What would you like to see in Quake 5?

dedicated servers
demo repository for viewing other players POVs from various games you played
something that makes it different/unique from the previous quakes (i can't really think of anything however)
in-game chat system similar to sc2 battle.net or w/e
serverside commands to enable/disable airstrafing,crouchsliding,etc
a combination of new and old maps (from various quakes)
make the singleplayer compatible with speedrunning (no invisible walls etc)

What is essential to make it the “definitive FPS of the decade” and potentially the greatest in history?

an interesting single player.



i could probably have move but i'm not really bothered thinking about it too much at the moment

I don't think there should be any cvars changing how the game is played.

Instead I think they should allow for mods to be installed on servers, and the mod name displayed in the server browser. Want to play a mod? Sure connect to the server. If not, filter out mods.

quake1 theme

You mean, the color brown?

oi clownfart, no dissing quakeworld you pansy purple loving noo noo.

:p
It's not even a good shade of brown, it's like vomit brown.

Vomit brown can look nice, if you don't vomit regularly.

My vomit is purple.

And so is Warsow!

What is required to attract a large number of players and retain their interest?

-vehicles "quake on cars" (Carmack), buggies, hoovers, stilts
-gametypes that works well with 50vs50
-simple gameplay +f +b button rocket and somesniping gun, no enemymodels or cvars, cfgs

So, pretty much not Quake.

yes.. your last two words described a game thats capable of bringing in masses and keeping them in

;D

Really sad, tbh.

I want it to be very similar to quakeworld and I want something similar to Ladder and Battle.net 2.0

qw movement, q3/ql weapons and armor, online focus, use ql backend plus ladders, etc. Might as well just be a ql update w/ a new subscription.

that would be a lot like cpm and it would be a very cool update. It would be EVEN cooler if they made an entirely new super precise engine with new graphics and called it quake5

It would be cool to eventually see that stuff in a new engine and with more support. I'm pretty content with the Q3 engine, though.

I definitely don't want to see another linear single player where you walk through hallways and shoot predictable enemies. The only stuff that has appealed to me lately was the puzzle solving in portal 1 and 2, and teamwork in l4d. I think the campaigns should be structured to be multiplayer, especially since stuff will probably be tied to a website.

We say:

EVEN      C O O L L E R
             OO
             O   O
             L       L
             L         L
             E           E
             R              R

Fixed.

server commands are rubbish to disable airstrafe/crouchsliding etc, when a dedicated server is forced to restart every 7 days or whenever, the setting will be set to what the default is when a player is spawned

need to set all that in the server/autoexec config

* Epic single player
* Good marketing
* Decent matchmaking system
* Awards or some other type of 'grind away to get worthless achievement'
* Extremely noob friendly gametype (Excessive?)
* Either (limited) f2p multiplayer or a demo, preferably with servers where players who bought the game could still join

And if after all that they manage to make a properly balanced game with a high skill ceiling, we might get some life into fast-paced FPS eSports again.

Singleplayer is really important to attract new players. The MP depends on the good SP imo.

You guys saying Quake can't ever be popular can stfu and gtfo. Anything done properly can be popular.

The fact that QuakeLive was as popular as it was, however brief that moment was is irrelevant because it was handled poorly, is a testament that deathmatch can still kickass.

A brief glance at TL during IEM events when Quake would come on only seemed to deliver praise, but shit, ask them to play and it's "game is too hard, took me months to learn strafe jumping". Can't have that.

I would expect Quake 5 to accommodate noobs, have casual mode, and pro mode. Casual mode basically turns off advanced physics and let's people play and learn the very basics without getting smashed over and over. Pro mode has everything a quaker wants out of Quake.

Plus Bnet style shit.

They have 15 years of Quake to pull ideas from, CPM was popular, why? OSP was popular, why? Why do people still play Quakeworld?

If id actually puts some thought into why Quake is Quake instead of trying to churn out 'the next gen uber graphics time-to-buy-new-pc game' again they can make it work.

Months to learn strafe-jumping?

Maybe a noob mode is what we need. A mode where all the hard stuff is disabled, like strafejumping. Then, all you can do is walk, run and jump. As lame as we all would find that, new players might prefer it. That's what Quake needs... actual tiers, with different rules per-tier. As you move up the ladder, new abilities (like strafejumping), are unlocked.

intriguing, actually.

I agree with the sentiment that what we love about it is what keeps the masses out; high learning curve.

Here's the problem with what you are proposing. Quake sucks with out strafe jumping. Walk around with +moveup unbound and shoot bots. You'll want to go play halo with in the first minute :(

Most noobs don't even realize what strafe-jumping is when they first play quake, they walk around jump over small ledges and wonder why some of their opponents can get the RG on dm6, when they are sitting around the jumppad all the time and don't see their opponent go up that jumppad.

When I was new to Quake, I had a lot of fun playing the Q3 single player like that. Didn't even know strafe-jumping existed. (And paid no attention to armour or any kind of map control, other than camping the BFG on DM12.) It helped that I was young and the whole concept of video games was still pretty exciting, though.

Quake can't ever be popular.

doom 4

To start..

General
- Steam release.
- Dedicated servers.
- 100% input lag free (not that id would fuck that up).
- NO HIGH VIEWHEIGHT. Q3/QL feel like you're controlling the mass of your player, unlike other newer games (think 1.6 -> Source).

Visual
- Sexual graphics. I mean, properly high detailed shit.
- Brightskins out of the box and on display for all to know about.
- Only a small amount of visual settings, no picmip 16, lightmap or vertex shit.
- Simple but obvious settings for settings like kickscale and bob.
- A drag and drop HUD editor interface.

Gameplay
- Keep the gameplay mechanics relatively simple.
- Limited forward bunny hopping, or some other noob friendly way(s) to ease the movement gap.
- Classic maps re-licensed, but more importantly a solid set of completely new competitive maps.
- Weapon balancing in QL is nearly perfect imho, so something similar.
- Built in tutorial maps which are a challenge to get you to learn Quake basics in a fun way. Think cool shit that even veterans might play because it's fun/insightful, like mini-game time trials around a map timing by feel and you're rated by time-by-feel accuracy afterwards.

Community
- A YouTube (or other video service) uploader.
- A way to 'subscribe' to top players, or have top players' games automatically shown live (like PGR3's Gotham TV).
- In-depth stats tracking for weapons, wins/losses, records against each player and in each gametype and on each map, heat maps.
- Lots of relevant achievements and constant rewards.
- Very majorly refined matchmaking, obviously.
- Seperate leagues a la SC2. Fighting climb the ranks amongst people of your skill and feeling rewarded for your accomplishment before levelling up, hopefully removing a lot of how daunting Quake is.
- In-game pick-up system (limited to your skill tier/league/range/whatever).
- A free to play demo like BF2 and UT2k4, perhaps.

- Sexual graphics. I mean, properly high detailed shit.

So we can run the game at picmip 16 anyway?

I meant "no picmip 16, lightmap or vertex shit."

not everyone likes playing on full graphics aaron :/

You can make a game perfectly good for competitive play as long as it's not über funky right of the bat.

Painkiller is a decent example of this, the only thing that's really needed is the grey texture pack and a few tweaks to stahdard shit you can find in the menus. Picmip and such things are pretty much useless after that.

I know - I don't use high graphics either, but id need to stop giving in to peoples' demands to play with shite graphics. Give us customisability elsewhere.

Seriously. This is a large reason for lack of sponsorship, and is off-putting to so many more people than it should be. There is no reason that a high graphics game can't be competitive (read: CoD series, Halo series, CS series, SC2, and others).

High graphics look shitty on quakelive streams.

720p streams with high graphics look fine, man. That's a higher resolution than half the people here even play at.

Yes, clear graphics are really nice and I prefer them, but they're not essential. Sure that's what everyone argues, anyway - Why not act on it? All these other games have healthy communities and don't need a 5 colour map. I'm talking about Quake 5 here and the possible future of Quake as a competitive game.

720p streams with high graphics look fine, man

No, they dont, unless you have the upload rate of dictatorial swissbabwe.

It is not the resolution that is the problem, it is the amount of different colored pixels that constantly changes. With solid coloured walls you don't notice that the stream is actually totally pixelated because all the pixels are the same colour.

You need very high upload to stream full detail that is actually watchable. :/

Yes, the streamer needs a good connection for it. I don't mean to be rude really, but that much is obvious.

The streamer needs a VERY good connection. Most of the streams we're watching in these days wouldn't be able to do it.

seems to be more a style problem than a stream problem. Other games look fine streaming higher-quality.

instead of anything like a "noob mode" or simplified gameplay there should just be a Starcraft 2 like ladder system with amazing matchmaking. then they can make the gameplay very fast and super hardcore with a very high skillgap without considering dropping players on the floor. If quakelive had Starcraft 2's matchmaking it would already be amazing. If Quakeworld had it, it would be the greatest game ever

agree...

make the game normal quake game, hard as fuck with bunny hopping and stuff... and THEN add ladder system and leagues so noobs wont have to play against guys who are playing quakes for 15 years... P U R E W I N

A different developer.

keep in mind this game will be released in more than 5 years from now, so your ideas should be very over the top.

that's worked out great befor, hasn't it?

Don't care as long as it sticks to being a hardcore game. Can't give two shits if it keeps the masses away.

qw + rg, 8bit gfx.

Well most essential part is.. don't let ID Software develop it.

You need to see Rage before making that statement

I'd go as far as saying it's one of the best looking games yet.

yep, don't let ID software develop it.

lightsabers

CPM & vq3 style gameplays to satisfy everyone !

hats

Whatever they think is best, they have listened far too much to the community for quakelive, it is the wrong approach.

Let them develop a game in their own way, they don't need to prove that they can do it anymore they did after all bring us the quake series... but give us the ability to create our own mods and everything will be fine.

anything but vq3/ql...

REALLY ANYTHING.

y no like strategy?

Theres only 1 valid "strategy" with qlive and it's +back
q2 & q4 moves allows you to have multiple "strategies".
q1 is all about +forward

End of the story

tell it to strenx, cypher and av3k

they can be less +back-ish cause their aim is way better than their opponent...thats does not make their "style" is optimal...

"you have to chose when to be agressive, and when to be not agressive" (c) cooller

saying that ql is all about +b is ridiculous, as they are succesfull players who are agressive as fuck... its only a coincidence that most succesfull ql player is known for his calm +b style... basiclly - get lost

can create new strategies
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2135859#pid2135859

qw is all +back

Idiot.

ever heard of this thing called sarcasm, idiot?

Idiot.

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love you too rauvz babies <333}}}~~~!!!!!@!@@!!!!!!!!

q1 is more +back than you'd think.. depending on the maps

in fact it's never in the middle, either extreme +forward or extreme +back because of the nature of movement and uber powerful weapons :D

my point exactly.

strafe
crouchslide
rail
rocket
shaft

- rail + stake gun

+LAGGED shaft

They need to listen to competitive players instead of being ignorant fucks.

Wow, i just wrote a thread in exactly this kind of spirit before i saw this. Guess the new decade is starting to affect us (:

-Good flashy high graphic sp with alot of bosses, monsters, action (Modernwarfare style cause the masses love that shit know waddup')

-Dedicated servers

-Menu with alot of options for good tweakability but make it as simple as possible so it isn't so daunting for newcomers.

-Tutorials

Essentially make it simple but not too simple that you're going to put veterans and polished pro's off. Market your product well by splashing it all over the tv and promote it through competitions on mtv etc.

Remember whatever happens 9/10 people who played earlier quakes regardless of how it turns out will more than likely move over to quake5 so don't sacrafice the game for the community.

Mods. Please, for the love of God let us make mods.

SP story that includes strafe jumping as part of the world, maybe from a suit or different gravity/physics because of some sci fi reason. this way noobs would learn strafe while playing SP.

make the SP good enough that is is worth buying JUST for sp...not some short 6hrs cod thing. 20hrs STORY with gud GAMEPLAY. then the mass will buy for SP and will try out MP.

ladders should put them against other noobs, so they dont rq. there should also be servers where there is no kind of skill match/ladder(for team gametypes), as I feel this is what really will allow for noobs to meet pros and joins clans and feel like "i want to be super cool like XYZ pro).

smaller hitboxes(~crash size i guess) and higher g_speed, but this would probably ruin most maps and i bet many oldies wud rage :s

amazing MP maps that will win art awards and are good for gameplay. good modding and PORTING tools so old maps can be brought over and new maps can be made by community.

demo/trial so peeps fall in love with the game and then will buy

put it on consoles and let pc gamers use mouse to own them

not sure what business model should be used, selling for $50 upfront might allow for a non-beta release, gud quality and all. then for continued support have in-game ads(for mice and stuff that gamers would actually maybe buy) and use that revenue to pay community programmers to patch the game xD

Assuming it will use some form of idTech 5, I hope significant modifications are made to the mapping tools and technology, making it possible for those without supercomputers to create new maps.

This problem might be acceptable in RAGE, and even Doom 4, but a Quake game without maps from the community would be quite sad.

Why would it be acceptable in doom? There have probably been more doom maps than quake maps.

you don't need a story. you need awesome resources to make the game world believable.

Q1 SP was so awesome BECAUSE it didn't have a story. you were left to surmise a bunch of shit about lovecraftian type environments with a healthy mix of futuristic sci-fi badassery.

i guarantee what everyone thought in their heads about the original quake was 100x more badass than anything "suck it down" romero would've put in it.

this is so true. Leaving the story to the imagination also gets rid of a lot of predictability and makes it unique to each person. instead we get shit voice acting and tons of cut scenes. I doubt they would ever make doom 4 sp or q5 like this though

totally agree with both points. We're basically being force fed stories in todays games. There's a reason q3 became so successful and it was largely in part to the unique experiences people had in q1 that they could then turn into reality by modding q3 to their likeness.

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completely pointless

make it two games in 1.

one game the masses suck up and one for the quake oldies :D that love quake.

make it ultra fast with loads of enemies = insta win....

For singleplayer:
Doom clone all the way.
Maps like in doom - abstract-ish, lots of areas you don't need to visit, great atmosphere.
Lots of demons in your way, but there's no need to kill them (this makes serious sam and painkiller NOT doom-like AT ALL).
Demons should be easy to hit, rather easy to kill and should do decent damage; compensate in numbers!
Gibs and blood!

Story? Just make it like you're exploring your own nightmares. Voila, decent enabler story.
Built in speedrun archive(!), achievements, etc.


For multiplayer just take CPMA/CPM and add proper ladder and proper tutorials.

No unlagged.

quake 5 :DDDDD

maybe reopen the thread in 2016

bump

good bump.

Most people have already covered many great ideas so far.

But i would like to add that i am not such a big fan of "balance" of weapons and this and that, when you do it this way you are left with little to no specific charm or personality to the game and makes it "flat" , give people the satisfaction of beeing surprised by utilizing the "bugginess" and "unbalance" .

And my biggest reason for this is a simple fact that no one never ever stops moaning and whining , tell em to shut up and enjoy whats there, if a game tries too hard to make sure everyone is happy it does not turn out well, it gets flat and boring because all ideas are met "in the middle".

Also i do really like the idea of fixed shadows etc like in quake1 , atleast for multiplayer and restrict people to downscale the gfx too much so that you cant "make it that ugly" . Having people on a even playingfield with good graphics, if the world of quake wants recognition and future at all, i beleive this is some steps to be taken. Its not about making quakelive2 , its about reviving and building up community, no community no game, then what was the whining all for in the end.

I think im most for the return of quake1 , but fairly open, artistic and fast. And spew in all the gfx possible and make it run like horseshit on regular computers of today, this is actually a good thing in the end, beleive it or not.

But quake1 the return will not happen in years anyways, first up is Doom4 which will possibly not have a proper multiplayer and that will make me so mad and sad i might kick someone.

id needs to rectify ravens killing of quake. Quake4 could definetly have been something , but too little too late sadly.

Maybe id could have been clever to release like a non graphical low tech proto version of the game with all weapons etc , make it playable with severe limitations, so that modders could finetune settings and coding and make it ready for final release, make mapping contests before the release of the game etc .

Keep dreaming.

A sharklauncher -a rocketlauncher that shoots with sharks.

I don't need Q5 - QL gives me everything Quake should give.

That's just sad.

I also enjoy playing COD and Battlefield games. Just bought MW3 and it is awesome!

Make it as close to Call of Duty as possible

there wont' be any more quakes this decade

As others have said, if there will ever be another Quake, something along the lines of Quake1, with modern gfx and hordes of monsters in SP would do the trick. With solid but probably fairly basic MP, for modders to finish properly, as is usually the case.

Just need Carmack to oversee the gamedesign, and it should be a winner.

Carmack to oversee the gamedesign

have you seen rage?

"Matt Hooper, the design director for id Software’s upcoming shooter RAGE"

Exactly :/

lolograde's wish list...

CLIENT FEATURES
-Full-featured SDK on day one bundled w/ game
-Full set of competitive tweaks/cvars on day one (gfx tweaks, hud tweaks, etc.)
-Full set of competitive modes (1v1, 2v2, TDM, CTF, CTFS, NTF, CA, Freezetag, etc.)
-MVDs and GTV on day one with integrated VoIP options so shoutcasts can be streamed along with match (user cvars to delay VoIP stream to sync GTV w/ shoutcast)
-Integrated web portal for game match reports, statistics, tournaments, ladders, IRC channels, etc.
-More in-depth match report statistics (like map overlay of where deaths happened, where kill shots originated from, where players spent most of their time, etc.)
-Web portal stores most recent 10 demos of a players matches automatically. Player has option to "make public" his last ten demos.
-Full-featured demo viewer/capture a la wolfcam/q3mme on day one
-Marketplace for user-generated content (i.e., community modders/developers can get paid for developing popular custom maps, models, gametypes, etc.)
-Updated graphics (to keep it fresh)

GAMEPLAY FEATURES
-Mixture of Quakeworld/CPM movement and armor system
-Old school CPM's rocketsplash physics

updated graphics and quake don't mix,

footnote: see quake 4

Eh, you never know. One example doesn't make it or break it. I think Painkiller had fairly interesting art design that worked well w/ a fast-paced FPS gameplay. I think Quake 4's failing was the model scaling was kind of off from previous quakes. At least, seems that way.

true, it seemed distorted in many ways. The problem now lies with the fact that the remaining playerbase, as a whole, would rather maintain the look and feel of q3/ql than to revert back to q4 which most considered inferior to q3.

The graphics issue just doesn't fit with the needs of the community. If this community ever warnted a more casual quake, then it could perhaps have a shot, although that would mostly depend on id's resources. Most players, however, will just opt to revert back to q3, as the capabilities of that platform outweight any visual improvements q5 could bring to the genre.

+ automatic synching of GTV, Videostream of casters/VoIP stream of them

The History of Why I’m Tired of Your Tactical Shooters

upvote on reddit pls

Damn that's a lot of text :D.

Great read, but right now the server is too busy to handle the load! - was about to finish at page 4 - =/

- Varied objectives including puzzles, escorts, rescues, retreats, infiltrations, etc.

lol

- Advanced A.I. (Mannerisms, abilities, strategies, cooperation, etc.)

dream on!

125 fps, or even more

dream on

the genius think 60 fps cap is the best thing on earth.

but know 120fps monitor

so ok.

oh god here we go again