whats TBR mean??

and any coverage for the matches not shown on esl.tv?

To Be Rescheduled probably.

u got cypher...

ahahaha

it's group stage, so he'd have to play him eventually.

never heard of TBR only TBD :D

when I look at the matchups "To Be Raped" is another possible translation.

:D

dem0n got it right

Only seeing one match sucks hard, and also is this the same event as we saw last year when all the players was in the ESL studio etc? if so why no LAN? TT

edit: nvm just saw on ESL page that they will advance to the championship finals, fuck so many qualifiers and what not for this event.

Anyway hoping lvlup^ and others can provide good coverage because clearly there's alot of games that we won't be seeing

and now Group B is a really group of death.

only group unpredictable is probly group f

10 October 2010

WTF?

huh

fixed!

Plz upload demos on ESL page after matches ^^

yep, otherwise forfait!

again no danish players, fail quake country :(

Go plazma then, show them whos boss!

yay azmo! :D :D <3

What you up to babe? :D

School, work, child care, in the opposite order. Baby #2 is on its way too, so quakeing isnt really an option at the moment :( if I had a comp to play on I would probably fire it up once in a while though ;)

QL on netbook with WiFi with wireless Power Glove replacement for mouse on the go pwnage, even at kindergarten or during the waiting time at a supermarket! :D

Hehe, congratulations man! :)

Me and my girlfriend are expecting a kid as well! April is the estimated time of birth! Going to ultrasound thingy 10th novemeber to find out if its a boy or a girl!

I'M KEEN ON A BOY!

MAXIMILLIAN OR LUCAS!

<3

GRATZ!! :D:D

also, win this shiat! ^^

Thanks babe <3 <3

Congrats :D Babies kills sleep and quake but are great in most other ways :)

Yep :) <3

sorry fazz, but nitrino will win.

No.

No

way :P

no chances...

I'd rather see killsen vs garpy on stream, but oh well

ye, seems like the obvious choice. what happened to german bias on esl?!

maybe its on lvl^ then?

then again.. better stream + better game - why would esl want to allow that

killsen rail raping another victim :/ tbh i think his games are quite boring after a while.. atleast on aerowalk

i hope lvlup can cover any of this matches.

Go guard! You can win if you force uwu to play on european host!

m what? :D

This was a failed attempt at austria-australia joke

nah you didn't fail, guard just didn't get it

Actually that was pretty sharp :P

agree, pretty well done in it's execution, no smart replies tho

Double-you Tee Eff?

fixtures?

I'm talking to ESL about lvl^ covering some of the other games, but it seems that many of them got postponed. Will update later.

GL, ESL-TV quality is shit.

thx esl for many spots for belorussia... and what we see now? 1 belorussian =) good job

i guess it's easy for them to screw over belarus with an unfair decision, since people generally won't care, and the players can hardly protest due to the language barrier so they don't even have to justify it. genius.

correctly

Spot was reserved for Amai imo. But playing with 100 ping everywhere except Russia is useless.

why is the least interesting match covered by esl tv?

dismemberment is hardcorefaggotry from hell deluxe

Today Level Up TV will cover:

garpy vs k1llsen (TV1 HQ&LQ)

wanted to go for plazma vs spart1e as well but they rescheduled.

thx : )

also, they both confirmed in protest

thx. edited my post.

no more daxio/noctis?

no, noctis is a stream dodger. He doesn't want his game covered :)

O_o

That's too bad, DAXIO just confirmed :)

Fuck yeah!

<3

how about some betting fixtures :P

thii--iss

added fixtures for the streamed matches

It's pretty weak to stream 1 game, no it's very weak. Get lvl^ to stream some games. I can't believe a big organization like ESL produce tournaments that you can't follow, at all. How is this good for anyone? Do you think that fans want to pay for premium when you can't even give them games to actually watch? And fix your web portal, it's hafl english half german and just fucking confusing. That's all.

Well, we can only cast one game at a time, hence we will cast 2 games in our usual show each week. I for one welcome lvl^ and anyone else who will show games!

.

why is noone showing spartie vs plaaazma =(

We are not playing today, so that could be the reason for that. They wanted to stream our game, but I'm at work from 14.00 to 22.00 cet, and I'm home about 20 minutes after that. Hence the reschedule!

We're playing on Sunday!

i want some good spectating stuff tonight, go quakelive o/

xrebz said all!

i rescheduled my match vs strenx at 21 : 30 today if any caster is interested.

ok we will also stream that one. Thx for the heads up.

http://www.mousesports.com/en/matches/14649/
no cooller match :|

Nice to see strenx play again :)

EDIT
Also missed the drama

EDIT no2
maybe abit too much drama sometimes.. play allready

lmao @ strenx rage'd after bad start

he doesnt seem so raged? He offered spartazord to have a 5-0 lead after reconnect.

yeah:D spartaz0rd wont play unless strenx goes nosound of gives him a 5-0 lead :D

Says k1llsen on lvl^ but instead i see spartaz0rd? :/

Where is k1llsen? I don't want to see strenx typing

what happened between strenx and sparta?

they've started dm13, sparta had taken the lead (strenx drop'd to lava), and after this (~30sec), when sparta had everything (like 200/200), strenx call'd the timeout cause of "sound fuck'd up", and after this reconnect'd to "solve them".

Did they give sparta any advantage or just straight restart?

well, firstly they play'd second map (t7, sparta won), and after a long pause they admins decided to restart dm13, but only if strenx will rush lava to get "-1".
after the game (strenx won it easily), sparta said that he didnt get same control as he got at the first time, and the same things.

Did strenx just disconnect? I can see how spartazord would feel hard done by if they replayed dm13 after the second map, having already given him default win for first.
I should watch VOD I guess to find out what exactly went on.

wasn't like that, I think they decided to play the 2nd map while waiting for an admin decision on what to do with the dm13 situation

exactly

fazz on t7 <3

rofl that rocket frag from fazz is one of the most insane frags I've seen.

ye, this frag was really $$$.

What frag?! WHat map? When?

at t7, like 12 or 13 frag.
at stream it was look'd like double airrox at shards.

Fazz just checked his demo and didnt find anything, haha :]

check'd demo right now, i thought about 18th frag - but Nitrino rj'd, it wasn't fazz's airrox.

Yeah, I checked it as well :) would be good if it was fazz rocket taht hit :)

frag of the year

I watched the demo to look for this frag, but I didn't see anything special :D Maybe the bad quality of esltv fooled ya =P

it looked like a rocket hit him through the bridge from down below, knocked him in the air, and you then came from tele to finish him off with an airrocket (maybe he just rocketed himself there tho)

it was like 18th or 19th frag

yeh I think he rocketed himself

And the second rocket only hit the wall :) esltv induces quality frags thanks to its awesome video quality

are you talking about strenx's rocket on t7, or did fazz also pull such a wonder frag in his game tonight?

What happened with strenx spartazord? I was late to stream.

spartazord rages hard after losing a match where he starts with 200/200 and a 1-0 lead on strenx. lmao

LMAO

the loser said 'this cup is a joke' after being shafted for 7 times

very weird decision by esl admins.
but for strenx's luck all admins are french. :(

UwU is going strong vs. Guard. Didn't expected that :x

doing fine is not enough!

http://www.esreality.com/?a=bets&id=1979242

uwu used to be at's strongest dueler for some time, atleast after the other infernum guys stopped playing.

when he lost the eswc qualifier to some unknown namend *aoa* SiLeNoZ we made fun of him for days... little did we know :p

"because imma half italian half badouchebag!"

this is the most tard thing ever happened . how can they hope me to play well after being so fucking pissed?!?! tard admins. if they were italians i would have already won 2-0 as i deserve .

Why would u then continue playing if u dont agree with the admin decision? Ur own fault to be honest.

they told me he would have given me total control while he didnt. he took ya before killing himself aswell took position and guns. i didnt even get lg while . i was 200 200 just killed him with all guns when he reconnected. Thats RLY FAIR .

So you had 200/200 while he was freshly spawned, but you didn't have total control because he took a yellow before he killed himself?
K.

Why were you so raged then? You had already won the first map and were given back full control and the lead for dm13?

Doesnt help to compalin it after game, lol.

i complained before games aswell but u know not easy with french admins while requesting the win vs the best french player .

sounds like you knew you were the worse player and trying to get a free win to me.

cooller got dicked over by av3k and complained less

mind u nerd :)

Registered: 29 Jun 2009

lol noob

like you deserve? you won the first map and then started the next map up 1 frag with 200/200 and you managed to lose it in a matter of seconds. you don't deserve shit.

ye fucking doesnt care that i was so damn pissed that i could time 1 item . He took ya then killed himself . My situation was SO DAMN better before he reconnected .... this is totally wrong i wont ever never accept the result on esl.

QQ ?

didnt see the game or anything, but i feel you :(

Strenx took 1 YA, and Sparta didn't have LG. Which is huge on dm13.
Troll.

don't be ridiculous, you just lose, no chances..
You has played first map t7 very good but strenx has played it badly, it's a fact. after that strenx has concentrated and has won two maps, with very big advantage

people saying that spartazord only whined just didnt seen all the thing by the beginning

So what happened? I missed the whole match.

now im pissed about what happened : ) so me explaining the whole thing would just being me insulting everyone.. ill try to do a post tomorrow then

spartazord rage

It appears the rules for just this occasion is conventiently flawed in the rule book, it's just a copy paste of the next rule which doesn't apply (page 37, 7.2.1.1 and 7.2.1.2):

http://gfx.esl-europe.net/gfx/media/masters/r...lebook.pdf

troll, subjective statement, flame on!!!

E-drama, ON :D

Strenx reconnected, it wasn't a game crash, internet disconnection or anything like that, just his own decision. It's an clear forfeit imo, xou said it himself.

Also it's very convenient that strenx sound stopped working(or whatever it was) after he lost the first frag and sparta got total control. It's a fucking joke to rule a replay in this situation, I would be VERY surprised if you find one top player that thinks differently.

THIS

Strenx lost control of the map and quit the server.

How is that a replay?

strenx is more better player that spartazord, u know, and you think he need to swindle in game with him? At first minute with 1 frag lost?!. it's just ridiculous...

yes, strenx has a history of being a complete twat online. why are you defending him?

for the truth only :), rly

hm, the truth is that according to the rules everything is fine (more than fine: according to the rules a simple restart would have sufficed).

still doesn't change the fact that this just does _not_ seem like a good decision for future competitions.

Totally fucking agreed ;[

to be fair, strenx claimed that he had sound problems (that even then could only be fixed by reconnecting) before they started. if strenx planned this ahead, hes rly something!!

Once you hit F3, that means you said you are ready.

The fact that he acknowledged the sound problems before makes his case weaker imo. He knew about the problems but f3'd anyway.

yeah, might have been a mistake by strenx to ready up. admins made a decision and both agreed to play, and from what ive seen spartaz0rd didnt start complaining until he was losing.

as he did ready up for the game, sound was ok
no way after he lost all map control sound fuckd up all of a sudden by magic

it's a clear forfeit as fazz said

IT WAS TERMINATORSOUNDDD

this ^

spartie did the same thing at qcon vs dkt on t9 iirc and got a forfeit loss for that map

and you got a rematch after 2 maps played vs. k1llsen in Paris this year

that said, technical problems shouldn't be the deciding factor in the outcome of an official match

that was replayed due to our game having been played under different conditions compared to all the games that followed and not cause a player did smth, so not really comparable

well, he've got some sound's problem at warmup too, but who cares.

I agree with this random dude.

Plus I would like to ask why the hell strenx took a YA before killing himself on the rematch ? It doesn't make any sense.

why not?

I totally agree in principle, but since ESL has rules for disconnects in the first place it means they consider technical problems a valid excuse for replaying a game. I don't see a great difference between a router problem and a non-working sound, mouse or keyboard. Such problems have already happened in ESL lan's, with no forfeit, i'm pretty sure? The only way to avoid players cheating is putting the responsibility of technical glitches entirely on the players that suffer from them. It wouldn't have been difficult for strenx to simply unplug his cable and fake a 999. These rules are way to easy to exploit.

Then again it was apparent from strenx's pregame chat that he knew he was having sound problems, which is all the more reason to force him to go on or forfeit the game.

ofcourse this

fazz, it was just at 1st minute, with 1 frag lost, you really think strenx needed to swindle in that situation?!?!
and - strenx claimed that he had sound problems before they started - you think it was "artful plan" ?! )))

No, I think it doesn't matter what it was. He reconnected after he pressed ready. Simple as that.

you never was at the same situation, never being at his place?. never-never?

If you such strict supporter of the rule - afaik ESL has rules for disconnects in the first place it means they consider technical problems a valid excuse for replaying a game.

also: s_restart and if that does not help vid_restart. no idea how he could claim he needed to reconnect to the server.

ahahah true i totally forgot that vid_restart do all the job

EDIT : wanted to add that he didnt have a bad spawn ... i did a good move faking going ya and then killing him going ra with rocket even doing 1 air rocket .. so isnt like i got lucky and now i wanna win for that , i deserved that lead .

That means something!

Y actually it has a meaning

I feel sorry for ya man :/

ahahah thank u :D

<3

thats racist

I still don't understand how you think that getting ONE frag before strenx's sound messed up makes it so that you deserve the WIN. Especially after you lost the same map with almost full control and a 1-frag lead. Doesn't sound like you deserve a win to me. Stop acting like one frag means you deserve to win the entire tournament.

The point is mental strength. The admin decision threw Spartazord totally off of his zone. One can argue that he ended up playing much worse than he would have. The opposite can be said about Strenx, who was down one map with a fucked-up start of the second, but got blessed by the admin decision.

Then ofc you can see being emotional as a weakness of Spartazord, but that is quite understandable given the situation. The point is, the admin decision is very questionable.

LOL that is pathetic. Does anyone really piss their pants in an online qualifier?

These guys aren't 12 years old, ffs.

I'm glad this amuses you, and yes, I think some people do care a lot about this.

Ok...he cares about this match that bad to qualify for an event he has 0 chance of winning. Makes sense.

These one liners squabbles are quite embarrassing. I hope we agree this is not a fanclub fight, but I start doubting by the energy put to write some replies...

Personally, I can see many reasons to be willing to qualify for an event with zero chances of winning. For a new player, just to arrive there is a huge accomplishment. Then there is the learning component, both in game and lan experience.

I agree to those who say that beating stronger players should be done the proper way, and not by receiving defwins, but that debate is rather about the admin choice than what the players want.

Well obviously he needs a little more e-experience before he should even think about taking the time out of his real life to attend an event he has no chance of winning - since he can't even stay focused because he got SOOOO MAD over that (he wouldnt have won anyways) he turned into an ultra newb. What makes you think something similar wouldnt happen at LAN? He obviously has some issues with his self he needs to take care of first.

oh noes, they care, call the inernetz police
come on it was an important match for them

he just won t7, he comes into dm13 with win on t7 and frag difference and full control given to him by admins. please tell me how the fuck could that throw him off of his mental zone?

Because in his mind, dm13 was a defwin. He felt cheated by the admin for their decision, and by strenx for the ya. This made him rage and play worse.

stop making up shit :D player of his caliber should be happy that he's even in the iem. nhf but it's true.

I have the impression you are filtering whatever I say with "this must be one of Spartazord's sidekicks", aren't you?

you must be one of Spartazord's sidekicks, aren't you?

No I am not, and I just described what I thought passed in his mind. Which, btw, is confirmed by his recent post.

I HAS SOUND PROBLEMS OMG I CANT PLEJ

fu spartaz0rd !

(i feel plussed)

:DDD

You're not very plussed atm... :p

Must say i find it rather amusing that you decided to pick up the YA next to LG (ignoring it) at the start of the game. Then after the game you log on ESR and complain about your lack of control and not having the LG (which you yet again, ignored).

He didn't have LG in the first DM13 either. It's funny how he thinks he's entitled to ALL items and weapons on the maps, a kill, RA and MH isn't enough.

) rly funny

Why are you just making things up?

He DID have lg! I just checked the VOD. What is wrong with you?
And: Spartazord and Strenx did both agree to the reconnect with a 5-0 lead for Spartazord!
That was the agreement, and it is a fair move by Strenx, which shows that he wasn't faking it.
Maybe it wasn't so fair by Strenx to then have that changed by the french admins.

ok, I remember wrong then. doesn't matter, in no way did he "deserve" an LG in the second map, or any items at all. might've deserved a default win though :)

sparatzoid deserve default win at all this IEM5 world final, no questions! )

you'r such a fanboy...

imo - strenx is very interesting and not ordinary player, with original style (incredible shaft, widest sens in the world and so on :)), and imo - will be a very pity if he will finish his quake-career the charter from infinite criticism and reproaches in himself address. ((

So you agree about being a fanboy.
there's no reason to give someone advantages just because he's "interesting"
Not in the male esport side of this world (unless you r homo)

And btw you'r judging strenx an interesting person who deserves to go to iem, but you can't tell that spartaz0rd don't..because you don't know him at all...

and btw awesome shaft? sparta owned him with lg in t7 multiple times
but he's new, so he's a noone and he doesn't deserve a right chance because he's not the omagad shaft french whom parties every day and that deserves a free spot to iem finals, right?

If he get criticized that's because he's used to do this kind of shit
try to see this thing objectively and not from strenx pov

QD didn't talk about who deserved a defwin or who didn't
if you attack him personally and about his favourite players, I might point to your buddy list and your country flag

and strenx didn't get a free spot, not even a free win

I know he didn't, I was just doing as he did with "sparatzoid deserve default win at all this IEM5 world final, no questions! )"

And I saw that coming, but I could point that alot of persons that don't wear an italian flag or have him in the buddylist think the same as I do...
even guard that dislikes spartaz0rd quite agrees with that.

It's just the ability to see things the way they are, without being influenced by other things you care about

ok good enough answer

hm, it was just a joke, man :-/

i never talked strenx has some preferences from his original style :)
i just explaned why a defense him.. He has so much critics and so few defenders... hm, just me! :)

VODs of tonight's drama and games:

www.own3d.tv/lvlup

And demos:

http://www.rapidshare.com/files/427513650/demos_IEM_pday1.rar

fazz, noctis, plazma... - WHY YOU SO HATE STRENX?!
just imagine - it was not strenx, it was, fe, fox, or spart1e, or cooller - you would be indignant precisely also?..

imagine they wouldnt do it

It's already happend to spart1e, he lost the match.
Happend at esl world finals or something IIRC.

I don't hate strenx? I just think its unfair how it was all played out.
:(

with spart1e? at 1st minute he disconnect by tecnical problems, and he get "lost match", precisely the same situation, you sure?.

it was at quakecon vs destrukt on t9 probably about one minute into the game he just reconnected because his mouse had problems, he didn't timeout to ask an admin or anything, he just reconnected and he got the loss

he won 2-1 in the end tho :P

hm, maybe it was wrong admin decision, how do you think? )
And - today was timeout, consultation with admin+spartazoid, and after that - decision abour rematch with (-1) for strenx - not the same situation like that spart1e match, no?.

And after all that sh#t, eventually - what the goal of the quakelive match?! we are compete in knowledge of all subtleties of rules or in quake-skill ?!?!

I rarely go to esreality, but I have to explain (it's normal I think ):
First of all, I didn't really know about the disconnect, it started at 0:20 and the only way to get sound back ( in my mind ) was to reconnect. I mean, even if I called an admin, it would be the same then I would have to reconnect. I've tried snd_restart but it doesn't work.
However, I understand spartaz0r, I would be angry as well, but unfortunately, I'm not the admin and I don't decide myself. At start, I tried to be fair and asked to give him 5 frags difference. But they didn't accept. I couldn't do better.


ps : I don't think that noctis, fazz hates me, there is no problem between us ;).

Anyway, it was admin choice, so I'm sorry.

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it changed.

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+'d strenx. it changed.

btw strenx nice tactics bro, think im gonna have sound issues in official games as well. that's a whole new side of ql uve discovered there. the dark side. :D

algori&#1088;tm in the same situation is very simple - call timeout and talk with admin.

Things change quickly

Your made a mistake, but it was the admin that made the mistake that matters. No h8

upd: oh, no hates, im so glad that i was wrong about hates :), sorry guys!

and respect, strenx! )
btw your shaft was awesome at aw ;-)

strenx no one here hates u

even me who like to call u a fagget from time to time

but its only cos u tend to act like one with no reason

stop the trash talk and there wont be any more drama

all your brain games are just pathetic and unacceptable

i believe u would be far more succesful in quake if u focus one the game instead of how to piss of your opponents

that is all

Have you heard of the Sensemaker 3000? 50% off at amazon fyi

have u heard about sport kid?

u should try some cos u gay skinny

lol this made me laugh!

Clever response for a racist eastern European, shouldn't have expected a better reply :)

eat more

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s_restart :>

You never answered why you didn't keep your word of giving Spartazord a 5 frag lead - regardless of the admindecision, it was in your hands to keep your word or not.
You also have not answered why you did not jump into the lava as forced, but machinegunned your opponent first as well as taking one yellow armor away.
In my eyes you showed that sportsmanship isn't a priority for you.

I really enjoyed watching you play, you'll get a title soon ;)

the only guy who likes strenx is Nico_QD /// lol

))
All of you know about him something awful! All except me!!

it's looking like strenx all the time talks smut, offends, scoffs, but as soon as I come on stream or in a forum - he erases all shit and behaves as the verygoodboy! ))

You're so using a translator :D

omg, u \ve catched me! X:-O

hahahahaah :D

k so sparta agreed on reconnect, and still whining on esr. ftw :D

edit: on the other hand would be nice to see strenx's demo to see if he really did try to fix his sound etc :D afaik demos record dropping console etc

An other fucked up situation that would be solved with a serverside demo + replay feature...

I like strenx, I don't like spartazord.
But the ESL rules are clear. You can't do your own desidions without admin permision. In general, strenx reconnected becose of bad start (who can prove sound problems?... I know I know...). If he didn't waited admins, he was need to get SPARTAZORD permision to do that. Spartie got punished by it in LAN tourney.
Rules are rules. Admins making troubles for future shit. Now we gonna see same shit (I am gonna use it ofcors) and noone gonna make bad desidion, becose we saw first example. You piss your enemy a lot and getting a better momentum after such RR.
And spartazord is weaker player , we all know, so this win could motivate that kid and for strenx , it's just nothing.

and who talking spartazord wants free win? he won 2nd map..

hm, you are absolutely right, it is bad precedent...

but, in this case - spartazord was agree for rematch! new match with (-1) for strenx. And he played 6 minutes before has declared that all was dishonestly and he is disagree!

If he didn't waited admins, he was need to get SPARTAZORD permision to do that.

Spartaz0rd allowed strenx to reconnect. He also accepted the admin decision (which gave him a ridiculous upper hand). It wasn't until he was losing the second map that he decided to throw a fit like a raging child blaming everyone except himself for his poor concentration.

ok. missed that.

Precisely so! imho

Spartazord allowed Strenx to reconnect after the two players had afreed on a 5-0 lead for Spartazord, which is fair by Strenx (showing that he wasn't faking anything).

That should have been upheld afterwards though!

not really, it wouldn't be fair to the others players in the group fighting for second place to simply hand out a map win to a player against the first place favorite, as a 5-0 lead would potentially lead to. map wins matter to the other players. and yeah it was pretty obvious that strenx wasn't faking, he should've known better that to ready up though since it was apparent in the pregame chat that he had sound problems.

Now this is a different bell.

Strenx just disc'd after asking if 5:0 would be ok. Spartazord said yes, he didn't agree to anything else though (e.g. Strenx leaving before talking to admins).

strenx didn't disconnect until he got the ok. not that I blame spartaz0rd for being confused at that time, he actually handled it pretty well until he 'oked' strenx's stupid proposal. he should've waited for an admin, then again, admins took 30 minutes to reach a decision. i guess xou needs to be on all servers, even though he's a nazi he'll make sure rules are followed.

bottom line this was an admin failure from A-Z, raging on strenx isn't fair.

u r totally right and u can ask him, i never raged to him even yesterday when i was TOTALLY fucked up . I even told him that isnt his fault not against him at all.

oh the drama!

hi everyone ,
today i m definetely more calm and i m gonna try explain what happened .
He joined my server (after a shitload of windows restart like 4 in 5 mins ) and we started to play dm13 .
Before we called the vote for the map he already started to whine about audio that wasnt working etc (made a lot of reconnect) .
He finally fixed it NOT reconnecting ( even tho after he told me "i fixed it", he reconnected anyway he gotta love restarting things ).

So, we started playing dm13 and i was feeling really confident, managed to kill him first min and took control of everything but then he called timeout coz he somehow got audio problems again ( i m gonna assume from now that he REALLY got audio problems coz doesnt change the fact that i m the guy losing by this situation. ) . As most of u prolly know i m pretty new in the competitive scene . I play ql from almost 2 years but i have a good connection only from some months . I actually didnt know what to do and I tried to help him fix it without reconnecting . The told me that only reconnect would have fixed it . I was totally against that but he told me it was the only thing that could have done . then he told me "i give u 5 frags lead if i reconnect ", i didnt know what to say just wrote "k" and he reconnected . After that i wanted to speak with an admin to make this official (i got the demo so i thought would have been a good enough proof ) .

The situation with admins was REALLY messy . Xou was busy with fazz's game and noone was replying me . Xou after reading my version said that was clearly def win but wanted to speak with other admins. I waited almost 20 mins without knowing what to do with everyone( not admins) telling me " u get def win no way he quits midgame after he s losing etc " . I thought of other situations where this happened and figured out that has always been like this . I had to leave a lot of zotacs with my old connection that lagged . As trance proposed i asked if we were able to play second map meanwhile since they were looking a bit slow on the deciding . They agreed and i won t7 convincely .
After that strenx told me to join irc again and admins somehow totally changed their mind telling me that i should have played match again but with an advantage : he got to rush lava before playing . I was TOTALLY against that and complained a lot but there werent a lot of choices so very sadly i accepted hoping in a fair match that would have been just like the continue of the old one . This definetely wasnt and realizing this while playing made my prestation unexistent , i didnt think to the game a single time but just whined and thought about how unfair that was .
I really started to whine and lose my calm for this reasons :
1)This situation makes legit for everyone to just reconnect from a game where he s losing making a deal that wont be respected and getting a better situation just for that .
2) he takes ya before killing himself . This is totally against what sady said. She said u FIRST kill urself in lava than play the game normally . That didnt happen .
3) had to just rj to steal( which means an armor/hp lose) at lg ya since he was already respawning and could have easily taken ra if he spawned near it if i lost more time . Prolly he wouldnt have done that but i never practised a situation like this so i didnt want to dont even get control . This choice was definetely influenced by my rage and me not focusing on the game .
3) We had our first fight at 0 : 24 fighting for ya that he took before dieing .. this totally changed the game since that item shouldnt have spawned at 27 .
4)I started to realize that i didnt have even nearly the same stack or control that i had in first game.
5) i was thinking about playing defensive making him attack and eventually get more predictable but realized that he had 1 minute more than he should have got . Not saying that running away was an option but what if i lost the last minute for a frag??

All this conditions feeded my anger making me just raging badly ( never raged as that in my life for a game ) and not being able to play at all . i couldnt time one item or where he was i just thought i should have already won why am i doing this?? why am i now the guy that is in the worse situation while i shouldnt .

If u consider it all togheter , we were 1-0 maps for me with 1 map where he quitted mid game which i was pretty sure i would have got defwin . I felt like i had it ,my aim was feeling great ( 40 lg on t7 ) my mind game was solid, everything was going really well .
I lost confidence and everything and game went totally on the wrong direction not for my own mistake or anything but because he reconnected mid game . Why should i get punished for that? I m the guy in the losing situatuon on this story while i should be the one on the upper hand . The mach surely wouldnt have been the same if he didnt reconnect and i really cant understand why i should be the one suffering from it .

Some might say that it influenced strenx aswell and made him play bad in t7 but HE was the one doing a MISTAKE or having the problem NOT ME . ( assuming he did a mistake readyupping reconnecting and not just wanting to restart match coz was in a really bad situation).
This situation might lead to people just reconnecting in matches , something never seen and never heard in quake community afaik .
I know this is partially my bad . I shouldnt have got so much distracted by all what happened and i should have quitted right after he took ya . This surely will be a nice lesson for me to not get in the same situation for the future games .

Lastly i d like to say sorry to everyone for my rage that was definetely exaggerated .

have a + for a calm and detailed explanation of things from your side. You were unlucky this time, but keep your mind clear and move on. Admins will most likely learn something from this episode and next time things will go smoother (hopefully).

thank u man and sorry for have fucked up all ur planes yesterday :D

Strenx managed to pull through with irl-hacks. c:

strenx has an amazing talent of making ppl rage and provoking this kinda situations

he is a cool guy after all but its like a 100 time he won something partly cos of beeing an asshole

[+]. Gl with the rest of the group, all things considered taking a map from strenx could well be the thing that puts you through, the group is wide open for sure.

Unfortunately, the rules and justice dont always walk the same path.

In this situation, we can probably agree that rules go your way but is it really fair ? Its not like ppl use this "trick" often, in fact, we didnt find the "exact" same configuration in the past. You too even admited that this is very likely that strenx wasnt lying about his sound problem. Admitting that he really had this problem, what would be "fair" to you ?

I'd also like to point out something relevent to me. YOU were the underdog in this match. Its very likely that strenx would beat you on a rematch. I understand you take this seriously and want to improve and beat top players like strenx but we both now this is not the way to do it. Whinning to get a defaut win beacause of the "rules" isnt classy, its lame. You want to beat strenx, do it the right way, the beautiful way, the way people gonna respect you.

And even tho I'm french I'm not a strenx fan, neither is maybe 90% of french quake community, and you know why ? Because strenx didnt won our respect by behaving like a stupid teenager, wasnt respecting anyone and surprisly had no respect in return. He even started quake in the most blatant form of disrespect for other players : cheating. (He seems to have matured more since this period but its gonna be a long time before he can erase this image from our memory)

u r totally right and that is the main part in me accepting playing again but as i sad anger took over me .
I dont want to get a def win , i won my map convincely isnt like looking for a def win for no show or anything related . As it might look lame taking a win this way i find even more lame how he took the win ( nothing against him , situations led to that )

I have to ask you though. You're saying he quitted midgame? It was 34sec into the first map. How do you get that to "midgame"?

Second, I remember playing you in a zotac cup where I was winning on t9 vs you and you just disconnected. You then came back complaining about your connection. You said lets replay with me having my lead which was a few frags and us only playing the remaining time.

I agreed (just as you agreed to strenx) - where is the difference here.

You're complaining about having to drop from zotacs because of your bad connection/people forced you to leave or they didnt agree to replay - right?

BUT what im getting at here is that I agreed to replay - just as you did vs strenx. So why do you want people to be fair against or with you when you cant show good sportsmanship yourself?

Dunno why im typing this - im just curious to how the fuck your brain works - you want sportsmanship from your "opponent" but you dont want to show sportsmanship yourself(?) even though you agreed to the game. Sady clearly said: "replay the game with strenx -1 and if spartazord agrees" and you agreed.

i agreed to the rule which was :
rush lava right after u spawn not take armor then rush lava.
didnt talk about sportmanship aswell never said its strenx fault he can reconnect midgame then dont follow rules etc ... not my problem as far as the right decision is taken on what he did . i m not angry with him .

What I am wondering is why noone is questioning Strenx seeming lack of integrity in the situation that occured.

1. Strenx and Spartazord agreed to the reconnect under the condition of "5-0". It's an agreement,
2. As soon as Strenx reconnects, he starts talking about which rules are applicable, suddenly forgetting about the agreement.
(Of course, here Spartazord seemed to push for a defwin)
3. Strenx, feeling that this may be a defloss, suddenly suggests "3-0 for Spartazord", trying to modify what he, they, had agreed to,
4. At the start of Lost World, Strenx takes the upper YA, does machine gun damage to Spartazord, kills himself, and then even checks if the mega is still there for him.
I don't think that this is what the admins proposed.

I think the original agreement is more than ok and generous by Strenx. But as soon as he had reconnected, he showed that his word isn't worth too much,

In the end, though, it is all Spartazords fault for playing on after he got mg:d and heard the ya pickup. Dude, you should have stopped right there.

u r totally right . i should have disconnected immediately :( . That was the biggest mistake i did .. just thinking to myself and whine instead of quitting . I dunno why i didnt quit rly :(

spartazord, it was just 30 sec and just one frag lead...
imho It would be very sportsmanshiply ), if you would say - "strenxa, let's just restart our dm13 match, 0:0, np" ...

The best player not always winning is part of competitions. It's not only about winning with beautiful play, it's also about being lucky sometimes and getting new opportunities & experiences. That's what makes it unpredictable and fun.

Being consistent is also part of being a really good player. So make fair rules, apply them and don't think about who would normally win - that's not the issue here.

Gotta agree with the other guy. Please, grow up, and grow a pair. If you can't handle your rage because strenx had a computer problem, or you are so inconfident in your abilities, then you would have been out of the tournament sooner or later.

I'm sick of the entitlement that sparaz0rd thinks he deserves because he got extremely lucky the first match (he would have needed all the luck he can get to get out of the group stage).

He got beat on two maps, he won one map. He lost the match. If sparta boy is any good then he will beat spartie and win the group. If he doesn't, then he clearly didn't deserve to move on anyways.

And the rage made him play worse? Deal with it. A champion wouldn't whine and sulk, a real champion would have beat strenx on the second dm13 and on aerowalk. A loser would just whine on esreality, irc, and in the in-game chat.

Please, grow up

nice thing to read from an anonymous post

btw how could he fix sound, with match paused? i mean, w\o even trying to move a bit to check if he managed to fix it or not
from the vod spartaz0rd's pov he had no sound, i'd like to see strenx demo...

I still don't see what you're complaining about, Spartazord, or why you feel entitled to a default win. You agreed to replay the match with a 1-frag lead over strenx. *Note that when the first match was paused for sound issues, you only had 100/150* The new match starts and you quickly get about 200/150 and it's your own choice that you didn't pick up a shaft, so stop whining about not having shaft. So to go from a 1-frag lead with 100/150 to a 1-frag lead with ~200/150 is a pretty sweet deal, and you sure didn't seem to have a problem until you were down 7-0 (apparently if you guys had played like originally planned and done the 5-0 lead for you, it wouldn't have mattered anyway with him winning by that much), then everything was "totally f*cked up" and you act like you deserve a default win after losing a match where you were handed a 1-frag lead and complete control of the map. I think you got more than your fair share of control given where you were at in the original match on dm13, and it's your own fault for not picking up shaft, and it's also your own fault for agreeing to the terms if you were uncomfortable with them (which you obviously were not until you were losing). You are acting like him taking that YA before he jumped into lava is what made you lose the match, and it obviously wasn't. I really do sympathize with your situation, but there's a rule that allows for him to reconnect with that type of issue (I agree with you, that may be a bad rule) and the things you're complaining about likely wouldn't have changed the outcome. It was definitely a messy situation, but you came off realllllly whiny and raged. Beat spartie and prove everyone wrong!!! :) I really am pulling for you even if it's hard to believe given this post.

the point is...admin imposed a rule ( him rushing lava right after spawn and not hitting me with mg + taking a ye ) that wasnt respect and this to all what happened and u get my aim . Match wouldnt surely end the same without me totally whining and not focusing to the game . Do u actually think that u go from being almost calm ( i was already pretty raged ) to TOTALLY whine in one second ( 7th frag ) ? There isnt a rule for this situation aswell ( even admins admitted it coz u cant say it was a technical problem ... isnt like lag or anything related , its him saying his audio didnt work which might be both false or true and having to reconnect for some weird reason )
i cant consider my situation any better in the rematch aswell... u cant consider me with 100 150 since i was at mega with it spawning the exact second he called the timeout .

ty for supporting me btw :D

Yeah, I definitely would be pretty upset at the situation too man. I don't blame you for raging. I hate that it happened to ya. You were looking great up till that rematch on dm13. Stay focused and beat the rest of the group! :)

Oh, and I didn't know there wasn't a rule specifying that he could reconnect for audio problems. Bad luck for you, even though I'm sure it's not strenx's fault either. Just a messed up situation in general.

fox stream?

fox who?

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1980401

The disappointing thing for me would be Strenx lack of integrity and sportsmanship.

1. Strenx had promised a 5-0 lead to Spartazord, even if admins make another decision, it is simply weak and bad character to not fulfill that promise. If the kid would have a straight back he would have given away the 5 frags regardless of the admindecision as he had promised.

2. Strenx tops this by not directly killing himself in the lava as forced by the admins, but instead starting off machinegunning Spartazord at the spawn and deliberately taking one yellow armor before actually jumping into the lava, thus completely changing the dynamics of the map.
Apparently Strenx is not only not a man of his word, but also not very sportive.

Put both points together and it is just pretty nasty by Strenx.
Spartazord should have demanded a restart the second Strenx machinegunned him and took that yellow armor.

stream? somebody know?
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23:00 MSK, 31 October 2010: Sweden Spart1e vs plaZmaa Norway (Details)

Wasn't streamed :) Spart1e won 2-1 though.

av3k winz wiil be streamed?..
00:15 MSK, 3 November 2010: France winz vs av3k Poland (Details)

To be rescheduled :x