Awesome!
Major plz!

just putting this on top

209.169.211.56:27960 EDAWN QL.CFG USA (4 slot, duel)

hunkmegs 256/ sv_fps 40

IM or /q in irc if it feels a bit sluggish or if anything needs tweaking

you are like a sexy version of p0rt

how about a news item? will get easily missed by many in the forums.

this

would be amazing if we could use our quakelive cfg <3

Don't be lazy-ass.
Here's some client side vars you can check out:
set cg_enemyModel "keel/pm"
set cg_enemyColors "22222"
set cg_teamModel "sarge/pm"
set cg_teamColors "11111"

set cg_altLightning "0"
set cg_autoAction "3"
set cg_bobbing "0"
set cg_corpse "1"
set cg_country "FI"
set cg_crosshairHitColors "LECA"
set cg_crosshairHitTime "500"
set cg_crosshairPulse "0"
set cg_damageEffect "0"
set cg_draw3dIcons "0"
set cg_drawChat "5"
set cg_drawChatTime "5"
set cg_drawChatID "1"
set cg_drawMouse "0"
set cg_gunOffset "2,0,0"
set cg_gunAnimations "6"
set cg_hiResIcons "1"
set cg_hitSound "6"
set cg_itemFX "2"
set cg_lightningImpact "1"
set cg_muzzleFlash "0"
set cg_noAmmoChange "1"
set cg_noMip "511"
set cg_noSnow "1"
set cg_oldGrenade "1"
set cg_oldPlasma "1"
set cg_smokepuff "0"
set cg_waterEffects "0"

Are these all the "new" cvars implemented?

Because I'm then going to create a new cfg of mine for this mod based on my OSP one.

Yes they are. You can find more about them in quake3\edawn\docs\cvars.txt

Also how can I change it back to my OSP hud? ;(

<3 great job man

Working on the osp ruleset which is not perfect yet.

Little teaser of what you can do with rulesets:

...

Respawn {
if ( mapname == "pro-q3tourney4" || mapname == "pro-q3tourney7" ) {
item_health_mega 120;
} else {
item_health_mega: 35;
}
item_quad: 120;
item_enviro: 120;
..

and so on.

lets stop playing ql and start playing this

Spawn more overlordsedawn servers! :)

Hmm... I've not fast net but how many slots do you think a 60kb/s upload could hold on a server? 5-6?

If I could hold 8 and it not totally rape my connection, I'd host a (USA) home server 24/7, as I have no bandwidth cap (and a static IP :D)

EDAWN QL.CFG
69.160.84.80:1337
United States, Iowa

FastDL enabled, sv_fps 40, sv_pure enabled, maxplayers 12, running duel (g_gametype voteable).
Limitations: cl_maxPackets at least 63, rate at least 10000, snaps at least 50.
Extra maps: http://kyto.oldstar.fi/ed/baseq3/

Any questions or anything else contact me at irc (Kyto@QuakeNet).

I get 51ms and I live like 400 miles away. :(

tracert shows I go from minneapolis to denver to salt lake city then back to iowa, lolz.

game feels 10x better than ql, tho

e: i just played a ffa on 160 ping.... honestly its better than ql at 60

I have no idea why it would lag that much. It's running on my friend's vhost. Maybe someone else should try hosting a US server. :/

maybe sv_fps 50 is a little too optimistic (ql has 40 iirc and we all saw what that did to HPB)

I lowered it to 40 sv_fps, please tell if it has been improved.

I get an invalid pk3's referenced error

cl_allowdownload 1

is that a homeserver? once more than 2 people were on it, it went to lag hell.

100 ping when I should be 30's =\

100 ping isn't bad imo

Can you use the ql ruleset on a single player match against a bot? Have been trying to call vote g_gametype but it sets back to 0 ?

Other than that I've played a bit on the server versus Mr Gauntlet, and I think it's really good.

type \set g_ruleset "ql" before starting game - and you will be able to play whole tourney with that ruleset

good job but miss the clipping ledges thing http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2064089

this feels so much smoother... please ql community, TRY THIS SHIT

excellent!

things i like:
* QL.cfg ruleset!!!
* hi-resolution simpleitems icon
* cg_autorecordFormat
* the scoreboard
* cg_country icon
* no need to have a mappack to play :P sorry cpmA. i will now delete all map_cpm*.pk3 in my baseq3 folder. except cpm1a ofc :)

questions, cyrax:

* is the "Image" element in hud really not implemented yet?
* is there no way to disable map ambient sounds? no s_ambient?
* in the docs under cg_hitSound
0 - disabled
1-4 - play a specific tone
5 - play different tones based on damage (lower tone = lower damage)
6 - play different tones based on damage (lower tone = higher damage)

is it me, or 5-6 in the description is reversed? i think 5 is quakelive cg_hitBeep "2" ?

awesome MOD!

s_ambient exists but it's a ruleset option at the moment (serverside). This will be fixed.

thanks! didn't know that. added "Ambient Sounds: off;" in my ql.cfg ruleset and it worked.

Trying right now. Is the point of this to make a QL-like Q3 mod?

The story behind this mod is much more silly and complex than you could ever imagine. :D

we need something interesting to read on esr right now, tell us!

Tell the full story. Leave no detail behind.

oh no, the level of retardation involved around E- and this saga are way below ESR.

e- :
skullhead
falat1ty
poles

esreality:
brandan
Jamerio
advent(tm)
p0rt

Jury's out

go on

fat guy and romanobelgian dud raged coz german dud died in river and left modery in state of limbo people get aggravated demand change but no change coz everyone is lazy cunt except fat croatian guy and romanobelgian dud so they have idea to make shit with ukrainin dud then german dud resurrect like jesus said oh fuck they be stealing my mindless drone zombies then mexican guy saw nude spiderman cosplayer and banned pole coz mule then russian dud banned then canadian pedo chick got offended then swedish dud started getting moralistic but not before croatian not fat dud but they see light but not other duds and people ban then forum polarized many people raged other forum died in ass german dud hire argentinian dud who also died in river but not before fat croatian guy ukrainian dud moves on romanobelgian moves on many people on e- dont move on coz butthurt pole russian another pole yet another pole many poles english dud frenchenglish dud some other cunts move on the end.

found ya p0rt.

WHY DOES NOBODY BELIEVE ME? THEY SAID THE SAME THING WHEN THEY CHARGED ME FOR KILLING THOSE HOOKERS. I'M INNOCENT FOR FUCKS SAKE, READ THE CHANGELOG!

Y'all just buncha noobs sitting here too pussy to try a real mod, stuck in your Q4MAX with little ribbons in your pigtails.

While new Q43A pleases you in the following ways:

fixes g_simpleitems making pickups invisible
fixes all CTF hud status icons and notice messages
fixes team scores not showing on ingame scoreboard
fixes console kill [clientnum] command
fixes damage effects playing in team games when si_teamdamage is 0

Look: below

YOU PLUS SKULLHEAD NAO

Can never auth through punkbuster in q3 servers, otherwise I'd totally play.

This is seriously great, has much better feel than ql.

gotta love how everyone is saying how much it feels better than ql when even baseq3 feels smoother than ql.

I just woke up gonna try it later but it sounds EPIC

OSP ruleset for the adventurous:
http://edawn-mod.org/forum/download/file.php?id=11

Good stuff, Duster... wish it had the QL infrastructure and playerbase behind it. :(

please not the "QL infrastructure".

Not the website thing, ofc. Rather, the communal goodwill and interest, largely populated irc chans, tourneys, etc etc.

At least it doesnt have e+ infrastructure and playerbase behind it. :j

needed that in 2006 :/

no because we had q4 back then!!

2006 was when cpl picked up q3 with cpma

damn looks awesome. I will give it a try later. Die QL die!

I still love QL but edawn feels so much better :(

EDAWN QL.CFG GERMANY
85.31.186.161:1337

Duel + timelimit 15 (voteable)
Quake Live settings
8 Slots
sv_ fps 40
Fast downloads

Put cl_maxPackets on 125 for best performance.

Credits to Kyto for providing config + download server.

This is a test server, if you find anything not working please give me feedback.

gives me invalid pk3 error, i can connect fine to the other edawn machines. If its the pk3, make sure you have the latest and greatest.

edit: Got it working.

Thx for setting up a machine!

Man this is nice...really nice.

Great work but i must say its quite funny how before QL there was cq3 in cpma, which im sure the cpma devs would have continued to develop and would probably have ended up similar to something like quakelive, yet no-one really wanted to use it.
Now weve got QL (which people still moaning about changes constantly) and people want QL but in a q3 client.

lolz

but the fps bug is still in this one so it automatically feels tons better than cpma :P

ye I think they're called "fucking idiots"

Fix the fucking physics though ( to piss people off )

lol

target for 1.0 was to fix as many known bugs in the modcode itself as possible, those has been achieved. now development can go on ;)

o FUCK, SKULLHEAD IS ON MY ESR

Hate to sound like a demanding ass but can anyone get a US server running with this? I want to test it but there's only one server and the routing is messed up there.

^ :(

Granted, if anyone had some instructions I could host a 3-4 slot serv for duel no problem.

Don't got instructions but here's some files to help you out:
http://kyto.oldstar.fi/edawn/qlsrv.zip

Figure the rest by yourself or alternatively come ask someone at irc.

hit up #edawn i might be able to help

I'll tinker with a server config for this. Looks interesting...

sayteam: brut-b2b: yes/affirmative/bitchin'...:) 0
sayteam: brut-b2b: yes/affirmative/bitchin'...:) 0
Item: 0 item_armor_body
sayteam: brut-b2b: no/negative/FUCK OFF 0

indeed it seems like cpm has invaded my server

approved $$$

US Server: 209.169.211.56:27960

It's in Minnesota or something

Loved it. Just wished that the menu's weren't as tacky. :( Always hated Q3A's menus.

Major, nao!

woohoo!

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_bhXnvv72Jr0/TcAk_J0OrjI...ot0001.jpg

Hoorray for illegal stuff! c:

mind sharing your hud?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23359045/Quake/q3/hud-edawn.cfg

thank you

Any chance at reuping that.

http://www.4shared.com/file/cymCnO05/hud-edawn.html

Its included in 1.0.1 zip archive

Hey, How did you load QL maps?

remember QU4KEZER0?

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1931130

new maps (hektik, aero, etc) were not included but i did some messing around with it.

indeed sweet hud!

I tried it, def prefer it over QLive. What garbage QL is :|

150 ping in this feels like 100 in quakelive. Now we just need some US servers. Very nice though!

extremely cool thing. perhaps that could be a chance for an revival of q3 under one mod. very good idea with the rulesets.

also very well formated docs

could anyone explain to a q3 newb how nomip works?

Some effects such as LG and Rocket explosions aren't covered by the r_picmip command, so they retain their quality and detail at low picmips such as 16. Setting nomip to 1024 (I think?) will mean that all effects such as the LG beam will now be affected by picmip.

is it possible to make rockets picmipped but have pretty much everything else normal (plasma, items on maps, accel pads, possibly lg etc [about rail and mg/sg bullets i don't care])?

it's possible, you have to search the rocket value and add that as a value to nomip

if you want the lg and the rocket, search the lg value and add the rocket value to that, and use that value for nomip.

I use it at 35, means plasma/lg/rail is not effected by picmip.

thanks, googled a bit and got what i wanted

utrono arena ruleset plz

This feels sublime compared to QL, great work!

Great mod, everyone switch to this please :|

Just had a quick round on a FFA server after not having played Q3/QL for a year or so. Mod seems nice! Keep it coming!

Am I the only one who is having problems installing this mod? I get "Unexpected end of archive" errors when opening and trying to unzip it says "Archive is in unknown format or damaged". Could someone assist me here, please?

Files get updated every once in a while, redownload it and try again.

Uploaded new archive, downloaded then tested integrity - everything looks like correct, report if error is still occurs

Ah what the hell is this, looks like its some awesome shit regarding comments.

Time to get my Q3 cd back and install it.

On a side note: Quake3e.exe is recomended for this, and it has no PB support.
Considering cheaters could get away with it during the last phase I played Q3 (that must have been 2009, CPMA+vq3), and Quake3e.exe doesn't even have PB support, and assuming most servers (if not all) are going to disregard PB, the question is:

What are you guys going to do to avoid cheaters?

It has been discussed but at the moment the need for an anti-cheat isn't really huge. We have a working anti-autofire method but it's not integrated in the mod yet... and on the other hand might never be implemented. So I guess we're doing the same as ID at the moment. :/

Need to hear what Cyrax has to say. Good that you brought it up though.

Ok I just tried it. So this basically has the cool stuff premiun (and cpma) already had, like detailed scoreboards and all that jizz, with QL ruleset by default (faster rockets, 80dmg rail etc) and the possibility to use other rulesets by just loading whatever cfg and not needing the actual mod (like OSP, CPM etc) so you have all it all nicely packed under the same place. amairite?

This looks like a cool idea, but I kinda dont see it being any kind revival of Q3 (like someone mentioned), because lets be honest, if QL didn't manage to get a fanbase that could compete with CS in it's worst times, being a FREE game, that you just needed to click and play, a game that actually requires the newbie to find some old, underground pk3 files (original Q3), install a patch, and replace the executable with a fixed one (quake3e.exe), plus the fact that one is going to be hard pressed to find a server in his own country.. (and assuming such servers will be configured in a way that you dont need an original cdkey) this maybe will be cool for the same hardcore small scene that has been here for years, but thats all. QL is much more easier to acceed.

In any case this feels smooth as, so I might recommend for next release:
-Intelligent bots that don't suck ass (ie, any chance at implementing Spitterbots on there?)
-Resolutions for 16:9 and 16:10 formats selectable in the menu
-Well, pretty much everything configurable throught the menu (QL style)
-Advertise it everywhere so we can have actual people to play with, lol

Ah, another thing I didn't quite get:

Why you guys recommend using the quake3e.exe executable if the mod comes with its own executable? (edawn.exe)

edawn.exe just is a quake3e.exe with fs_game set to "edawn" bu default, just for an easy deployment

we already implemented some bot enhancements (advanced aiming for projectiles) - raw skill but still better than nothing, also it will be nice to look on sources of other bots (in reply about spiterbot) :)

ui enhancements is in TODO list

we already reserved some stuff against primitive cheats but as long as its not so actual - it will be near the end of TODO list

Nice. You could just ask the creator of spiterbot for the code and implement it inside eDawn. Last version was 0.52, not sure if the best one ever released (should be since it was the last one).
The bot ia was amazing as it, if you could improve it even more then it would be awesome.

Other things that eDawn needs:

Directional gibs, as seen in z-effects.pk3, plus all the other side effects (enhanced particles and so on).
The more eyecandy you can get the better to catch newbies attention (i've seen people in QL forums installing Q3 back just to play FFA with gibs again).

http://www.quakeunity.com/file=514

This is all client side so shouldn't add weight into the netflow (no added lag).

As eyecandy goes, i would like to see bloom implemented, motion blur, and even ragdoll physics for the models. Not sure if this would be doable in the Q3 engine, but how cool would be to see keel rolling down the stairs of ztn after being shafted at the teleport?

As cvars does.. I fail to find a cvar that hides the recording demo message. It gets annoying.

A cvar to switch between true shotgun (circular spots) and random, like in CPMA and QL.

Implemented CPM ruleset with the proper physics :)

Ability to change grenade colours.

Ability to change smoke trails colours (very useful for team games)

Possibly more stuff i would like to see and id add later

Alt+enter is kinda bugged. Sometimes it doesn't go window mode. Would like to get proper alt+tab support tho.

But primarly and most importantly: This needs some sort of advertise campaing. Whats the point of having an awesome mod if there are only 4 servers of it and no one plays :)

bloom/postprocessing stuff is available for ioq3 but still in development/beta

seta ui_recordSPDemo 1 - will disable recording message in all mods I guess

Alt-enter ignores r_fullscreen cvar i.e. it always switches from actual fullscreen to actual windowed mode (at least under windows)

Alt+tab is blocked because it works more or less correctly only with Nvidia drivers

CPM ruleset can be done by usual players like you :)

Other stuff can/will be implemented too

Primary thing will be after 1.1.0 release I guess :)

>bloom/postprocessing stuff is available for ioq3 but still in development/beta

Nice, so it will be implemented within edawn.exe I assume?

>Nice, so it will be implemented within edawn.exe I assume?

When it will be more or less stable/complete

btw, i got ioq3 from the official site:
http://ioquake3.org/get-it/

And I can't find the cvars regarding post processing like r_simpleshaders and others listed here:

http://www.www0.org/w/Optimized_executable;_b...ne_for_urt

Like in_rawmouse

How do I get these to appear?

Edit: Ok I see all those cool features are to use with Urban Terror crappy mod.. any way to get it in a kind of a general exe file that you can use with any mod you want?

The optimized ioUrT build basically has +set fs_Game q3ut4 hardcoded in it (and other settings like com_hunkmegs 256).

You could try to use it with whatever Q3 mod you try to run this binary with: +set fs_game <modname>.
But to use \r_simpleshader 0, you need to have the GLSL directory in your Q3 folder.

But i take offense of you calling UrT a "crappy mod". It's to this day still the most popular Q3 total conversion mod there is. And with a still very active (competitive) community in Europe, North- and South America, and Oceania. With plenty of active leagues going on. Some even has video stream coverages with shoutcasting; provided by TastySpleen and Urban-Zone.
So yeah, i get it. There is no RL, RG, PG, quad in it and/or you don't like "real weapons", or maybe you just hate the hit detection in the game.
But you don't see UrT players bashing Q3/QL or Edawn, calling it a shit game.

PS: The "crappy mod" devs were the one that wrote those graphical improvements for iourt/ioq3.

I just think its pretty shelfish actitude to hardcore fs_game "whatever" into an exe with awesome features, and not release a general executable to use with all mods, so I got kinda mad.

Would be nice to get away from ql without killing vq3

;)

+stuff

How im supossed to find servers for this?
Does ASE still exsist? The built-in browser is even more tedious than QL's.

oh man ASE was the best server program ever :/ too bad yahoo bought it and fucked it up.

So how is one supossed to search for any server running this mod?

http://www.quakeservers.net/quake3/servers/d=edawn/

Listed under excessive overkill :/

i know a guy who made a proper lightweight quake3 server browser. maybe he can cook something up. unfortunately he is currently a hobo, but when he comes online i'll ask.

maxbrowse by anthonyj, maybe?

http://www.q4max.com/news/35/
http://www.esreality.com/download.php?file_id=63900

i was talking about l3astard, the legendary ctf player

ah, never heard of him. maxbrowse is the only proper lightweight q3/q4/et browser i remember.

Im hearing ambient sound (namely, fire sound at ztn) even if I have s_ambient "0". Whats going on?

Ok shoulda readed the FAQ

You guys need to advertise the fuck out of it. Whats the point of having an awesome mod if no one plays it.
Someone make a pack with everything included, maps, pk3's from the original Quake already patched to PR1.32 and so on, so it's just click and play for newbies.
Include a simple server browser aswell.

the easiest way to make fully functional competitve q3 mod is to use warsow engine. it has fully open sorce and can run q3 maps by default (twice faster BTW because of VBO). so all you need to do is to make it to use q3 or ql content. otherwise i dont see reason of all of this. there is already cpma with many competitive features, advanced bots etc.
well i can see reason of this http://forums.quakegate.ru/index.php/topic,429.715.html at least it's something new, but you're just trying to do what already was done many years ago

no

the easiest way to make fully functional competitve q3 mod is to use warsow engine.

Warsow can't handle q3a mods + GPL license on all code (means absolutely cheater-friendly)

you're just trying to do what already was done many years ago

Our idea is to create a high-quality Quake3 Arena mod - never saw that before

"Q3 mod in 2011" may sound like "too late" but not for us because we like this game :)

>Warsow can't handle q3a mods + GPL license on all code (means absolutely cheater-friendly)

you mean you just dont wanna release sorce code of your mod? that's sad actually

>Our idea is to create a high-quality Quake3 Arena mod - never saw that before

So in your opinion cpma is not that type of q3 mod? can you explain why your mod can be better? and why quake3e.exe is better than cnq3.exe?

If you so confident about your programming skills mb it's better to take all assets from PMX and redo coding from scratch instead of arQon?

>you mean you just dont wanna release sorce code of your mod?

for what? some people asked about some subsystems - they get corresponding code/examples/hints, feel free to ask if you want something except whole mod :)

>So in your opinion cpma is not that type of q3 mod?

cpma have bugs that is fixed in edawn, on other side - edawn potentially have bugs that is fixed in cpma

>can you explain why your mod can be better?

its just different

>and why quake3e.exe is better than cnq3.exe?

cnq3 is based on some outdated ioquake3 version, also you can't play other mods with it

>If you so confident about your programming skills mb it's better to take all assets from PMX and redo coding from scratch instead of arQon?

one man can't handle that in reasonable time without affecting real life/other priorities, also counting that I've read about pmx - edawn is something like anti-pmx (by its properties) :)

>for what?

for the same reason ioq3 doing it.

>cnq3 is based on some outdated ioquake3 version

but sometimes ago qrealka claimed cnq3 is the fastest version of q3 and many of 'pointless' and 'useless' things impleneted in ioq3 was ripped out from cnq3. besides that cnq3 fixed many sound related bugs and leaks and has totatlly reworked dynamic lightning (you know even ql has bugs in this field).
So since cnq3 is GPLed can you add everything good from cnq3 into q3e? and maybe VBO from q3bers (im\m sure berserker will be glad to give you source code)

and since you're serious about your mod IMO it will be better to do it for q3TA not for pure q3 and then make tweaks to q3TA weapons and items like i did sometimes ago =)
http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=1729302

and make gameplay with crouchsliding =))

>for the same reason ioq3 doing it

Quake3e sources is available under GPL (as required), mod sources is covered by Q3 SDK license :)

>but sometimes ago qrealka claimed cnq3 is the fastest version of q3

Actually cnq3 renderer is slower than in ioq3 because of >

>totatlly reworked dynamic lightning

I like it too but at the same time: fog is broken, jumppad/splash animations is broken

Also looks like VBO stuff is effective only on Nvidia cards so I don't want to dedicate time for that atm

>it will be better to do it for q3TA not for pure q3

TA was never popular unlike pure q3(+mods)

One thing you might want to consider adding is TTF support and or SVG support. The TTF support in cpma/cnq3 really benefited customizing huds.

SVG support would be nice for resolution independent simple items and things of this nature. Alternatively these icons could be added to a special TTF and colored via rgbgen using q3's shader language.

It is something that I would have liked to do for the cpma simple icons I did a few years back, but wasn't able to convince arQon to implement.


I commend your efforts although I think they are misplaced. At this point in time the sole purpose of any competitive mod team for quake3 should be to develop a standalone game where quake gameplay could be easily distributed and simply installed. Any other effort is futile. It's a shame the PMX dev team fell apart due to inactivity, we had something amazing in the works for everyone.

http://bendarling.net/index.php?page=art

I guess I'll post some of the stuff I was doing at the time I fell away from development also, it was likely never to see the light of day anyways.

http://www.danielbradham.com/PMX/

BTW, you can find all my old levels on my portfolio site. Feel free to include the small arenas with any release you put out. DMM4 style gameplay is always good to have.

Those models are awesome in quality and detail, but to be honest, im feed up of D3-Q4 techy stuff. I like the old era, Q1-Q3 looking shit. Medieval-magic, and somehow futuristic feel. Q3 for me had the perfect mixture between techy and evil-grim stuff.

Q1 had it ( aka an emphasis on the evil looking shit, yet modern ).
Q2 is q2
Q3 is 50%/50% bland as fuck ( there's no design trait that sticks out of it, it's neither evil nor techy, just boring imo )
q4 is a borked q2mk2.

I think vamp1re's armor and shards are perfect as they are. And the other models already have a pretty crazy balance imo. Would you want to make them look a bit more grim, you'd do shit like open up the cover of the gauntlet so you can see the mechanism, keep the rail as is but find a way to get more emphasis on the " medieval thing made of steel " that the cannon seems to be, add cogs, springs and shit on the "realistic" parts and stuff like that.

techy painkiller if it makes any sense.

Make no mistake, those models are not my work. Ben Darling is a talented artist from Australia who was on the PMX dev team.

Well I hope he's still doing that kind of stuff then.

How does it feel to be such a nonamer than you get mistaken for someone actually talented on the internet? :p

I can't tell if you were trying to insult me or not.

I am a 3D artist as well though.

www.danielbradham.com

I was trying to grab something to hold onto, esr style.
If now you really can't figure it out then I'll have to insult you.

What the hell are you on at. Q3 aesthetics are genious, both textures, models and sounds. The art is superb. It really looks like the deadliest cunts on the planet were teleported into some kind of interestelar gladiator game for the amussement of an advanced fucked up race.

1990's cybergoth. Can't stand it.

Better than 2011 Callofduty-gaymarines.

Nothing is worse than cybergoth except maybe the cgi sex scene in the lawnmower man.

-Current's irresponsive input in devices present on all fucking games.
-By-default autoaim enabled because all games are shitty ports of consoles.
-Q4's crouchslide animation comes close too.
-Not forgetting Q4 annoying footsteps aswell.

except agreeing with me, what were you trying to do there?

Mentioning 4 things that are worse than what you call cybergoth (Q3 aesthetics) if Q3 hasn't got the best design ever.

then we should be talking about visual assets, shouldn't we?

genious

interestelar

amussement

nigga plz

I managed to get EDawn working. It looks like a great mod, though I can`t seem to find any active servers (the one that is populated is populated with bots) and all have 100+ ping. (I`m in the US)

Hopefully this mod picks up support, it seems cool. :)

Nice! Really hope this mod caches on, have a feeling it will really grow when QL's pro/prem subscriptions start running out.

Regarding the netcodeing, are commands such timenudge and smoothclients recommended for high ping players or will just disturb the netcodeing like in cpma? As a high ping player, netcoding is whats most important to me. The hitscan netcoding is superb but projectile based weapons must be improved. Check out WSW for an example of superb netcoding.

Also, could people post configs please? My osp one is a mess and I dont want to use my cpma one. Also, if someone can add thin shaft like in cpma it would be awesome. Thanks and good luck.

Check out WSW for an example of superb netcoding.

god no. Besides the " we draw your own projectiles 40-50ms after you actually clicked " shenanigans their projectile lag compensation is on the basis of " the other guy pings 100, have fun dodging his rockets that'll spawn in your face like you're the guy playing on another continent "

ah I like that, but it's prolly cause I'm on the other side of the plate :D

well yeah, as long as the pings are equal/your ping is higher it feels perfectly normal :D
I've had a few 30 vs 80 matches though that were complete bullshit.
But I've always preferred warsow on us servers anyway cause the lag hides everything that makes me rage.

HPW FTW <o/

go put a rj45 cable ( and a few gigawatts ) in one of those oil pipelines, would you ?

Would if I could , look like there's gonna be protests against the ISP's soon if they fuck us over anymore...

but to be honest they deserve it

also they always seem to time their drops in service at times that are just too good to be true like right now it's 50c outside so for protests people are gonna need a lot of motivation.

HPW FTW!

I think their is a command to turn your own projectile nudgeing off and I can see your point of view but for high ping players it's amazing and I'm sure most people would prefer it over QL's shitty netcoding (unless you're constantly pinging 30 or w/e).

But I think ideally projectile lag compensation should be voteable so both HPW and lucky euros could play with whatever settings fit their pings best.

I think that Edawn's potential playerbase depends a lot on it's net codeing since their are many turkish/Israeli/Greek/etc.. quake players who played cpma/vq3 and then quit when the change to QL happened since playing with 70 ping became almost impossible unless you want to +back and rail for 10 minutes. I'm sure that more European and American quakers will switch to Edawn when their pro/prem QL subscriptions run out which should be around Qcon and then it will also be the perfect time to try and advertise it as much as possible.

But for the time being Edawn should be promoted to players who's ping is too high for QL and since the hitscan net coding is already great it just needs projectile lag compensation which could and should be a voteable option. Imagine being able to play against players from other continents, that would be fucking awesome.

If anyone wants to play some duels on european servers Imsg me here or at #edawn. If their is also anyway I could help with the development (can't program =/ ) let me know.

Peace Rauvz, it's nice playing you in wsw with our pings, hope we could do play quake the same way one day.

I still find playing fun regardless of ping as long as my opponent is not unpleasent.

btw are you daxio's friend?

I don't find QL any fun with a ping over 80 and right now im pinging 120+. WSW is good though just don't have time. Ya im daxio's friend =(.

yup remeber you now :D

thinshaft is there

CPMA thinshaft or quakelive style thinshaft?

both

to use the thinshaft beam set cg_altlightning 3

then you can use cg_gunoffset x,y,z with cg_drawgun 2

It's still not nearly as thin in cpma where you have really thin shaft and invisble one too. W/E though it's not a big issue just miss a real cpma thin shaft and not this QL style thin shaft which is just much thicker. You can play just as good with it though if you get used to it and you have real picmip'd shaft aswell. Just saying...

actually it's the exact same model as the cpm one but with drawgun 0 it looks like the QL one but as
I said you can use cg_drawgun 1 with cg_gunanimations 0-3

with cg_gunoffset -10,2,5,-8 and you set


edit : it also looks thicker with higher gamma

If QL does end up dying, we should salvage *all* the QL-exclusive arenas just for this mod. Would be a shame to just let them go to waste.

no Linux build :((((((((((((((((

What did you mean? It is a qvm-mod, also there is 2 linux binaries: quake3e ( x86 full client-server) and quake3e.ded (x86 dedicated server)

oh, seems i need to use eyes better))) thanks)

it runs really smooth here, smoother than quakelive for sure, great job !)))

<3

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Making rulesets is fun, made a CPM one that doesn't use horrible CPM things like tiered armor.

I've made one like that too but with shitload of other features aswell (and some other tweaks like QW-style sg). It's superfun and at the same time it can be extremely competetive - you need to be able to +fwd and brain at the same time.

http://kyto.dez.fi/edawn/rulesets/qrm.cfg - (contains tech sheet so check it out)

Full pack: http://kyto.dez.fi/edawn/rulesets/qrm.zip

If you don't download full pack map specific entities will not work for example: more spawn points on hub3aeroq3 (don't worry, I just added all the ones that are in QL that aren't in the original Q3 map). Also the vstr mode commands will not work if you don't go full.

It's a shame I lost alot of work on this as my old HDD broke. :<

Where is the SPITERBOT SUPPORT PLEASE?

I want to be able to play some perfectly smooth offfline Q3 without retarded bots.

Could you enumerate key features you need?

I think that's basically bots that strafe jump and time items.

And not only strafe jump, do various per map tricks like bridge to rail on dm6, which would require waypoints I think.

Well basically i thought about asking the creator of Spiterbot and adding the code on Edawn, because Spiterbot IA is really good.

Just everything I said here:

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2090133#pid2090133

Hope u been working on this and new edawn version is soon ready, this seems dead :\

Latest change according to svn was @ 13:52:28 7th October 2011 by Cyrax. =)

How does that work? I just see the link to the latest same 1.0.1 released this summer.

It's the latest revision from svn, it's not public but work is being done. Mod is not dead as long as Cyrax is not. :p

Hows the spiterbot thing being addressed?

It isn't. :(

To me spiterbot just seems like a dirty hack (not something we would like to implement) and it'd be shitload of work to improve the default bots. It's something we really haven't been working on, altho we have advanced projectile prediction available for bots (but that's it tho). Cyrax is the one who's pretty much in charge so better wait for him to respond.

How it's just a cheap hack? Just ask the creator of Spiterbot. Spiterbot is actually a pretty decent bot, the best bot ever programmed for Q3 (non-CPM gameplay). The only bot that would make you feel like you are playing a duel.

If you mean cheap as in just adding the code on Spiterbot, well just ask the creator for the permision to include it on the mod. It's the best thing you can do unless you guys can surpass the Spiterbot itself.

For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF3H_X4Kozk&feature=related

The b2r the bot does, is not an actual b2r. Judging by the looks of it the bot just gains extra speed out of nowhere to actually make the jump, instead of just performing it the normal way. As a principle it's bad to solve things this way as it will not replicate actual events possible in the game.

I'm all for looking at the source and seeing how it actually works though.

Bot AI is at low priority - means only bugfixes atm
About releases - planned once per 4-6 months
join #edawn IRC channel and ask for pre-release builds there if you want to test that - its not public but actually accessible for anyone :)

Bots should be first priority, mainly because no one plays Q3 atm lol.

Sorry but no :) Its better to motivate people to play with each other

If the mod is good people will play with each other over playing with bots, but bots are important too. For example I can't play when im out on my laptop because most likely there will be no wifi connection/terrible wifi connection.

I remember this :O

Might re-download when I get home and try to fix the cpméQL rulesets.

need improved bots dodge

also is it fps caped?dependant?