Looks like a nice map, nice colors, good amount of items. It's hard to give feedback just from the video though, is the map available for download? (that is if you are looking for feedback and the map isnt already 'done')

We aint sure yet if we'll give it out. Its considered done tho, if there aint any major issues.

Looks great!! I like the mix between narrow hallways & open areas.
Hopefully it gets played!

Awesome map! Can't wait for id to release it. Will there be an introduction on sinister aswell? I already had the pleasure to test it and I liked it a lot. Akm and you should really get more credit for making such nice maps... keep it up!

<3
Yes, will do a Sinister (Duel) Vid soonish as well.

is this a brand new map or the one that's on id's hands for months (maybe years) and is still unreleased?

If it's new: How about sending it to id with statements by lots of active tdm players / league admins / etc that they like it and want it to be released?

This might speed things up a bit. :|

Wont help, I'm sure that id wants to release it, but there seem to be some 'issues' atm.

ischju is mostly at the gym so he wont be any problem

over one year now, and still unreleased...

Its both, new and in id's hands :>

Why are you harassing my BNC on qnet?

isn't that what a bnc is for? aaaah I forgot some ppl are using it for keeping their nicknames, what a useful task...

I love messages like "hello", "are you here?", "xou?"

So useful !

hello, are u there? xou?

:baited:

yes why cant people just state their business, so we can answer when we are back >:(

looks very vertical, not sure if that's good or bad \:D/
gj

Intervention is also quite vertical and you can see how much people liked that map in QL.

doesn't seem as vertical as this

I don't think it is a style of map to replace Hidden Fortress but it looks closer to Deep Inside.

Yer, thats why I said Deep Inside, only mentioned HF cause its the most debatable map in the current pools imo :>

well deep inside isnt in the nationscup, so this should replace tornado.. or HF still

^this

but noctis likes tornado, what's your opinion now?

when noctis in tournament tornado can be played, when hes not in it can be switched.

who is noctis

That australian you know?

I commented on youtube. Good work, I wanna try it!

Liked it. It doesn't look like any of the current TDM maps, has some originality in it. Hope it gets played.

yep, watched the video several times and liked it aswell. got a feeling its going to have some balance issues at start though, northern (wups said southern before :D) side of the map has such good items/positioning on items. hope we get it soon though ;[

easily much more interesting than tornado or dm20.

if the lg turns out to be a problem (or in RA favour), it can easily be switched with sg or pg btw

btw, what happened to your map? didn't it get "presented" by lvl^ & send to id like a year ago? feels like it thou..

@yellack looks cool!

its done, id is informed, sync wants to add it. now we're just waiting

i could maybe do a similar presentation video of the final version with my rally finglish :D

do it would love to see it

"sync wants to add it" !

freakishly huge, but i like it :) need to be tested...

it looks small to me. Like big rooms but small map. You can have an encounter so easily in other words.

this would be bad because?
a) you are a pussy +backer who likes to hide with rail all day long
b) you are an idiot
c) all of the above

How did you know? :O?


Na I'm all +forward with rockets these days.

Looks good, thanks for taking the time to make the video presentation. I can't wait to see how it plays.

cant wait to finally see it released -.-

mmm... ;/

thx for the edit btw :*

looks like a fun map to play, gj.

Looks very nice. It's hard to have a feeling about the size (looks wide open from the vid?) without playing it, but it's clear you put some thinking into it. I like the overall connectivity, item placement etc.

The video presentation is a nice move! Looking forward to play it.

No it isn't huge, first thing i've realised about this map is how great it scaled, nicely balanced proportions. But i hope lg won't be a such problem because atm it looks like it'll be totally dominate red area.

u can rail to red, frmo rail

I doubt you will really get the opportunity to stand there for ages and rail to the red.

not ages, only 2 sec if u know timing

looks like a really nice map, good job on this

Another good looking map that sould be implemented into the game, a simple no brainer.

AND ALL THAT ON A TINY MOUSEPAD

movement failed tho :D

looks awesome. I like the open areas similar to dreadful with some narrow spaces with items and the open quad.

I don't know about the theme. It needs to be it little more browner... and a little more darker. Because it's not dark and brown enough. I play a lot of quake, and I don't have enough of dark and brown maps.I like dark and i like brown.

Wow, this is so exciting to see :D Very nice to look at this map :)

map looks really really nice. love the layout. atleast from the looks of it has the right tightness to the areas. not usually a big fan of pillars + tele from low to high but seems like it might work in this case.

whyd u decide to put the rail where it is tho? having a direct angle from rail to ra seems a bit meh.

anyways looking forward to playing it. on a final note can we please please not use that texture set? horrible grey textures...........

Textures are cool, grey is bestest.

you dont like t7 textures? o.0

god no. fucking ugly. hate grey. i prefer the brown from purgatory/ztn. anything but grey really. well almost.

for me its more brownish/greenish, I love em :s

i just overall dont like that texture set from t7 and t9. out of the new maps the ones i like the most are from swelts maps (hektik and tornado).

do it pink

I like T4 and T2 textures, your next project.

Looks and feels excellent, and the pillars and other layout details make it supreme.

new maaaaaaaap, yes! I wanna test it now - 4v4 goooo!

with what team

do I need a team to play 4v4? :D

well yeah. unless /addbot and forever alone mode.

Looks cool :D nice work

no void or lava ? :(

no bs, raw quad powaaaaaah

looks like awesome map, i hope it replace deep inside =)

looking good,make a vid with a 4v4 match to see if it is balanced and not a one sided map ;)

Can only play stupid bots :>
The map structure is fine, if its not balanced you only need to swap 1 or 2 guns, while I actually want a strong RA, you should benefit from having RA :)

Is it hard to make it into a q3 map?

Watching this again I'm not sure about the item placement. If you control the red you control the RG. Say you put 2 people on rail and 2 on LG or something like that, then you pretty much "enclose" the strong side of the map with your team. You got RG, LG, Red and a RL. Besides that you also have the vertical advantage to attack the quad. Taking all that into consideration the strong side feels a bit overpowered to me.
Really curious to see how it will play in a real match. For now I wouldnt change it.

I dont think you can control RG/RA & LG (+take mh), if thats the case, we move LG mostlikely

imho
team1 control ra and rail, and railing lg & yal & yau
team2 control ya & rl, mh, sometimes lg
when the teams met on quad, quad is dead or taken by team1!!!

Can you upload the map? Its wery hard to uderstand the map by video.

you are russian so u must be right

Looks like a very nicely designed map. Good job.

I think the map looks really good at least from the youtube video, i just hope id can pull their fingers out and get some new maps involved sooner rather than later.

whats wrong with dm6? ;>

damn from how many angles can you shoot to quad area with rail? :<
and lg right next to the teleport the team who has ra can just drop down on time and steal it go teleport and safe lg go home.

=((((

Seems pretty damn nice. The Furious Heights / House of Decay theme is replicated nicely, probably better than either of the aforementioned maps actually with the nice yellow+blue contrast, giving it a very atmospheric touch.

I also like the vertical aspect of it, which is sorely missing from other TDM maps which tend to have a flat feeling. (Flat = usually not fun) Seems kind of small / tight though for a 4v4 TDM map though, (if that is what you were aiming for) dunno why. But then again, so is Tornado. You even have a nice jump pad trap door gimmick like in Reflux. Gimmicks = good thing. (In moderation) Connectivity is spot-on.

Great job!

The map indeed looks nice, but from what I saw, I think there are not many possibilities to do trick jumps :-/

frs map is trick-jump-heaven, so theres hope for you :>

indeed it is.. that's why I miss it here :)

move lg and it will be perfect imo.

anyway amazing work.

LG is too close to QD, imo. Should be replace with MH or RG.

having seen the video I can't help but feel I have seen this map before?!

Anyway, looks like a fast paced map and with the positioning of the rail and shaft you will have to move out a lot out of the ra room in order to get the weapons. So, yes, I think ra is strong but not as strong as people might think imho.

Also, the quad area is massive. I like it somewhat but the pillars could be a bit smaller maybe... Dunno if that works, or not as the pillars allow you to rush to certain areas and you are up there.

LG is fine there imho. Where do you want to put it? You cannot swap it with rockets, or with rail. So you either have to swap it with something like mh or sg or w/e but I don't see it working that well.

What I like about this map is that timing of the weapons becomes as important as timing of the red and yellows. Although I'd be happy with a shaft or rail and only few shards as some of the rooms are quite open and allow for proper dodging.

My few thoughts. Hope they add it to quakelive. Community work ftw (: keep it up!

Community work ftw (: keep it up!

I second that ;)

Like i said lg is 2cms from a teleport so you can still it from above and go to the teleport into a safe location and yeah its really near quad. It looks like a fast paced map indeed something we have alot lately i guess .. In my personal opinion i don't even enjoy that much to play maps like dm14 coz the line between being good or bad there is so small but i kinda miss maps with that tactical side and where people actually put a brain in there on making them.

Quakelive tdm as it is, is all about wipe teams out with fast pace item control and solid aim.. i kinda feel we need more tactical maps to balance this.

Saying that i also want to congratulate fellow quakers for putting their time and effort into the game that is much aprecciated by all quakers i believe.

i think similar to you, we need more tactical maps.

Looks really nice, GJ. Just can't help to think it will be very rail heavy with alot of exits everywhere and alot of open space? I would remove the railslugs from the RED stairway and only keep the railslugs at GL/RL or maybe remove theese aswell so its like on HiddenFortress with only the railslugs the rail gives itself :-)

Maybe replace the LG with Quad YA or Quad SG?

My 2 cents.

ye, thought about removing rg slugs from RA as well, I think we'll do it

do it mate do it!

well done akm and yellack,

now im sure it will be implemented into quakelive in year 2013,

just like with the tdm map of frs, id has the map for ages now without releasing it :(

maps looks awesome. But there is one thing i dont understand about TDM maps, very often you see the best weapons (hitscan) near the main items, it's a total non-sens to me.

another thing, why does QL still doesnt have the dropable MG/MG ammo when you frag an opponent that was carrying it?

this seems like a map made in heaven for a rail heavy player like juven1le, winz or silencep. Theres so many wide open spaces and huge level differences. Have to wait how it works out i guess.

Kinda looks like a mix between tourney7 and ospdm6 in my eyes.

Deletion requested by user.

Single pu ftl. :<

Seems rail heavy. I don't really like these dark textures. It's hard to say anything about the map, without playing atleast 10 games on it, but huge spaces and "hard to guard" major items will prefer aim over teamplay, which I don't like... : ). We need more maps, like dm14 or osp5.

You are always welcome to create your own maps ;)

NetRadiant

cant download

netradiant-dependencies-mingw32-20120113-7z.exe

:<

I guess you need this: http://www.icculus.org/netradiant/files/netra...n32-7z.exe

thx.... any tutorial? :D

http://gotdelirium.com/bubba/bubba.planetquak...pping.html

For more: http://cityy.explicits.de/?page=q3links

thx look foward for new awesome duel map

Good luck!
Visit #q3LEM on quakenet if you have questions.

Well yea, good job and great effort anyway. May be it would turn out great to be played. Hope we'll see.

Looks abit small and too many weapons near RA apart from that it looks promising

Should we swap Quad-SG with LG?

YES/NO?

(personally think yes)

No.

yes, its pretty ez to dominate this map once u have control

Yes, its more risky to go there and take it for the team that has red control :)

I was more thinking it should swap place with the YA in the corner. Then you cant see if LG is spawned from above and have to take a chance by dropping down. Further more the water will make noise when you take it (unless you can jump across with normal jump). But swapping with Quad SG is allso an option.

I kind of like that but then you can 'easily' steal the ya :s
We'll fix something!

Maybe consider replacing the YA with a Green Armour then? :-)

LG+RA = GG
an overpowered ra room . it is easy to control and it gives u a comfortable pass to lg (dont forget the yellow armor) and rail.
a dude with lg and 150 armor ......
perhaps u should put rail a bit more away from ra

i actually like the idea of a strong ra room that you can control comnfortly, tdm maps lately lack structure

Should we swap Quad-SG with LG?
yes)

not sure if these ut99 open maps fit quake though..

How about placing lg on column next to yellow armor? crogII

shitty map

http://www.google.fr/imgres?q=shit+gold&u...&ty=73

AR4[i]BaLD* :)

<3

UPDATED:
1) removed the rg ammo from RA
2) Switched Quad-SG with LG
3) Made the high Quad entry (above tele) smaller, more like a doorway, so theres less view into the Quad Area. Also easier to recieve splash dmg etc.

Map is ready to rock :>

rday to rock for premium use?


haha

wuts funny mr anonymous?

if it s ever gonna be added, it s gonna be a premium feature.

Premium servers are all empty so what s the point ? Why not give it for free so we can use it in Q3 ?

all leagues and pickup etc use premium maps, purgatory and dreadful get played tons.
Get prem, join a clan, enjoy :>

Should definitely replace Deep Inside :D

w00pw00p! Good job akm and yellack! Looking forward playing it !

those weapon spawn markers are sweet, should be default on every map

i like this version more than the old one

they look good and they will help players out who are new to the map, good stuff

ye im gonna ask if we can use them on terminus aswell ;f

Yes, its quite handy indeed. I wonder though if when picmip is used those icons will be affected by it?

they aint, still crystal clear :>

Brilliant idea. Can you colour code them maybe too? Also would be nice to add some markers where spawn points are to help people learn them quicker.

regular player spawn points shouldnt be visible in any way during gameplay. cpma had that cool wireframe in warmup, ql should have the same

let s dream together ..

Why shouldn't they be visible? Everybody learns where they are anyway, might as well just speed up the process with some kind of marker.

first of all, everyone doesnt learn them for sure, since we got some guys in our clan who dont even know half the spawns yet...

wireframes in warmup are enough for those who want to learn them, same as item spawns should have timers on them during warmup. the game should offer the tools for easy learning, NOT do the learning for you

Yep I agree, but that is out of our hands so whats the problem with just showing where spawns are, like tele exits.

I agree with frs on this, as warmup is after all just that: warmup. When the game is on, several factors start seperating those that know the game well, and those not so well. This includes knowing spawnpoints, item times, player placement for maximum efficiency and so on.

On most of all the tdm maps that are popularly played, I know somewhere around 50% of the spawnpoints for example. Most of the time if I start learning new spawnpoints, the ones that I learned earlier on 'disappear' from memory. Thus, the memory gets replaced in this matter. I see this as my way of selectively choosing what is most important to know and prioritize with during the actual game. Spawnpoints, even though they might be crucial in dual, for example, is not at the same level important in TDM, as you, at a rate, spawn closer to your teammates than to your enemies.

spawn closer to your teammates than to your enemies.

I thought we agreed it was the other way around?

I want to point that we did NOT create them, they are already used in stonekeep, so we have to thank the syncmeister I believe :>
akm recoloured them.

would be cool to have a brand new texture set, so its a brand new feeling...

You should be paid to put those item markers in every single map we already have. It's such a simple idea but changes a ton for newbs and scrubs.

Fantastic work brah.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2228959#pid2228959
but thanks :>

with more 2-3 such quality tdm maps, tdm can grow 50% in 1-2 months, but ID should do their work fast.

Thanks for the nice update and for listening to the community's opinion about the map!

It's awesome to see new maps built by the community ^___^
I should build a map, too. Like back in the days.

Cool map, have you considered swapping the quad and the YA in the water?