it's not cheat, it's human cheat.

HES FRENCH LIKE

hi guys.

you can find my cfg there : http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1793688

as you can see, I'm playing with med-low sens (more low than med), about 25-30cm/360°. No mouse accel, default pitch/yaw/whatever, m_filter off, 500hz @ 800dpi @ 120hz CRT. My mouse is a steelseries kinzu without any drivers.

if you wanna practice your shaft skillz, just pm @ irc #qlpickup.fr, and let's go for 1on1 shaft battles ! (60€ / hour)

if you want me to show you some even more suspect quakelive profile url / demos, just pm @ irc (30€/1 url/1 demo)

as you can see @ the video, the pcm guys had 20ms, and i had 50, i'm not afraid of anything, just like cypher.

if my mouse movements were shaking, it's cuz it was the first game of the day for me, i wasn't warmed up, and i'm still not 100% used to my "new" sens (used to play with very low sens for years), if you wanna know more about this, just pm @ irc (25€ / 10mn)

if you wanna know if i'm really that good, then pm @ irc (but show me of picture of your tits first)

but how much is the wallhack itself?

100% free (just like QL, so then it should be a good wh........), if you wanna know the url, then pm @ irc (50€ / 1 url)

So you want ppl to pay you inorder to learn how to shaft like a methaddict??

obvious cheat is obvious

next time, please .. at least TRY to be funny.

fucking french frogs.

you're a nobody.

and very bad at trolling.

How on earth is this trolling? Is everything trolling nowadays? I just pointed at your non-existent humour.

Are you fucking retarded?

just like everything in the SC community these days gets called cheese.

You're a nobody.

based on what? do i have to beat you in quake to be qualified to dislike your humour?

Yes you have.

brah, a german just called you out on humor and he won. srsly, wtf?

I wouldn't read too much into it. At the end of the day it was Germany vs France

There was only one outcome.

ref stepped in to save the poor frenchies?

congratz on the ego boost man

No, i just try to be as much realistic as i can.

:P

Did you actually win any decent tournament vs anyone remotely good in a mode that isn't absolutely useless?

Thought so.

yes :D

Thought so ':D'

Hm, after watching for about 3minutes I realized it was CA and /quit...

Oh, and also, this guy is cheating.

#1: (only first 30 seconds, which is the most obvious, ignore pov switch to unity): http://www.livestream.com/lvlup/video?clipId=...0a88dd941f

haha so obvious

u should invest im some more expensive hax mate

shaky hands hahah yeah right

i don't think its cheat, just shaky aim.
do you really think a humanized bot would act like a practice bot aim? i thought that kind of cheat was suppose to be smart and not eminently make you think of Mayor or Xaero when you see it.

i really don't like witch hunting like this, its so easy to find 'fishy' stuff (like when walter posted that Chyper vid) if you really want to find it. and all you need is a accusation against someone and it will be almost as bad for their image as an actual prof so and don't think its fair to do this against someone, unless you actually have real prof.

except no one thought anything in the cypher vid was suspicious

if his aim was shaky, it wouldnt be within the bounds of the hitbox :(

well ofc noone did because its cypher but lets say that would have been a vid of walter, don't you think everyone would have screamed cheater? ofc everyone would.
all I'm saying is I'm not 100% convinced and there for I'll rather go whit not cheating.

Then again in Heartless's case, "within the hitbox" would lead to more than 34% accuracies, right ?

42%

tbh look at the demo instead of the stream which is a bit laggy.

kthxbye.

thread closed :)

yuka is back? or Satan? who knows.

obvious cheat is obvious

Heartless Satan.

The one interesting thing about this drama is that the guy who's actually been accused hasn't outright just denied it. He's just looked smug, laughed and danced around it trying to make light of it.

Guilty much?

it's for the drama.

Long live ESR.

From what i remember, his aim has always been very good.
Shame i cannot wolfcam the old demos ;<

maybe we could tell shit from that video if you weren't fucking with it every 1.5 second.

lol.. nobody shafts like that, unless they're on crack.

I thought that cheat-paranoiac people were only found on random spanish servers, every time someone hits more than 10%.

Guess I was wrong.

THREAD. FUCKING. SAVED.

oh yes

Gj!

Her bum has hair like a peach.


Mmmmmm peachy.

If you're staring at the hair on her bum, you're missing the forest for the trees.

Is that Elin Grindemyr's butt I see?

No idea

dayum!

i keep coming back to this thread just for this picture.

the next miss quaker

At least you're becoming famous!
Don't forget guys he is from soul's clan. Cool clan with cool people eh.

To less drama in this thread :(

its one of the most stupid thread ever :D, heartless has been playing countless ca games over public and pickup channels, no one ever accused him of cheating even if he was usualy hitting over 40% lg accuracy, and, on a simple video showing him ruining some pcm as the same he's ruining ppl on public makes him the most 'wanted' to be ban guy xD
there's not only him shaking or hitting in weird angles, look the other good players, u might be surprised at how many hits weird things =)

gooday

its not hard to hit 40% lg in clan arena but those shakes re obvious

His LG looks pretty weird, the same in all 3 maps, what do you guys think?

I think you're paranoid.

Hm, first video looks legit... gonna love flame and excuses in here tho :-D

strange is the amount of people that thinks he cheats, hes aim isnt even as good as high / pro player, he might have 40% lg but you can see he is killing low/med skill players.. and in CA its pretty easy to get 40% especialy when your oponent is not that high skilled or dont have a good dodging/straff skill, or hes just jumping around like a retard.

re u fucking retarded? noone judges him cos of stats

as i said before anayone can hit 40% in clan arena because its the easiest game mode

but those shakes re an obvious aimbot

maybe he used it like once or twice but still its an aimbot

those shakes are not obvious aimbot.. shaking is not connected to aimbot by any means.. you should watch more people playing and see that alot of people specialy high sens players shake like that..
maybe you should get a clue about what is obvious or not

well i guess ill just quote 7herm on this,

are u fucking retarded?

did u miss the videos linked halfway in this thread?

i just saw the videos in the main post, and he is not cheating in those ones..

but i guess i must be a retard as I dont see any cheats..

maybe i must be raped by him in CA, like you guys were, to identify the cheats, is that it?

derp, guess ill fckn chew ur food for u

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1890006#pid1890006

actually im watching alot of quake and i know what im saying

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE HE WAS USING AN AIMBOT

i dont fucking care if he uses it still and how long was he using im just 100% sure that those shaky shaky shakes were caused by an aimbot no doubts about it

acually i dont care about someone cheating in clan arena seriously i piss and shit on the guy im just telling the fact

less rage pole

actually im watching alot of quake and i know what im saying

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE HE WAS USING AN AIMBOT

The fact is that, no matter how many demos & videos you've already watched, you're still wrong. This is really sad for you man.

there were a topics like this in the past and sooner or later it allways turned out that the guy was cheating so i guess u re gonna have to change your nick soon too its just a matter of time hf

there were a topics like this in the past and sooner or later it allways turned out that the guy was cheating

Which topics ?

so i guess u re gonna have to change your nick soon too its just a matter of time hf

I guess you're gonna realize that you are retarded sooner or later, just a matter of time. But meanwhile pls go back to quakelive.com forum and don't try to act smart there pls.

as i said before anayone can hit 40% in clan arena because its the easiest game mode

The fact is that, CA might probably be the easiest gametype, but you're still bad at it. In fact i think that you're bad, whatever the gametype, but cuz you heard some "pro" said "zomg CA is shit", then you HAVE TO agree with them. You should keep posting @ quakelive forum, at least here nobody can suspect you of being a retard. You are pole, unskilled, retarded and fucking bad at trolling, you know the solution now right ?

i dont play quake for long and i dont need to copy anyones opinions

clan arena is a fun mode and after like a year of playing i can hit 40% lg vs the the same players u did with ease

this only prooves that u re bad my friend

and im not trolling this time

the more u post here the more im convinced

of course i dont give a shit about u and ur hax i just saw a topic, watched the movies, then c your posts and gaved my own opinion thats all

it mab be u re not cheating now etc but cos u re so fucking stupid il say it again that in this particular fucking moment there was an aimbot enabled

andu should just stfu cos u re not even smart enough to defend yourself effectively

how old re u? 14?

i dont play quake for long

stopped reading there.

no u didnt ;)

look one have to be blind to not c an aimbot there

im arguing with u for fun cos i c how u panic

noones gonna proove ure hacking

if u stopped now ppl gonna forget after a while

or u re gonna try it again and get caught again

then this topic gonna reach 1k maybe 2k posts heheh

yuka sequel

"...and after like a year of playing i can hit 40% lg vs the the same players u did with ease"

pics or it didn't happen

strange is the amount of people that thinks he cheats, hes aim isnt even as good as high / pro player, he might have 40% lg but you can see he is killing low/med skill players..

I lol'ed.

:)

actually those guys he aim owned are some of the best ra3 players from the old days. they might be shit at timing items but they sure aren't shit at aiming.

Thx @ lvl down TV for this amazing thread....

Haha +1.
I hope they stream the 3rd place final to have a little more fun.
Ho and i wonder how many of the people saying it's easy to hit 40% in CA can actually do it (not on public servers of course).

u dunno what u re talking about even the shittest stream cant cause sucha shakes

Thx @ raged frog for this ultra witty response....

i just watched the second vid and ye his lg is shaky, eden shakes a lot with lg too , just not that much xD
but whatever, dunno / don't care
it's ca ffa who would care

well, since obviously most human beeings are lazy, heres a reasonably HQ video i put together from the demo footage:

1024x768 on 50 fps.
linky or zippyshare mirror (dont watch it on zippyshare, click download :p)

7:44 + 7:46 is the kind of shakes ur looking for, this time using an SG (lol SG)

id say he uses it for a brief moment around 8:58 aswell, disables it, and loses track :P

the kill on 9:08 looked suspicious, and what about the 'snapping' to the enemy model on 9:09, that was pretty fast PLUS that it snapped to the right position someone with 50ms would need in order to make ur bot work.... or did i imagine this all?

derp?

edit: thanks to Guard and Vapour, comparison material :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3mDn0-qfuw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4P-nqs0SsE&feature=related

even when the bot misses it not "a human way to miss with lg" its just programmed to do circles around the hitbox to not hit 100%

//thread

man i don't know,while watching the lvl vod i thought fragmasterr had better aim ;)

Thks man, i think these videos are a good way for me to analyse my aim, and try to be better !

That said, you can record as much demos as you can, you can ->try<- to analyse every single move with showtriss, shownormal, noclip, timescale whatever, I still know that i'm not cheating. Whatever you will do and say, it won't change the fact that i'm NOT cheating. Some people may be naive or paranoid enough to believe you, but here again, there's one thing that i'm sure of : i'm NOT cheating. I know that i can't convince everyone, I know that for whatever reasons there will always be suspicious people, but at least i'm sure that i'm not cheating :).

i wonder how many times you have stated "i know that i am not cheating" in this thread

if there wasn't as "many" people saying that i'm cheating, i wouldn't say everytime that i'm not cheating. As simple as that.

or it sounds like u regret what u did and ur trying real hard to make it sound right to make sense of it in ur own mind ;>

I will not state my opinion on heartless; however, I will state my opinion about how you people 'argue', if you can call it that. I am saddened by the tactics you use, although I always suspected it would be something like what I have seen.

I am accused myself, and therefore I have great insight into how accusers operate and how arguments play out. You can see the thread "MICR0N?" to better understand where I am coming from. I will not comment on whether or not I am guilty or innocent, as that is for the other thread.

After some time observing and reading the many threads here and elsewhere, I think I have a good enough understanding of the people in this community to make this judgement: Any statement an accused cheater makes, as becks says, is used against him as further evidence that he cheats. Here are some examples:

1) If he says he does not cheat, then this is what "any cheater would say" and is in fact an admission of guilt.

2) If he doesn't defend himself, and instead pokes fun of the situation, then it is brought into question why he does not defend himself. People then suggest that his actions in this case provide evidence that he is cheating.

3) If he does not comment at all, then people wonder why he is so quiet. They state that the silence is an admission of guilt.

So, what choices are the accused given?
In my opinon, just one: Admit to it.

What about the other 'choice', you say? Going to a lan.

This does not seem to be sufficient. kgb and walter, both heavily accused of cheating, decided to attend lans; however, many still seem to believe they hack, and it looks as if people still give them a hard time about it.

Now you may say: What about going to a lan and doing extremely well? That will prove you were legitimate online!

Sadly, this also doesn't seem to be the case: strenx has proven himself as a strong player on lan. I will not immediately say "world-class", but if he isn't, he is close. I am told (whether or not this is true, I do not know; however, with this community, the truth doesn't really matter. Rumor rules. The idea of "reasonable doubt" is thrown out the window.) that he cheated in the past. He was never caught, but people believed that he cheated. Many people have not forgotten this, and it will follow him forever, regardless of whether or not it is true and what he has achieved.

Now to an ex tent the above paragraph makes sense. Just because you do well on lans does not rule out the possibility that you cheated online. What I am trying to get at is, it should not matter. Unless you blatantly cheated and were *CAUGHT* online, you should be given the benefit of the doubt. If you did well on lan, bumped heads with some top players, you should be respected and treated as a strong player both offline and online. Your reputation should not be destroyed because of accusations from the past that haunt you.

Another thing to notice is the lack of people with real opinions on the matter. I have stated this before and I think if unbiased people study the replies made both on forums and in IRC/IM conversations, they may understand where I am coming from: Most people are followers of the masses, *ignorant* to the evidence presented. This is true not only of this community, but of many others. It is how people work. It is the "tl;dr" mentality combined with the desire people have to want to fit in with a group.

In general, people do not want to spend the time going over the evidence. In what I have observed, with cheat accusations against players like walter, kgb, heartless, satan, and myself, it is one person who brings in a demo they think is questionable (our evidence) who states their opinion. This is fine! This is good! This is also where proper evaluation of the evidence breaks down! You have a collection of people stating (in perhaps more words) "I agree.", without justifying why they agree. They do not justify, because in many cases they have not gone over the evidence thoroughly. Maybe they haven't even looked at the evidence at all. They see that the person who posts the demo is either (or a combination of):
a) someone who has busted real cheaters in the past.

b) someone who is a respected member of the quake community.

In accordance with the fascination people have with always being right, these people will agree with the original poster solely because they want to be in agreement with someone who has a good chance of being right. Their own opinion is non-existent.

So I pose this question to the community, and I want to see if there can be some agreement reached: If you are a relatively unknown player and you are doing extremely well, well enough that people begin to suspect you are cheating and the rumor starts to spread, is there truly a way to rid yourself of the accusations? Are you damned? Is it really as easy as "go to a lan," because from what I have been reading, it isn't.

My personal opinion: If you are accused and the rumor builds up enough momentum: simply put, you're fucked.

I know that I will get mostly short responses with useless content, flaming, etc. That is to be expected, and I am fine with it. What I hope from at least a few (or even one!) of you readers is a coherent response that addresses some of my points. Whether or not you agree with me is besides the point. I would be happy to see someone in agreement, sure; however, I would be happiest to see someone *FORM THEIR OWN OPINION* and back it up. I am sure that even on a forum like this at least a few people are capable of this :).

To those who are not the "tl;dr" types, thanks for reading this long rant. I appreciate your donation of time.

*A Note: While I am no expert in psychology, my college minor was in this subject. I am no stranger to human behavior and my statements are not baseless. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to locate studies (of which there are many) which explain the leader-follower mentality in more detail.

tldr, did u watch the footage in question? :)

Yes.

y cheat cheater?

I find that way of arguing despicable regardless if he does cheat or not.

you are actively trying to keep people from defending themselves against public accusations, because you are trying to establish that defending alone should be seen as proof of guilt.
And on top of that many people see it as "silent agreement" if someone does not reply.

Great mindset for witchhunts.

So fucking keep to actual proof like you did in the first post and give him the chance to defend himself.

hey, we're doing the good cop bad cop thing here, go sit in a corner till we're done.

see this is where you're wrong. there's defensive reply and there's frantically replying to every single post on every single forum with insults. also repeating the phrase "I don't cheat" 100 times like a parrot is a clear indicator when someone is guilty.

shouldn't the choice of defense be up to him instead of up to the tribunal?

sure, doesn't mean the tribunal has to believe him tho

of course not.

okay you convinced me, he isnt cheating

hm first footage of nvc doesn't look too suspicious to me. tbh who cheats in streamed games, demo duty games is really a bit dumb.

i have played some public ca games with heart and there it never looked strange.
but who knows. at least it isnt as obvious as nopcode in the good old ra3 thunderstruck encounters, or whichever was the nick of that coderfreak :>

tbh who cheats in streamed games, demo duty games is really a bit dumb.

tbh who plays video games, is really a bit dumb.
fixed

tbh who doesn't plays video games, but trolls on a video game website, is really a lot dumb.
fyp

Didn't watch any demos or videos, but if so many people say he cheats, he cheats. Ban him for life.
Also, everyone who protect him must be cheaters also who don't want their cheats to be exposed in the same way. They should be banned too.

Didn't watch any demos or videos, but if so many people say he cheats, he cheats. Ban him for life.

Nice reasoning !

lol

I am glad that you agree.
How about you ban yourself voluntarily?

You first :P

I say he doesn't cheat.

Why u take a game so seriously? U waste so much energy to think and search if someone cheats or not.

I like the drama though

Then you clearly are a cheater too and should be banned.
After all, it's e-sport, very serious business.
Drama? Don't understand what you mean. This is not a theater.

boring, post more youtube videos...

Why this has 201 comments? Well 100 are from Heartless himself but still.

:)))

101

french + fag + cheater = BINGO

So blatantly cheating to be honest. This is more obvious than Yuka's video's.

Registered: 24 Apr 2009
Posts: 50

nuff said. Maybe you discovered quake just yet ?

lol :D

the most funny thing about this is that the guy is trying to defend himself in the same primitive way yuka was

psychological portraits match in 100% ;D

hes so guilty he just cant help to not post here all that bullshit

havent u changed your mouse recently heartless??? lmao

I've uploaded 2 Vods from his demos pov, CA1 and dm20. If you are not completly blind, check CA1 (you have to forward a bit, before the demo starts)

Link is http://www.own3d.tv/lvlup#/watch/27820

And ERK:

you obviously didnt watch the game, as he wasnt really "beating up some pcm's", in fact i even outshafted him directly in the 1st round without having to bot.

As far as i know from what i heard, you can set a percentage you want to have with that humanized bot, and if u arent completly dumb you wouldnt of course set it to 70% or something.

and its not only the shaft that is botted, its the rockets as well, if you follow his aim the rockets get predicted and hit full all the time, i wont give him too much credit as he suxx.

nevertheless, even if we didnt win that match 3:0 they should have gotten a forfeit loss, cause he has been using freefloat cam to give away our position on CA1 this is cheat as well.

so gg skill3ss

on that vod, check 4:40... oO :D

EDIT: rofl at freecam position telling :D

with who are you debating the demo during the vod frag? :D

heh u can tell hes using an aimbot only by his weapon choices and positioning its all wrong and far from natural

heartless come and call some more ppl idiots pls or give some better explanation like a new mouse or a mousepad or hmm a new keyboard maybe or a new chair!

and i demand photos of them all!!!!

sad

haha.. pictures of the bills please!

I want to punch people who say "LOL" instead of laughing.

LOL

just curious but how is this handled in a game? do the admins look at the demos afterwards to see that someone was using free-floating cam to give away position, or just if you're found out you get penalized?

ahah, at least you're good at keeping the drama alive...

Didn't know for the free chase cam btw. And tbh i find it stupid to not allow the players to use it. It's a good anti-camp system.

I don't know if you're serious or if you don't like me or if you just want to keep the ESR drama alive, but tbh it's starting to become annoying.

And if you wanna 1on1 shaft, then just ask at irc, and we'll see if you're that good with it ;).

such blatent cheats in that

this is so fucking obvious it shouldn't even be discussed.

but hey here's a hint, challenge him for a shaft duel at ra3 thunder, see what happens. :)

wait for the next ql update

I'm sure your cheats cover updates.

you're just scared to get destroyed on ql thunderstruck, and then you start to make excuses 3 weeks before our game.

sure thing champ. thunder 1on1 nau?

Not really sure why you are mentioning me in here since I haven't posted in this thread (prior to this) and don't really have anything to do with the CA cup except spawning servers if needed.

obviously a cheater, hope id will do anything to about it...

hope id will do anything to about it...

g1

Well people who think he doesnt cheat are quite retarded.
This is for sure human aimbot.

Where there is smoke there is fire or perhaps a yuka.

where there is smoke,its probably just some stoners


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Never believe a French.

Believe me.

Don't believe in yourself. Believe in me who believes in you!

you should believe in those who believe in nothing

there are more cheats like, red sprite, tiest0s xenonji

k

Who is tiest0s ? it seems it is not Stermy.

i thought it was either stermy or booms(?), maybe exp?

i asked to Stermy few months ago, and he don't know who is tiest0s.

so now, yeah, i think he is booms

fox, stermy and bodzo

could be wrong about fox tho but i doubt it

i think your alone on that one...i mean fox and stermy ? what the fack

nope

I also shake sometimes with shaft when i play with other mouse without feet. Got low sens so mouse kinda glues himself to pad so it s hard to move it smooth...
Also got accused from some dumb spec 2 days ago even tho i sucked n lost both duels xD, well at least now i realize it s duo this thread.
It s also not good to accuse someone of cheating by watching two short clips.
If put out of context any decent player will look like cheat.

Cheers.

Any decent player will look like a cheater in slowmo - aim, prediciton etc.. you can see so much strange stuff in slowmo, so you could call every 2nd player a cheater.
When i watch that Shotgun Scene, where some of you here can see a clear cheat happening.. WTF?
What can be interpreted into that? 3 Shots on that one guy and 1 half hit - like 3 pellets hitting. WHO would configure his bot to 5 percent sg-accuracy (I suck at maths!!! ;) )
Or these LG scenes.. this has clearly become a witchhunt as someone was already stating. There are hundreds of players who are more suspicious but i would never call them cheaters based on that kind of evidence.
Will shaky movement be an indicator for cheaters/aimbotters?

Crazy stuff happening here 0o (or is it just me?)

I find it funny that some people accusing me of cheat know more about "aimbots" than i do...

u re so smart damn

try to proove it by defending yourself in less retarded way

im 100% sure that u were using aimbot on the movie i saw

maybe it was like once or two but still u did it sir

i dont care about ban or whatever i wish u well i just know what i saw thats all

im 100% sure that u were using aimbot on the movie i saw

im 100% sure you're a bad troll

keep the witty comments comming, btw why are u trying to defend urself so much, why not just /care and laugh at it? do u have smt to hide? ;p

I do both, i try to defend myself, and i laught, cuz i like the ESR drama.

What if everyone knew i was using a wallhack but didn't know i had FOOD in my eyes?

Would that be cheating or not?

Would the food negate the wallhack and if so, what kind of food and how much of it?

dos pesos

10 grams of cayenne pepper would negate WH

he should be banned at esreality as well

=)

[nvc]

http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/summary/MISTERAMD

who dat? :>

funny 57% mg, 51% lg, 68% rg

and only 42% general stats.

This is so hard, to get around 40% general stats nowdays.

Strenx is now 38% (peak was 45%).

Stermz (Stermy) only 35%, same for Fox.

I played Vs MISTERAMD a night before he got banned. I knew right away.

I can tell by one rail.

look, when thread hit 300 reply, is prove heartless is cheat ok? 300 reply, remember this !

it took 2k posts to proove yukas cheating

it wont happend eralier with heartless either

or it will never happen cos he can stop using it

am kidding. is stoopid to chat and sit weather hack occur or not in silly ca no ? hack or not, he still french, this all needed to know ok ?

thats making him gay

not sure about hax

they hax too? damn ;/

I'm not convinced it's a hack.


\o/ Come On England! \o/

so what now? cmon, flame on :(

Well the shaft shacking is hilarious... unless u got parkinsons ppl dont shake it like that @ this kinda of game level.

Not saying he cheats or not but its REALLY weird play.

Guys my aim is super shaky as well but i can't hit 30% lg what does that mean plz

wallhack

]:-E

http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/statistics/unluckyone

http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/summary/dancingSMURF

http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/matches/dan...36/Tourney
Looks like this dude is turning it on when he needs

http://www.mediafire.com/file/5jqin1xzj3m/demos.rar

demos of dancingsmurf

noob posting noob vs noob demos

Imo he is not a cheater.

http://www.quakelive.com/#profile/summary/TwiggY93

new star

60% bfg accuracy, shit is crazy!!!

Imo he cheats.

This is not possible to play dm17, doing 13 frags with machin gun, with a 52 % accuracy.

etc etc ...

lmao@polish anticheat alliance c:

ALSO THREAD NEEDS MORE SKULLHEAD

speaking of cheats has anyone seen thetoptriad play? I'm not accusing him but I know a lot of people have. Every time hes in a game he gets accused. I've never seen that happen to anyone (not matter how good they are)

hi king_. ggs.

hey triad :)

how's it going? not so well for me... LOLOLOLLOLOL.

things will look up soon triad ;P

I'll be gone and on a different alias before anything matters :P.

asshatbrown@gmail.com

I am going to sign that e-mail up for a lot of pornography spam.

Amusing how these kids have a couple of things in common:

- mediocre to horrible movement
- outshafts strenx/toxjq/stermy/z4muz
- likes to type endless amounts of shit on ESR

and most importantly: they think random arena is where it's at

oh wait, they _only_ play clan arena. Kinda sums it up for me.

maybe so but clan arena would be where you could practice aim the most.

Clan arena is almost as bad as instagib. Almost.

so whatyou still have the chance to fine tune weapon aim

"- mediocre to horrible movement"

lol you didn't watch me enough play and you say that.

retard.

ofc sometimes i fail RJ, but that's mainly cuz i went from krait to kinzu, so the mouse clic is harder on the kinzu, then i have to get used to it 100%. Takes some time, cuz i was playing with the krait for like 2-3 years or more. And i wasn't only playing quakelive, soz sometimes i get some weird feelings when i move, and i fail, especially when i'm not warmed up...

Shut the hell up.

26 yo. No skill. Ugly. Still no wife. Smells.

and you tell me to stfu ?

dont u get bored of urself talking like a 12 year old?