ESR - IEM5 Euro Championship Qualifier Status

<< Comment #1 @ 10:07 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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Ryfje

So this means?? I've qualified to be able to qualify? :D

<< Comment #2 @ 10:22 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #1

yes, there are 2 sets qualifier rounds that are international before the actual group stage

<< Comment #13 @ 11:17 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #2

and the main round is the group?

becaues if it is, why are garpy and draven in it?

<< Comment #14 @ 11:19 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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noctis - Reply to #13

because their countries have direct main round slots
http://www.esl-world.net/masters/#/masters/co..._season_5/

<< Comment #16 @ 11:22 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #14

ok.

Um, do the tdm results play a role in the nations rankings?

<< Comment #17 @ 11:23 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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noctis - Reply to #16

i have no idea how the slot distribution is decided but i highly doubt it

<< Comment #18 @ 11:26 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #17

well, can't be the just the results of duel, causse I don't recall any important ql tournament where UK duellers placed significantly better than Germans or Italians.

Edited by becks at 11:27 CDT, 2 September 2010

<< Comment #26 @ 11:47 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #18

this is based on the results of the previous season, where zsx and garpy both played at the european finals

tdm results of enc 2010 are included in the ranking with a minor percentage afaik

Edited by SpUt at 12:03 CDT, 2 September 2010

<< Comment #124 @ 08:28 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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supersonicwaffle - Reply to #26

TDM results must have more than a "minor" influence otherwise you couldn't explain the difference between germany, iceland and austria.

Also there are lots of duel players, in germany at least, that don't give two shits about TDM and rightfully so (if they don't like it or don't have the time to compete in both), because why would anyone give spots in duel tournaments to nations that did well in TDM rather than duel.

Edited by sk8erboi at 08:28 CDT, 3 September 2010

<< Comment #149 @ 11:46 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #124

maybe the differences in points were only very small but still had a big impact on slot distribution
it can always happen than one side has, for example, has 10 points accumulated and the other side has 9.99 points and will make a a 1-2 slots difference

<< Comment #162 @ 17:58 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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supersonicwaffle - Reply to #149

Ok, I would've understood 1 slot but 2 seems a little much for a marginal difference in points like this.
But I guess as a spectator I'll be fine, thanks for the clarification.

<< Comment #3 @ 10:26 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #1

yea, now u have to go trough 3 stages of european qualifiers i guess

<< Comment #4 @ 10:28 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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f0rk123

Didn't k1llsen qualify from his Gamescom win?

<< Comment #8 @ 10:34 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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noctis - Reply to #4

he qualified for the world finals

<< Comment #5 @ 10:32 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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ins '

hmm i have a question, since there are premium maps in mappool, what happens if someone who does not have a premium/pro account wins his country's qualifier?

<< Comment #7 @ 10:34 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #5

we expect player that reach the group stage to be able to play premium content maps

<< Comment #10 @ 11:01 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #7

what if he isn't?

<< Comment #11 @ 11:08 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #10

then he will not be able to participate

<< Comment #12 @ 11:15 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #11

lol. and no one else in that country will?

<< Comment #15 @ 11:19 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #12

im sure someone else will, but i am also quite sure that every player that qualifies will have prem/pro

<< Comment #19 @ 11:27 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #15

oh really lol, well in portuguese qualifier eden will probably (it's either him or me really) and none of us has pro atm!

<< Comment #21 @ 11:30 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #19

unless you are unable to pay from your country, i dont get why you guys wouldnt have prem... but okay, free slots for someone else then

<< Comment #31 @ 12:39 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #21

i will, eventually lol

<< Comment #51 @ 14:15 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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Bluder - Reply to #31

lol poor

<< Comment #73 @ 15:42 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #51

i prefer to spend my money in other things :/

<< Comment #77 @ 16:00 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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Bluder - Reply to #73

lol pocket money

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<< Comment #85 @ 17:16 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #77

okay, so buy me premium account? \:D/

<< Comment #87 @ 17:39 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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Bluder - Reply to #85

no \:D/

<< Comment #86 @ 17:25 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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Kristus - Reply to #73

The money it cost to get premium for each month wouldn't even get you a burger at McDonalds.

<< Comment #94 @ 19:02 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #86

and.. ?

<< Comment #95 @ 19:17 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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Kristus - Reply to #94

I'd rather play QL on Aerowalk, than eat a burger at McDonalds. Also, you're extremely cheap.

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<< Comment #113 @ 06:20 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #95

well i love my burgers <3

<< Comment #156 @ 12:43 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #95

valid point but a stupid comparison, it's the fact they're now charging for maps on a so-called "free game"

<< Comment #171 @ 00:10 CDT, 4 September 2010 >>

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Kristus - Reply to #156

It's just a price compraision. To put things into perspective. The money they want for people to get the premium and pro accounts are truly in all sense of the word, pocket change. The game is still free of charge to play, you don't need to pay anything to play. Not even the new maps, as you can still PLAY them with a standard account. Although, it's limited to play them with bots for non paying users (and bots suck, I know but that doesn't change the fact that you actually can still play the maps in question). And you can still get invited by pro users to play the maps with them.

<< Comment #117 @ 07:14 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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LukKe - Reply to #86

i can even get two for that price here :p

<< Comment #22 @ 11:31 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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unihumi - Reply to #19

then you will not be able to participate

<< Comment #6 @ 10:34 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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noctis

Main round:
Draven (2nd EPS Benelux)
QR1:
burnedd (1st EPS Benelux)

huh?

<< Comment #9 @ 10:36 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #6

slots are awarded based on nationality.
burned was the best belgian in the benelux eps, so he gets the belgian slot
on the other hand draven was the best dutch player in the benelux eps, so he gets the highest slot assigned to the netherlands

<< Comment #20 @ 11:28 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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cYmoZz

On what grounds was the ql country ranking decided?

<< Comment #24 @ 11:45 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #20

previous season, as well as to a small degree based on tdm enc achievements as far as i know

<< Comment #48 @ 13:50 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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cYmoZz - Reply to #24

ok, but imo this doesn't work out at all. Germany has only 2 spots while iceland and austria have 3???
You should go back to inviting the top 8 players and do qualifiers, where every european can participate.

<< Comment #50 @ 13:55 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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cYmoZz - Reply to #24

it is way more work for you guys (to organize the 100 regional qualifiers) and it won't do a good job with selecting the best european players.

Edited by cYmoZz at 08:26 CDT, 3 September 2010

<< Comment #23 @ 11:40 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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Cyn1c

What's the point of the international qualifier, if a country doesn't even have a QL server?

<< Comment #25 @ 11:45 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #23

international in this case is limited to European countries

<< Comment #33 @ 12:42 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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daviezz - Reply to #25

why does ryfje have 4th EPS UK spot? it was dandeh who came 4th

<< Comment #35 @ 12:46 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #33

because dandeh is irish and not eligible for a slot assigned to the uk?

and its Ryfje over med1xza due to the regular season win (with dandeh out of the equation there it was easy to solve)

Edited by SpUt at 12:49 CDT, 2 September 2010

<< Comment #39 @ 13:02 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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dAND3h - Reply to #35

what are you going on about? Why is KroNic there?

<< Comment #40 @ 13:06 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #39

As the Ireland resident finishing highest in the UK/Ireland EPS he has the right to the slot assigned to Ireland.

<< Comment #41 @ 13:16 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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dAND3h - Reply to #40

Ye sorry I thought uk/ire used the same spots...which makes much more sense

Edited by dAND3h at 13:23 CDT, 2 September 2010

<< Comment #53 @ 14:33 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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Kristus - Reply to #41

Why, they are two completely different countries.

<< Comment #104 @ 04:24 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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dAND3h - Reply to #53

Because in ESL tournaments and nations cups, irish players can play in team UK. UK/Ire.

<< Comment #96 @ 02:26 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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rikk - Reply to #41

That is a heap of shit tbh, Dandeh deserves that spot.

<< Comment #97 @ 03:10 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #41

in that case Germany demand the Austrian slots.

kthx.

<< Comment #100 @ 03:24 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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noctis - Reply to #97

in that case, i'd like to play in the german EPS

:P

<< Comment #101 @ 03:28 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #100

ask mickzerofive.

<< Comment #102 @ 03:31 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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noctis - Reply to #101

worst austria/australia joke i have read on esr till now...

since it doesn't make any sense?:D

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<< Comment #154 @ 11:56 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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Lave - Reply to #102

you're talking to a beer brand. what'd u expect :|

btw [+] for joining the eps germany, its decided then!

<< Comment #187 @ 10:48 CDT, 5 September 2010 >>

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Jazzy - Reply to #40

so even though kronic won the eps he still is ranked lower then daviez and garpy who he beat to win because of the country he is from?
you know that makes absolutely no sense. whats the point in including irish players in the eps if it makes fuk all difference of where they finish? same seemingly for the belgian/dutch players

<< Comment #36 @ 12:49 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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daviezz - Reply to #35

ah wasnt thinkin about that thanks

<< Comment #27 @ 12:00 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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p4r4

Hmm, interesting that if you won 3rd place in some EPS thingy, you are qualified, but if you won 3rd place in the European Championship itself, you have to qualify...
Also strange country slots distribution. 2 slots for Russia in main round? 3 slots for Belarus, but only one for Ukraine which has probably 20x more good players?

Edited by p4r4 at 12:08 CDT, 2 September 2010

<< Comment #42 @ 13:28 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #27

well the general concept is good i think. its similar to the champions league, you have your regular national season the best from each country qualify for the more prestigious international event. there is still work to be done and the infrastructure isnt up to the task in every country, but the esl seems to be getting there.
on the other hand, it prolly never going to be the most accurate way of determining the 32 best player...

but i would also invite not just the champion from the last season, but maybe the top 3 (making the match for third place a bit more important on the way)

<< Comment #28 @ 12:00 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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jamalz

This shit is fucked up.

<< Comment #29 @ 12:09 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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It's a pitty that Cooller is not invited. Bye bye bye my 2nd slot dreams :P This time I hope normal brackets/seeding for russian quals. 1st seed must be Cooller, 2nd agent, 3rd Cny, 4th kook, 5th iddqd, 6th megBeguk 7th K1llmaster 8th slug.

<< Comment #30 @ 12:20 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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caesar_

do not get it.

<< Comment #32 @ 12:40 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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rikk

SLIKK

<< Comment #34 @ 12:43 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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GUArd

Lithuania!!! :D

<< Comment #58 @ 14:51 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #34

and it's basically yours

<< Comment #112 @ 06:17 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #34

sign yourself up then first ;)

<< Comment #118 @ 07:14 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #112

forgot pass and I mail didnt come to my email from esl :/ waiting...

<< Comment #148 @ 11:45 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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ZeriouS - Reply to #118

Have you already attempted to contact a league supervisor directly?

<< Comment #152 @ 11:53 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #118

maybe i can fix it for you, contact me in pm or so

<< Comment #37 @ 12:58 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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Hell5pawn

israel in europe that's new

<< Comment #38 @ 13:00 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #37

We have always allowed Israel to compete in the European tournaments at ESL

<< Comment #43 @ 13:30 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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nude-fox - Reply to #38

so turkey can play in the international qualifier i take it?

<< Comment #44 @ 13:30 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #43

yes

<< Comment #90 @ 17:54 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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G.I. Jonesy - Reply to #38

I don't mean to be rude, but may I ask why?

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<< Comment #105 @ 05:21 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #90

same reasons israeli teams participate in european leagues in other sports

<< Comment #108 @ 05:38 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #105

because the fans will massacre each other when they meet online?

I mean seriously, I get why LAN competitions would be a problem, but online?
All I can think of is that the players don't want to cmopete with each other and it might be difficult to find impartial admins.

<< Comment #109 @ 05:46 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #108

the last part of your reply is part of the answer.

there are actually countries in the middle east that do not allow their athletes to compete with israeli athletes. we just avoid having that problem by using the universally accepted system of letting them participate in our european leagues.

also israel has a very good internet connection to western europe, it's probably better for them than for people from iceland, some regions of spain or portugal, russia, belarus, etc.

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hnns - Reply to #109

also israel has a very good internet connection to western europe, it's probably better for them than for people from iceland,

No it isn't. There's no proper reason at all to allow any asian country enter European competitions, let alone Israel. I guess German sympathy is strong in the ESL.

<< Comment #132 @ 09:29 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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kg - Reply to #127

The zionist lobby managed to convince them!

Edited by kg at 09:30 CDT, 3 September 2010

<< Comment #133 @ 09:31 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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hnns - Reply to #132

more likely the esl felt they were being politically correct, abandoning reason.

<< Comment #135 @ 09:35 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #133

everyone living in reykjavik (or anywhere else in western iceland) actually lives in north america, if you go just by geological facts :D

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<< Comment #136 @ 09:36 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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hnns - Reply to #135

that's below the belt :<

<< Comment #150 @ 11:49 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #136

its just not as easy as nailing it all down to where exactly in the world a place is. you have to choose one way or the other when there is more than one option; and back in the days we opted to give Israelis access to the European tournaments and there isn't really a reason to change that. (nobody will be forced to play on Israeli servers in any game either.)

Edited by SpUt at 11:52 CDT, 3 September 2010

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esdf ' - Reply to #105

cause they're jews and everyone has to apologise for holocaust even 60 years later?

<< Comment #45 @ 13:45 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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xou

Feels good to be in south of france!

<< Comment #46 @ 13:47 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #45

/me puts on his piked helmet and kicks xou in the shin

<< Comment #49 @ 13:50 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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xou - Reply to #46

/me grabs another beer

<< Comment #52 @ 14:29 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #49

there is no good beer in France :>

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<< Comment #54 @ 14:43 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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Infuscomus - Reply to #52

WOW !!!!!!!!!

Philomenn !

<< Comment #72 @ 15:41 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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xou - Reply to #52

sif German beers are good, they're made for French girls :p

<< Comment #78 @ 16:06 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #72

all of you are girls anyway :D

Edited by SpUt at 16:24 CDT, 2 September 2010

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xou - Reply to #78

pfff :)

<< Comment #81 @ 16:24 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #80

hehehe :D
anyway, enjoy :>

<< Comment #47 @ 13:47 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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reload

Now tell me why the top4 players of the UK EPS and the Benelux EPS which only have 8 players playing it (in the UK EPS 8 (!) players dropped) qualified for the qualifiers, while Germany has only the top 2 of the EPS qualified? Germany has actually the biggest EPS with 16 players who put some effort into it. Also we have an active played EAS. So overall we have more duel players but still we have fewer spots for the qualifications... kinda illogal, isn't it?

And please don't tell me there are only 2 qualified players from Germany due to the ENC fail. Those players who played in team Germany weren't either active neither they have anything to do with duel or the EPS (k1llsen and calipt are exceptions and they are qualified anyway).

<< Comment #84 @ 17:05 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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draven- - Reply to #47

cause NL became 2nd in worldcup and Germany only 3rd
Spain should have 9 slotsbecause they got 1st

<< Comment #55 @ 14:44 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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Infuscomus

What EPS and EAS stand for ?

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eMERPUs - Reply to #55

ESL Pro Series & ESL Amateur Series

<< Comment #56 @ 14:47 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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eMERPUs

I don't get shit... but it's pretty funny that QINOX is in that list considering he didn't even qualify for EPS (top 8).... He just got last (4th) at the EPS Benelux LAN finals because I didn't show up and they picked some random spectator to fill the spot :D

Edited by supremej at 14:48 CDT, 2 September 2010

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daviezz - Reply to #56

isnt that your own fault tho? somebody took dandys spot because he moved to ireland lol id say thats worse

<< Comment #64 @ 15:13 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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eMERPUs - Reply to #61

It's not about MY spot. dem0n deserves it because he's the one that qualified for the lan finals (top 4)

<< Comment #93 @ 18:27 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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daviezz - Reply to #64

still its his own fault really

<< Comment #59 @ 14:55 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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ffx

Sucks for sweden -.-

<< Comment #111 @ 06:10 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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JoKa - Reply to #59

?

<< Comment #60 @ 14:59 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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eMERPUs

Top 8 EPS Benelux (Online)

#1 burnedd
#2 Sc00T
#3 draven
#4 dem0n
#5 supreme
#6 Baksteen
#7 LeKaiM
#8 geo

Top 4 EPS Benelux (LAN)

#1 burnedd
#2 draven
#3 Sc00T
#4 QINOX (never qualified for EPS)

So I'm wondering why QINOX is there and not dem0n considering he had other plans at the same day as EPS LAN finals... QINOX never qualified for EPS, I took dem0n's place instead but wasn't able to go last minute so I guess QINOX just showed up and sat down to play :D

Also wondering if this tournament is 16+ .... Pretty sure there are a couple of players younger then this age.

<< Comment #62 @ 15:03 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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duumed - Reply to #60

maybe he's there because he actually played

<< Comment #63 @ 15:10 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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daviezz - Reply to #62

you might be onto something there

<< Comment #67 @ 15:18 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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noctis - Reply to #60

belgium only has one slot

<< Comment #65 @ 15:15 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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nude-fox

why break it up by nations at all, just hold qualifiers and the best players make it :P

<< Comment #69 @ 15:23 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #65

Because ESL is using a tiered system, just like in football. If you haven't done well domestically you can't get to the international events.

<< Comment #91 @ 18:06 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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kg - Reply to #69

Why is this system any better than e.g. what demon suggested?

<< Comment #106 @ 05:24 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #91

because the system is the same for all games that we have, there are no special exceptions for any game.
the only reason it was different in the last season was because QL was a new game with no previous results in our competitions.

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kg - Reply to #106

You didn't really answer my question.

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SpUt - Reply to #128

because it judges achievement in our leagues over personal preference of an admin who does invitations (or anything along those lines)

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kg - Reply to #134

Is there any way to see how particular tournaments contribute to the number of slots for a given country?

Or just the whole *algorithm*.

<< Comment #142 @ 10:27 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #134

So that's why those who placed 1st in your leagues will have to go through two qualifying rounds, while those who took 2nd places will be put in main round directly?

<< Comment #145 @ 11:10 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #142

well, if those countries had separate eps leagues you'd have the same outcome.
if you take the uk/ie eps, split it in two...
then kronic would have probably won the ireland eps and garpy would have probably won the uk eps. they'd still get the same slots for this season according to the results of the previous season.

<< Comment #143 @ 10:56 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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rareh - Reply to #134

how about inviting all the people that went through groupstage on the previous european championship.
While the rest have to qualify.

<< Comment #146 @ 11:12 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #143

this season's group stage is much smaller
there are only 24 players in it, 16 advanced to the offline finals alone last season

<< Comment #165 @ 19:42 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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kg - Reply to #134

Not possible, then?

<< Comment #66 @ 15:17 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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rareh

Just a question.
Does Portugal have a national qualifier?
Or do Portuguese have to go through international qualifier?

<< Comment #68 @ 15:21 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #66

the portuguese qualifier is already running, Insan3 is running it

<< Comment #74 @ 15:45 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #66

yEs we have a national qualifier sir! :D

Edited by Insan3 at 15:46 CDT, 2 September 2010

<< Comment #70 @ 15:27 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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Carsomyr

France and Bulgaria have been around for years.

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<< Comment #79 @ 16:07 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #70

the qualifier information is new though, as it has been created after i wrote the news

<< Comment #71 @ 15:37 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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spartaz0rd

any news about italy?? its the last country left without infos. ( as usual)

<< Comment #75 @ 15:47 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #71

you can come live in portugal mate, i have a place for you <3

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<< Comment #76 @ 15:58 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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spartaz0rd - Reply to #75

comingz!

<< Comment #82 @ 16:27 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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ArchaiK

I don't understand why ESL found it a good idea to pick CSS over QL in the nordic EPS, especially when we already have CS 1.6. And I still think Sweden should have it's on ESP, we have a big enough base of players.

<< Comment #83 @ 16:46 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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ambro

i really doubt this could be any more complicated.

Edited by ambro at 16:47 CDT, 2 September 2010

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<< Comment #88 @ 17:39 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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dem0n

Ive been told burnedd is too young for a first.

Also why are you mixing tdm and duel results per country ? Why dont you tell that to people before throwing that in randomly like a random noname league ? I thought ESL was serious jesus. But I'm yet to see my money from IEM 4.

Really...

Draven gets autoberth to EC yet Stermy has to go through 2 qualifiers because team nl tdm was second in ENC TDM ?

Holy fck this is one fuckedup system folks !

Do like last year, invite 12 people and make 4 internationnal qualifiers with top 3 advancing so we don't see retarded possible matchups in 1st qualifying rounds like stermy vs guard or whatever stupid random bs...

Edited by dem0n at 17:57 CDT, 2 September 2010

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<< Comment #92 @ 18:13 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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rareh - Reply to #88

ye kinda stupid. I mean seriously stermy is the rapha killer no need for a rapha killer to qualify :<

<< Comment #99 @ 03:17 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #88

yeh, they might as well count cs, wow and carom 3d country results :P

<< Comment #107 @ 05:33 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #88

he was just previously too young to attend offline events in germany.

tdm is only included with a minor percentage, using points won there in the qualifier basically enabled some of the smaller countries to get into the nations ranking at all in order to have their own national qualifiers.

we use the same nations ranking based system in all games in the extreme masters. the first season was an exception because it was ... *drumroll* ... the first season. we just didnt have results from our own leagues yet to make a ranking at that point.

<< Comment #114 @ 06:35 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #107

Do you really have to prefer "system" over common sense?

<< Comment #115 @ 06:39 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #114

the system is the common sense, everything else would not be 'normal'

<< Comment #116 @ 06:58 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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Kirua. - Reply to #115

Holyshit, 1984. Burn him !!

<< Comment #121 @ 07:46 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #115

Would you seriously say that the current slot distribution accurately displays the different nation's strength in duel?

<< Comment #125 @ 09:05 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #121

it displays the strength of the nations in the previous season (for which *everyone* had the chance to qualify)

<< Comment #126 @ 09:13 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #125

it does?

what exactly did the UK duellers pull of?

<< Comment #131 @ 09:28 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #126

they had 2 players at the lan finals (zsx & garpy), 4 in total in the online group stage. so basically through strength in numbers they scored more points than some other nations who just had one representative (belgium, ireland, etc)

<< Comment #138 @ 09:38 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #131

if it's a system created after the champions league system the number of points have to be divided by the number of players.
Same with a system that uses common sense, cause otherwise you just favor nations that already have more players.

Oh well, I guess it ESL's call to make a system they think is best. Just please don't try to sell it as common sense.

<< Comment #144 @ 11:07 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #138

the average amount of points scored by uk players is still higher than those scored by demon for belgium though...

<< Comment #147 @ 11:17 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #144

is it higher than that of k1llsen and calipt?

<< Comment #151 @ 11:51 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #147

we're not doing the average thing anyway :>

<< Comment #153 @ 11:54 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #151

haha

<< Comment #168 @ 21:12 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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reload - Reply to #131

Germany had 2 players in the PLAYOFFS, which is alot more worth than some online groupstage. Still we have 2 slots while NL and UK has 4 slots because they had more people in the online european groupstage of the last IEM which had a different mappool and different players.

So the fact that k1llsen and calipt reached a higher stage than all of the other countries having an EPS don't have any revelance on the qualification system?

<< Comment #170 @ 22:32 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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draven- - Reply to #168

valid point i agree that germany should have some more spots , austria has 3 spots while germany has 2 abit weird

Edited by draven- at 22:32 CDT, 3 September 2010

<< Comment #89 @ 17:48 CDT, 2 September 2010 >>

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hnns

the positivity and gratitude in this thread is refreshing.

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becks - Reply to #89

ESL are still waiting for your gratitude in the form of whale meat. ;[

<< Comment #103 @ 04:12 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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hnns - Reply to #98

not all icelanders eat whales.. some of us make sweet love to them.

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becks - Reply to #103

are you really trying to inform a German about sex fetishes O.o?

<< Comment #119 @ 07:30 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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dem0n

stermy QR2 - placed 7-8th in the IEM 4 World Championships
k1llsen QR2 - placed 8th in the IEM 4 European Championships and randomly won Gamescom IEM 5
calipt QR1 - placed 7th in the IEM 4 European Championships

... and then you have a lot of random stuff like burnedd who actually WON the SAME EPS draven and sc00t were in, but who has to go through QR1 and QR2 whilst draven and sc00t are respectively in Main round and QR2, etc.

Common sense guys, common sense !

<< Comment #120 @ 07:45 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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ffx - Reply to #119

Maybe you should approach someone who is in charge for the decisions and stop ranting at an esl admin, who is known for his good work. I think he doesn't deserve something like that.

Ive been told by several admins burnedd was too young, so I didnt really care if I didnt beat him in EPS dudes.

If you don't care about winning then you should probably don't take part at a tournament -.-

I don't like the system for quake live either because there aren't enough quake eps. In addition I don't get it why tdm is relevant for dueling? That is just pure bullshit and proofs that the guy in charge is either a moron or doesn't have common sense :x. I know that esl wants a cl system but the current situation doesn't allow it imo.

<< Comment #122 @ 07:52 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #120

If you don't care about winning then you should probably don't take part at a tournament -.-

You dont know all the parameters I guess so why are you saying that ? I didnt care hard enough, because when EPS season started none was aware of the LAN dates, and it happend the lan dates came at the weekend of my annual music festival which I went every year for the past 7 years so I had to make a choice between a possible 50€ win from a 75€ trip or just going to my music festival with my friends.

I made my decision and decided to drop and not play my usual 'game'. I came 4th and let my spot at lan to the 5th etc...

Nobody told me about the consequences of such a decision so I couldnt know.

You're implying this as if I knew the consequences before.
Besides I think sputnik is one of the admins who told me a few months back that burnedd would not be allowed. Might be wrong though, but I'm sure rondrian told me that.

Also if sputnik considers this system 'common sense' and I don't there's room for critics and I make sure these critics are heard no matter if the admin is a good admin or not, I know he's a good admin, thats not the point.

<< Comment #129 @ 09:25 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #122

Well the system is what we have used since the first Extreme Masters, so after 5 years it is obviously common sense for me and everyone else involved with IEM.

It's all numbers, and I can understand that some people may disagree because they feel strongly about certain players or nationalities. But we can only go by the number and not by how much we like or not like players or nations.

Edited by SpUt at 09:30 CDT, 3 September 2010

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dem0n - Reply to #129

Whatever.

Edited by dem0n at 15:43 CDT, 3 September 2010

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scowl - Reply to #129

#139 and #182 have already explained how you're using the numbers in a wrong way.

Edited by scowl at 09:57 CDT, 5 September 2010

<< Comment #130 @ 09:28 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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draven- - Reply to #119

You should understand NL last year had 4 NL players in Extreme Masters Europe , while Belgium only had 1, i understand the system its more on Champions League system based, stop the hating really.

Edited by draven- at 09:29 CDT, 3 September 2010

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becks - Reply to #130

uhm, do you know how the CL nations ranking works?

Step 1. The teams get points based on their performance.
Step 2. The points of all teams of one nations are added.
Step 3. The points of the nation are divided by the number of teams that added to them.

That means if all the teams of one nation are out after the first round their nation score is lower than that of a nation with just one team, that made it out of the group stage.

Seems a bit like ESL forgot about step 3 O.o

<< Comment #140 @ 09:55 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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draven- - Reply to #139

i do i didnt say its exactly the same, but kinda similair

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becks - Reply to #140

but the cl system only makes sense when you make the division.
Otherwise the countries that already have the most teams/players will keep getting the slots as long as they don't play much much worse.

A nation with 5 good players but only one single slot can be very happy if it can get past a country with 2 mediocre players but two slots.

Why would anyone want that?

<< Comment #159 @ 15:41 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #141

draven wants that so he can get raped 30-0 by everyone again

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draven- - Reply to #141

this is second time quakelive was at IEM ofcourse nobody will agree with alot of stuff, we got a EPS benelux and 4 NL players last season thats what they take the stuff from...

<< Comment #164 @ 19:35 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #163

yes, that is where they take stuff from.

But if you are honest, does it make sense to you?

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draven- - Reply to #164

why would it not, i mean sweden russia france have alot of slots with cup qualifer cause they dont have EPS, if they had EPS they would have to same stuff like uk or nl , you can see EPS as a cup qualifer only thing i got get is why germany has so few slots also since they got EPS aswell the rest seems fine, we can all whine like demon and rage about stuff like a little baby but dont think things will change they used the same system for cs and for other games so why would they change it just for quake

Edited by draven- at 19:51 CDT, 3 September 2010

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becks - Reply to #166

what about stermy?

<< Comment #176 @ 04:04 CDT, 4 September 2010 >>

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1ecb61110 - Reply to #173

Thing is, stermy is exceptionally good within Itally, and I think this system just doesn't take into account the countries that have 1 exceptionally good player.

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becks - Reply to #176

"stermy is exceptionally good within Itally,"

sounds a bit worse than 7th/8th place at the world finals.

and why did belarussia get 4 slots then?
And poland 3?

no, that algorithm they use has some major flaws.

<< Comment #178 @ 06:15 CDT, 4 September 2010 >>

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daviezz - Reply to #177

they have alot more players

<< Comment #179 @ 06:23 CDT, 4 September 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #178

cypher, amai for belarus (anyone else?)
av3k, toxic, bodzo for poland.

yes, poland has more players yet belarus get more spots, cause cypher one.

So suddenly it is about a single player, not the number of players.
While with italy compared to nl and uk it is about the number, not the single player.

I really can't see any consistency.

<< Comment #180 @ 06:27 CDT, 4 September 2010 >>

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daviezz - Reply to #179

yea i cant understand the belarus bit dont have a clue why they get so many spots, but poland deserves that many because they got a big playerbase

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becks - Reply to #180

my point was actually that poland get less spots than belarussia, I guess I didn't make that clear enough.

and I think it is obvious why belarus got all those spots: cypher won the tournament.

my problem with the current system is this:

With a normal system it should be possible to predict the rankings and spots based on results/numbers.
With this system, at least I can't. If someone is able to do that, please enlighten me.

The best I got so far is:

1. Having a lot of players in the tournament, gives a good chance to keep the spots regardless of performance of the players. - uk, nl (a bit weird)
2. Having a player finish very high gives you spots. - belraus (understandable)
3. Having players finish high and having many players in total gives you the most spots - sweden (as it should be?)

but what ranking will make 2 stronger than 1, as 5th-8th places in finals seem to be not enough by far? - italy, ger

<< Comment #123 @ 08:11 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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supersonicwaffle

what kind of idiotic paper pusher came up with the idea to include TDM results?

Also I think you should do regional rankings rather than national rankings if you have regional EPS instead of national EPS. It's kind of dumb when kronic is in QR2 and garpy is in the main round when kronic placed higher than garpy in the same EPS, same with draven and burnedd.

Edited by sk8erboi at 08:34 CDT, 3 September 2010

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<< Comment #155 @ 12:41 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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Makie

IJEMFAJF here i come :=OO

<< Comment #157 @ 13:32 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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hnns

The ESL site says the Icelandic qualifier checkin is this sunday (5th) but your post says 12th? Also, the rules give the old maplist (t9 t7 ztn dm13 dm6) but I thought it had been changed?

<< Comment #158 @ 13:34 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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hnns - Reply to #157

also conflicting dates for the swedish qualifier

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SpUt - Reply to #157

oh, sorry... someone else created that cup and i must have overlooked that when changing stuff

it should be fixed now

Edited by SpUt at 03:44 CDT, 4 September 2010

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hnns - Reply to #174

Cool.

<< Comment #161 @ 16:37 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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xrebz

yes what maps are played, would be good 2 know :D

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pks - Reply to #161

presumably the new new map pool

Aerowalk
Dismemberment
Hektik
Lost World
Furious Heights
Blood Run
T4(cant remember the name of it)

<< Comment #175 @ 03:50 CDT, 4 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #169

Vertical Vengeance

This applies to the cups that we are running in-house (Iceland, Sweden, Lithuania and International). Some of the other qualifiers may have different pools because they used the maps from the European 1on1 ladder, but some also have the new proper one.

<< Comment #167 @ 19:57 CDT, 3 September 2010 >>

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Hello

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rareh - Reply to #167

How are you?

<< Comment #182 @ 08:56 CDT, 4 September 2010 >>

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By $\0/$ Fopeye the Sailor - Reply to #172

I'm fine ty, wbu?

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rareh - Reply to #182

I am handsome, ty.

<< Comment #185 @ 11:40 CDT, 4 September 2010 >>

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By $\0/$ Fopeye the Sailor - Reply to #184

cute

<< Comment #188 @ 07:21 CDT, 6 September 2010 >>

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By $\0/$ Fopeye the Sailor

Russian quali:

1st Cooller
2nd Cny
3rd Nitrino
4th dazator

P.S. Agent failed (maplist)

<< Comment #189 @ 07:45 CDT, 6 September 2010 >>

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SpUt - Reply to #188

already added those results before you posted this reply :>
ukraine, romania and part of the austrian qualifier are also finished

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<< Comment #199 @ 13:18 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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T1E ' - Reply to #189

austria seems finished

congratz odium (odihimself?)

why no jurtsche?
:(

<< Comment #190 @ 16:13 CDT, 6 September 2010 >>

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JkoozeR

no demos or anything ?

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SpUt - Reply to #190

everyone is free to upload, but not forced to

<< Comment #192 @ 10:20 CDT, 9 September 2010 >>

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eMERPUs

I'm happy they picked baksteen (#6) instead of me (#5)

GG :D

<< Comment #193 @ 07:39 CDT, 10 September 2010 >>

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no_il

Why the hell can't I change my nick in my esl profile to match my quakelive ID? so damn annoying!

Also since I'm from Israel the whole fucking page is in hebrew and I can't find a way to change it to english. It's gay enough liveing in this war mongering shit hole.

Edited by no_il at 07:43 CDT, 10 September 2010

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SpUt - Reply to #193

log in and go to http://www.esl.eu/eu/change_lang/

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<< Comment #195 @ 18:17 CDT, 11 September 2010 >>

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assign

In which channel on IRC does they handle the qualifications for sweden today ? I can't find it :P:P

<< Comment #197 @ 06:46 CDT, 12 September 2010 >>

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esdf '

soo did you count jay & joe, seeing how they did take their part of euro and world finals? think you need to give uk at least 1 more slot based on that :D

oh and, in uefa champions league only teams that play football can increase their rating, and it's not about how many teams you have there but how much they win/lose that improves or downgrades the nation's rating.

using tdm as an influence on slots, even in smallest percentage is like if uefa would use basketball results for nation rating for champs league and european league.

failwhale2k

Edited by esdf at 06:47 CDT, 12 September 2010

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