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New Hitboxes + latest patch whine! (59 comments)

( Journal: ESR)

Posted by skillah @ 07:28 CDT, 17 March 2011 - iMsg

Hey

I think the new Hitboxes, wich are 10% bigger, are shit! What the hell?! Now it's more easier to hit the enemy without skill and everything.

For example, the MH floor on ZTN is really no fun anymore if your enemy got a good rox. You just can't do anything just by this bigger hitboxes...
You don't need to hit him like before this patch, just shoot in his direction and you hit!

This isn't easier for noobs!

Also why the hell their giving us a old Q3 map as Premium Map?! Toxicity is just known as Puka from Q3 and it wasn't a lovely map in Q3. I dont wanna pay for old crap maps! I want a whole NEW Map pool for QL!

QL is just bad now :(

Your Opinion?

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<< Comment #1 @ 07:42 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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REDUCE ROCKET SPLASH SIZE

<< Comment #2 @ 07:44 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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cityy

Hitcylinders.

<< Comment #5 @ 08:30 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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Anonymous (90.61.149.188)

REDUCE ROCKET SPLASH RADIUS

<< Comment #3 @ 08:06 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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This is getting ridiculous.

<< Comment #17 @ 17:28 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #3

you mean the glasses? I agree

<< Comment #20 @ 18:09 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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madbringer - Reply to #17

I won't acknowledge fashion suicide.

<< Comment #31 @ 06:29 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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zealot - Reply to #17

+mullet ://

<< Comment #4 @ 08:06 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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Quit whining and adapt. Hitboxes in Q3 used to be bigger and more ridiculous than that.

<< Comment #6 @ 08:37 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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trippy

i enjoyed toxicity in cpm

<< Comment #7 @ 09:06 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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Spyyder

Increased hitbox size only affects direct hit rockets. Rocket splash damage, going back to even Quake 1 in 1996, calculate rocket splash based off of distance to the origin point. If we were to change this now, you would very dramatically alter the feel of rockets and the game itself.

by sponge on ql forums.

Did everyone just forget about the old q3 hitboxes or something?

<< Comment #14 @ 13:35 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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injx - Reply to #7

That quote is not entirely true.

The *direction* of the knockback due to splash damage is indeed computed using the the origin of the player and the position of the rocket impact.

However the *amount* of splash damage applied (and therefore the strength of knockback) is computed using the distance from the rocket impact to the *edge* of the hitbox.

Refer to G_RadiusDamage in g_combat.c.

<< Comment #44 @ 20:54 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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ralph - Reply to #14

id "employee" confused with what he's talking about?

Preposterous!

<< Comment #49 @ 01:57 CDT, 19 March 2011 >>

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faerie_ - Reply to #44

made me giggle , [+]ed

<< Comment #53 @ 10:15 CDT, 19 March 2011 >>

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26671 - Reply to #44

Dude, it's ESR. Everyone here knows everything, except for the people who really do know a lot. Those educated people know nothing, after all!

<< Comment #55 @ 10:55 CDT, 19 March 2011 >>

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13m3 - Reply to #44

it's not because he works there that he can't say something wrong, but you're most probably right

Edited by GzUz at 11:12 CDT, 19 March 2011

<< Comment #8 @ 09:31 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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koekie

QW splash size please!

<< Comment #59 @ 15:57 CDT, 19 March 2011 >>

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ia - Reply to #8

QW rockets are the truth!

Edited by ia at 16:47 CDT, 19 March 2011

<< Comment #9 @ 09:45 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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p4r4

Reduce rocket splash radius FTW. RL should be a powerful, but hard to master weapon, not a spam tool.

<< Comment #10 @ 11:04 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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wait some time

<< Comment #51 @ 06:51 CDT, 19 March 2011 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #10

this

<< Comment #11 @ 11:29 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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26671

And to think that some newbtards I was playing with actually wanted faster rockets as well, and everyone ended up agreeing. You guys do realize that these changes occur because of your feedback, right?

Better yet, why isn't the entire game more resemblant of CPMA VQ3 settings? That game was extremely balanced for just about every gametype, and yet, instead, we go around experimenting with shit that was never broken in the first place (and by first place, I mean CPMA VQ3 and OSP) because newbs can't handle players with genuine skills.

Edited by advent� at 11:29 CDT, 17 March 2011

<< Comment #12 @ 11:38 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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Drz skilled

<< Comment #15 @ 16:16 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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skillah - Reply to #12

Means what?

If you can't discuss with us, dont write here.

<< Comment #18 @ 17:59 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #15

Who's "us" and what is there to discuss?

<< Comment #19 @ 18:00 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #15

also, Drz skilled

<< Comment #21 @ 18:38 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #19

skulled

<< Comment #13 @ 12:14 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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twister

There was no change to the rocket splash damage, the splashdamage isn't influenced by hitboxes. all you're experiancing is placebo.

tl;dr: you're an idiot.

<< Comment #24 @ 20:17 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #13

injx seems to have a different opinion (at least about the hitbox influence)

However the *amount* of splash damage applied (and therefore the strength of knockback) is computed using the distance from the rocket impact to the *edge* of the hitbox.

Edited by Nukm at 20:17 CDT, 17 March 2011

<< Comment #35 @ 10:59 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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twister - Reply to #24

ok, to be precise the splash damage technically is influenced by the hitboxes but the change as small as it was should not have made a notable difference (if any at all).

<< Comment #26 @ 02:55 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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retire - Reply to #13

dunno why u got plussed so much, you actually didnt think of anything. with bigger hitboxes of course its easier to hit rockets.. and rockets were already OP due to the splash radius, which is just emphasised a little more now. so hopefully everyone will see what ive been saying since beta that rocket splash radius is too big in QL.

<< Comment #28 @ 03:42 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #26

it was because the tsunami wave u know

<< Comment #34 @ 09:52 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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retire - Reply to #28

i think unlagged code messed up and sent all rocket splash to japan :/

<< Comment #29 @ 04:08 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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noctis - Reply to #26

"dunno why u got plussed so much"

for the last part

<< Comment #16 @ 16:52 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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Its great update, stop whining.

<< Comment #22 @ 18:40 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #16

u updating the whine, or whining the update?

<< Comment #23 @ 18:40 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #22

cause whining the whine is up to date not an update

<< Comment #25 @ 22:25 CDT, 17 March 2011 >>

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boenk

props to id software

with every update they make on ql a shitload of people noone knows come up and whine about the changes :>

<< Comment #30 @ 04:47 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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sonic - Reply to #25

peter noone?

<< Comment #33 @ 09:16 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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boenk - Reply to #30

maybe, gotta ask him first ;)

<< Comment #27 @ 03:15 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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gnarf

not "Journal: ESR" pls fix

<< Comment #36 @ 11:36 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #27

its part of the fail

<< Comment #32 @ 07:36 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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limity

let's go back to cpm

<< Comment #37 @ 11:50 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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f0cus

Longer reload time on Rockets should be enough, imo. That trumps altering splash damage and slowing them as a way to re-balance the weapons.

<< Comment #38 @ 12:28 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #37

you magnificent bastard, good idea

<< Comment #39 @ 14:58 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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faerie_ - Reply to #37

That would be the most whine inducing idea ever.

But I kinda like it too.

<< Comment #40 @ 18:13 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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ffx - Reply to #37

Yeah hf missing the first rocket and getting lg raped :D

<< Comment #41 @ 19:49 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #40

good. rockets aren't supposed to trump LG in close range anyway. They're for spamming and prediction shots when you don't want to leave yourself susceptible to hitscan. If you are next to each other sg and lg should be your first pick, with RL as it is now, it's the ideal weapon in almost any situation.

<< Comment #42 @ 20:47 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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eh - Reply to #41

They're for spamming and prediction shots when you don't want to leave yourself susceptible to hitscan.

Why would you want this? With a rl like that you could only go offensive with a lg in your hand. If you only got a rl all you can do is back away and spam a lot. Less options for aggressive play, more +bw spam.. sounds like an excellent idea.
Everyone should wait for DH to find out if we actually need huge changes like yours.

<< Comment #48 @ 22:30 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #42

if you're waiting in a doorway right now and there's rocket spam you are simply locked down. you're not going anywhere if you're playing someone that knows how to use rockets. at least with an increased reload time if you're hauling ass and time it right you can get through a doorway. Your assumption that it would be even MORE +back is because due to how it's been so far, you can't even imagine a scenario that rockets wouldn't be the best option.

<< Comment #50 @ 06:12 CDT, 19 March 2011 >>

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eh - Reply to #48

To avoid being lg-raped good players would play very defensively. Railcamp, rocket spam, running away; thats what to do against a weapon that dominates mid and even close range battles (in your scenario).

<< Comment #52 @ 10:08 CDT, 19 March 2011 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #50

I'm not trying to turn it into the end of q3 cpma style LG dominance, but right now if you only have an RL you're just fine on pretty much any map. Moreso than in QW at this point.

<< Comment #56 @ 12:42 CDT, 19 March 2011 >>

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ffx - Reply to #52

It depends because know you can do sick dmg with lg even in close range vs rockets. Played some overly aggressive matches since the update (vs nukm :P) and if your opponent doesn't have a big stack u just fucking melt him with 40lg if his initial rocket was bad.
I don't know whether this is possible on a pro level but right know the update feels somehow good to me though I was against the updated hitboxes. We'll have to see how pros cope with it and whether we see pushier games. I expect stermy and k1llsen to do fine with theirspot on lg :D

<< Comment #57 @ 13:24 CDT, 19 March 2011 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #56

yeah, bear in mind, when I first thought up this rocket nerfing fix it was before this latest update with the increased hitbox size, so that does skew things a good bit.

<< Comment #45 @ 20:56 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #41

rockets are~~n't~~ supposed to trump LG in close range anyway.

Edited by Nukm at 20:57 CDT, 18 March 2011

<< Comment #47 @ 21:02 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #41

jesus, thats not quake bro, maybe cpma but not quake that i grew up and came 2 love, without rockets, the game becomes shit boring for me

and your statement that lg should be better close range vs rl, made me sad

<< Comment #43 @ 20:51 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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ralph

[spoiler]QuakeLive's always has been bad.[/spoiler.

<< Comment #46 @ 21:00 CDT, 18 March 2011 >>

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r1ddler

UPDATE made ql better then it was before

pls stfu

<< Comment #54 @ 10:38 CDT, 19 March 2011 >>

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I don't think the is anything wrong with the splash radius or rl speed as it is.

I would just decrease the rl knock back strength; after a few games of CA with them, I've found that, when on the RA platform of dm6, with a good rl hit one can knock an enemy from the RA platform right up onto the bridge rather regularly :S

I would just decrease the rl knockback slightly, and then it would be perfect imo :)

<< Comment #58 @ 13:31 CDT, 19 March 2011 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #54

that does happen alot. Every time it does I'm like "phew! I escaped, thanks bro!". mind you this is usually FFA for me not CA so they can't just RJ themselves up and chase me unless they're good at it/stacked for it.

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