ESR - DreamHack Seeds and Groups

<< Comment #31 @ 05:13 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #9

ye man :(

<< Comment #7 @ 04:29 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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filo

... its gona be interesting to see TDM!!!

...also, DH should have a FFA tournament.

<< Comment #8 @ 04:29 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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incendiary

maybe i shouldnt be surprised by the noctis flag thing
maybe this is official

<< Comment #12 @ 04:33 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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baron Railgun ' - Reply to #8

shouldn't he.... shorter his flag?

<< Comment #11 @ 04:32 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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kg

coman mid-seed? Oo

<< Comment #13 @ 04:35 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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noctis

czm replaced stermy in duel?
and coman/colwn is midseed, wtf?

Edited by noctis at 04:36 CDT, 11 June 2011

<< Comment #19 @ 04:42 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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EddieF4 - Reply to #13

Beating 3 out of the top 4 seeded teams makes you midseed while being unproven gets you higher seeds.

<< Comment #101 @ 08:04 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #13

Ye man, I wonder about that too...wtf?!

<< Comment #14 @ 04:35 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Gladius

I wonder on what the tdm seeds are based. If previous performances are the criteria, there's no reason to place coman lower than UFX or the russians. Rather random.
But on the other hand, there are so many good teams, so it's bound to happen that you get a group like group C.

<< Comment #16 @ 04:38 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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WTFProoF?!

WTF?! Why I see czm in seedings/groups but not on the sign-up list and stermy on the sign-up list but not in the seedings/groups. Also when did cypher become 1/2 belgian and 1/2 dutch???

<< Comment #23 @ 04:50 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #16

Benelux instead of Belarus flag was given. They are very similar (bl and bn)

<< Comment #17 @ 04:39 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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PerpetualWar

Can't wait to watch TDM :)

<< Comment #18 @ 04:42 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Yavich

coman in mid seed = FAIL

<< Comment #20 @ 04:45 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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InDepther

on the other hand, the duel seeds seem right

<< Comment #21 @ 04:46 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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caesar_

coman mid seed is hilarious, where is stermy in duel?

<< Comment #22 @ 04:49 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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InDepther

guess which group is the group of Death

<< Comment #24 @ 04:56 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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kg

should be coman top, 4kings high, ufx mid

7%

<< Comment #25 @ 04:56 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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nude-fox

sux for ufx

<< Comment #26 @ 05:01 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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link1n

we, mid-seed?

lol? REALLY ?

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<< Comment #30 @ 05:11 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #26

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Edited by Bob at 17:44 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #39 @ 05:25 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #30

he's mainly focussing on tdm lately, so for me it's no big surprise that he would decide to drop 1on1.

<< Comment #145 @ 11:24 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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lolograde - Reply to #26

lmao@linkin

<< Comment #184 @ 16:13 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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vile_ - Reply to #26

I lol'd too.

<< Comment #27 @ 05:07 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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limity

no group of death in duels ?

<< Comment #34 @ 05:15 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #27

D

the best player in the world vs
the current best in shape player vs
the most creative and fun to watch vs
probably the most talented player

<< Comment #37 @ 05:18 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #34

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Edited by Bob at 17:44 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #41 @ 05:25 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #37

L O L

fazz is good enough to beat both rapha and av3k...

<< Comment #49 @ 05:48 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #41

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Edited by Bob at 17:44 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #68 @ 06:32 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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mefajpE^ - Reply to #49

yes he is.

<< Comment #89 @ 07:27 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #68

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Edited by Bob at 17:44 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #65 @ 06:25 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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burgonya - Reply to #41

definitely, but that doesn't mean he is going to

<< Comment #116 @ 09:32 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #65

it doesnt mean he will get raped

<< Comment #127 @ 09:53 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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burgonya - Reply to #116

i don't think so either.

<< Comment #348 @ 03:29 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #116

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Edited by Bob at 17:44 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #356 @ 05:30 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #348

i still disagree... he will steal maps from rapha and avek, unless both of them will be playing great

<< Comment #357 @ 05:36 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #356

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Edited by Bob at 17:44 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #359 @ 05:44 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #357

no its not

<< Comment #364 @ 06:10 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #359

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Edited by Bob at 17:44 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #365 @ 06:18 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #364

not really as u didnt think of bad luck factor... if u get shit spawn at beginning you need some time to get back in control... score 10-2 is quite ok then..

<< Comment #295 @ 10:58 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #37

lol, raped? u must be joking, right?

<< Comment #32 @ 05:13 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Bob

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Edited by Bob at 17:45 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #33 @ 05:14 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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GUArd

its week left and I still thinking going as spectator :)) Insane tourney to spec live!

<< Comment #216 @ 22:16 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #33

Be careful, i think they scan for hacks at the door.

<< Comment #306 @ 13:52 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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Yavich - Reply to #33

Why only spectator? You can play FFA!

<< Comment #36 @ 05:16 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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frs

you got our name wrong :( its xentaroariuram (xentorium)

Edited by frs at 05:21 CDT, 11 June 2011

<< Comment #42 @ 05:34 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Sulaco

coman is middle seed.
i lol'd.

<< Comment #38 @ 05:24 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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hitsu

hahahha strenx against buzz lightyear gonna be epic lol, as always :D

and wtf? why in signups we got strermy, while in groups and seeds theres czm? explain please

<< Comment #40 @ 05:25 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Kill_

gl UltraFragXtreme.us :) nice group you got there ;))

<< Comment #43 @ 05:38 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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occultum

Big test right at groupstage for US team.

<< Comment #44 @ 05:40 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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occultum

tbh i would prefer to see z4muz at duel rather than czm.

or .. someone else.

czm is in horrible shape considering what he was..

Edited by occultum at 05:40 CDT, 11 June 2011

<< Comment #45 @ 05:42 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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n1ghty - Reply to #44

he's got about one week now to get back into shape. don't count him out too early.

<< Comment #47 @ 05:45 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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occultum - Reply to #45

1 week to get at the top with the pros? lol.

And czm i've seen now won't bother.

<< Comment #46 @ 05:44 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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occultum

fazz has been playing well duel lately.. he can still upset at that group.. maybe.

and amai can actually go thro the group if he behaves correctly.. go amai!! \o

<< Comment #55 @ 05:54 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #46

amai have like 10% to pass group. he is good, but to low skill for such lan with different set of players.

<< Comment #61 @ 06:12 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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occultum - Reply to #55

yep i know i just want him to do well :|

<< Comment #212 @ 20:41 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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evilbollweevil - Reply to #55

the more "new" lan faces the better

<< Comment #48 @ 05:46 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Moai

nice groups

<< Comment #51 @ 05:52 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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stripy '

tbh not happy with TDM group C, and 1v1 group D

<< Comment #52 @ 05:52 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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rindo

jocko is slovakia too ;)

<< Comment #53 @ 05:53 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Jezper

not toxjq in duel, no gopher in tdm...fck :/

Edited by Jezper at 05:53 CDT, 11 June 2011

<< Comment #54 @ 05:53 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Dynamix

I don't think Cooller should really be a top seed for this tourney, he hasn't practiced duel and he doesn't know 2/5 maps.

<< Comment #67 @ 06:32 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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burgonya - Reply to #54

yea, i'd swap him with avek
and coman with xt or something

<< Comment #119 @ 09:38 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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JkoozeR - Reply to #54

Seeds are done by placements in last Tourneys or not ?
So its no wonder Cooller is topseed.. anyway u always have 2 count with Cooller even if he is not well prepared!

<< Comment #129 @ 09:53 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Boss___ - Reply to #54

wat?
cooller will most likely end up in the top 4, so definatly top seed

<< Comment #131 @ 09:59 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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palatka - Reply to #129

not with hektik and toxicity in pool

<< Comment #135 @ 10:21 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Boss___ - Reply to #131

I still think he will :)

we'll see soon enough

<< Comment #174 @ 14:59 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #129

Keep in mind that this time he is focusing on TDM only and duel won't matter for him. He may not even pass group stage. Or maybe he will actually win because of no emotional pressure.

Edited by p4r4 at 15:01 CDT, 11 June 2011

<< Comment #56 @ 05:56 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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kK_Storm

coman mid seed - say what?

czm instead of stermy - say what?

UFX / xt / dengionline.com (lolz, i think its their new sponsor or whatever) should be switched with coman.

<< Comment #58 @ 06:05 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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frs - Reply to #56

and why not alpha?

<< Comment #78 @ 07:06 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #58

Haven't thought much about it. Maybe because I checked recent srs practise games against TA. They had very close games even taking 1 or 2 maps from srs.

<< Comment #64 @ 06:22 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #56

UFX or the russians, really. We've seen xt and TA play.

<< Comment #57 @ 06:00 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Izi

lol@coman middle seed

<< Comment #60 @ 06:10 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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PYTON - Reply to #57

Indeed.

<< Comment #59 @ 06:09 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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stripy '

Imo the JeeSports DreamHack QL TDM Cup results should have been taken in to consideration. If i'm not mistaken it was:
1st. reason
2nd. colwn
3rd. metsu
4th. 4k
5th. team alpha

<< Comment #62 @ 06:14 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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zashael

Any news related to Tonys FFA tournament? :c

Edited by zashael at 06:17 CDT, 11 June 2011

<< Comment #66 @ 06:25 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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PerpetualWar

coman mid seed is indeed hilarious. Hopefully it will be fixed.

<< Comment #69 @ 06:38 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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mefajpE^

I don't like Group C coz I feel pity for Americans. I mean they fly across the world just to get raped in 4 maps by srs and tox and then go home? Cmon, give them a bit more chances to prove themselves by swamping them into other group with 3 teams :)

They would have more chances in any other group, but in group C they're doomed and fucked. I mean cmon DH admins, make some swamping to spice things up :) ---> FFA <--> UltraFragXtreme.us ;]

Also: LMAO@coman@middle.

Edited by mefajpE^ at 06:43 CDT, 11 June 2011

<< Comment #70 @ 06:41 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #69

Seeds are crap, but the groups are actually decent.

<< Comment #71 @ 06:42 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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mefajpE^ - Reply to #70

Tell that to US team :-]

<< Comment #72 @ 06:46 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #71

they should be mid seed.

tough luck. D:

<< Comment #80 @ 07:07 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #69

I totally agree with you. I would feel bad for americans if they didn't even reach the playoffs :(

<< Comment #83 @ 07:13 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #80

So they're supposed to get a group with MWC, Free for all and nerfed?

<< Comment #114 @ 09:04 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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ani - Reply to #83

As if they'd win vs us!

8%

<< Comment #73 @ 06:51 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Kost1k

Amai is wrong flag in Duel Signups

<< Comment #74 @ 06:52 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Kost1k

he is not russian

<< Comment #77 @ 07:00 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Anonymous (84.1.164.183)

top--coman
high-- srs
mid--russia

<< Comment #75 @ 06:56 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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T1E

great groups!

oh wait, that's seeds? lmfao

<< Comment #76 @ 06:57 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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faerie_

what the fuck is wrong with you people ?

<< Comment #79 @ 07:07 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Vium

weird seeds, that somehow created ok groups.

17%

<< Comment #82 @ 07:11 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Ffleri - Reply to #79

exactly.

<< Comment #81 @ 07:08 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Ffleri

Guys, let me explain something to you, I mean duel groups are perfect. You know why? Becouse we will have the best quarters and semis ever. In all of duel groups there are two players who will come out on 90%.

If we will have death group like (example):

Rapha
Cypher
Strenx
Av3k

And other group like (example):

Zsx
Garpy
Evil
Madix

There will be two players who did not come out. So we will loose two great players and semis will be like: Rapha vs Zsx (for example), and match like that will be so booooring, becouse it's 3:0 for rapha or other player who came out from that death group.

But now if he have groups like that it's good becouse the worse players will just fall of in groups, and there will stay only good players for finals. And in quarters or semis we will watch greatest matches like Rapha vs Cypher or other players who are two first in their group.

Edited by Ffleri at 07:10 CDT, 11 June 2011

<< Comment #84 @ 07:14 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #81

I don't think anyone is complaining about the duel groups.

<< Comment #85 @ 07:18 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Ffleri - Reply to #84

TDM situation looks almost the same...

And also who cares about seeds? Only groups matters really.

Edited by Ffleri at 07:18 CDT, 11 June 2011

<< Comment #86 @ 07:20 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #85

Are you that filo guy brother? Jesus...

<< Comment #87 @ 07:21 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #85

True. Would be nice to get one more team though.

<< Comment #90 @ 07:28 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #85

To be more clear: seeds affects groups. In each group we have team from each seed: top, high, middle, low. C'mon, use your brain sometimes.

<< Comment #94 @ 07:32 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Ffleri - Reply to #90

That's what about I was talking...

<< Comment #95 @ 07:36 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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twister - Reply to #90

Well in this case most people seem to want to switch coman and ufx which would not change anything about the group situationfor example. Not to say seeds are good but changing them prolly would result with about the same groups :D

<< Comment #88 @ 07:24 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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TUMULT

who made these seeds?! 2 or 3x winner of dh below guy who never been in final at this event? such joke. also C in tdm is just ridiculous unfair compare to other groups, especially when they get some superpower swe mix. it better has some changes before start.

<< Comment #91 @ 07:28 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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caesar_

why is strenx above av3k, av3k is proven LAN winner. strenx is all hype so far

<< Comment #92 @ 07:30 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #91

why is cooller above avek? give it a rest, groups are decent

<< Comment #110 @ 08:48 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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caesar_ - Reply to #92

because he beat him at iem euro? i know i know, just sayin

<< Comment #96 @ 07:38 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #91

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Edited by Bob at 17:45 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #147 @ 11:29 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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rapha - Reply to #96

afaik spart1e has been in 3 LAN finals. Yet hasn't won one yet.

<< Comment #151 @ 12:01 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #147

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Edited by Bob at 17:45 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #154 @ 12:09 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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caesar_ - Reply to #147

well he won one eswc masters no? i know its q3 but still. although yeah strenx has definitely been the better player last couple of years.

gl

<< Comment #156 @ 12:16 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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duumed - Reply to #154

spartie was 2nd at masters of athens

5%

<< Comment #157 @ 12:21 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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caesar_ - Reply to #156

oh okay, i was wrong. who won?

<< Comment #160 @ 12:35 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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duumed - Reply to #157

rapha

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CLains - Reply to #160

lolled

<< Comment #117 @ 09:35 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #91

strenx isnt all hype, even top players admit he's got the skills to rape them... hes got some mental problems thus he's always ending up being 3rd

<< Comment #208 @ 19:52 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #117

cmon dude, the word is french ;D

7%

<< Comment #243 @ 05:10 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #208

:D

le shaft, le surrender

<< Comment #372 @ 09:23 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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mkeiy - Reply to #208

hahaha lol

<< Comment #233 @ 02:50 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #91

Maybe czm, evil, k1llsen and DaHang should be in top seeds as LAN winners?

<< Comment #98 @ 07:42 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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gut

coman mid seed is a joke?

<< Comment #99 @ 07:44 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Silencep

lolled

<< Comment #102 @ 08:12 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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cha0z_

Coman mid seed lmao. Also why czm instead of stermy?

<< Comment #103 @ 08:18 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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rizzah

Unlucky ufx!

B/D seem the most interesting, hope action can upset the ruski's and go thorugh ;)))

also xt & dignitas should be interesting, see who makes the playoffs but I think A/C are all but decided before they begin.

<< Comment #104 @ 08:26 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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ffx

3rd @ IEM EU finals
3rd @ IEM Global finals
3rd @ MSI Beat it
3rd @ UGC finals
4th @ Dreamhack

For those who find strenx's top seed ridiculous. Morons ...

Edited by ffx at 08:26 CDT, 11 June 2011

9%

<< Comment #105 @ 08:27 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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madix

Notice how I got in the same group as strenx for the fourth offline tournament in a row :)

Dubai, Dreamhack, EU finals kiev, UGC and now DH again.

<< Comment #108 @ 08:38 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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parrradize - Reply to #105

Actually 5th offline tournament in a row :)

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squishy - Reply to #105

I think Spartie and Cooller have had a nice run of same groups aswell ?

<< Comment #122 @ 09:45 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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/rage quit - Reply to #105

yeah...and when you'll be as good as strenx you'll get out of the group.:)

<< Comment #123 @ 09:46 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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/rage quit - Reply to #105

yeah...and when you'll be as good as strenx you'll get out of the group.:)

<< Comment #107 @ 08:35 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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stunt.us

told ya UFX is going to get raped. BOOK IT.

<< Comment #111 @ 08:48 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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caesar_ - Reply to #107

america as a nation will end

<< Comment #126 @ 09:52 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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dlx - Reply to #107

no, they will analize everything like a boss and win!

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Anonymous (71.251.34.194) - Reply to #126

analize? homo

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Venim - Reply to #107

We got this don't trip...

<cringes>

<< Comment #264 @ 08:26 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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stunt.us - Reply to #224

LOL OMG LOL

<< Comment #115 @ 09:07 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Anonymous (79.184.15.172)

I don't understand. dm6 is not in the mappool, so why strenx is top seeded?

<< Comment #132 @ 10:05 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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EddieF4 - Reply to #115

Strenx has been placing 3rd consistently. Why shouldn't he be top seeded?

<< Comment #120 @ 09:44 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Trance

ufx as high is bad.

coman as mid is bad.

my 2c.

And who did czm replace in the duel tourney?

<< Comment #121 @ 09:45 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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frs - Reply to #120

agreed, but the groups would stay the same as they are even with the switch so it doesnt matter.. i dont think theres anything wrong with the groups

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Trance - Reply to #121

just saying if the draw would have been made with those seeds it could have been different. I guess it's not that big of a tragedy in the end.

<< Comment #128 @ 09:53 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Boss___

coman should be high seed (at least) tbh

<< Comment #125 @ 09:51 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Nukm

poor fazz he was doing so well and now he needs to get out of a group with av3k and rapha :(

and yes, coman as mid seeds is crazy, i really think that they will take first place in group c though and ufx/srs have to fight for second. would be a shame if the americans dont even reach the playoffs, but lets see what shape they are in

<< Comment #130 @ 09:58 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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draven-

Seeds at TDM are horrible haha, but the groups are pretty fine :)

<< Comment #163 @ 13:12 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Anonymous (212.233.143.100) - Reply to #130

vote for pedro

<< Comment #143 @ 11:00 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Izi - Reply to #130

are u drunk ?

Edited by Izi at 11:01 CDT, 11 June 2011

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #130

Are u drunked?

<< Comment #138 @ 10:35 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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kalston

With so many players I like attending, it should be.. awesome!

<< Comment #139 @ 10:43 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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EmSixTeen

Surprised there's no talk about toxjq not being in the duel list. Gutted.

<< Comment #141 @ 10:55 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #139

well it was talked about already in the initial "attending list" announcement
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2086036

Edited by Nukm at 10:55 CDT, 11 June 2011

<< Comment #142 @ 10:59 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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EmSixTeen - Reply to #141

Ah, yeah, I see.

<< Comment #140 @ 10:43 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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PURRI

Good luck to all teams, and see you at Dreamhack! :)

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<< Comment #146 @ 11:26 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Mellow

czm isn't listed in the Duel Signups, but he's entered?

Also, it's colwn, not coman (colwn = cu on lan warp nudge)

<< Comment #155 @ 12:10 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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s3cco - Reply to #146

While stermy has signed up, but isn't listed in the seeds/groups? *scratches head*

also, lmao@colwnmidseed

<< Comment #172 @ 14:53 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #155

It's invintational tournament, which means that it is filled by admins initiative, they talk to best players and invite them. Signups is just list of people for admins to consider if they cannot fill the slots otherwise, i.e. it's the last place where they will look.

Edited by p4r4 at 14:55 CDT, 11 June 2011

<< Comment #148 @ 11:43 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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outspoken

awesome fkn groups!!! O_O

<3

<< Comment #150 @ 11:47 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Fejl(Folklore)

Where can I find the duel map pool:S?

<< Comment #152 @ 12:02 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Trick Troll - Reply to #150

http://dh.playdh.com/event/dreamhack-summer-2...30/#/rules

§9. Map pool • Lost World• Furious Heights • Aerowalk• Hektik• Toxicity

<< Comment #153 @ 12:05 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #152

no ztn no fun

<< Comment #169 @ 14:24 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #153

-dm13
+ztn

<< Comment #170 @ 14:39 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #169

3 aimwhorish maps not wery

<< Comment #186 @ 16:23 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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LukKe - Reply to #152

bah, no ztn? my interest in this duel tournament suddenly dropped by 32% :(

<< Comment #209 @ 20:07 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Fejl(Folklore) - Reply to #152

Thanks!

<< Comment #158 @ 12:26 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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limity

still hektik omg -hektik and + ztn

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<< Comment #159 @ 12:27 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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burgonya - Reply to #158

-hub +ztn

<< Comment #165 @ 13:22 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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T1E - Reply to #159

how about ztn, dm13, t7, t4, t9? :>

<< Comment #173 @ 14:54 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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palatka - Reply to #165

-t4 +dm6 |]

<< Comment #191 @ 16:54 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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nvc - Reply to #173

-t9 + dm6

<< Comment #195 @ 18:18 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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lolograde - Reply to #191

-ql + cpm

<< Comment #199 @ 18:37 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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0x5f3759df - Reply to #195

lolograde where the hell have you been

<< Comment #331 @ 18:36 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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lolograde - Reply to #199

doin stuff =\

wish I could play more

<< Comment #196 @ 18:19 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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incanu7 - Reply to #191

-dm6 + t9

<< Comment #166 @ 13:32 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #158

Agree -hekshit +ztn

<< Comment #198 @ 18:33 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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StywoO - Reply to #158

+t4, +ztn, keep hektik, pick first

<< Comment #161 @ 12:57 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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occultum

Stermy already said like a week ago he was thinking about not participating at duel cup coz he has not been practicing correctly duel due to personal reasons or something :(

Edited by occultum at 12:58 CDT, 11 June 2011

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ischju - Reply to #161

or crappy internet :x

<< Comment #162 @ 13:12 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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ia

Based on names only, Coman is the definite favorite. Based on experience and teamwork, I'd say 4Kings or Reason.

UFX could definitely have a decent showing with more practice, but they have a lot of ground to make up in a very short amount of time.

<< Comment #164 @ 13:21 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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crv

Middle Seed
doctor))) +1
action
coman

What else ?

<< Comment #167 @ 13:40 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #164

Middle Seed
doctor))) +1
action
coman
dignitas

?

<< Comment #168 @ 14:11 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Heartlesss

strenx 2nd this time ?

go strenx \o/

<< Comment #218 @ 23:19 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Anonymous (90.61.213.49) - Reply to #168

:D btw shame on tox, he refused to play duel tournament ! btw wasup with medications?

<< Comment #250 @ 06:04 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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Heartlesss - Reply to #218

i'm stil on meds, but not at the hospital anymore :>

<< Comment #402 @ 07:55 CDT, 15 June 2011 >>

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horf - Reply to #250

LG aim coming back slowly?

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Heartlesss - Reply to #402

i'm not sure

i just can't fail @ irl anymore

<< Comment #404 @ 09:08 CDT, 15 June 2011 >>

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horf - Reply to #403

hmmmmm

<< Comment #171 @ 14:51 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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p4r4

Completely silly to argue about TDM seeds, because there was never a LAN TDM tournament before, so there is zero information to base seeds on. That team A beat team B in some noob league online doesn't mean shit on LAN.

Edited by p4r4 at 14:51 CDT, 11 June 2011

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ScanX - Reply to #171

let's not seed at all then ?

silly

<< Comment #177 @ 15:15 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Ffleri - Reply to #175

He doesn't say to not seed, he said that crying and talking about that how bad seeds are is stupid becouse of that we don't know how good teams are. And we we can't evaluate actual tdm scene basing on some online tournaments ..

Edited by Ffleri at 15:17 CDT, 11 June 2011

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maltyplaya - Reply to #177

He's wasn't implying p4r4 said not to seed at all, he is suggesting it himself.

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vor_ - Reply to #171

That's an absurdly stupid way of looking at it. Thinking that way it may as well be fully random and end up with a group like: Coman, Reason, 4K, Serious. 'Coz dey aint none of em plaid on LAN yer?

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<< Comment #181 @ 15:49 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #178

And what would be wrong with that group?
If you want to make a point, make it explicit pls.

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vor_ - Reply to #181

Doesn't even warrant a reply.

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Anonymous (71.251.34.194) - Reply to #183

And yet you replied. Brilliant!

<< Comment #188 @ 16:48 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #183

If there is something that you think is so obvious that it alone instantly qualifies my argument as an absurdly stupid, but you cannot formulate that simple and obvious thing, then it may not be actually obvious at all.

Edited by p4r4 at 16:55 CDT, 11 June 2011

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dlx - Reply to #188

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw

<< Comment #230 @ 01:53 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #225

Thanks for your most valuable input.

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ScanX - Reply to #230

wow you are so stupid

If you can't understand that despite having no LAN competition in past as reference, it is still very clear that some teams (mainly those Vor named) are big favourites given their past online results (therefore requiring proper seeding) then I guess you dunno shit about TDM/quake/gaming

Funniest is that u say that online doesn't mean shit then a couple of posts below u mention online results to claim that evil is better than some other players

Really please stop posting, you're ridiculous

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p4r4 - Reply to #262

If you can't understand that despite having no LAN competition in past as reference, it is still very clear that some teams (mainly those Vor named) are big favourites given their past online results

Again you are speaking of something "very clear" that anyone who knows shit about QL should understand. Let's suppose that I don't know shit about QL. Can you formulate and explain this very clear thing for me, that implies that some teams will be big favourites?

then a couple of posts below u mention online results to claim that evil is better than some other players

That's for duel, and it's not online results only.
For duel we already have seen many LAN and online tournaments so we have some data to approximate the relation between the two.

Edited by p4r4 at 08:38 CDT, 12 June 2011

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ScanX - Reply to #269

"Again you are speaking of something "very clear" that anyone who knows shit about QL should understand. Let's suppose that I don't know shit about QL. Can you formulate and explain this very clear thing for me, that implies that some teams will be big favourites?"

lol are u that thick ?

some teams have been dominating the online competitions in TDM therefore they should be considered as favourites on LAN, period

That's just Tournament organisation 101 really, anyone with half a brain should understand that

"That's for duel, and it's not online results only.
For duel we already have seen many LAN and online tournaments so we have some data to approximate the relation between the two."

Ah, so it's ok to use online results for duel but not for TDM ?
And where have u seen evil vs demon on LAN since u've been comparing those 2 ?

I really shouldn't be wasting my time with you cause I haven't seen a single post of you that makes sense

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p4r4 - Reply to #275

some teams have been dominating the online competitions in TDM therefore they should be considered as favourites on LAN, period

Some teams have dominated the online competitions in basketball, therefore they should be considered as favourites on TDM LAN, period. See, those kinds of statements are not obvious at all, you can't just assert that they're true. If we change "basketball" to "online TDM", the structure of the statement will remain the same, it won't become obvious just because we change one parameter.
Of course you will now say, LOL you moron, online TDM vs LAN TDM is not the same at all as basketball vs TDM! But if you think about it, that statement again is not an obvious one, and it too needs reasoning, otherwise it's just some dogma that you blindly believe, not knowing what the actual reality is.

Ah, so it's ok to use online results for duel but not for TDM ?
And where have u seen evil vs demon on LAN since u've been comparing those 2 ?

Yes it's ok, and I explained why. I can repeat if you find reading too hard: "For duel we already have seen many LAN and online tournaments so we have some data to approximate the relation between the two". Not the same at all for TDM, because there were no LAN TDM QL tourneys.
That we didn't have direct match-up between them on LAN doesn't mean we can't compare their performance. For example, there probably wasn't a match between cooller and demon on LAN either, but that doesn't prevent us from putting cooller in top seed and demon in lower seed.

<< Comment #303 @ 12:21 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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ScanX - Reply to #300

omg definitely not battling anymore vs such foul 'logic'

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p4r4 - Reply to #303

You weren't battling before either.
You just pulled out some statements out of your ass and when asked why you think they are true, all the arguments you could think of were like "anyone with half a brain can understand that".

Anyone with half a brain can understand that god exists. Anyone with half a brain can understand that the Earth is 6000 years old. Anyone with half a brain can understand that online TDM results can be a basis for LAN TDM seeds. It's all same kind of statements really. If you think the last one does not belong here at all, then you should remember that there were times, when first two were believed by many average normal people as absolute truth, and if you asked those people, why do you believe that the Earth is 6000 years old, they would reply: "LOL, anyone with half a brain can understand that".

Edited by p4r4 at 04:03 CDT, 13 June 2011

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ScanX - Reply to #352

hope u watched dreamhack so u realise how silly your reasoning was from the start

<< Comment #416 @ 22:40 CDT, 19 June 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #415

And how Dreamhack disproved it?

<< Comment #308 @ 14:06 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #300

In your head,..its not all there :(

<< Comment #353 @ 04:04 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #308

Of course. Earth is 6000 years old. If you think otherwise, then in your head, it's not all there. How could anyone even think that Earth is not 6000 years old? Of course it's 6000 years old, just as online TDM totally means a lot on LAN as well.

Edited by p4r4 at 04:05 CDT, 13 June 2011

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davis - Reply to #178

It's p4r4. 'Nuff said.

<< Comment #179 @ 15:31 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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GEKKO-

czm vs Cooller! \o/

<< Comment #180 @ 15:47 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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esdf '

rofl, how is evil mid seed and demon low seed? are you guys crazy? based on what facts evil gets better seed then dmn?

could say the same for madix or even czm, who in ql is just a shell of a man that used to rape in q3. some nicely biased admins you have there.

<< Comment #182 @ 16:00 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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twister - Reply to #180

...why would evil not be seeded above dem0n?

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dem0n - Reply to #180

who cares, i like my group anyway !

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<< Comment #190 @ 16:54 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #180

For example: evil won ZOTAC twice and in Q3 times was winning multiple LAN tourneys defeating the likes of cooller or b100.death many times.
dem0n: just some CTF/FFA player who occasionally plays duels, never won anything, never finished at high places.

Edited by p4r4 at 16:56 CDT, 11 June 2011

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ffx - Reply to #190

Oh he won an ONLINE cup twice. IMPRESSIVE.

That team A beat team B in some noob league online doesn't mean shit on LAN.

Your own words ;)

Q3 times was winning multiple LAN tourneys defeating the likes of cooller

So did czm and we all know the result :/. But yeah the russians will easy peasy win both duel and tdm because of their great lan experience and coolness. I mean cooller is the guy who has so much experience that he doesn't choke in important games *cough* iem finals *cough*

Edited by ffx at 21:01 CDT, 11 June 2011

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p4r4 - Reply to #213

dem0n has won nothing, neither LAN, nor online, and never showed any results at all. It's not about absolute results, it's about comparison between them.

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esdf ' - Reply to #217

he won iem5 quali, to add to it - he was in finals vs stermy, unlike evil winning 2 zotacs when no one good was playing :)

stop hating.

<< Comment #349 @ 03:34 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #309

I respect dem0n, he is great player, but you are realy dumb :)))))

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<< Comment #360 @ 05:54 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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esdf ' - Reply to #349

let's see who's dumb after the group stages of dh.

p.s., why do you even think you have any right to talk to me, you 3rd world lithuanian?

<< Comment #369 @ 07:36 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #360

oh ,sorry my lord, I will never ever ever will reply to your post. sorry again ... sorry!

<< Comment #185 @ 16:21 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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vile_

So Reason/Serious/Metsu(-Juven1le) all being smashed by coman recently means nothing? GREAT seeds.

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nightops - Reply to #185

Why - juvenile?

<< Comment #204 @ 19:11 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #202

.

Edited by Bob at 17:45 CDT, 26 June 2024

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h8m3 - Reply to #204

he did play on the 1st day, but had kinda unusual role

Edited by h8m3 at 19:40 CDT, 11 June 2011

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EddieF4 - Reply to #206

As disrepute and vor said, metsu getting strenx meant getting one of the best aim players but they had to fit him into the team and he became their powerup runner, a role that juvenile played for months before.

<< Comment #197 @ 18:28 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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jamalz

I don't like Group D for duel.
Fazz is good but facing av3k/rapha is fucked
ZSX is good but facing av3k/rapha is fucked

I'd trade Madix for fazz.

Madix is fodder, so have him with the rape boys.

Fazz vs dahang for 2nd in that group is $$$$.

I would trade ZSX with demon, since demon is fodder too.

ZSX vs 'no prac new maps' cooller/spartie the choker / CZM the rusted.

is pretty $ too

Edited by jamalz at 18:29 CDT, 11 June 2011

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dem0n - Reply to #197

to say i'm fodder I can agree with.

But to rate fazz/zsx so much higher than madix or me is a joke

Edited by dem0n at 18:50 CDT, 11 June 2011

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jamalz - Reply to #200

Fazz is very inventive and his pt4 play is really sweet. And has good rockets.
ZSX has sick dodging and sick hitscan aim.

madix has good aim.?
Demon has.. nice ...shoes.?

;o

<< Comment #211 @ 20:24 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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zealot - Reply to #201

stfu.?

<< Comment #214 @ 21:04 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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ffx - Reply to #201

I'm not really a big fan of dem0n but imo he shits on zsx. (in his current form)

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scowl - Reply to #201

his pt4 play is really sweet

That's a really good point considering t4 isn't in the map pool.

<< Comment #203 @ 19:10 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Anonymous (90.228.205.98)

Juvenile aint coming to LAN. :D Its 100%

Apperently he has got a disease

<< Comment #205 @ 19:23 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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Disrepute ' - Reply to #203

cheatitis?

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<< Comment #223 @ 00:39 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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dlx - Reply to #205

r u drunked?

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Tayski - Reply to #223

I like how your poor English made your flame attempt a big fail :)

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dlx - Reply to #384

u r obv drunked.

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Tayski - Reply to #387

how many posts does it take to make you realise "drunked" isn't a word?

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dlx - Reply to #388

how many posts does it take to make you realise it is a quote of pure epicness of esr from the last week?

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Tayski - Reply to #393

sorry I don't read esr 24/7 :(

<< Comment #237 @ 03:26 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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exp! - Reply to #203

UNEXPECTED.

ROFL

<< Comment #207 @ 19:51 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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gSTRUCTOR '

well balanced groups, congrats dreamhack

<< Comment #219 @ 23:45 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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snob

That most wanted team made me think of the T:V team of the same name.

On another note, it's strange that k1llsen wasn't seeded top based on his last performance at dreamhack winter.

<< Comment #220 @ 23:51 CDT, 11 June 2011 >>

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luanswan2002

This...

Edited by luanswan2002 at 23:52 CDT, 11 June 2011

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InDepther - Reply to #220

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pls bring it back. This site needs it now more than ever.

<< Comment #256 @ 07:00 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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0x5f3759df - Reply to #220

thats pretty fucked up but i giggled.

btw rapha looks kinda cute last pic (no homo)

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jamalz - Reply to #256

if he can wiggle his ears he might be able to lift off

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incanu7 - Reply to #220

that's too bad.
with rapha's positioning, cooller's delay and avek's pace; the sex should leave any girl stunned.

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<< Comment #221 @ 00:12 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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Tayski

coman mid seed? wtf?
they have toxjq an absolute tdm beast same for linkje and winz and stermy are awesome as well, if you watch the jeesports tdm tourney vod's you clearly see they aren't mid-seed :S
on the other hand at least we're going to get some insane group matches in Group C with coman, srs, and the yankies, that's defo gonna be worth a watch :)

also for the duel map pool, as a spectator I'd definitely would want lost world replaced by ztn. lost world is just so boring to watch :/

Edited by Tayski at 00:14 CDT, 12 June 2011

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mavLP - Reply to #221

and ztn isn't?

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erok - Reply to #222

i'd say ztn produces more entertaining matches than dm13, although both are on the lower end percentage wise for having good matches...although dm13 is one of the most balanced maps, it produces maybe 1 to 2 entertaining matches a tournament...

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p4r4 - Reply to #227

It's not "most balanced", it's just the easiest for player who is out of control.

<< Comment #267 @ 08:33 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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ia - Reply to #227

In my opinion dm13 is the best duel map as it emphasises error-less play more than any of the others. However, it's been around forever, and maybe the time has come to see a pool with two new maps replacing dm13 and aero.

If QL were all popular and stuff, ideally the map pool should completely rotate every year.

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Anonymous (68.119.219.54) - Reply to #221

IMO, purely speaking from a spectator's point of view, while ztn and dm13 are both pretty boring to watch, dm13 is actually a little more entertaining to spectate for me personally. Generally seems like there are more encounters and it's easier for a player to catch the opponent out than it is on ztn. There are of course those rare matches on both maps that end up being really intense and amazing and suspenseful, but in general they're both pretty boring to watch, and dm13 is actually a little more exciting for me than ztn. And I agree abouth those group c tdm mattches. Going to be insane! Can't wait!

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stunt.us - Reply to #221

r u stupid? we didnt send no fcking baseball team.

on a side noted. ufx is getting crushed.

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Tayski - Reply to #265

yanks / yankies
whatever, same shit to me :)

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stunt.us - Reply to #385

flew over ur head.

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Anonymous (90.61.213.49) - Reply to #221

lol, u wrong

tox is med player, nothing special to see here, he might be good in Q4, but hey, it's QL that we are talking about

link is pretty low too, +back, rail, camp, very weak LG, avoid close figth... very bad in duel

winz random with correct aim and shit moves

stermy, slow playing style, rail and that's about it.

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Trance - Reply to #291

wow you win the clueless post of the month award.

Edited by Trance at 11:51 CDT, 12 June 2011

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retire - Reply to #301

you win the "got trolled post of the month" award :d

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Trance - Reply to #332

dude, you never know with them frenchies.

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faerie_ - Reply to #347

true dat. let me insist on the (90.61.213.49) part of that post though :p

Edited by faerie_ at 03:48 CDT, 13 June 2011

<< Comment #226 @ 01:36 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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fuzz

czm!Q!!!!!!!!!!

can't wait for this, fantastic attendant list, should be fantastic tournament

<< Comment #228 @ 01:45 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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Shardik

bc strenx

<< Comment #231 @ 02:09 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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exelf

wtf what happened with stermy?

<< Comment #232 @ 02:43 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #231

TDM > duel, bitch!

<< Comment #235 @ 03:19 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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CLains

predictianz

coman
reason
ultrafrag
dengi
metsu

rapha
av3k
cooller
cypher
strenx

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CLains - Reply to #235

I love how out of tune ultrafrag is when you read those in order :D

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p4r4 - Reply to #235

1. dengi
2. coman
3. reason

1. strenx
2. cypher
3. rapha

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CLains - Reply to #238

challenge accepted

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0x5f3759df - Reply to #238

reverse the 3's and the 1's and i'd agree

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kg - Reply to #260

you too have faith in the ruskis?

<< Comment #263 @ 08:13 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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0x5f3759df - Reply to #261

slight

<< Comment #239 @ 04:03 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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tony

ffa low seed?!?!??!?!

shame!!

:D

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<< Comment #245 @ 05:30 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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Attyla7 - Reply to #239

i loled :D

<< Comment #242 @ 04:45 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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marle

Go catch them all ani

<< Comment #246 @ 05:32 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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Mav_

1. TDM seeds are a joke and as a consequence group C is simply unfortunate - one of the teams that all could probably end in top4 will be out of the tournament too early.
2. I really feel sorry for fazz, since he is probably the most unlucky Quake Live player thus far. Always facing people like rapha or av3k in early stages of the tournament and still giving great performances.
3. The pic from #224 is epic.

<< Comment #251 @ 06:07 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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Spart1e - Reply to #246

Ever saw my groups I use/d to have? :)

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atomigo - Reply to #251

poolr little spartie-boy :)
are you drunked? (c) debtorr

<< Comment #258 @ 07:08 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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Spart1e - Reply to #255

But I am quite happy about my group for this tournament. First time in a long long time.
No I am not. Tho I have been that alot on sundays. But those days are over since I am getting older...

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Anonymous (93.72.204.180) - Reply to #258

http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04...thing.html

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dansen

TDM seeds may look stupid. but they are correct.

teams who have shown results and have been around for a while get top seeds. new teams do not get top seeds.

even if you know that coman are a top contender, just because they have 4 allstar players and have beaten tons of good teams in recent events does not mean they deserver to go into the tournament with a head start.

they are a new team and thus do not deserve top seed.

Edited by dansen at 05:37 CDT, 12 June 2011

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cha0z_ - Reply to #247

Most of the teams changed their line up just now for dreamhack, I don't see with what they are different from colwn.
Edit: And putting team that most likely will play in the final in mid seed is a joke.

Edited by chaos.spwnrpd at 05:45 CDT, 12 June 2011

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Disrepute ' - Reply to #247

Actually its wrong because it disadvantages the other high seeds in the group play.

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kg - Reply to #247

what about UFX? are they an old team which has proved they can play?

Edited by kg at 06:17 CDT, 12 June 2011

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Trance - Reply to #253

^ this.

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Bob - Reply to #247

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Edited by Bob at 17:45 CDT, 26 June 2024

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draven- - Reply to #254

srs is basically polish nations team... who played for years together... its just west beeing replaced by silencep cause he broke his hand

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Bob - Reply to #268

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Edited by Bob at 17:45 CDT, 26 June 2024

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draven- - Reply to #272

poland has been like top3 in last tdm nations cups ... except enc were they became 5th/6th orsomething?

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Bob - Reply to #277

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Edited by Bob at 17:45 CDT, 26 June 2024

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draven- - Reply to #278

Im just saying you said there a new team, while they are not...

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Bob - Reply to #279

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Edited by Bob at 17:45 CDT, 26 June 2024

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draven- - Reply to #281

still they aint a new team... dont know what your trying to proof ... :)

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atomigo - Reply to #285

are you drunked?

<< Comment #249 @ 05:51 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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McFly

UltraFragXtreme ?

Did someone steal my DeLorean again and transported this clan name here from 1995?

<< Comment #266 @ 08:32 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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stunt.us - Reply to #249

LOL U MADE A NEW NAME TO TRY AND MAKE A JOKE BUT NOBODY NOTICES IT. FAIL.

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McFly - Reply to #266

You noticed it, thanks! \o/
And I've been registered under this name since 2004.

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Slajer - Reply to #249

Prolly meant as a joke.. you know being American and all :)

They like to use words like "extreme" to make something seem more appealing.

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Sellya

FML :( Dignitas are done for again :S
Hopefully Madix can do something amazing and get past group, shame Garpy and Zsx are against such tough people (saying that, who isn't?)

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madix - Reply to #274

I think that it would be a miracle if I managed to. I work 200+hours each month and in this country unless you're playing sc2 "pro" gaming is unrealistic unless you're a slacker living off others.

zsx and garpy are way stronger than me so I think you should put your faith in them :)

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Bob - Reply to #280

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Edited by Bob at 17:46 CDT, 26 June 2024

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madix - Reply to #282

hm? you make no sense

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Bob - Reply to #283

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Edited by Bob at 17:46 CDT, 26 June 2024

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kg - Reply to #284

if you can live on the money, it's pro

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Bob - Reply to #286

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Edited by Bob at 17:46 CDT, 26 June 2024

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madix - Reply to #288

You forget salaries and extra for doing sponsor work. Also the streams players have up generate money aswell.

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madix - Reply to #288

SjoW $29,116.00
Jinro $26,880.00
Naniwa $19,555.00
MorroW $16,339.00
ThorZaIN $15,985.00
( Updated: 06/12/2011 )

This is not including salaries and other stuff like streaming etc.
Also I never said anything about having to earn the money in Sweden or Europe because pro gaming is about travelling and competing obviously.

But they are _Swedish_ sc2 pro gamers and they can live off it and that was my point.

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TheWalker - Reply to #294

where did you get that information?

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madix - Reply to #318

+3000 dollar on nani cuz he just won black dragon league :c
http://ehcg.djgamblore.com/

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TheWalker - Reply to #319

Thank you!

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Bob - Reply to #294

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Edited by Bob at 17:46 CDT, 26 June 2024

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madix - Reply to #328

It's hard to know when someone is mentally challenged or simply trolling but it's definitely a bit of both in this case.

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Bob - Reply to #334

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Edited by Bob at 17:46 CDT, 26 June 2024

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faerie_ - Reply to #346

divide it by 12, retard. You won't find a place in the world where that's considered shit income except maybe monaco and a few oil rigs.

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Bob - Reply to #350

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Edited by Bob at 17:46 CDT, 26 June 2024

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faerie_ - Reply to #354

london.

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InDepther - Reply to #354

I was going to say that it is too much for a graduate, even for London, but then noticed the $ sign. $42k is about right. The pound seems like has regained some strenght. $42k is like 26k pounds ($ pawned).

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Tayski - Reply to #354

$29k is enough to live in London (unless of course you have kids, a car, and rent a flat/house on your own)
Now I assume those pro sc2 players madix mentioned are quite young, don't have kids, and probably either still live at their parents or share a flat/house with other people.

<< Comment #287 @ 10:31 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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MindTheGap - Reply to #284

no clue

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madix - Reply to #284

- We have a progaming house and players that can rival the koreans.
- The best players from Sweden make enough money to live from it.
- The growth of dreamhack and how they treat sc2. ( DH invitational )

That is professional enough for me.

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atomigo - Reply to #292

maybe you should switch games and train 100quadriollion houres to become as good as they are...
sc2 rox btw. so does ql! :)

<< Comment #298 @ 11:42 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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madix - Reply to #297

Both games are brilliant but I wish ID could learn a lesson from blizzard and care a bit more about their own game.

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esdf ' - Reply to #298

sc2 is nowhere near brilliant. maybe brilliant for lowskilled europe to have a chance at goin to korea, other then that, no.

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ffx - Reply to #316

Cool story bro.

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madix - Reply to #316

u mad?

<< Comment #338 @ 21:49 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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atomigo - Reply to #335

are you drunked (c) debtorr

<< Comment #361 @ 05:55 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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esdf ' - Reply to #335

u usin my quote?

anyway, sc2 is crap, well, as i said, maybe it's good for mentally challenged people like you that need ai to do everything from them.

Edited by esdf at 05:58 CDT, 13 June 2011

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madix - Reply to #361

Inferior to broodwar? Yes by far...
Crap? Not at all...

Sc2 has brought a revolution to western esports and it will keep getting better and better.
The dreamhack invitational stream on Sweden's biggest news site had more viewers than the royal wedding.
Never before have streams been this filled with spectators for any game _ever_(in the west atleast).

But I guess you're so fucking indie the badass-o meter is probably bursting and you'll probably come up with some useless reply which doesn't change anything except being a futile attempt to piss me off.

Looking at your usual posts you don't seem that bright yourself good sir, mostly bitter and angry :(

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esdf ' - Reply to #374

seeing how i used to be brood war b- on iccup at peak of my gaming, i can safely say that the game is crap and not worth playing. at least not until all 3 campaigns are out and blizzard delivers some good patches along the way.

seeing that, i'll stick to bw in the following years until sc2 comes at least close to the level of brood war.

as far as my previous posts go, it's not much you can tell from that, internet boards like this one aren't meant for intellectual discussions and walls of text, seeing how nobody will ever read that, let alone reply with anything meaningful.

oh btw, me trying to piss you off would actually mean that i cared, i don't, im simply stating my opinion and facts about sc2. overhyped game that doesn't live to it's expectations and has nothing in it to be worth playing. winning in sc2 feels like meh, winning in bw feels like you won the jackpot - from win to win. doubt you'd know something about winning in bw tho... you even barely know how it feels to win in ql.

Edited by esdf at 10:55 CDT, 14 June 2011

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madix - Reply to #395

"you even barely know how it feels to win in ql."

I am disappoint. :(
Here I was getting my hopes up for some creative forum veteran shit.

Oh and we already established that BW > Sc2.. They can co-exist even though Sc2 is the lesser game.

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frs - Reply to #335

i have to agree with him, after a decade of broodwar, starcraft 2 was a huge huge letdown.. its like playing qwtf for 10 years and then tf2 comes out

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madix - Reply to #297

i have played for "100quadriollion hours" just not sc / sc2 unfortunately. :p

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atomigo - Reply to #299

if you played for that much, you should PWN THE SHIT! MAX-ULTRA-TOPSEED!

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madix - Reply to #305

its not ql im talking about :< probably have more hours in q3 DeFraG than ql !

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atomigo - Reply to #311

well thats your fault :)

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madix - Reply to #326

Age caught up with me which means its hard to start a new :) The passion is there just not the time.

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atomigo - Reply to #327

git a 50% job to earn enough for life. Should in sweden be well possible if you have a decent degree. :)

<< Comment #310 @ 14:34 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #280

what do you think of your group in tdm? pretty nice & doable I think =)

<< Comment #313 @ 14:43 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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madix - Reply to #310

I like our group :o) I think we have a nice shot at going through. We're not as strong as we'd like to be atm but we're working on it !

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Spart1e - Reply to #313

Working on it? Not yet :PPPPPPpppppppPPPPPPPPPP

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madix - Reply to #314

It starts tomoooorrow! :(

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Twisp. - Reply to #315

why isnt ischju playing with you?

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Gladius - Reply to #313

you'd better! I want to see the TA from previous Eurocup ffs!

<< Comment #257 @ 07:05 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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0x5f3759df

can't fucking wait for this, i hope there's TONS of coverage and DAYS WORTH of vods because with the way this is looking, gonna be the best tournament to date. tons of compelling storylines (for a video game event! wtf)

<< Comment #271 @ 08:57 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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kex

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Anonymous (71.251.34.194)

I think the reason why UFX could beat many other teams is because they are LAN proven and made up of legitimate Quake pros.

LAN makes a big difference. Players like juvenile, west, and other online heroes usually will not be very good with their limited experience.

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stunt.us - Reply to #289

LOIL
there is basically two pros. czm and rapha. the others are just cannon fodder.

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esdf ' - Reply to #322

dahang and rapha*

czm is still a nobody in ql (regarding his accomplishments)

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stunt.us - Reply to #362

nah i dont consider dahang anything special.

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sirax - Reply to #377

You don't consider DaHang anything special because you're a moron.

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stunt.us - Reply to #383

no because i know how shit u r and how nothing special he is. get raped faggot.

<< Comment #371 @ 09:02 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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vile_ - Reply to #322

dahang's been a pro in q2, q4 and now ql and he was one of the best TDMers in q2 with his team blackdragons.

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stunt.us - Reply to #371

I dont give a fuck? dont mean shit. thats q2 good job for him. he gonna get raped and probably WELL fight clock for the bottom spots in each game in tdm.

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Anonymous (71.251.36.169) - Reply to #322

Whatever your opinion of Dahang and cl0ck might be, that's not the point.

The point is that Dahang has played numerous Quake LAN matches, and cl0ck has also been to several Quakecons and probably other LANs.

Dahang has even been on the big stage (where he's choked), but he's been there nonetheless. 3/4 players have been in several finals.

Quite a few players in this tournament have little to no meaningful LAN experience.

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esdf ' - Reply to #391

clock has been in qcon ctf finals, 2002.

4/4 XD

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stunt.us - Reply to #391

ur opinion is just stupid as fuck

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Anonymous (71.125.79.217) - Reply to #398

You're no better than raythenoob

Get a life. Take jamalz with you.

<< Comment #407 @ 15:24 CDT, 16 June 2011 >>

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stunt.us - Reply to #406

WHAAAAAAA troof hurts too much for some people i guess.

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Trance

stermy, how important will the TDM tournament be for you compared to the Duel tournament?

Italy stermy: I think the TDM tournament will be my main tournament at Dreamhack , since I will not compete in the Duel competition at this event . Time/Personal reasons - but I will try my best to fully be back on 1v1 for Quakecon.

Oh well, now we know why czm is in the duel list..

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Anonymous (90.61.213.49) - Reply to #302

The guys will past 3 days entirely dedicated to play QL and he say he won't play duel.

f that fear the rape...

<< Comment #312 @ 14:40 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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Trance

Slayzah (one of the main DH quake admins) has asked me to post this on ESR on his behalf since he doesn't have an accont here and limited internet access atm.

Hey guys,

I just wanted to shed a bit of light on the whole seeding for the TDM tournament.

Since TDM on a major LAN hasn't happened in ages you can imagine how tricky this whole thing was for us. It was tough having to rank some of the teams which, even tho on paper had great individual players, had never played together in any TDM tournaments out there.
Not to mention that some of these teams changing line-ups so often didn't help our case either.

These seeds were made before the Jeesports Dremhack TDM tourney because myself and blaze were going to be away for a while before the start of Dreamhack,
and we didnt want to leave any unfinished business. In hindsight, it might have been better to wait, I know, but we're all humans :(

So once again, I'm sorry if any of the seeded teams felt offended, and hopefully there will be another TDM tourney out there that will be able to make good use of the experience gathered during Dreamhack Summer 2011. I really hope this is TDM being ressurrected right here, since it feels like learning to walk again.

// Slayzah

<< Comment #321 @ 15:29 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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ScanX - Reply to #312

t's ok slayzah we forgive you, it's gonna rock anyway

<< Comment #323 @ 15:32 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #312

the groups turned out to be fine, so to hell with that.

I've seen perfect seeds making more retarded groups than that.

<< Comment #324 @ 16:02 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #323

Sad that UFX has to fly all the way out to sweden to get stomped in groups by tox and av3k, rofl

<< Comment #325 @ 16:11 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #324

yeah, but I'm not sure about them deserving a better seed than the other teams that actually have had a reasonable amount of tdm practices :/

<< Comment #329 @ 17:07 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #325

it's true but theres nobody for ufx to scrim, like literally. The best they can do is like 3 ca'ers and 1 ctf guy with good aim, and they stomp them.

<< Comment #341 @ 01:16 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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adrenal1ne - Reply to #329

who is the good aimer

<< Comment #343 @ 01:28 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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davis - Reply to #329

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Edited by davjs at 01:46 CDT, 13 June 2011

<< Comment #336 @ 20:29 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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nvc - Reply to #312

If UFX get's knocked out early.. viewer number will drop 33% for sure! :D

<< Comment #344 @ 02:15 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #312

Why end here? Put colwn in low seeded teams. Reason can be there too, why not.

<< Comment #379 @ 18:17 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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xou - Reply to #312

seems like you couldn't find an admin while I was away this weekend, funky

<< Comment #337 @ 20:38 CDT, 12 June 2011 >>

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parrradize

Srsly, when all these players show up and all these teams, this is gonna be one epic shitload of epic explosion!

<< Comment #345 @ 02:18 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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cha0z_

God, I will use condoms, because otherwise I will cumbucked all my room/workplace! IT WILL BE EPIC, EVEN MORE THAN EPIC!

<< Comment #363 @ 06:10 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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Anonymous (46.129.21.247)

reason wins tdm
cooller duel ;x

<< Comment #376 @ 17:12 CDT, 13 June 2011 >>

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Wintastic - Reply to #363

I thought cooller wasn't playing duel, when did he change his mind about that? :@

Edited by Wintastic at 18:12 CDT, 13 June 2011

<< Comment #392 @ 08:48 CDT, 14 June 2011 >>

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SigningOff - Reply to #376

He's going for that win win situation as he haven't been practising.

If he loses he can go: "Yeah, well I didn't practise so..."
If he wins he probably go: "Yeah, well I didn't practise so..."

I'm tellin' ya'll.

<< Comment #394 @ 10:08 CDT, 14 June 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #392

That's the jamalz school of excuses.