Yes he's mentioned QuakeLIVE numerous times now, however he seems to be very ambiguous about his intentions regarding it.

speaking about not being dead, was positively surprised by the number of players

I checked the database manually just now and found we had 57K people who played a match on either of the holiday maps. Over the holiday season, we had 78k players on the website.

http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php...ieve-it-!-(number-of-Quake-Live-players)&p=85914&viewfull=1#post85914

Wow, that's alot!
Really hope those numbers are correct, cause Quake is such an amazing game to watch AND play :)

lol you're so gullible. just open up the games menu and see how many people are playing games during diff times of the day. You'll see its' vastly different from the rosy picture sponge would have his sponsors believe.

They'll never admit the real population numbers, but again, you just have to remember back to all the awards they've hidden over the past year, which painted a very different picture. It has gone down considerably since quakecon. Ql's peak was last summer (prior to the subscription announcement). We're now simply in a slow decline.

holiday maps.

There is definitely a lot of people playing in SA. It's larger than it was a few years ago!

I'm watching the mlg stream right now and to be honest it is really crap. The lq stream quality is just utter crap. Most of the time the stream isn't even running and mlg side is down too. But the best thing of all are these ridiculous annoying commercials which blend in though there is an interview running.

Day9 talks about something "blabla | COMMERCIAL | => stream down"

I would like to see new tournaments for ql but I just can't stand this american show crap and I won't watch it if it is just another cgs offset.

ESL did a great iem event this year and not adding ql would be a huge loss for our community and probably our death too because I don't see any other big tournament which offers us the same big audience. Dreamhack alone won't help and less players will actually practice for the tournaments => boring games, same winner => dead ...

But americans can enjoy 3 hours of commercial events like the superbowl so I won't be surprised to see it failing. (not to mention baseball and nascar LQL)

The only thing which is working right now are the fucking dumb ads. GAY

This is the price for keeping e-sports alive. I doubt it will ever be what it was back in 2000-2006. Yes, it does suck, but that's literally how every sport is broadcasted on television. I'm sure many people here aren't liking the way it is now either, but things change, and we need to adapt.

While ESL dropping QL would be huge, the outlook is good. ID is talking with MLG, and I don't know what I can say (even though I know little of it), but QL in WCG is more of a possibility than we think.

We just need to stay positive and hope for things to work out :)

No it isn't. Have you seen the iem finals? It was possible to see almost every game. You could pick different languages, you as a viewer could still watch the games on the side streams while locally the tech talks and ruffles were running. No commercials DURING the games, INTERRUPTING interviews and casters. Esl had like 100k people simultaneously watching the stream at peak times and a few thousand visitors on site. And trust me razer, deutsche post and intel were happy about this event ;). So yeah ESL did a much better job.

Btw. stream is still not working for like 3+hours now -.-
Imagine how those guys must feel who paid 10$ for octoshit hd and still get those annoying ads haha.

But would you be surprised if ESL closed shop in a year or two? This is how a lot of leagues end up. They give us amazing content with barely any commercials, or even none, and they close down.

Not saying ESLs model is poor, I'm just saying in terms of stability, I'm putting my money on MLG.

Yeah right esl the only international tournament which didn't go broke in the western hemisphere (korea excluded) during the financial crysis will close in a year :D. Eswc, wsvg, cgs, cpl mostly all ran by americans went either broke or closed. WCG lost his place on the top long time ago.
Without esl esports wouldn't be were it is right now and as much as I would like to hate on the esl I have to give the guys some credit because they didn't go balls out and are right know in 1.6 and ql the number one league. They created a brand which is on a par with the old eswc and cpl.
Sure put your money on mlg but I promise you that the american model doesn't work here in europe and it never will.
I wouldn't worry about esl as they got some big sponsors and always come up with new ones when others went.

What I have seen today was a complete embarrassment and the sponsors won't be happy about it. I mean how can they fuck up the stream after they have seen esl's and tsl's numbers? I don't get it.

I hope they can prove me wrong and we will see a second brand but so far when I heaer mlg I think about halo, wow and a failing sc2 stream and I always think about cgs (hi@ payed viewers cheering for players)

as long as Intel keeps sponsoring IEM/ESL all's fine

it's 0 money for them and they got good visibility @ cebit and the other tech fairs


only thing I'm worrying is the SC2 hype and QL being a bit in the shadows now

my FB thing
everyone add me (or whatever its called there) and post IEM Facebook here you want ql in IEM next year

Didn't WCG announce all their games and quake wasn't included?

Yes, but that doesn't count QL out for next year.

You're right. What will count it out for next year, though, is that it'll be dead by then.

100 bucks that it won't be dead next year. Wanna bet?

Is that really your only defense? lol @ logical fallacies

Haha nah I just saw the opportunity to make easy money. Wasn't ment as a defence but I guess this is your only way to pussy out my offer ;).

Why would I make a $100 bet with some stranger when it's a year long and there's no trustworthy escrow to call on for it anyways? You're retarded.

PUSSY

SMART

fyp. Enjoy your game that'll be dead next year.

You never proved why quake live WOULD be dead anyways.

it'll be dead cause he says so...

we just have to deal with that :(

:D

I've actually read a post here on esr from syncerror saying that they're working to get quake into wcg

I've actually read a post here on esr from syncerror saying that they're working...

Stoped reading here.

Yeah, I don't want that either.

Honestly, concerning the size and scope of the scene, I'd say everything was pretty ok now. You can always get a game, there are plenty of duelers, active pickup channels and full ca servers.
Sure, an additional tournament would be nice, perhaps a bit more prize money too (so that the very best will surely take part), but it's hardly bad.

This niche sport is how I'd like quake to continue living. Not to have it turn into another tv-friendly alltimes politically correct massive crap entertainment.

He clearly forgot to add the word "yet" to the end of the second sentence in his tweet.

Because it's unnecessary.

Looks like Vedic bait.

it's not dead but eswc hasn't still picked it up for the incoming season
it's either not in wcg and mlg(yet?)
and ESL is said to drop it

it's meh.

By this time next year, we will all look back at these threads and laugh.



















...because we'll be playing Quake 3.

I'm already laughing because there's no way in hell that's happening.

Quake Live might live or die, who knows, but Q3 ain't coming back.

ye I wonder what will take its place
I seriously doubt quake5 is going to be released anytime in the next 2 years, if they even started thinking about that

id said no Q5 if QL fails.

I wonder if they'll consider it a fail when they realize (if they haven't already) they fucked it up.

Unfortunately we don't know what "fails" is to ID :(

theres Q43A, Q5 would just have megatextures and some new textures you would all complain about

Q43A now has strafe jumps with a patch in the Q43A #19 release thread

No.

yes, it will take id 15 years for all the assholes to do some work and catch up with the Q43A sdk code and all the new features, and all glitch and bug free

Stop living in your small dream-world and realize it: YOUR MOD FAILED HARD AND NOONE WANTS TO PLAY IT CUZ IT IS SHIT!

Have a nice day

I actually think that people either gave up months ago cause it kept crashing and/or people can't be arsed.
I wouldn't call it shit without actually trying it online.

my mod never failed, its never had a life, and still active, and mass recoding and fixing is always being done.

q4 is dead, no1 bothers with it, some of you tried militia back in the day which was beta MP,

2 years militia has had the Q43A name, the code is all changed and a shit load of new features has been added, and 1000+ more original game bugs and glitches and random game crashes has been fixes, ontop of a few todo with the new features

i dont have to live in a dream world, i like taking the piss out of you all, for not trying it or whatever, and just saying q4 is shit yadda yadda yadaa

pussy id didnt ban it or filter it on q4master it would be better too, yall can have 128 slot random config mad frag fest pub servers, and a few for duel

hihi!

Too many good games coming out in the next year, with Brink, Rage, SWTOR, and Diablo 3. Unless QL adds requested features and game modes soon, (by subscription renew period), this game doesn't stand a chance in 2012.

You really just grouped that shitty-looking Rage game in with Diablo 3 and The Old Republic, didn't you?

and didn't even mention Portal 2. What a faggot.

And Doom 4

I don't believe it's been announced for this year.

Unless QL adds requested features

which are:
- a bloody full LAN support
- way more new locations
- ql.exe
(- gtv)


I'd say to remove stats too but I don't wanna get killed, but I think it's one of the main problem ql has, ppl just farms like in WOW

BUT WOW IS GREAT SUCCESS AND HIGH COMPETITIVE GAME ALL SKILL BIG BRAIN

Won't matter, those are fad games and they won't be around for long. Everyone shitty tournament and league picks up those games because they're popular, then drops then six months later.

Q3 lasted a while, QL should too.

and quake is a dying soon to be dead game.

well quakelive is, we can't actually make predictions on a future quake game
ppl just look for nice graphics nowadays that's prolly why ql has been underrated from kids

Yeah that is why lol is so successful :/

isn't LoL like the shiniest dota clone around?

It's for free whereas you have to pay to play either dota or hon.
Shiny is a bad arguement because you could easily enable bloom and have the same effect in quake :x.

Add WoW.

Warcraft 3 is like 10€ + if you don't buy stuff in LoL you have to play for ages to get somewhere. So, I don't think there's much of a point.

I meant shiny as in quality of graphics, doesn't LoL look like 10 times better than Warcraft 3? dunno about HoN

But my understanding of the situation is that LoL appeals more to a casual crowd and HoN/DotA appeals more to a hardcore crowd. Probably the same as with CS 1.6 and CS:S where CS:S seems to be the far more popular game amongst casual gamers.

I know where you are coming from but I think it is a bit more than only the casual factor. Imo advertising and promotion play a big role in a more or less successful multyplayer game.

LoL for example gets pushed by the publisher a lot, same with sc2 and so on. I don't see anything from ID.
Make a decent game, create a hype and then bring out one game a year because it will sell anyway. CoD series ...

A game should be accessible but it doesn't need to be easy to have success. Take sc2 as prove.

But it sure smells like it

Sorry, that was me.

Seriously guys, stop pulling shit out of your asses! When I can get a fucking game whenever I want and a niche like competitive gaming is still pulling in 10k viewers for a final then it means that the game is far from dead.
Instead of bitching and moaning about how your game is dying maybe you should just work with what you have and show tournament organizers that it's still worth it to pick up the game you supposedly love.
And if anything the game is dying because of its stupid as fuck community. For example I come from Q4, never played freezetag there, it was released for QL so I decided to give it a try. I just connected to a server since there was no such thing as a tutorial level, or at least it wasn't in plain sight. Got onto the server, didn't know how to thaw my teammates so I tried a couple things like shooting at then, standing next to them (obviously not long enough) and people immediately started calling me a fucking idiot. Well, I guess I was an idiot but hey, now you have the freezetag servers all to yourselves.

*hugs*

yeah, the arrogance of people, especially in knowledge, also in real life ... if you don't know some thing they easily get mad at you ...
they have the right to get mad at you if they told you something for the third time and you still didn't get it done ... but not the very first time you committed a fault ... and often it's just knowledge, you just have to know it, that's all, don't need to make such a big fuzz out of it ... but I guess people who never reached something in their life want to have some feeling of power ...

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What's also very cool is that if id had to make a new quake (or multiplayer game) they can use the existing quakelive infrastructure. It IS really easy to find a game, I believe if this was launched with a big name title it would be a huge success.

Unfortunately, no game developer would make a title solely for the PC these days (Well maybe valve) which means the game will have that stupid slow movement zoom in shooting crap and lots of walls to high behind.

they can use the existing quakelive infrastructure

if it is not the reason of ql's death

meh, the only advantage of quakelive infrastructure being in a browser as opposed to a battlenet style approach is that it's easier to alt+tab out if you're not ingame IMO, also it makes a lot of stuff harder to develop, to implement and loading times are longer aswell.

That's also a good point, I don't particularly like battlenet though, although I haven't used it that much yet.

Didn't use it much either but what I meant was, throw everything quakelive is in a dedicated client. it would probably run much smoother, and would be a lot easier to develop.
Although I think QLs concept has some merit and quite some potential, I think a dedicated client would make for a better experience.

just fyi

sk8erboi = incubus
julien = poros1ty

People don't understand how to build up a game. They just make the game, release it, and that's everything. They're too stuck in the old-way of making games, where that's all there was. With multiplayer/internet gaming, there's more room for extended play. Old-school developers though, like old-dogs unable to learn new tricks, just don't do anything relevant in that area.

quake wars, a smilar project tried to grow big and flopped, maybe that's why id is cautious to put more resources into quake live.

quake live isn't dead, but it's diagnosed with terminal cancer.
It's only a matter of time IMO.

fight the cancer

http://on.fb.me/epoxr7

QL with the looks from Q4 is $$$

there was an update today so its' alive again amirite?

inb4 vedic: "noooooooooooooo"