Great news :)

Wish the same could be done with cpma :((

i have no idea what this means...wtf is a source code?

Homemade Tomato Sauce Code:

1/4 cup extra-virgin olive oil
1 large onion, peeled, coarsely chopped (2 cups)
1 large carrot or 2 small carrots, peeled, coarsely chopped (about 3/4 cup)
3 garlic cloves, peeled, finely chopped
5 large tomatoes, coarsely chopped (4 cups) or 2 (28-ounce) cans whole tomatoes, drained, coarsely chopped
2 Tablespoons tomato paste
Coarse sea salt to taste
Freshly ground black pepper to taste

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_code

it's some fucking god awful movie. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0945513/

mav, godawful? there's a little "chick flick" element in there with the romantic plot twist (much like the Matt Damon movie Adjustment Bureau) and some hard-to-swallow storyline (in)consistencies)...but overall, I was entertained.

I thought that it was pretty fun except for the last 4 min of the movie which were prolly just made up as extra :s

Yep, the ending ruined an otherwise decent film.

port must be happy... now he can save q4

pretty sure port transcended to nibiru in preparation for 2012

haha, he makes some obsessive comments about it, like he went crazy over it or something. (no offense p0rt)

something posted by carmack on twitter:

new levels for in-app purchase (2 for $0.99) just got submitted for Rage iOS, Doom 2 complete is the next mobile project.

sweet!

not really.. sucky controls, no thanks, i'll fire up my prboom if i want SP doom2 or skulltag or zdeamon if i want MP.

ofc but who doesn't want to blow away a cacodemon on the bus.

you are right about that, but a crt and a ibm keyboard and mouse is not really suitable for a bus ride :)

Hm, really curious to try it to run with GTR sources I still have at my HDD. From the first look it should work, but you can never be sure...

Well, it's not going to work without you modifying things a bit, because there are changes in Q4 that aren't in D3 (eg, the D3 engine doesn't support netdemos, repeaters, bots etc, all of which break the game/engine interface), and the Q4 data wouldn't be directly compatible either (eg, D3 doesn't have "guides" IIRC), but I am sure it would be possible to get it working with enough effort.

Also keep in mind that the Q4 SDK licence is not GPL compatible (so you cannot just c+p code from Q4 into D3), and also that the Q4 SDK explicitly prohibits use with anything other than the full version of Quake 4:

Id Software grants to you the non-exclusive and limited right to use the Software to create for the software game QUAKE 4 ™ your own modifications (the "New Creations") that shall operate only with QUAKE 4 ™ (but not any demo, test, or other version of QUAKE 4 ™)

I guess it might technically be OK to build a FreeQ4.exe that doesn't include any code from the Q4 SDK but would be able to load the Q4 mods+data, but that wouldn't be quite so easy, and would maybe leave the users in a slightly grey area wrt running it. Probably nobody would complain, but...

FWIW, I've now implemented the "guide" declType, and fixed a couple of issues that stopped it starting up and getting to the main menu.

Well, getting to a black screen and a console that kinda works, anyway ;)

Lots of warnings about the menu, so presumably Raven extended the gui side a bit, but haven't checked into them yet. The font format is dfifferent, so even when you've changed the tr_font.cpp to find the fonts in the right place, they don't load.

Q4 map data doesn't load straight away either. I've managed to make it load maps (so long as there is no portal sky), although still plenty of other issues to overcome before it's even close to usable with Q4 data-sets (eg, at the moment it wont load any collision models).

ATM I'm running with the stock GPL D3 gamecode + tweaks to run with Q4 media, not mixing GPL and non-GPL code. My fiddling will never evolve into a FreeQ4.exe or anything like that which can run Q4 mods (I have no plans to try and match the Q4 Game ABI), and I probably wont take this very far, so don't expect a D3Max or anything like that any time soon.

yeah, great.
hopefully the thedarkmod.com community will grow with a standalone version :)

ye, Im really looking forward to see, what they will do with it.

and http://www.hexenmod.com/

Oh, have to try this. Hope they implemented that you get stuck. Never completed Hexen and its sequel. :)

Hiding in shadows seems like a cool idea that was not exploited enough in D3 multiplayer because people would play with Q3-type configurations (very high brightness, vertex lightning etc). Are those guys intelligent enough to cap the lightning-related values so you can't exploit it? Not bothering with downloading and testing to play with cheaters.

it is a single player game similar to the Thief series.

Lame. I thought it was multi.

It was for the best, the game was slow enough to offer a tactical advantage over quake in that department anyway, mostly thanks to the insane damge the shotgun did and the slower pace meant hiding behind corners could be really effective on maps like dm2/3/5.

In other words, people still did that, shadows are constant, so those spots would just be spammed anyway, or proceeded with extra caution, plus good players had flashlight bound which rendered hiding in shadows useless.

outflanking the opponent and catching him off guard behind a corner or pillar with a SG was far more effective and could rape a stacked player, but if you messed up, you would be a sitting duck.

So there are no stencil shadows in this release?

They are, Carmack: "this demonstrates the idiocy of the patent -- the workaround added four lines of code and changed two."

"There was some delay in the release, due to id Software not being able to include a patented algorithm known as Carmack's Reverse"

"this demonstrates the idiocy of the patent -- the workaround added four lines of code and changed two."

So it took some delay because of 4 lines of code?

They probably had to get it checked by lawyers.

No, he's just fucking with you.

well on one hand it could cause some delay to add a couple of lines because you have to re-understand your own previous code. But I think that in this case (because it is awesome Carmack) it's just that he had to "find a way which was not patented" and had the lawyers check it.
The patents in the computer business really really don't make any sense.

Patents in the computer business make (or make not) just as much sense as in any other area.

not really... as tbh the objective is to write the best algorithm... and when someone does find it.. they patent it.
While any programmer faced with the same problem *should* come up with the same algorithm.
It's like if your job is kicking against a ball... and then when you found the best way you patent it Oo

The same argument applies to chemists trying to come up with the best medicines, engineers coming up with the most efficient engines etc.

One of the issues with software patents is that they are intended to give you a "head start" on competition because you though of it first, but they typically last for longer than the lifespan of the usefulness of the invention, which isn't usually the case in other fields.

All patents seem to struggle with how unique, and how innovative something has to be to be patented - and the requirement to make it specific leads to there being simple ways to avoid the patent (as exploited by JCs workaround), where as having too vague a description makes it aburd, and much harder to argue it is a novel idea.

Very likely. Seeing how the whole patent-lawyers thing works first hand, what happened is (pure guessing):

- They had a patent on the technique, therefore could not publish the source code.
- They went through the patent together with lawyers to understand how to modify the algorithm so that it does not break the existing patent (but still works).
- They found a hole in the patent that would require very few modification of the code. Hence, Carmack's comment about the stupidity of software patents (which he bashes every now and then).

Pretty much because you're constantly rewritting code that has already been written, reinventing algorithms that already exist and that if people in the 70's had tried to get patents, we wouldn't be on esr.
We'd be at the library, browsing their database on a unix machine to find funny sci-fi books about futuristic warriors and psychological studies about delusionnal pranksters.

software patents only exist in USA

still, you get the idea. And iirc it was stilled being discussed over here a few years ago.

That is one side of the problem. The other side is the use that is made of patents. Nasty stuff.

Because patents use language that few if any engineers can understand, he most likely had to rewrite it more than once and run it by lawyers every time.

and you think that the lawyers understand c++?
I'd put my money on the programmer schooling the lawyer.

It actually works both ways around, as neither understands each others language perfectly.

In this case, I'm sure all the explaining and understanding actually happened years ago, when this first came up, other than it might be a different lawyer now post-Zenimax, which means Carmack may have had to do all the explaining of the detail again.

I imagine the need to wait on the lawyers confirming acceptance before repackaging, retesting etc probably is the reason for the delay.

has john carmack ever posted on esr?

No idea, but I doubt it.

Pretty sure the only mainstream website he posted on was Slashdot back in the day.

well, he should imo. if he rly cares about quake. i guess he's too busy w/ work :(. he would actually prbly get mobbed too is why he doesn't post.

word is that the militia team is already hard at work on a new version

doom live

exactly what I was thinking (:

you want them to fail at another browser game again?

maybe they will learn from their mistakes!

HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHA

no

I think there is now something like call of duty elite ;-),
not that I mind playing, but I find interesting that here is a new fps with fees

interdasting, so this is how you create a matrix

It would appear so.

(I assume this is a reference to the directory name?)

p0rt take it away!

for once i am actually awaiting for p0rts reply..

An earlier statement by our local expert p0rt regarding the release of this engine may be found in the below linked comment thread.

"doom 3 engine is complete shit and releasing it as GPL is a complete waste of time" - p0rt

http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&...pid2176023

p0rt is into multiplayer so thats his own limited perspective. im not interested to play the id tech 4 in multiplayer.

i guess some people will do a bugfree engine like ioquake3 and add some recent graphical features. this will take months to do.

with the new engine the modders could do standalone versions, rumor is the big doom3 total conversions like hexenmod and darkmod want that.

and with this new engine it is possible to port doom 3 and id tech 4 games on mobile platforms (illegal and ?maybe a offical game from id). im looking forward to this, im curious if the recent mobile hardware can handle the graphical requirements.

i guess we will see what comes from doomworld.org.

ewwww

MERRY CHRISTMAS! HO HO HO!

i have only one thing to say : fo with the fps cap already

I am playing with the doom 3 source code and I found this thread, I am trying to import some doom 3 models into 3ds max but it won't import them :(. I exported them from the editor as .obj

HELP!

You're better off going to www.doom3world.org - there is a whole forum dedicated to modelling there, and I imagine the whole import/export chain is mentioned in the forum history.

Try using der_ton's importer: http://www.modwiki.net/wiki/MD5_%28file_format%29#Tools

I tried all those tools :(

I select the object inside the editor.
Then I export it via the menu as 666.obj (its a hell section_I AM not diablo!)
Then I try importing it into max and it just does not recognise it :(

Like I said, try d3w. I am a coder, not an artist so I haven't really played with modelling. There are plenty of people at d3w who probably will know what you are doing wrong, including der_ton himself who has clearly successfully Imported models into 3dsmax.

The only thing that stands out to me , is that you seem to be doing something fundamentally wrong (or at least explaining what you want to do wrongly) - what are you selecting in the editor? It almost sounds like you are trying to export some brushes or mesh (ie, part of a map), and not a model? The models are separate .md5mesh files in the pk4 and you just import those directly via the import tools with no need to use the editor.

Are you aware of the D3 mod sikkmod? It adds lots of neat stuff like hdr, bloom and soft shadows. The problem is, hdr on makes it look like shit, way too bright. Any way to configure it the right way??

Yea, I don't like the HDR stuff that much - but there are lots of cvars to fiddle with the settings. I've not played around with them to get a more subtle effect but I imagine it is possible.

He is working on the d3 engine code, so I expect to see something interesting there, since the mod-only solution had a few performance killing hacks around not having access to some engine-side data.

Kinda unrelated but still: Is there a way to play OpenCoop without original CD keys?

Some of the older versions of software do not like filenames with numbers at the start.

I had a similiar problem myself ages ago and it nearly drove me nuts becuase it worked for some files and not others, of course, the one it did not work with was the one starting with a number.
Didn't know whether you laugh or cry when it worked cos I swearing to myself at that point :).

use lowercase letters for filenames, if you must use numbers, use them after the text.

basic stuff really, but easy to forget.