Good post, great read for a noob like me who doesn't know how to get started with timing.

Out of any of the timing posts I've seen, this is really nice.

[+]

analog clock and i dont need any of this, just a glance at the clock and i have it inscribed in my mind. if the counter on the clock was wide so it would indicate mega and red it would be even easier. if id wants to make it easier for the noobs, this is the way, have an option for an analog clock type graphical representation of time. The old leet guys will rageeee big time. i might even make a thread on the ql forums, and since id really wants to attract a wider crowd this just might get in to the game... "noooooo you will ruin the game id... you are so stupid, you cant do simple adding and substracting!!!" imo how the timing is done now is really not needed in a computer game made to enjoy yourself. removing the clock like in cpm would be even better, but thats not gonna happen...


oh, and nice work man, if i ever will want to learn timing like a pro il definetly look at this thread again...

you can imagine an analog clock in your mind, you wouldn't get the very exact time if it was really there either

well its an idea to try, i give you that, but like you said it cant be accurate and you have to convert data in your mind which is distracting, so i would be better of just timing by feel. with a counter only indicating seconds i would be very close to the exact times, only off by a second or two maximum. with a counter that would be wide indicating mega and red i would be exact to the second, with just glancing at it which takes you just a very small fraction of a second to process. that leaves your mindflow to work on other things. playing in a trance is something that can never compete with a fully conscious style and timing with adding and subtracting, if not learnt totaly by heart, which takes a lot of time to be doing it automaticly in game, really is the main thing that is keeping you from zoning out. examples of such styles in action is cypher in magic mode, like that dm6 comeback finnish vs avek and fox who is always playing fully conscious and that makes him hesitate in situations and making him unable to win anything bigger. cooler has shown the same thing in the last tournament, where he was playing really conscious against avek for the first part of the maps. when avek got the lead cooller just let it rip and the magic started to happen. this is the thing that people wonder about how they go into god mode when smoking a joint.

They could also make a timer that is only showing the nulbers of seconds in nuleric numbers which is 60sx10mn = 600seconds. Could be even better.

hmm...m and l are not close to each other on the keyboard...

on french ones it is

I did not know that. the world is full of surprises.

Snapshot of that area of my standard English keyboard.

[j][k][l]
.[m][,]

I'd say it's fairly close, but definitely closer on a French keyboard. :)

azertyuiop
qsdfghjklm
wxcvbn

So when you have an english/american keyboard you have to look at the keys :p

(like I do all the time bc I'm too lazy to learn to type properly; btw. how can I format text to supersmall?)

nah not that much, a=q z=w m=, ( next to n ) and that's it. Only punctuation is a bit harder to learn though.

Yeah it's not that hard imo, I can get used to a qwerty in a few minutes, though the punctuation would take much longer obviously.

The thing I love the most about qwerty keyboards is that you get numbers above the letters without having to press shift/caps lock or using the numpad. Cba getting one though, plus it would make writing in French a bit tedious :<

if the counter on the clock was wide so it would indicate mega and red it would be even easier.

with a counter that would be wide indicating mega and red i would be exact to the second,

I don't get this. Could you elaborate?

http://i.imgur.com/UAGFd.png

quick, paint demonstration, i cba to make an animation out of this.. as you can see you could also just have 3 counters going around. one would argue that this would be close to just displaying in numbers when the next spawn time is on pickup, but its more similair to have 3 digital counters, one of current time, and the other two 25, and 35 seconds ahead. a trained mind in timing is just this, the time on the screen automaticly in his mind reflects the according number in the future for mega or red. this system would just put this on to your screen instead of happening in your mind. in the end like memento has demonstrated its like multiplicaton in school, everyone knows it. imagine on every item pickup you would get a multiplication problem like 5x5=, or a gun that does more damage if you solve 6x5.. everyone will get it right and have the better gun, so you can just give the players better guns without the silly multiplicaton problems. its not something that will create a skill gap between players in the end like aiming does or movement because we are not machines. for simple multiplication we can be.

this would be pretty much like enabling the spectator item timers for players to see, wouldn't it

well sort of, like i said:

"one would argue that this would be close to just displaying in numbers when the next spawn time is on pickup, but its more similair to have 3 digital counters, one of current time, and the other two 25, and 35 seconds ahead. a trained mind in timing is just this, the time on the screen automaticly in his mind reflects the according number in the future for mega or red. this system would just put this on to your screen instead of happening in your mind"

spectator item timers work if you seen the item pickup or not, and an analog clock would still be a tool you can use to help you timing, it wouldnt mean all item times would be revealed and available to you at all times.

and like i said in previous posts, i could do very well with just one counter, because the point is not in knowing the exact mega and red times, but the different representation of time, which is more graphical and easier to use for some than dealing with numbers. some find its best for them to have an internalized kinestetic system. see the reply i made to memento mori a couple of posts down. this would help you not just with item pickups but with handling all events happening in the game. knowing the time for going from one point to another is the same as an item pickup time and the spawn time for that item and its just as important. if you know the exact spawn time, but you cant evaluate how much its going to take you to get there, you have to show up early to the item, just like you would have to if you didnt know the exact spawn time. it just helps you to know when to exactly jump on the item to get the cleanest pickup, but it doesnt help you with time planing thru the whole game. for that you need a represantation of time that suits your internal system of processing such information.

a czech flag?

Nice. Marked. Shared.

nice, have a plus!

you should post this on the official forums aswell btw

I posted a link to this page in the Getting Started section.

In his bible, Chance suggests

chance wrote a ql guide or something? link it if he did :>

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1747280

Nice [+]

If you still struggle to do timing, you probably are low/mid tier.

knew it

lol, my bad.

you are making the assumption that everyone has the motivation and goals of the pros in terms of getting better to be the best and that everyone is putting so much effort in learning like you do, and that timing is something people struggle with... people just dont care about timing that much, they just play to have fun in most cases, instead of taking the time to learn that whole table of times. so timing is not an indication of skill but more a lack of motivation in the direction of learning a whole table of numbers. if everyone wanted to im sure they are able to memorize it. if not, i dont think they could be using computers. besides zero4 is one of the guys that times by feel, and as you may know he doesnt have any problems. Peoples models of the world vary immensely, some find it easier to work with numbers, some with a graphical representation of time, others find the internalized kinestetic way works best for them. timing is the thing in quake that makes a really good example of how people have different systems and representations in their mind, but that is only until you learn it by hart. the problem with this is also that you only learn red and mega times.. what about going from one place to another? you are at a certain position and you need to get to red. what good does the exact spawn time do for you if you dont know also exactly how much doest it take you to get there? it helps ofcorse to know the time so you can jump on it in the exact moment, but you still have to be there early if you dont know how long it will take you to get there, just as you have to be there early if you dont know the exact spawn time. a far better solution would be to give everyone the representation tools that they are most comfortable with, so that they can use that for everything happening in the game, not just red and mega. your position at a given time, and your destination is just like a pickup time and the spawn time.

use paragraphs you fuck

THATS NOT HOW MY MIND WORKS

its shit,

next time talk to the wall. if you accept that nobody will read your wall of text, stop posting anything.

you tell him, jamalz!

tldr;

Did you reply to the correct post? If yes, you may have missed the joke.

Anyway, I agree with most of what you say. The sole purpose of this thread was to organize my thinking and share it with others. I like to play, think and talk about the game. And I would like to get better at it. This is the best place to find people like me, so some may appreciate the effort. Others will not care, and I'm fine with it :)

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Racist.

that's what she said

So is your face.

Maybe at your mom's house c:

why did you have to edit it? :D

To fill all lines till the end. Perfectionism!

as a matter of fact zero4 has problems when he is facing timing monsters like cooller, cypher or rapha

clasic

Just run around backwards spamming grenades like gaz3 does

have a [+], sir!

cpm did it right time left: 9:xx - screw all these people who just run items, make it more tricky! :o)

cpm is trash

yes that is one of the things that cpm got right.

the mh respawn system was good too :o)

yes that is one of the things that qw got right.

i never really played qw :[

I would prefer that as well, timing would still be just as important, only it would be more about having a good feel for times instead of constantly thinking about numbers.

People will just use clock next to their monitor... so doesn't really solve anything.

Feeling is not a mental skill. It is just feeling and it doesn’t require any mental calculations. Everybody uses feeling anw. Even ppl that time well use it for the items that they don’t time and other things. It is also a pretty easy skill and almost everybody after some time can have a pretty good feeling of when the items are spawing. If he is exceptional and nails it and is able to do it near to the second, then he doesn’t need to time anw and he also has an advantage over ppl that time, since he uses less mental recourses.

good point, would like to hear what the cpma developers had in mind when they introduced it though.

or maybe just put a fucking analog clock in there.

i have never played quake before and i can say that my profile stat 100% represent my quake experience atm (never aliased or such)

now i have like 2.5 duels played afaik and started to time 3rd item

so its jsut a matter of practice and no advise can help u with it u just need to start trying thats all

after some time even if i forget the exact time i can just feel when i should go for a specific item and the numbers just come to my head automaticly

Well then I do envy your ability. For most people, me included, it's not like that.

Just out of curiosity, what's your main occupation/study/employment?

Why asking?

Im into fashion business. Having boutiques, even doing some fshows recently and starting distribution

Family business :)

I'm interested in people profiles, but in the specific I was wondering if your occupation were influencing your timing. In general, I have the feeling that the more well rounded the background of a person is the better, for ql skills as well.

i think u look for some math backgrunds

nope ive never been into science/math even though math fascinates me HARD and i think ill study it in the future just for myself even though atm i suck at it badly

i played some chess back in the days (sucked bad at it too) but when i duel quake for me its more like a chess game: position/counterposition and so on

and again i suck at it heheh

i dont suck at love though but it fucked me hard a few times

im more of a humanist

omg ye and i was a cocaine addictc so if u ask me about anything i can talk hours

u know like u asked me about quake predispositions and now im bullshittin about love and cocaine

quake is great amen

You actually confirm my suspicion. I am an engineer and I work with engineers. Of some of them, I respect their deep math/code skills, but I find them very clumsy in almost everything else. Even mentally slow to react to unexpected things. When it comes to quake I've seen many good players being more practical or artistic people.

This is interesting.

I've also found the opposite; I've found players (that I know in real life), that are clumsy in real life/not good at sports apparently poor coordination, who play seriously well in quake and have good aim. This guy in particular has really good aim/movement too. Also very academic. But this is one guy I know, probably the exception that proves the rule kind of thing :P


Yeah, I'm surprised at the number of really good players, that are just not technically minded at all (I'm an engineering student), just doesnt make sense to me at times :(

most nerds don't put enough effort into sports to become good. also real sports require whole body precision while quake is just micro.

Uh nice post. I dont think that the background is important, or not necessarily (even though thats not a scientific statment). I even studied math as a minor and can't time shit ;)
Anyway... nicely done, even though I don't think, that it will help my timing skills.

you might also mention cycling items. when you're new and timing only say ra/mh, u can usually get the yas by simply cycling. as in remembering the order in which the yellows come up in relation to the items that you ARE timing. of course once u get past the timing barrier, this becomes a disadvantage since cycling items requires you to restrict your options in terms of where you go in the map. so you dont want to overdo this. however it is a good skill to have, and it also pays off in tdm for instance where u can lock down weapons without actually timing them, simply by remembering for instance that the rail is coming up 10s after ra.

ps: all the good guides/thoughts etc on ql should be organized in one place, thats accessible to people who're starting out and want to get better. (it should really be somewhere on the ql site but ive given up on id so fuck that).

Cooller is probably the master of cycling items; he's done it on ztn for years, and recently was probably the first one to learn how to do it sucessfully on t9 :)

when i started to play Q3 back then, i played a lot vs the osp nightmare xaero bot. it shoots like 70mg, 60 shaft, every rail etc, so my only chance to shoot it if i had 200/200 when he had 100/0 or something. that way i was forced to pick up literally every item, even knowing sometimes where the shards/healths come up. my goal was win vs it without dying once, if it shooted me i restarted the map. i eventually get better and better and at the end as every normal player should do i defeated it with a 40/0 score every time. the first goal should be defeat it without dying, when its absolved, the score limit should be putted up, like defeat it for at least 15/0, than 20/0, etc. this is also a good way to learn maps, like where are the exits, which position you need to engage a fight etc...

i never had good aim, but this kind of practice evolved a pretty good playing style. i never really counted anything in my head, just played the items by feel. i quit Q3 in 2007 and only came back in QL last year, but this skill just remained the same, nonetheless im getting owned by far worst player in new maps=)

I hate timing. Its the backbone of duel but it distracts me so much. Either i get into the zone, take every item by feeling and destroy my enemy with my aim without timing with clock or i try to time and just focus too much on it and get lead around rushing item to item by the enemy and eventually screw up and die in a stupid way.

I can't mix them or get 'into the zone' when timing per second. :(

I doubt i'm the only one who uses sequential timing where you time item after next,

for example if you pick mega at xx:47 and blanked out on what was 47+35 but it was picked up, you know next mega will be 47+10

or armor 47-10

What??!

Please explain!

mega at 47 spawns at 22; 47 + 10 = 57?

ra at 47, spawns at 12; 47 - 10 = 37?

Clearly I am missing something :(

he is talking about missing an item! imagine you pick an item at 47, you miss the mega after that, which as at 22, so the next will be 57, got it now?

Ah! Thank you, good sir :)

I do that often but it does not play out as well as enemy took the one I missed, with some delay (intentional / unintentional) and that ends up me getting in a fight over something non-existent fairly often as the other guy knows the exact time, he will force a fight where he can take the risk of dropping to 20 hp while I die and then he replenishes right after the fight and goes for a spawn frenzy.

I think (not what I always manage to do) it is better to go for a non-committing fight for the item because you know the approximate time, if it works out good, if it does not just hang around long enough to know the exact time for the next one while not taking too much damage and delivering some.

I updated the first post including two new sections.

i think this might be even more useful for many people, i haven't seen any guides really mentioning these stuff
keep up the good work

GA at Campgrounds? oO

I had only one column for ga/shards originally. Fixed.

Kilsen method of timing: Get railgun, wait till opponent takes armor, rail opponent twice. Take mega.

forgot to mention that only works in ztn :)

T7?

Aerowalk

:D

connect with 2 more rail, force a spawn, rail

thanks for your effort but all you are doing is making it look harder than it is like some super mathmatical shit... while its so easy just +25 +35... i don't think this way u help people but demotivate them to learn propper timing

but thats just my opinion and once again thx for the effort =)

Cheat

you forgot timing the delay between railgun shots: BIU! Jjjjjjjj BIU! Impressive! Jjjjjjjj 5 times in a row, you got control back, k1llsen would be proud

if u cant even +25, +35 gtfo

it's forgetting to do the adding that that is more of the problem, or being imprecise with checking the clock time

awsum article!
GG!

You're almost making science out of timing items lol

It is easier and quicker to memorize timings rather than following a math algorithm. There are 120 timings in total for armor/mega. Any one who graduated 8th grade should be capable of memorizing all the timings with in a few hours.

Get some flash cards. Write the pick up time on one side and the spawn time on the other. Study for a while, apply it in game, and you now know how to time with out calculations.

I fully agree with the rest of what you wrote. Nice work.

Yes I fully agree. I'm a bit cofused though... I thought I stressed memorizing is better than computing enough, didn't I?

Hrm upon second inspection, you're right. My mistake.

Timer1->Enable = true;
and that would be it lol

On the last picture, you mention the "3 minutes window" but I dont think your developing this anywhere else when it is, afaik, a crucial timing concept.

I've always been to lazy to wrote about this and always suspected that it was know too much but here it is :

There is a "3 minutes cycle" in the mega respaws :

00:40 / 1:15 / 1:50 / 2:25 / 3:00

Of course this is not absolute exact times but in most cases, mhs will respawn at those times (often 1 or 2 secs after, rarely before).

What does that means ? that means that I know there is a mega at 8:25 before the game had even started. This is just fucking helpfull.

Now I see ppl are gonna say that this system is fucked up if a mega is delayed for some reason, but its not, because if I'm in one of those cases, I just remember the value of the delay. But for those who are discovering this, you'd be surprised how often there is rarely any delay, especially on fast maps where megas are picked quickly (aero, hektik, dm6, t9).

I could even go deeper with the "delay" situation because you noticed, seconds for pickups are 00/15/25/40/50, so whatever the delay is, it will always be very close from one of those numbers, the seconds cycle stay the same, only minutes changes. (I realised that prolly no one understood this as I'm explaining it like shit)

So finally, timing the mega could be done without any counting, which frees the counting part of the brain to focus on armors, that you can pick one after another on a cycle like it was already said.

You'll still have to be aware of the ra-mh desync situation, and you explained that very well.

Is your nickname a nod to Robert Faurisson, the negationist who claims that the gas chambers never existed and that there was no deliberate attempt to exterminate the Jews during WWII?...

If you type his name in google images, you'll see in the first results how he was beaten for "claiming" those absurdities. So yeah, I don't like the guy as a person but I like him as a symbol that "freedom of speach" is a joke when it comes to some subjects and that this joke is severely repressed in a intorable way.

For foreigners who dont know, they actually made a law in France stating that if you do research in History, you CAN NOT discuss the reality of concentration camps anymore.

I disapprove of him getting beaten but I don't see how it is even remotely close to being relevant. He still declared what I mentioned.
edit: and by the way he was condemned for some of his declarations before the introduction of the Gayssot law.

or you could - you know - just time it.

There was an other bullet in my list that I called "statistics" which was meant to cover exactly this. I haven't had the time to write it yet.

this is fascinating stuff, also...which button fires the gun again?

usually is the mouse1

I could write some statistics and few diagrams but mouse1 is the general idea

flocutus wrote in his ut bible that he uses space and alt to fire / 2nd fire because that does not affect his constant aim

some players bind it on keyboard, to avoid moving the mouse too much while pressing mouse1...
I saw a dude using mouse1 for +forward and mouse2 for +backward once...feels so weird...

there was some FPS game where that was the default, I played it...

toxjq D:

OR

Online Hero Timing Bible

1. Get 3 audio file players
2. Get a simple audio file editor
3. Create 3 audio files .wma .mp3 and .ogg
- .wma is 30 seconds of silence followed by a BLING
- .mp3 and .ogg are 20 seconds of silence followed by a BLONG and a ZING respectively.
4. Get a global hotkey app
5. Bind the playing of the 3 files to 3 keys unbound in Quake
6. In the game, press the respective keys for MH RA or YA, and you will hear a bling zing ding 5 seconds before their spawn time.
7. ???
8. PROFIT

BUT WHAT ABOUT TEH FPS LOSS?!!11

Hum interesting

;-)

here is my little contribution, instead of using a global hotkey app, just use a program Voice and Speech Recognition.

Now in the game just say :

armor or megaheath with your same sound system u tell.

Voice and Speech Recognition can do some action like playing sound too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UZq5PP-ndg

;-)

Consider this as cheat.

Please nuke that shit.

Consider this as retarded.
Please nuke this shit.

The fact that your idea is great doesn't mean that you should share it. There are bunch of people who can take your concept and use it killing the sportsmanship.

Don't take it personally and sorry for using a bad word.

I don't think the idea is that great or that others haven't thought about something similar (i.e. using a stopwatch beside them when playing), so I don't believe sharing it would change much. I know a guy who calls his girlfriend to do the timing for him in important matches. I mean...wtf.

Plus, lans are the only thing that matters.

it would make for more interesting games

it is just a game ffs, it is not the one billion ultimate championship

I would suggest to major it instead ... so that more ppl can time (even like that) and make the games more interesting

So let's tell ID to enable respawn timers for players, not only for specs. Why bother with some other progs? It will be much easier to time items and the games will be much more interesting thought.

have it as an option for the low tiers maybe, but not for everybody

Because if I see the time of the spawns on the screen, it would be impossible and crazy to keep doing the calculations mentally. Therefore, I will have one less thing to do and I don’t like that. The more a game it demands the more I like it (most quakers are like that). Otherwise, I would be playing CA instead of duel. Giving though a way to time to those lazy minds, it will increase the competiveness and make it better for all of us.

that's an option, but it's different from having a manual clock, as it would give you the time also for item you don't see/hear the pickup.

i find timing to be easier the more items i am keeping track of actually, and then running them in order (or out of order). if i grab mega then get ra 10 seconds later i know they will spawn at the same time as a basic example. add in another yellow armor or shards that you pick up, or even other health bubbles, gives you a sequence to help remind you when the next item in the chain will appear or if you need to delay a pickup, etc. another example is grabbing an armor then getting mega right after; you then know that when you grab the same armor on the next cycle that the mega will come about 8-10 seconds later. consequently, i suck at aiming due to my rarity of playing, and sometimes play quake more like an item collection game.

yup, i find the same thing. timing a few items gives an overview that feeds into knowing other relational stuff.

in painkiller people could usually time the armors 20s to the second; the problem is if some of the relations break down.

they both strengthen eachother, the abstract times and relational flows.

Wow, this thread is full of newbs.

All you really need to know is, if you're too nice to African-Americans, they become really annoying.

There are so many methods and strategies used to invalidate 'timing' mechanisms, yet people act like timing is nothing more than a mathematical calculation.

Just ask Egypt. They have no real laws right now, so you can have sex with as many scantily clad Muslims as you want. What the fuck are you, robots? Don't answer that, I know you are. Why else, when you have a choice, would you not make a good choice?

I always had troubles remembering calculations, I used to do it by feeling.. still do if I ever play duel.

tbh its idiotic to learn some table of values to get better in timing, just do maths and by time you can handle calculations in 0,1sec. I myself have done so and i can time up 3 items to the SECOND and other items by feeling.

And still you are not even a mediocre player. How odd.

i love trolls like you, saying i am not even mediocore is idiotic, since i can win even world top 30 players when in shape

feel my rail up your ass mister juM8onstein )))))))

should help a lot of people! :)

better sell magic pills quakeabolons for the morons to get good at quake in notime

lol not a bad idea

meh feel time works good enough for me

That was one of the best guides I've ever red for Quake Live! If I could I would give you 1000 [+]. Altough I allready knew about the formula of 30+/-5 for timing an Item and could time one quite decend during a game, your guide helped me to see timing from an other pov, now instead of simply timing the items I try to plan in advance what I can do when I got the Item and when I need to get back, because of that I only sometimes find myself in the situation that I overextended myself and missed an item, a thing that happened much more often before your guide.

Thanks a lot!

Peace

The guide is now downloadable as a .pdf file

Link: http://g4menation.com/downloads/quake-live/

doc? really? please use pdf or at least an open format

I can put up the PDF version, no issues. Gimme 2 mins

Done

:)

PDFs are horrible.

Thanks!

np :)

Damnit people. Which among you are robots?

It's a nice guide, good to see people contributing to the community. While I am super-duper awesomeness-extreme, I didn't start out that way. I had to learn timing and timing-interruption like everyone else.

So which one of you mother-fuckers are robots? I've got nothing against robots, I just need to know.

Oh yeah, and after Mardi Gras, I can nab a Verizon LTE connection and get in some quality playing time. If you're French, and at Mardi Gras, I will sell you illegal drugs. Make sure you tell me here, exactly what you want, so we can use that as misdirection. Naturally, you should tell me privately the specific things you want. I only sell to the French, because they're not a bunch of fags like the British. Seriously England, why so repressive?

<3

I just round up to the closes multiple of 5.

sec
0:00 = 0:00
0:01 = 0:00
0:02 = 0:00
0:03 = 0:05 ## Turn up slightly earlier
0:04 = 0:05 ## or as I like to call it 'Early 5'
0:05 = 0:05
0:06 = 0:05
0:07 = 0:05 ## 'Late 5'
0:08 = 0:10 ## 'Early 10'
0:09 = 0:10
0:10 = 0:10

if mega
time += 30
time += sec

if ra
time + = 20
time + = sec

i used to do pretty much this, then when it came to a situation where i needed to know the exact time (dropping on the item then rjing away or something), i usually got to remember how early/late it was going to come up. ~1.5 sec difference max, usually none

I do that within seconds.
0:01.7 = late on 26
0:01.2 = really early on 26 :p

timing is probably the reason ppl play clan arena

i'd like to see the timer removed from the game completely!

play CA

i think map control would be a lot more interesting and skillful this way

feeling doesn't require any mental skill

adding and subtracting is pretty fucking easy...i wouldn't call that skill

that's the easy part of timing

and if it was that easy, why you don't do it? loool

i do it every game i play...timing is the easy part, its how you go about positioning yourself etc and running th map that is hard, counting a number in your head is not skill

lool I thought to skip that part, in case you won't lie, but anyway...

You don't time, at least not as good as you would like to, because nobody that can time well has ever whined about timing and never will.

Also, many ppl swear that they time, but I can't see nothing close to it when I play them (not that mine is really good, but it is not an hallucination either).

im not whining about timing, i'm simply saying i think it makes map control easier than it need be. sure there are plenty of other aspects to timing than simply counting the numbers, but personally i think it would be even more interesting to see pro's play with no timer

Play CPMA! There you don't have a exact timer (only minutes and the last 60 seconds of a game).

i've played a ton of cpm :)

and this is majored )))) crying ))))

Converted the Console Guide HTML by TheMuffinMan into PDF as well, just in case anyone cares :)

Link: http://g4menation.com/downloads/quake-live/

n/m i r dumb

For the timing itself I rearly use +25 or +35, in general I allways time +2 and +3 to the first decimal of two represented seconds.
So if the time is 2:37 or 5:49 i just time
for armors 2:(3+2)7, and 5:(4+2)9.
or for mega 2:(3+3)7 and 5:(4+3)9.
In this case there is allways a window of 5 seconds to get from one place to another and do everything else you written down allready :))

Cheers.

Interesting. Does it work well for you?

For me it works perfectly.
I tried and analog clock and going +25 and +35 but in the end i figured I have to do something when i want to time some item in a second with just glimpse of an eye on the clock and +2, +3 seemed to work perfectly in intense situtations when you have no time to calculate much.
So I just got used to it like that.

nice article, too bad it's 10+ years late :)

You mean for you (as you did learn already) or for quake (which you judge about to die)?

good work, nice reading, thanks meme

Found this one on derquaker.com:
http://deadmen.us/quake-timers.html

Changed webhost and lost the PDF. I'll re-up the guide here http://g4menation.com/downloads once I reach home.

Finally I've mastered to do some timing. Mainly the mega in duels.

I just time by 5 sec precision. So if I pick mega at 37, my mind goes 35 - knowing immediately next is 10 - then I remember the offset of 2, so 12.

Only problem I currently have is to remember timing for multiple items. Since I play TDM I often have to remember LG, red, mega and quad..

My experience with TDM-weapons is that it's the easiest to just only remember the offset from default spawntimes (defaults being 0 and 30). So when I took it at 47, the offset at that moment is 17, so it will always be at least 17 after 0 or 30, until the offset becomes 30 or more, then it's reset.