duel settings are perfect and not to be fucked around with.
only thing that can be improved are starting spawns on some maps.

NEGATIVE/FUCK YOU

F1, this shit was in cpma, why would they change it? it was good

If you aren't running out of ammo, then you aren't playing right. If you are playing someone skilled it can be nigh impossible to get certain guns. On dm6 it's very easy to control rail and rocket and the same time, while still getting red and mega. On ztn. you need to go out in the open to get rail, and you have to cross the map to get rl or lg.

All this will do is make it harder to get back control, it won't stop the guy in control from getting weapons or ammo.

it'll make the ammo boxes count more and take away time from the guy in control, he'll have to actually run to them more often than just taking the RL spawn.

This means you can set up more ambushes because he wastes more time getting the actual box, and when both players have the same gun, then you need to fight over the ammo box or can control it.


It changes up the game by adding another element. It can be good for the guy in control -> keeps control by denying the RL spawn, or good for the guy out of control - > more ambushes @ ammo boxes, more spam at the new routes to steal items from the guy in control.

This is also a counter for lg whores, rocket whores, rail whores etc, just camp the ammo box they need and they are ruined.

When someones in control they can move around how they like, think about ztn for example. Do you think people actually run to rl to get ammo? There is an ammo box at tele going to red, and at plasma, and next to the rocket launcher itself. The guy in control is running around everywhere and he will be picking up everything. which is what actually happens anyway

You talk about rail whores etc. What if the guy is good with every weapon? How will this help you? You camp an ammo box while they pick up every armor? So the guy is an lg whore, you gonna camp at plasma? lol.

Trust me it just makes it easier for the guy in control.

This cuts his spam time though. If hes spamming on ztn like you say, then he's going to need the rl ammo boxes way more than usual. So he'll be at plasma room and near tele exit and shit, so he wont be at RL spawn like usual, this just gives the person out of control easier access to things, since the guy in control needs to spam to keep control.

More spam -> more boxes he needs to pick up -> more delayed time for setting up traps and that sort, so instead the guy out of control will set the traps.

mmh seems a bit too extreme, just go back to cpma where if you had less than 10 rockets, picking up a spawn-rl would put you to 10, and if you had 10 or more you'd only get 1. maybe increase spawn time slightly on all weapons. anyway i hate duel simply cause its just endless spam spam spam now, especially for the guy who's in control. stupid as fuck that you can sit on top of a rl spawn, hold down attack and actually GAIN ammo, like dm13.

+1 for old ammo system (pickups only add 1 after 10)
-1 for "box control", too tiresome and trivial.

In all, not a bad idea though.

I like it. Definitely deserves a devpick weekend. Have a plus.

this is how quake 4 was right

please, we have already enought items to be concerned.. if something needs to be changed it is amount of max ammo or how much you can get ammo from weapon pickup.

For me perfect AMMO maxs would be following
LG 150
RL 15
RG 5-10
GL 15
SG 10
PG 100

Lowered max ammo counts would be a better idea, I agree.

yes this should definitely happen i know weps respawning @ 15 seconds is unplayble for new players but no reason to have the ammo refill as quick as it does now.

i'd like to see weps @ 15 sec respawn too tho but i guess like with the old tdm servers they would have to make pub duel into two different types of servers

So for the guy with the rockets, he actually needs to search these ammo boxes out - getting RL spawn won't do shit for him.

boooo

Nah fuck off ammo works how it is.

Heres my idea, would at least be nice to test anyway I think:

Current RL ammo 0-9 will bring you up to 10 ammo on RL pickup, maximum 15 ammo on RL pickups (next pickup from 10-15 would bring your ammo to 15), 25 max ammo with ammo boxes.

I kind of like it because it gives a feeling of carrying ammo, instead of slapping it all in the guns at once.

Another example, lg:
Current LG ammo 0 gets you 100 LG ammo on pickup, maximum 120 ammo on further pickup (pickup from 20-120 would bring you up to 120 ammo). Rest (+40) from ammo boxes.

etc

This way it would be like a balance between your idea and the current ql setup.

One other thing that might be interesting is if you have for example 15 RL ammo, you can't pick up the RL until you shoot at least 1 rocket, making it a little bit harder for the guy in control to take all weaps.

borrowed ammo ftw
you get shovel instead pummel and start digging