Made for Asians with small hands ;(

abyssus will always be the king of this price range.

I'd vote no to this, since you can't ignore all the pads that result in jitter with the Abyssus.

if people who say it are right, the newer abyssi (or whatever the plural is) don't jitter on most pads. as time goes you'll be more and more likely to get one of those, so it might not be the ace now, but it'll be in the future.

Dunno. I have a brand-new mirror abyssus and it jitters on a qck..

i have a lol edition abyssus and it does not jitter on qck+

thats is fixed, i bought another abyssus the LoL edition, and this onde doesnt jitter! the other one jittered!

Or you just got lucky? I tried the mouse back in February / early March from Newegg, it jittered on qck+. Sent it back after a couple days and about a week ago picked another one up from Microcenter locally that they just got fresh stock, it skips on qck+.

It might be a great mouse for people that accept it's flaws, but for me, I don't want to go and spend an additional $25-30 on a mousepad so it won't jitter when I have a perfectly good $15 mousepad that I like already. And I don't want to be mucking around with strips of tape so that it doesn't track 1ft above the surface. Or having to use a vise grip to press one of the buttons, which seems to need quite a bit more force than wmo or mx300, or mx310.

i bought this abyssus because i snaped the litlle thing that presses the switch in 3 pieces. Im using this on goliathus speed alfa. the previous one jittered on this pad, this one doesnt, also it says 2010 in the box, the previous one said 2008 ;)

boobs!

where? did i draw some boobs unconciously?

half boobs with nipples at middle!

rotf!

hm might have to give this a try

65 x 40 x 120 mm

120mm ain't that short actually.

Weight 68 grams!! it is made for you mate!

Max. Speed: up to 50 inches/second

= 1.27 m/sec

always like this, even if the sensor still performs at 4 m/sec

I'm not convinced....ec1+2 didn't say that, also zowie know their stuff at least they say so. Let's hope it got a greater max tracking at 400 dpi that would make me probably get one....

does it use the same sensor as the EC series?

not stated, but might be

No the specs don't match. The 3060 is 60 IPS (and tracks at much higher speeds as well obviously). The wheel looks like the one on the EC though. Same colors as CPI indicators too. Dunno if they'd use an optical encoder as well, seeing as this mouse is much cheaper.

Unless I missed it, the sensor isn't even made by Avago.

Probally one of the newer gaming grade Pixart sensors, but we won't know until someone opens it up.

Or Zowie come clean and tell us what sensor it is.

Not too much to expect to get the full specs of a piece of hardware before you buy it, tbh.

looks like a slightly smaller mx300, very nice. no mentioning of lod though, that would sadly be a dealbreaker for me.

also... wankers.
EUR 34.90
USD 34.90

:y

God Bless America.

It says 2mm

After several months of testing and trashing, we are confident that we have finally succeeded in finding a sensor that lives up to our requirements of quality and functionality, performing flawlessly on all types of surfaces, except for paper and glass. With the ZOWIE custom lens we were also able to achieve a lift-off distance of 2,0 mm.

all types of surfaces eh? I just might get it.

But if it doesnt work well on my mousepads made out of human flesh then they will regret it...

2mm right there

Zowie know what their doing when it comes to mice.

seeing as this thing ain't completely rubberized...well. let's they they do a good job but could do better.

shape looks pretty ugly ^_^ not a big fan of the mx300's / g1's / g3's shape - I prefer what Razer achieved with the Salmosa and Abyssus, even Krait

If I can get this at a reasonable priced shipped, I'll buy it and test it out. I also will be probably getting the new SS mouse (assuming they've announced a new/different sensor).

:)

"for rts games". Angle snapping/prediction?

looks good, just wish it had a side button

Co-developed with professional StarCraft & StarCraft 2 players from Korea

What the hell is that supposed to mean? Light? Big stupid buttons?

I could see a keyboard designed with RTS players being decent, but not a mouse.

It means:

- Most koreans like Logitech mini optical
- We basically copied the Logitech mini optical
- Developed by people who use the Logitech mini optical
- Buy our mouse

Thing is, that's the reason I'll buy it. Logitech Mini Optical shell is actually really nice to use, and I'm very keen to have something similar with a decent sensor (the LMO sensor is complete shit.)

i've read that the Logitech M90 has 1000DPI without prediction.

This mouse has exact same design as Logitech M90 or M100!
For small hands like asians!

i have big hand and the mouse fits me good

i hope it has adns 3090

It wont it goes max 1600 dpi!

They could have given us more details on the sensor.
No mention if it even is laser or LED optical. (seeing it only goes to 1600dpi, I'm guessing its not laser, which is good)
What about angle snapping?

And no buttons but mouse1+2 ?

The other 'RTS' gaming mice I've looked at have had loads and loads of buttons.

The shape & weight appeal to me. Now I just need to see the right sensor + some more buttons.

The top players don't use fancy mice. If you look at top koreans playing Brood War or SC2 they seem to prefer stuff like G1 etc. So the Mico fits that. Why would you need more buttons by the way? RTS players are experts at tormenting their keyboards anyway.

http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_...d.35208800

Not for RTS. But WoW noobs buy that shit. It is sad.

yeah, because rpg is so rts.

role playing game <-> real time strategy

totally the same, stupid

Razer Krait is also worth mentioning for being previously marketed as their first RTS mouse (with funky APM numbers).

http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_...d.40826200

it looks so cheap i wouldnt buy it no matter the spec

and that negro in the background lol

hope it doesnt have any negative or positive acceleration.
really i care about it much more than dpi.

i cant believe all the posts we get on ESR about bloody mice!

Yeah, indeed. Way too few posts about mice, I agree!

A lot of impaired Cats visits this website

that's the quintessence of the hw forum, not all those posts about accel and unstable usb refresh rates in win7

there's no second site with such a well informed community in terms of hardware essential to own in quake. other communities use the razer naga, we use the microsoft wheel mouse optical / mx300 / abyssus. ; )

It all seems rather simple to us to get a mouse right. Yet no one has ever done this.

I guess the biggest roadblock is the sensor. There aren't any mouse companies to my knowledge that make their own sensors, and the ones that do are far enough removed from the mouse market not to really care about the things we care about.

So when there's a new mouse, it's like have they finally done it yet?

Where is this mouse worth anything even close to 35€?

zowie obviously

Aha. Razer did the same thing with the Salmosa or the Abyssus. Same type of mouse, same price range. Zowie ain't worse than every other company out there. Pretty much every "gaming mouse" no matter the brand is a rip off.

hey, both the salmosa and abyssus look nice at least. in terms of aesthetic this is bad.

Do you miss the glowing razer logo? :P

the salmosa has no glowing razer logo : )

At least the razer mice doesn't look like: "hey, we found those cheap charges of old sensors, let's take some ulgy cheap shell we can put it in, and sell it for over 30€.

Logitech mice which doesn't cost even 10€ look better, and don't have a much worse sensor either.

Chill. You don't know what sensor they are using yet and how good or bad it will perform. The sensor of the EC is old too and still performs very well. And looks are the last thing I'm interested in when it comes to mice. I could not care less for something I stop seeing as soon as I start using it.

You can always add your own racing stripe to it with some colored tape.

I really wonder about the microswitches they say to have designed for this mouse.

sdfgsdfg

Attached Image: 82234-Mico_4db15d7b6e5e8.jpg (29KB)

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Wish they would have this photo next to something known for scale. I mean I know it's not as large as a mountain or as small as a blood cell, but still.

65 x 40 x 120 mm

120mm ain't that short actually.

width x height x length obviously

Razer's Salmosa has the following dimensions: 63 × 37 x 115 mm
Abyssus is nearly identical dimension wise, only 3 mm more in height (63 x 40 x 115 mm).

That compares quite well to the Mico in my opinion ; )

The mouse wheel looks like the one on the EC. They have a boxshot on their site where you can see that the wheel will act as a CPI indicator (red, purple, blue glow) much like on the EC. If they use the exact same wheel on the mico that would be awesome (ignoring the wheel bug that was present on early ECs).

lol I realized that Zowie's prior EC2 mouse has the same exact dimensions as the Mico.

For those that are not familiar with those mice, EC1 is the bigger IME3/DA like mouse and EC2 the smaller one.

Are those side/thumb buttons?

Thanks for the pics, btw. [+]

Buttons: 3

by looking at the mouse I notice the following: 1) a left mouse button 2) a right mouse button 3) a mouse wheel

the mousewheel (actually, any mouswheel that I know of) can be considered as the third button.

concluding from that I would say that it's... just a decorative piece of plastic (no mouse4/5)

Has the shape of a MS Basic Optical Mouse. :(

I like this shape.

For palm/claw this has to be the worst mouse ever. For fingertip this is the ideal shape.

I wish it had at least 2000 dpi and I hope its sensor is not crap.



The funny part is that in Brazil when you say "I bought a mico" it means that the product you've bought is not legit (it's a shit/cheap/false product). ("mico" comes from the monkey genus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8OjuRDeqFk)

"I wish it had at least 2000 dpi"

lol

sorry to disapoint you buddy.

why do you need 2000dpi?

I play RTS.

And, currently I'm confortable with 1600dpi playing at 1024 screen resolution (windows 6/11 and no up/down scale sensitivity in-game). In july I will be able to play at full HD and I'm pretty sure that 1600dpi won't be enough, unless I up scale in-game and/or in windows but I don't want to do that.

If you need this much DPI than I don't see much more ways out than a Logitech G9x or a SteelSeries Xai.

Personally I think that's crazy though. When I'm playing RTS games (casually though) I use 400 DPI (or the equivalent of 400 DPI with 800 DPI).

wow 400 dpi is low man (for my taste, of course)! How can you keep up with all the multitasking clicking everywhere in the screen?


In cs I felt confortable with the same 1600dpi sens 1.1 for ak/colt; sens 1.5 and zoom 2.4 for awp, I'm pretty much used to high sens, for almost ten years. People might be thinking (this guy gotta suck in FPS) but for my defense, back in the day (cs 1.5 days) I was #1 ranked in a couple of known servers of AWP with those high sens settings! Good old days, nowadays I'm just a casual FPS player, I focus more in RTS.

I understand you. I've been successfully playing with 13cm/360 for 1 year in a demanding fps game (W:ET, successor of RTCW) that is more like Quake and less like Camp Strike. After that I've switched to 23cm/360 and been playing with that for 2+ years. Just after I dropped ET and began playing Quake I've been playing with 17-18cm/360, but after 2 months switched back to nearly (21.4cm/360) what I was using in ET for so long.

In ET that's considered as high sens (most guys use >40cm, some even >80cm), in Quake nearly mid sens.

f10-gameplay-sensitivity

what sensor has it ?

the cheapest nastiest chinease shit like all the rest

i think all electronics are produced in asia, china, taiwan, etc. ...
not just this one

Its rumoured to be a Pixart sensor

you can't even break the sound barrier with it without losing tracking, won't buy

how do they expect this mouse to sell ?


http://www.zowiegear.com/components/com_gk3_p...co_web.jpg

they had a worse guy for the zowie celeretias, so I expect this to sell quite well x)

More like "Hey that´s one of us!" and "A true progamer!" equals to "I can be like him!" :) Rather someone who is really known for his experience, since gaming is not a beauty contest!

But... tbh, since I am not that into Asian e-Sports. Who´s that?

That's July, one of the greatest Zerg BW players of all time.

Ah, ooh :|

And a goos Starcraft 2 zerg aswell. Known for his agressive builds.

Startale July

Thank you :)

"I can be like him!"

or not... :/

Have to start eating more then ;)

well, you have to begin with >something<!

still, razer does it better, maybe they need to take lessons from them in the marketing department :D

http://team.razerzone.com/lindaliao

Hm, whats the message? "Buy our stuff and you get to fuck this bony chick that eats some then pukes double the amount each day?"

To be honest that clear difference in the marketing "philosophy" tells a little about the brand philosophy. Razer is targeting the more general gamers (who will love a fancy peripheral and hot girls in ads) whilst Zowie is targeting the more hardcore gamers (who obviously knows the e-sport scene and the top professional players).

still, Zowie does it better, maybe they need to take lessons from them in the sensor department :D

she looks like an alien haha!

lol, i thought the same :P

this.

I'd still hit it....

I wouldn't lol

oh my eyes

She looks like an aquarium-fish :-)

julyzerg <3

No mouse 4/5, even though it could = fail.

I don't think you'll find many SC players who use all 3 buttons, let alone 5!

Any info if it has teflon feet or not?

Ignorant people laughing at the "chubby nerd", read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Sung-Joon

.

how do I know you're fat?

We still don't know what sensor it is ?

nope

PixAr PAN3305DK-H apparently. whatever that is.

http://www.techbang.com.tw/posts/5739-zowie-m...arket-test

found there

Now I just need someone to tell me how good that is. :P

Dunno how different the sensors are, but the Roccat Kova+ and Pyra use the PixArt PAW3305DK-H.

do you know if it has any prediction or corrction in it?? it is the most important part i think

it.. is.. NOT

You can't have sick aim if you have prediction !

Oh wait..

for some people yes it is not. but it really matter for me, because if there is any correction i just feel weird abiut the mouse and i cannot even get used to the sensitivity.. because it moves out of my control as i am low sens player.

http://vic81324.pixnet.net/blog/post/33924970

various pictures there for anyone interested. some size comparison ones near the bottom, vs the abyssus/kinzu/mx518

seems too small unfortunately. won't suit claw grippers comfortably i suppose.

That doesn't make sense. It does not look smaller (only shorter) than the Kinzu and the "Kinzuadder" mod has been ESR-approved lately ;)

wow, this is actually much smaller than the abyssus/salmosa

Yep not worth it! :P

nice... small and light, perfect for fingertip :D

Yeah that is too small for claw grip. If only razer re-released the Abyssus with a working sensor, it would be perfect (yes I know they supposedly fixed the jitter in a firmware upgrade on the new mice, but it's impossible to tell if you're buying a fixed version or not).

Razer, here is how you make mad money:
1) Fix the Abyssus jitter issue and release is as Abyssus V2.0.
2) If you're feeling generous, apply a better coating to the mouse.
3) Make mad bucks.

I bet Razer realized the Abyssus is their best mouse by far and they don't want to fix it because it's also their cheapest mouse, which means their profit would go down after people stop buying their other overpriced crap.

1a) Get rid of that obnoxious glowing logo. I mean really I don't care if it's lit, but it doesn't need to be so bright you could rival the bat-signal with it.

Tape :x

That would break the convention of gaming mouse companies releasing a mouse with just one or two serious flaws.

I mean are you serious, release a mouse with no flaws? Who would buy that?

must be the reason why they discontinued the salmosa, only one flaw high lod (fixable!). I don't count "squeeking buttons" because that's ridiculous and also did only happen for a few

I really think the prediction on it is a flaw. Should at least be optional or just off.

Too small for claw grip. Again. If you can use a small mouse at all it would be with a claw grip. At least say it's to small for anything.... Too small for claw grip. Whats next? Too big for palm grip? :D

isn't it easier to use a fingertip grip on a really small mouse than to claw it?

Oh so now claw-grip ain't the same. Ok my bad.

All these terms are confusing.

For a long time I thought I was using palm grip.
But when I think about it, I think I'm using a hybrid between 'finger tipping' and 'palming'.

This mouse shape looks good for me. I don't mind small mice as long as they are oblong, and not round like holding a cheeseburger at McDonald's (like the CM Storm is).

This mouse's (the Mico) shape looks similar to the MX310, which continues to be my all-time favourite shape.

Now the question remains how far in front or back they have placed the optical eye. If they've placed it all the way in the back, they might as well toss it out now.

how's that kind of hybrid possible, if i may ask? you palm (lay your full hand flat on the mouse and control the movement with your arm) first and then switch to fingertip (lift hand completely off mouse and control it with the tips of your fingers), omg :)

The palm ain't your full hand. That's why it's called palm.

you... know what i mean :p ahh whatever, maybe it's just me having two left hands or something.

i thought i knew what i knew. but now there's palm-grip, claw-grip, fingertip-grip, hybrid-claw-palm-grip, whatever-grip. too much grip!

get a grip

Take a look at the pics on zowies website? They have a pic with the bottom...

I THINK ITS CALLED CLAW GRIP???

YOU KNOW? PALM + 5 FINGERTIPS ON MOUSE.

I don't consider them the same and don't know why anyone else would..

cut your fingernails nerd

was going to purchase this until i saw how tiny it is

So, is the sensor any good or not?
Where are all our usual technical experts?

It isn't released yet.

in other news my brand new wmo should be here later today

looks like it has prediction

welp, there goes an otherwise guaranteed sale zowie you fucking morons

i have prediction, and im loving it.

hi - I emailed the guys from ZOWIE about this mouse and prediction, this is the reply I got:

-----------------

Hello *name*,



No, there’s no prediction on this sensor. :-)



Best regards,



Morten V. Hermansen

Support Guru

-----------------

could it be that the guy on the taiwanese website uses mouse acceleration or it's just a very slight one and he overdid the speed of the movement and it did something funky? I believe windows built in accel might cause "prediction" ?

anyway,

I think I'm going to order this one as soon as I can and review it *in english* for those interested.

hope this might get some people interested in it again, cause the shape looks perfect to me.

The unknown factor in this is this:

Does Morten V. Hermansen actually know what we mean with 'prediction'...

i highly doubt it. :)

I'm pretty sure ZOWIE are one of few companies that know what they're doing...somewhat better than what Razer/Steelseries release.

You mean like when they tried to explain to us that, due to the higher polling rate the prediction on the EC was reduced to a minimum? Even though higher polling rates has nothing to do with it :)?

Not to say the EC is a bad mouse, it's not, but apparently Zowie got a bit lucky hehe.

This one really dont have prediction, not the "minimum" like on the ec since its not a avago chip

Do we have more info about this mouse?? Is the sensor good? I'd like to order it to replace my jittery Abyssus, unless it uses a known bad sensor.

Juen 1st way 3 days ago, where the fuck is this mouse already?

From what i heard from friends, its doesn't jitter, 500hz max, no prediction and quite low lift-off

your friends... at zowie? :p

link to review please, if possible (and explain how they got the mice in the first place).

=S
Friends from a part of the world where the mico is available already.
The review is in a different language, so i'll summarize it, very light, buttons are very clicky and short in terms of travel, lod is good, didnt heard much about tracking yet, supposedly more trsting needs to be done for a detailed review.

thanks, i actually mistook your flag for a us one. i blame my apparently poor eyesight .)

supposedly 11th of june is the real release date, so ~a week from now. weird releasing it on a saturday though...

how do you know its gonna come out in June 11th?

well that's the date my preorder says, so I hope it arrives after that weekend!

If anyone is interested I posted a review over at overclock.net

http://www.overclock.net/mice/1036212-zowie-m...kinzu.html

Thanks.

Did you test for negative acceleration?

Where did you buy the Mico?

Theres no negative or positive acceleration. I bought it at customdata.dk

less fanboyism, more information pls.

What info do you want? I even wrote there I prefer the zowie spawn

Real numbers would be best but I guess thats impossible without setting up a rather complex test environment. Still I would like to know:

- which mousepads did you test. No accel, low lod, high perfect control speed; sounds almost too good to be true :)
- does it do 1000hz stable
- button response time (Roughly. Faster than wmo? Slower than xai? etc)
- what about the feet? Teflon I guess? How smooth?
- I noticed that you already answered the question about prediction in comments :)

- zowie g-tf, qck fnatic edition, steelseries 4hd. About the perfect control speed, it seems to be higher than the wmo 1.1 but I have no way of accurately measuring that. But ofcourse the 4m/s of the spawn cant be matched

-Im not going to use mouserate to change the hz, It does 500hz when I plug it in which is perfect for me

-I dont notice any delay in either mice

-The zowie mico has very small mousefeet although they seem to be high quality 100% teflon and round edges like on hyperglides

And what fanboyism are you talking about? I wrote I still prefer the cm storm spawn

try this please and post results http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2087517

enotus test is not that good imho. Max speed usually shows higher values than real tracking speed because it shows the highest recorded value - spikes etc.
Also precision test is really hard to do right because if you rotate mouse while moving it will show very bad results. I don't want to explain why.
Smoothness test is somewhat affected by result of Max Speed, with higher MS smoothness tends to be better.

I would suggest using loger made by outerspace to plot a graph.

You have to move the mouse in a straight line to get accurate results. the dpi measurement is spot on if you do not release the button but move the distance, then look at the dpi counter.

enotus can at least show major tracking problems or a tendency which is more then enough for a mouse that got tech specs of 1.27 m/sec max. tracking (which is probably wrong or only for the highest dpi setting)

Honestly its not accurate enough

I mean the test is not accurate enough, the mouse is thought :p

no it isn't if you want to show a rough max tracking? please do so, or are you really only doing advertising here?

I did it anyway

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/9171/unled1xm.jpg

Thanks!

Anyone know what's the fastest way to get this shipped to Canada (or USA)??? I'd like to get my mico as fast as possible since my Abyssus jittering makes me rage insanely. The WMO is too big for me now after using the Abyssus :(

When will someone make a good cheap, simple mouse like this that works for low-sens?

I know this one in particular is designed for RTS, but 50ips is pretty weak.

What does the 50ips stand for? Is this bad for quake? wtf =(

He means 50 inches/second which is 1.27 meters/sec

This would be lower than the wmo at 500 hz which does up to 1.5 m/sec before negative acceling.

Like ryan said though would have to test it.

Actually jstn where did you get this number?

It's the official specs of the Mico.

Gotcha.

So what I am finding online is that the abyssus weighs about 52 grams without the cable, and the mico is at 68 grams? Or is this figure for the abyssus incorrect?

I'm at work right now so I can't weight my Abyssus, but I weighted it in the past on an accurate digital scale and I remember the Abyssus was exactly 10g lighter than the WMO, both without the cable. IIRC the WMO's weight was in the 70-80's, so there's no way the Abyssus weights 52g. I can weight both mice when I get home tonight, but the Mico should weight less than the Abyssus.

The Abyssus is awesome but I stopped using mine since I get jitter, AND it doesn't track slow movements on specific angles on my qck. It's a shame because the mouse has pretty much no inertia and I feel like jesus LG'ing with that thing, if they re-release a fixed version for 100$ I'd buy it.

Thanks for the reply :-)

That is good news, I would like the mico to weigh less than the Abyssus.

Mine weights ~71g.

Cool thanks for the info :-)

Thats just the specs from manufacturer.

Actual malfunction/perfect control speeds haven't been confirmed by anybody yet...

anonymous danish guy above gives an unconfirmed ~2m/sec @800dpi tested with enotus mousetest. we could hope it performs better at lower dpi (or maybe even higher dpi like the deathadder )

hmph. date for preorder changed to 15th. oh well it's summer I shouldn't be too upset...

Got this today, and I have to say I'm impressed. The most flawless mouse I have used.

Shape is good, sensor is good, wire is good, scroll is good, clicks are good.

Slight amount of prediction, but feels lower than my razer krait. Tracks at decent speeds. Moves really well on my puretrak talent, the feet are really amazing. Funny how they are kind of an oldschool style of feet just with Teflon, and so much better than those huge mouse feet you get on some mice today.

If you like small mice, would definitely be my number 1 recommendation.

prediction? Are you sure? Does it say what sensor it uses on it?

PixArt PAN3305DK-H

http://cdn1.techbang.com.tw/system/images/475...1304593389

Ok ty. I wasn't able to find info about it though.

My main concern is lift off distance and prediction.

Lift off distance = ? in cm

I'm not sure what they mean by a 'little prediction'.

mico-prediction

Not really noticeable but it's there I'm pretty sure.

I'm not so sure about the prediction. If its there its very small

Try use paint instead of photoshop and draw like a tornado from upside. Prediction would be more noticeable when you get closer to middle which its not with the mico

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5565/micof.jpg

Don't suppose you could try doing the same thing with 1px lines (e.g. pencil tool in pbrush) ? :)

Just installed new windows, and it was that thickness by default :s

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/212931/mico-2.jpg

With a prediction mouse, my hand is steady enough to draw a straight line every time. With a non-prediction I never make even half a straight line.

This is somewhere in between, which leads me to believe there is some prediction.. but very slight.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/212931/mico.jpg

Size comparison as well.

aaa wtf, how did you manage to not wear out the 'diamondback' inscription on the razer db.. your mx518 doesn't seem like it's been used a lot, too.

I dunno, I usually replaced the diamondbacks after 1-2 years because the plastic sides would get pretty worn. Logo never wore off though.

do you know of a way to make the after-some-time yellowish sides nicely clear and white again?

I pretty much peeled off the shitty parts and it was clear underneath. As time goes on sweat will turn them yellow (design flaw if you keep the mouse more than a few years, but hey I guess they want you to buy new ones), and will be even worse if you smoke.

No real way to stop it, just gets grubby after a while.

I looked into this when I had my ancient Diamondback. There's a kind of shoe-cleaner that would probably work really well. Don't remember what it was called. If you google "cleaning yellowed clear plastic" or something like that you'll probably find it eventually, along with some forums filled with guys way too concerned about shoe cleaning.

Need lift off distance as precise as can be. Use ruler and the start of the cord maybe?

Tracks on 1 cd, but not 2.

So between 1.2mm and 2.4mm

I can confirm its less than 2cds I got it to be around 1.8mm

So that would be what, twice as high as my wmo?

Depends on the mousepad. Your wmo don't track on 1cd then?

Either you have a white hardpad or you are lying. Everyone else with wmo get about 2cd's LOD

PRO-FUCKING-TIP: If you think a mouse's lod is too high, add teflon feets on top of the existing ones instead of replacing them.

Stop freaking about about the LOD ffs.

u mad?

I was asking a question.

I tested my wmo just now, it tracks on two cds, but not three.

Each cd is 1.2 mm thick, so it still tracks on 2.4 mm but not 3.6. Of course there is also the matter of how deep or shallow the sensor itself is set into the mouse.

This is on a qck+ and I did this by putting a cd on each side.

Surprised that I found so many old cds, Mech Warrior II for Windows 95 anyone?

fucking love Mechwarrior

Now to only hope it doesn't go MIA in the NA market like the Spawn.

No kidding, what is up with the spawn??! I searched for awhile yesterday and couldn't find anywhere to buy is in North America =(

It should be available soon now that they fixed all the issues. They put the release on hold for NA until that time I believe.

early july according to what cm employees say on their official forum

can't wait to receive mine! tomorrow is the day it will be sent out. so if I'm lucky, friday friday gotta get down on friday.

Are you ordering if to America? If so, were did you order from?

Sweden, the release date is set to june 15th over here. so, today if CET (central european time)

:) ordered from www.maxfps.se but I doubt they ship to the US.

Ok just ordered it from zowie's website. The little motherfucker better be good because the shipping alone was 25 euros, rofl.

for fox sake... I should have ordered from denmark directly. this is getting on my nerves. I haven't been able to play vidyagaems for weeks now :|

I suppose noone in sweden has the mouse yet unless ordered from somewhere else?

.. finally it's in stock here in lovely Sweden. just when I'm going on vacation. fudging hell this have been a painful wait.

seems they postponed it another week. this is getting really annoying. should have ordered from denmark or whatever..........

Does this mouse has same sensor as Roccat Pyra?

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2093705#pid2093705

Don't remember what the Pyra sensor was but it was crap (at least on my pad) and the prediction was low but still there.

No its not the same as the pyra

Some good photos here:

http://s418.photobucket.com/albums/pp266/vic1...1QQtppZZ16

You have some nice fingers hehe

Not my photos (mutatis mutandis for my fingers). Just found the page with google images

now that's a fingertip only mouse.

I can claw it, but I guess my I have smaller hands.

That's what she said.

Ugh, embarrassed that I wrote that, and yet I leave it.

So I just received my Mico, but I'm gonna insta-return it.
400 and 800 dpi are fine, but I was going to use it at 1600 dpi exclusively, and at this setting there was some very noticable prediction / weird behaviour. ( http://imgur.com/hzDSL )

Not sure if this would actually affect my gaming performance, but I'm not paying 40€ for a mouse that isn't 100%.

wow that's a lot of prediction!

the 1600dpi looks extrapolated and not really 1600dpi...

You mean extrapolated through windows scaling for instance?

I received my mouse yesterday, I'm the guy that ordered it on the 15th. It shipped here in like 3 work days (I don't think it moved during the week end).

The mouse is awesome so far, it's the best one I have used out of:

Abyssus, WMO, Explorer 3.0, G9X, Xai, M510, Deathadder.

Can you elaborate? What do you like about it?

Yeah, please elaborate. I'm looking for a new mouse and the price is not too bad here at all. Main concerns are size (what are your hand measurements and grip style, and is the mouse comfortable) and sensor (mainly concerned about max speed/skipping)

Well this guy says he can't get his Mico to malfunction. HE HURT HIS HAND TRYING!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aNYX26Gu8M

He claims that he can get other mice that have the avago 9500 sensor to skip and malfunction but he cant with the Mico. Two Problems with this though.

1. In his previous reviews he claims he couldn't get those avago 9500 sensor mice to malfunction. "I can't get this xai to malfunction like a normal optical mouse" But because a new mouse is being reviewed he can suddenly get that xai to malfunction now? hmmm...

2. He doesn't seem to understand what perfect control speed is and Its not hard at all to get those avago 9500 sensor mice to malfunction on cloth pads so it isn't really impressive.

Did he remake the Xai video? I don't quite remember him talking about negative and or positive acceleration o_0

I also remember commenting on his claims of the Xai tracking flawlessly, but it seems his reply and my comments are gone :[

Well from his Xai review video (linked at the comment, not from the beginning):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H6t7QO9MYI&am...age#t=153s

And then this from his mico review:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aNYX26Gu8M&am...age#t=265s

His hands are too big to make any mouse malfunction easily :P

Thanks for the info. After thinking about it some more and actually paying attention to how I grip my mouse, I think it'll be too small. I have average sized hands (7", fingertip to wrist) and usually claw-grip it. But when I use lg or mg I drop the rest of my hand down on top of the mouse for stability.

Thinking I'll just get a Deathadder.

Hey, I am the author of eSports Reviews.

That was the first Xai I was given to review, since then I have had three others to review for different sites. Each one after my original shipped with a different firmware, and became easier to malfunction.

The QPAD 5K uses the same sensor, and tracks considerably better on all surfaces than the Xai.

I can get the Xai to malfunction on a QPAD HeatoN, and I cannot get the ZOWIE MiCO to malfunction on the same mouse pad.

I also use the ZOWIE G-TF Speed as my benchmark mouse pad.

best shape I ever had, but the 1600dpi are not really native i think. I have some pixelskipping and some prediction, but other dpi settings are just fine.

Curious if you can tell me what the 'threshold' is like on it. With my wmo the mouse starts registering movement after the tiniest push.

With the xai it would require more movement for it to register. This was really annoying.

Heya I just posted a "review", and I talked about the treshold. You'll be pleased to hear that it was also a very important factor to me and I always tested it with my new mice. The mico doesn't disappoint and it registers slow, tiny movements precisely and accurately. Using mouserate.exe I also noticed that the mouse requires slower movements to make it approach it's stable and desired value (500mhz by default for the mico, I haven't tried changing it).

Just asked Zowie about the 1600dpi problem, their official explanation is that the issue is not
caused by interpolation, but the sensor's rather poor alogarism at 1.6k, on other dpi it works fine, 400, 800 etc.

Afaik they've specified for the sensor to work well at all dpi without issues but pixart don't give a shit. Dont know if its ethical to post about the inner workings of the industry but i'm going to post it anyway, zowie states that they dont have the size to push sensor manufactures to produce sensors up to their expectations, maybe if they purchased some >9000dpi LAZORSENZORZ and !$!@$BLING$BLING!$!@#% then manufactures might entertain them, but that is not their direction.

I guess that n suposedly marketed rts mouse for koreans who use mainly 800 cant fit most fps players here, but zowie did ask me to tell the community when they are capable enough they will come up with an acceptable sensor for us.

GEEEE sorry for the long post, maybe i should start a thread about esr members designing a mice and submitting it to zowie...
=<

*edit* typo

well we already have the perfect shape and weight ( kinzu ) and the perfect sensor (old DA ) established. Where is the problem ?

Old da is 3688 which isnt available to zowie afaik, the 3090 has high liftoff therefore isn't an option for a rts mouse which the mico fits perfectly for 400 and 800dpi. As far as the 3688 goes, there is still the liftoff distance issue that need to be settle, like i've said we should probable start a "esr" mouse design thread and see what the forum base will come up with, till zowie's portfolio is a little more free. Should i start a new thread?

Yeah, there has to be a way to get a specific mouse made.

We all sit here and talk about it for hours and days and months, and it's not even that complicated. The market just gets saturated with 6000DPI lasers and retarded LED's because idiots and casuals buy it up like crazy.

Yes but I don't see this scenario rapidly changing as casual gamers represent 90% of their market.

I think that if specific brands like ZOWIE and CM Storm keeps with good launchings for the "experts" we should be ok.

3090's lift off can be lowered under 2.4mm (2 cds) via firmware. CM has proven this with their spawn.

Razers lift off issues on the other hand lie firmly in their IR lens assembly and I'm honestly not sure if they could lower the lift off on the DA without creating other various problems. I mean it took them half a year to fix the 3668 and probably a whole year to get the 3888 working properly. Thunda has already tried swapping out the standard IR lens for a basic red one, but has reported back that the malfunction and perfect control rates were severely lowered with w/e lens/light source he used.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure the 3668/3888 could work properly without an IR lens, although it would require Razer to actually seek out or create a proper lens and change their firmware.

tl;dr I still think the 3090 is the best we're going to get after companies sort out their issues with this sensor.

Sidenote: I understand that Zowie isn't as strong as Logitech, Razer, or even Steelseries now financially, but I have to give them credit for being very innovative with their plug and play designs.

I just hope they switch to a better production factory. I've seen too many EC series mice and Celeritas keyboards with poor QC.

I think Razer could lower the LOD for IR-LED, if they were able to reduce the power to the LED.
At least i know that there is still the possibility to set the LED in sleep-mode with firmware(discovered that when i unintentionally closed some pin of the sensor, causing the firmware to be resetted until next bootup, so the LED was going in much lower light mode after a while).

I also have owned a DA 3G which had a low LOD even with IR-LED, and when u compared the light coming from the LED with another DA, you saw that the ones with low LOD was darker.

Funny, i dont have problems(quality) with my ec nor celeritas, ec have scroll bug in ealier batches because they were screwed too tightly, and circuitry problems that would kill the sensor or afftect its tracking in some weird shit way, but the latest iterations are problem free from personal experience. The direction with the ec obviously went with Heaton's preference which he doesnt mind prediction and was fanatical about liftoff i think thats why they didnt used the 3090. 2.4 is almost 1mm higher then the ec's 1.5mm. What i think we should do is like i've stated, start a esr mouse design thread, vote for sensors based on user preference, for example, how much ips do we really need and find a proper compromising value in regards to liftoff, that being said every aspect should be decided by members and we'll see if zowie is going to be willing to make it for us.
Will start the thread as soon as i find the time, but do we have a polling option on this forum?
=>

I'm not doubting your Zowie products, I'm just saying I've noticed various quality issues reported/shown by other owners.

Maybe I'm just assuming here, but I believe they went with the 3060 since it was literally the cheapest gaming grade Optical Avago sensor you can get your hands on at the time.. It was also proven not to have the issues many other sensors suffer from. As for the 3090, R&D for the EC series mice was finished well before the sensor even launched.

7/18/10
http://vr-zone.com/articles/zowie-gear-unveil.../9407.html

9/28/10
http://www.overclock.net/mice/834151-avago-ad...arket.html

As for your proposition, I'm all for that. I enjoy seeing companies that support what the consumer wants.

Dont get the wrong idea, i don't work for zowie but i know some of them, i'm only posting in their place because they think its a bad idea for "officials" to comment here but be assured that they are watching this thread because i linked it to them and state that old-school fpsers are not happy with the mico.

Again i'm not defending them out of any corporate purpose, other then personal experience, but like you i have my own issues regarding zowie's products, ec's huge ass feet has too much static friction for me, Heaton doesnt mind prediction but i cant F*CKING stand it, no it isnt placebo because i can tell the difference before ss's article thats why i keep going back to my 3.0. Side the wheel of the ec is too frigging tight for me and i kinda wish the sensor is a little bit more to the front. They went so far with the celeritas but wasn't bothered to include tiltting...

Still as a company they showed the most potential in meeting the needs of picky gamers like us. Still not sure if they'll entertain us on the esr mouse idea. But i think its a good idea to state out our ideas at the very least they'll be well informed.

Yeah I didn't really mean that as you worked for zowie, but rather the zowie products you have purchased. I actually edited that sentence that since the previous version made it sound liked you actually worked for zowie, but I guess my new revision didn't work either lol

Anyway, I'm not here to disagree with anything you say. I mean I'm probably one of those people that might actually prefer the larger feet and current sensor position. With mice you can't really please everyone, but I do agree that it's a good start on Zowies part and I do encourage the path they're choosing since Steelseries completely failed in the "competitive gaming" department.

First of all I’d like to say my english isn’t very good, so sorry if you can’t understand properly. I’m at work and I currently don’t have the mouse in front of me so I can’t give exact values for LOD and stuff like that. I also wrote this on and off during the day so I might talk twice about the same thing, if that’s the case it’s because I forgot what I had written earlier in the day and I apologize.

I own these mice :
Abyssus
WMO
Explorer 3.0
Xai
G9x
Logitech M518
Logitech M110 (piece of crap)
Deathadder


Sensor
At 400 and 800 dpi, this sensor is flawless. I couldn’t get it to skip, and it shows no signs of negative/positive accel. I admit I haven’t tried my hardest to get the mouse to malfunction, but I play with a low-mid sens and swiping on my mousepad as fast as reastically possible caused absolutely no problems. At 1600 dpi the mouse acts weirdly, see the other post in this thread that explains it.

The treshold for movement registration is also very low, which means moving a tiny amount, at a very slow pace will still get the mouse to register movement perfectly. This is an often overlooked aspect, and it’s mostly important to high sens users. I have a theory that the reason the WMO/Explorer 3.0 feels so good is because it also used a sensor that registered these small movements properly. Some of the more recent mice with otherwise good sensors had trouble with this, and for some reason these mice felt weird to me (it might all be in my head though), maybe this is the reason why.

Also this is the first mouse out of all the ones I own where the mouserate.exe program reports close to perfect constant 500mhz.

Shape/weight
I admit I have small hands, but the shape of the Mico is as good as the kinzu/abyssus in my opinion. It weights about the same as the Abyssus but it’s smaller, and it gives a more « controlable » feel to the mouse. Weight is one of the most important aspect in a mouse for me : it has to be lightweight. I now consider the WMO too bulky to be useable, and that has been the case since I tried the Abyssus. It’s hard to explain, but a mouse that is too light causes it to feel uncontrolable, I’d compare that feeling to using a mouse on a slippery plastic mousepad. The mico is perfect here, it feels heavier than the Abyssus since it’s smaller but it also has all the advantages of the light mice for LG fights, which is where I lose the mose precision when I use a heavier mouse. The abyssus also felt pretty good with it’s weight/size ratio, and so does the mico.

Buttons
This is a category which is not really important to me, but I don’t see any problems with the buttons. Keep in mind I use the keyboard to fire in quake, and I don’t play RTS so I don’t feel like my opinion here is the best. The buttons offer a bit more resistance than the Abyssus, and it’s about on-par with the WMO. The scrolling of the mouse wheel however feels pretty good with noticeable « clicks » (I wouldn’t have trouble scrolling up exactly 5 times fast and precisely), but the mouse3 button is again a bit on the stiff side.

LOD
The lod is very low, a slight bit lower than the WMO on my qck+. I can’t give exact values since I’m at work.


Conclusion
I’d recommend the mico to anyone that like the abyssus but had trouble with jitters (unless you don’t want a mouse smaller than the abyssus). At 400 and 800dpi the sensor feels the best out of all the ones I’ve tried, and the weight is also perfect for me. I have sweaty hands and I had no troubles holding the mico at « sweat levels » (feels gross but yesterday was particularly hot here yesterday) that would make holding the WMO feel like a bar of soap. With my small hands I can claw grip the Mico hard, which is important for my LG accuracy. Please don’t hold me responsible if you find out it’s too big for you though because I have smallish hands. It also feels a bit heavier than the Abyssus, and I’ve never held a kinzu but I suspect the both « feel » lighter since they’re bigger. In my opinion it isn’t a disadvantage and I feel it gives more control over the mouse, while retaining the ability to move the mouse effortlessly and very quickly (not much intertia, makes hitting the good dogers in LG fights possible).

Also, the mico is my favorite mouse out of all the ones I’ve listed above. I’d consider it equal to a jitter-free abyssus, which unfortunately seems to be a gamble.

Hmm Interesting, although the Avago ADNS-3090 is a perfectly capable sensor with the correct firmware/srom.

I'm guessing that Pixart's offerings "work" and are much cheaper to purchase in bulk.

this mouse any good for palmers?

You mean the mico? Obviously not, check some of the comparison pics mate.

honestly i havent looked at it.

not unless you are a 3year old

i have really small hands :< its from balling them up iinto fists all the time when i was a kid.!!!!

I use a Logitech G1 mouse right now. Shape wise do you think I would be able to adjust to the Mico easily?

Definately but it might take some days if you been using the g1 for years

so how bad is the scrollwheel exactly? considering the functions i have binded to the scrollwheel in different games it would be important that i can consistently scroll the exact right amount of steps. the mouse seems to be very good in other regards but i'm worried about this.

considering the functions i have binded to the scrollwheel in different games it would be important that i can consistently scroll the exact right amount of steps.

bind mwheeldown "dropweapon;+button2;wait 5;-button2"
bind mwheelup "say )))))))))"

...
quake rules.

:D

Scroll wheel is awesome on mine, similar to the EC series.. except not bugged.

Hey guys I'm the fellow canadian that posted a review earlier. I'd just like to let you know that my scroll wheel started malfunctioning. It randomly stops scrolling, at first it happened for 1-2 seconds then it would start working again but this morning it happened for a minute or so. It seems to be a firmware problem, since I don't see why a mechanical component could stop working and then start activating the scroll wheel again a minute later.

I also had issues changing the DPI sometimes, even when the mouse wheel works the DPI won't change.

So beware, I might have received a 1 in 30000 defective mouse but it might be a problem that will start happening to more people.

The roccat kova+ has the "same" sensor, just one letter different in its model name - and the kova+ has a scrollwheel bug at 500hz, which is similar to what you describe (I have a kova+ but haven't tested 500hz yet). I don't know if it affects every kova+, and I don't know if the scroll wheel has anything to do with pixart, and if the problem is caused by the same thing, but it does seem fairly likely.

Maybe if you try to run the mouse at 1000hz it will stop the problem, theres a chance you won't be able to, but may be worth a shot :)

Its definately not the same sensor

Funnily enough I can already tell that this works. I know because it always took me like 4-5 tries to change the mouse DPI and always required a different number of scrolls (click down mouse 1 and 2 and roll the mwheel) but now it works instantly and it always takes the same amount of scrolling to change. I'll report back here if I get the bug again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark

Thanks! I'll try that and report back on it :D

I think its an optical scroll wheel, so if some moisture gets inside it can stop working.

Ok nevermind it still happens at 1000hz, I wonder if I can send it back to Zowie.

Ofcourse you can it shouldn't be a problem

Got it. No issues, great shape, wight and skates. Excellent sensor at 400.

After years of searching I have the perfect mouse and now I can start my pro quake career! just gonna read that "lol>ql" topic first and see what the fuzz is about....

FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmm, still no where to buy in NA. Only place that even lists it is amazon, but they show it as "currently unavailable".

According to zowie it should first be available around july 1st. Give it a few more days

Oh, thought I read somewhere (maybe up in the thread) about mid June. That's cool if it's released then though. Thanks!

If you don't mind paying 20 euros shipping I got mine delivered from the zowiegear website in 3 work days. The mouse is fucking solid but I came to the conclusion that I like the Abyssus more because it feels lighter (Abyssus is a bit bigger, but they're both the same weight, so it has less inertia).

So, did we establish whether the Mico has prediction or not?

And has anyone been able to measure maximum perfect tracking speed of this rodent?

It does have prediction, but the lowest amount of prediction I ever seen in a mouse that does have prediction

But prediction isn't really a con as many try to make it out to be

Prediction does matter if you don't like using it. Personally I think non-prediction mice feel more responsive. Why would you want a mouse that slightly alters your movement in a game so demanding as quake? Maybe prediction won't make you miss a ton of shots, but it can make you miss by a few pixels on angled shots.

I don't understand how these gaming companies keep getting it wrong. Give us a mouse that tracks at high speed, doesn't require drivers, has a low lod, and no +/- accel or prediction. The rest is all personal preference.

What about strenx and his heavily prediction mouse kinzu? :)))

Without divers installed Kinzu has very less prediction. He probably doest use drivers.

I once was very sure that mouse prediction was shit. But the fact is it can be helpfull in alot of situations where you have to move your mouse in a straight line (this is what you do with lg alot of the time). So its not that bad after all.

I personally dont like it.

Thats because you installed drivers. :)
If you installed drivers mouse is fucked forever.
Just use it out of box.

just got mine and its skipping like hell on my original icemat, same with the steelseries clone (whatever it is called)

:/

The mousepads fault, not the mouse

sure since all my razer and microsoft mice work just fine, even the shitty saitek whatisitcalled worked :>

hmm, got mine after a while of waiting now. anyway, sensor is really good. some prediction but not enough to bother me, as with for example logitech G1 which has way too much.
ok it really has unnoticable prediction at the speeds I move my arm/hand with, which is pretty twitchy and fast. no negative or positive accel. very nice.
materials are OK, did get some handsweat issue when it was really hot outside... but nowhere near DA for example.

one bigger problem IS however the liftoffdistance too high on my Artisan SHIDEN white mousemat. ARE there any mouseskates that would work with this mouse out yet? I compared quickly with my G1's feet and it just seems the Mico has a bit smaller... so that's not going to work I assume?

I don't wanna put some tape on the sensor cause when I did that with my abyssus it started reading the mousepad in an odd way.

not feeling at all like changing mousepad, cause the artisan is as perfect as it gets IMO!

any ideas appreciated really, thanks

Alright I decided to buy MiCO.
Any thoughts? Is it that good as people say here?

You've decided to buy it. Tell me how good it is when you get it.

Pixart sensor same as Pyra but better tracking I guess.
And better than Valor so.

Did you receive it yet ? I'm strongly looking for feedbacks aswell!

I ordered on 1st Aug. I emailed them last night. Here is reply...

Unfortunately we have run into holiday at our warehouse, which mean we currently cannot handle international orders. Your order will be shipped out on the 10th of august.

I am very sorry for the delay of your order and hope that it is not causing too much inconvenience.

Have a nice day :-)


Best regards,

Michael // ZOWIE GEAR Shop

//Oh what is warehouse holiday? Anyway it might take 3 to 5 days to get here after dispatch. So I have to wait 15 days almost to get my mouse :/ Atleast not 2 and half months like Valor.

Wow that sucks. You didn't try to buy it from a retailer? we have a french one here who has this mouse in stock and I'd get it in 48h.

At the very least, they should have warned you that the delay was that long before you actually pay for it.

Yep it sucks. I knew I wouldn't be that lucky to get in 5 days.
The reason they gave me about warehouse holiday doesn't make any sense to me.
Oh well I can wait but maybe they don't want customers coming back to buy from them.

Haven't received it I suppose? :)

I have got it 5 days and I cant seems to use it.

Sensor is not that good, I cant explain it. Sometimes it has prediction sometimes it hasn't. Tracking isn't like EC2. I try to draw straight lines and it draws diagonal lines (straight like prediction).

But I have really hard time to aim with it where I can aim pretty good with my DA black edition which is way too heavy for me. Not for me I think. Shape and weight is pretty good and its personal preference too. Cord is stiffer than I thought too.

I would say Valor tracks better than this and if they really release some new firmware for it.

That's weird after the few good comments about it.

Couldn't it be the surface? I'm sure you know how different a mouse can perform from one pad to another. I'm just saying..

Qck+ and Talent both pad same results on 400/800 dpi.
It prob will be better for quake players because it moves good up and down but when I try to move left and right it doesn't seem to have control.

i just tried it out, loving the sensor :D

I posted earlier about my Mico having a broken mouse wheel (it would stop working randomly), which also meant the DPI switch wouldn't work fine since it uses the mwheel.

I contacted Zowie and they replaced my Mico with no issues, and I'd like to remind everyone that the mouse is pretty awesome :D I guess I got unlucky with the first mouse because I haven't seen anyone else with a similar problem.

This mouse is my favorite mouse right now. For me it feels much more comfortable to grip the sides then when I used my abyssus. I heard a little squeaking from the scroll wheel but it seems to have went away. We shall see how it holds up. If it stays intact later on I don't think I will be looking for a new mouse down the road.

Wait for my honest review on this mouse which I will be getting in 10 to 15 days.

ordered a mico and abyssus... one of these should be suitable i think

Any more reports of the 1600dpi issue? Does it happen to everyone?

Yes its 1600 is broken even on the newer gen mico's.

I saw some mspaint lines of 1600dpi for the mico and it seemed fine. Could it be a pad issue?

Try to draw a straight line at 1600DPI in paint with the pencil when windows is set to 6/11. You can see that when your line isn't perfectly straight the line will jump two pixels instead of one like it should.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8004/micop.jpg

thats how it looks like. but its a good 400/800 DPI sensor.They just shouldn't sell it as a 1600 DPI mouse.

testet on roccat Alumic, razer Scarab and steelseries 4HD.

I had the person I'm getting the mico from test it, and it does have that problem at 1600 dpi. Oh well, 800 should be enough.

Needs a thumb-button.
BTW, MX310 best.

I can't believe someone was saying sensor is ok. It's total garbage, aims wherever it wants, million times less comfortable then wmo, it isnt even as smooth. Do not buy this mouse!