Fucktons, and it's hard to tell how much is actually in China (which is the main market) due to services like hamachi.

hamachi wouldn't work with league of legends if that's what you mean

I meant mostly DOTA, but they have a ton of services like hamachi for playing pirated games.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/youve-grow...ssive-game

* 15 million accounts.
* Each month over 4 million players log in to play.
* 1.4 million daily players.
* At its busiest, 500.000 players at the same time.


http://www.bluesnews.com/s/123946/15-million-...istrations

* Every day, over a million games of League of Legends are played, most consisting of two teams of five players.
* Gamers spend 3.7 million hours in-game enjoying League of Legends every day.
* The official website for League of Legends receives over 6 million page views per day.
* 1.4 million people like League of Legends on Facebook, and League of Legends videos have nearly 100 million views on YouTube.
* Over 1,690,000 viewers tuned into the online broadcast of the League of Legends Season One Championship, with concurrent viewership peaking at over 210,000.


my appreciations

* When the game oficially started in october 2009 quake live had much more active players and accounts than LoL. Before that date LoL was in open beta.
* Riot games is a newly formed company.
* The key aspects of its success are advertising, remaining current by being in every tournament (it'll be in 14 lan tournaments in 2012) and by having streams all the time, and having good priorities (server stability and constant content and balance updates).
* Hope id software learns something from this.
* The season one championship was held at dreamhack summer 2011, so those numbers refer to only one event. Also there wasn't an embed stream to the game's client or into any website because it was an own3d.tv stream, therefore those numbers are not inflated like wcg's.


and in-topic

* In my experience I think most players didn't play dota before.
* Dota2's release won't have an impact in LoL's playerbase, because the later is essentially free, until you realize there's no way to have 50% of champs without buying RP (in-game currency)
* Would like to see WoW stats. Maybe LoL is the most popular videogame now, including consoles besides the latest call of duty which remains active for about a month and then everyone stops playing it (check brink data at ESR for example).
* Made this post while waiting the game to update and queuing.

nope, LoLers are not from DotA, motly because lol is casual game, where u dont need any skills, while dota is quite complicated

dota had an estimated 20 mil players (based on patch/map downloads or smth)

LoL has double the daily players of halo:reach

most devs still dont recognize MOBA as an official genre

in short: valve stands to make zillions if they get dota2 right

with the difference that dota is a "free" game, considering how easy is to play warcraft3 for free.

Obviously dota2 will be successful but it won't have 10 million players because there are plenty of alternatives now and lots of former dota players got sick of the game after playing it so much, including myself.
LoL is incredibly popular, there are plenty of HoN discounts over time and you can still play dota1 for "free",

I never said that dota2 will have as many players as 1 did. I just said that valve will make a shitload of $$$ from it. I mean look at how many idiots care about/buy virtual hats for tf2. If valve can pull off the same f2p + addictive elements + microtransactions but on a grander scale (by pulling in a substantial amount of moba veterans and many more casuals) then I dont see how it wont be extremely profitable.

Valve knows this, it's why they keep putting HL3/EP3 on the backburner.

Also, if dota2 is f2p then I fully expect the player numbers to be greater than hon and lol combined.

Id imagine most dota players either still play dota or gone to hon

lol is free to play and is more casual thatn dota/hon so it will get more players

i have been eurobattling it up for like 7 years now, lol looks like puke.
if dota2 is free to play/trial i will try it.

It's a free game where the only skill is experience. There's a leveling system to give you goals and past that there's new characters every 2 weeks to keep you going. Also: GRABOS

and in case you have any doubt left after that: GRABOS

LiamHomoSex has drawn first blood :o

I dont understand why anyone would play LoL over HON or dota, that game looks so fucking weird.

Much easier to get into, much simpler game. You can play against bots to learn the game even though they're terrible.

Also one thing I noticed about hon is there's just tons of little hacky things in there... because it's almost a direct copy of a game that was made with a map editor and as such had a lot of hackyness in it to fix broken things

can you give an example for the hon-hackiness?

No he can't.

Maybe because it's more enjoyable?

I just started playing LoL again with some friends that only played HoN before. They all seem to agree that it's more fun.

i´ve heard you cant even deny creeps?

like quake without jumping :(

Who cares? I can't even understand how some people think denies add lots of skill... It's the same as a fucking last hit...

On the other hand, they stall progression and LoL is an overall much faster game than HoN or DotA, so it makes sense that they aren't there.

Ive only started playing LoL and for me its also more fun than Hon, its also feels more resposive to me.

Overall Hon is the better produced but the community is shit and its not as chill as LoL, if you aint play completive LoL is better if you are then hon is better but how many people are?? 1-3%?

Lol. I didn't know you played HoN/DotA. It seems like everyone on #quakelive.dk hates these kind of games :D.

I played dota before(not much, but still), and after dreamhack I play rarely lol too. I can tell for sure it's newb friendly... easy interface, good tutorial,etc. Gameplay wise it's polished dota(they have dota developers in the team, so yeah...).

but bots are hard :D

You died few times from beginner bots, so I guess they are hard :D

fu :D

<3

lol is like clanarena

whats dota even mean

defense of the ancients

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dota is still played heavily on wc3 and is pretty much the only m ap that shows up on the custom games list that has bots (good ones) that allow people the special in game (and pre-game) commands.

dota = wc3 at this point

LoL is pretty sick, add me if you want TheRealGillz (one on eu east and north america)

sif anyone will be playing it after DOTA2 comes out.

you don't think there might be hardware issues? Looks like a beefy game, but who knows. But if it did run on only good pcs, I think a lot would stick to LoL.

Valve games always aim for mid-range PCs, and are generally quite good at scaling.

Minimum
• Operating System: Windows® 7 / Vista / Vista64 / XP / Mac
• Processor: Pentium 4 3.0GHz or AMD Athlon equivalent
• Memory: 1 GB for XP / 2GB for Vista
• Graphics: DirectX 9 compatible video card with 128 MB, Shader model 2.0. ATI X800, NVidia 7800 or better
• Hard Drive: 3.0 GB of free space
• Sound: DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card
• Steam

Recommended
• Operating System: Windows® 7 / Vista / Vista64 / XP / Mac
• Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz or AMD Athlon equivalent
• Memory: 1 GB for XP / 2GB for Vista
• Graphics: DirectX 9 compatible video card with Shader model 3.0. NVidia 8800, ATI 3870 with 512MB memory.
• Hard Drive: 3.0 GB of free space
• Sound: DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card
• Broadband Internet Connection
• Steam

Not bad, I meet the minimum (barely), so if I get 40fps or more it will be the same as LoL

Also, LoL is free, DOTA2 might not be.

It probably will be, seeing as how Valve has already toyed around with it for TF2. Even if not, I still suspect that it will be extremely popular, and eventually become free.

I prob will, i mean dota2 doesnt add anything new to dota/hon style while at least lol tries(even tho they lack alot of stuff)