I was playing this a few days ago, and was wondering about an update:) So much great work and lots of energy into this and not enough players... makes me sad:(

But thanks for the videos, hope others will also play some:)

ps.: just a suggestion, but next time the caster perhaps could pick a config with more visibility, or is it only me who thinks that somebody just recorded a monitor?

It's not the config... it's the horrible teal and orange aftereffect fisume happens to like, so he uses them on his videos... I can assure everybody the game is not this... TEAL.

I understand, but it's really hard to enjoy the movie like this:)
The Quake map is awesome!... I really like the fact that it's not trying to be Quake-ish and goes with a nice unique style, well done!.

Also LOL at the end of GF map3.

You should really ask some pro casters to help you out next time, dunno, but perhaps they are willing to help, but someone should introduce the map and the weapons for the viewers.. it would be much better that way:)

I suppose you talk about Warfare. Yep, that's a Quake1 remake.
Also, 0.6 will officially have a Darkzone remake too. It was merged into master just today. :)

Holy crap. Second guy on the right on the fifteenth picture from the linked blogpost. That's SO CASH.

Anyway, that game seems great. I like the movement and how maps have an actual vertical element. I might try it one day.

why they change weapon after every shot?

One of the weps is used to RJ.

hp regen seems silly

Welcome to 2012. The game is still 100x times better than slow fps games, this way might get some attention from the COD kids... Should be turned off for competition tho.

yeah I really don't care if it's in ctf, or ca or such... but it should not be a part of duel

It's not as bad as you think. It was a lot worse in Nexuiz, because there wasn't even a HP stack limit. In Xonotic your stats always try to regenerate/rot back to 100/100.
In default Xonotic settings stack is limited to 200/200 with any kind of HP/armour pickup, but there's config WIP (constantly, with communication between our 1v1 players and the devs) geared towards more competitive crowds called "XPM". I'm not sure about the details as I'm not interested in this part of the game that much, but I know the difference will be in stacking abilities, and projectile settings, meaning in default you can destroy eg. a rocket in the air, blowing it in your enemies face, in XPM you can't.

These things are little bit different than what you might got used to, but if you think after, HP regen means you have to play a bit more aggressively, so there's a chance gameplay will be even more fast paced, and this is also what makes Xonotic unique, and hence tried not to be the "millionth quake* clone".

Why you are so afraid of being "millionth quake clone"?

Did you ever think, that instead of it, you will actually achieve something else, which is wanted by everybody here - Quake game finally done right?

Edit: and BTW - you are already a quake clone. Deal with it! :)

"why shall I play this when it's the total ripoff of game X, and I already have that installed?"

This is the reason mostly. In case I wanted to play Quake, I'd just play Quake, with Quake physics, weapons, etc. Also, we like to tinker with stuff ;)

Also:

"which is wanted by everybody here - Quake game finally done right?"

Though it might sound harsh, but sorry, this is not our intention, to please the community of ESR. We have our own veterans too from Nexuiz times who like the game physics and weapons the way they are, and also, we have casual gamers too. We'd like to create a game that is both fun to play for n00bs and for those too who were born with a mouse in hand and built-in aimbots in the eyes. It's a freaking hard job, you can't totally please both the competitive and play for fun crowd at the same time. They are the same importance for us. We try to bring a unified balance, that can be fun for both parts. What we already learnt, is that some things will ultimately differ (like item and weapon placement on normal and "pro" versions of the same map like q3dm6).

Good luck then. :) You will need lots of it.

Thanks :) I hope you didn't misunderstood my message: ESR and competitive is important for us and has a high priority, but we won't sacrifice the "fun part" instead, and won't turn our back on the casual players either.

However, what I truly ask: try the soon to be released 0.6, and tell an opinion what you'd like to see, what would you change, but also, what do you like. Saying "it's crap" won't helps us by any means, because we'll never truly know what to change or just tweak.
I know I might ask a lot, but there are reasons you should try it anyway, because:

1: it's free, nobody asks you a penny for trying, so you can't loose anything there.
2: bandwidth and hard drive space can't be an issue, Xonotic is still tiny compared to commercial hits nowadays or even a few years ago
3: you might get a chance to have an enjoyable game if you provide input.
4: did I mention it's totally free? ;)

I definitely will try upcoming 0.6 and let you know what I think about it. :)

"which is wanted by everybody here - Quake game finally done right?"

Though it might sound harsh, but sorry, this is not our intention, to please the community of ESR

Please don't equate Quake fans with ESR. Even though I enjoy QL, I used to enjoy UT99 and other FPS. If you guys make a better game than Quake, and it ends up being more popular thank Quake, it would be awesome. So good luck with that. However, in order to make something better one has to understand what's already done right. Good game balance is something newbies recognize, not just "pr0s" like Dennis Fong who helped with Q3 game rules. You're doing yourself a disservice by mocking all the hardcore FPS knowledge that has been accumulated.

I loved watching these, thank you so much for uploading!

I'd be playing *way* more if more people played in NA. :( Maybe this will change in the future...

Keep up the good work.

I really dislike the futureistic look (especially the weapon design). Is it possible to picmip this game? And make the enemymodel one solid color? :D

As a mapper for the project ("artist", but heh how do I hate that form of address :D) and casual gamer, I never understood the need to turn the graphics into shit, but sure, the game is based on Darkplaces, a Quake engine, so you have all the tools to customise it the way you want.

The cvar is gl_picmip (also there's a cvar to only picmip world, in case you'd only like to picmip the map):

Comparission shots:

Without picmip:
http://pics.nexuizninjaz.com/viewer.php?file=...of7kgi.jpg

gl_picmip 1337 (everything above iirc 7 looks like this, but you get the pun):
http://pics.nexuizninjaz.com/viewer.php?file=...e5n2ka.jpg

Note the relatively small FPS change. That's because the first shot was taken with all possible eye candy on, and they are still present on the picmipped one too.

Also, in 0.6 there'll be a way to force enemy models too client side (the videos were recorded with 0.5, and forced models server side). The "competitive model" is called mega erebus (that's the one you can see on the videos too), and while it's not fully only a glowy blob, with gl_picmip 1337 it will be. Urgh...

I think a lot of quakers will be happy with this ^^

It's not about "turn(ing) the graphics into shit", but about making it better. The second one is what you need when you play @144Hz on a professional high-end CRT monitor. The uniform surfaces and the smooth gradients combined with bright enemy models produce a much higher visibility, and (because we so used to it) it also looks and feels much better for many of us:)

Oh, now I see and understand. Now that was never a problem for me, simply because I never had the cash (nor the urge tbh :P) to have a a professional high-end CRT monitor, so I never knew about this problem, but thx for the clarification :D

Yes,. but I think you misunderstood me a little. If you move the mouse really fast (a flick shot for example), the only thing you want to see standing out from the background is the enemy. You don't want other features and little details there to draw your attention, only the enemy nothing else.
This is true on a 60HZ LCD monitor as well.. I just emphasised on the feel, because picmip 1337 also feels better for many of us at high Hz.:)

Understood again.
On a slightly offtopic note, I just got word from our main coder, that after 0.6 there'll be an option to use simple items too.
Reason it's not there that it needs quite some code overhaul (that's necessary and will be done anyway, but I don't want to bother anybody with technical details), and we'll need to make those models too (though making some simple sprites are not at all hard, just nobody did the job yet), so expect this coming in 0.7 or later. we really don't want anything to draw your attention from fragging ;)

Yes, and the last thing I would like to add to this subject is that there is a huge pile of psychology involved about the picmip thingy as well.
Quakers are using "dumbed" down graphics for more than 10 years, and some of us for more then 15 years. All the best moments, all the successes and all the fun is connected to these kind of memories. You don't need a nostalgic or emo personality to get affected by picmipped graphics after such a long time period:)
Most of the QL players are using all available eyecandy in QL (its shamefully outdated:/), but keep picmip at a high number just to maintain that desired look.

Tbh, the only thing I would add to the picmipped QL graphics is true realtime soft shadows and high quality ambient occlusion... and it would be complete for me, because radiosity and other stuffz can be accomplished with prebaking them into the lightmaps/textures like how it is done now:)

I would also jump to the bait about the simple items, but I have no real feel/idea about weapons:/.. I can't find anything but stupid instagib servers when i want to play, so I only tried the weapons while playing offline a few games:(

Join #xonotic.pickup on quakenet irc, and I can assure you to find some competitive 1v1, or even tdm.

On the psychological aspect, for the note: I fall in love with FPS games when I went to high-school, and we had Quake2 in the computer lab (I still look at Quake2 as my all time favorite FPS). The computers were soo old and crappy, we could only play in 320x240 software render, with sv_picmip and sv_mipscale to the lowest settings possible in fullscreen to have fluent game and high FPS all the time. Best days of my life :)

dm6 naice

Thx, it took me a good few weeks to tweak that map and fix all issues for 0.6 eg. player clipping so you never hang on wall ornaments, textures for better contrast with gl_picmip 1337 (yes, I do cared for that too :D ), proper hinting for max performance etc.

relatively small? it's almost the double!

No, that is still relatively small.
Let me demonstrate again:

http://pics.nexuizninjaz.com/images/827buxhunqmkil7hi55.jpg

This picture has every kind of eye candy you can imagine in Xonotic, like high quality framebuffer, HDR lighting, motion blur, offset mapping, relief mapping, gloss mapping, highest quality textures, patches etc.
Fps: 72

http://pics.nexuizninjaz.com/images/mxzdc151jq9ow0fthu9.jpg
Lowest graphical settings avaible from menu plus gl_picmip 1337.
Fps: 269

370% of FPS raise :P

Oh now I see what you meant

I have to say though, psychology or no, the game looks so much better with higher picmip. :>

im downloading this RIGHT NOW!!!

shameless self-advertising of worst ql movie ever made=DDDDDD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3ewHF6Ufk

too much flashing shit :(

o.o custom circle

got it all :{

I'd say wait a few days with downloading, else you might go in rage you have to redownload almost everything again, as 0.6 won't have a patch from 0.5 (simply too much got changed, the two versions are not even compatible).
Also, apart from some nice shaftings and that RL frag on Aerowalk, yeah, your movie suxx :P At least next time use some unified graphics settings.

yeah, ill definitly gonna play some more if you're able to limit the amount of screen flashes and explotions =)

its was never supposed to be a fragmovie, its just random clips i frapsed whenever i felt like it, had numberous frags that were better, but had no intetion of making a movie so them be wasted yo

"if you're able to limit the amount of screen flashes and explotions"

The menu will have a complete overhaul in 0.6 to move options to a more convenient place, but iirc you can find all the settings in 0.5 in the menu too to completely disable screen flashes, blood, gibs, view bobbing, weapon swinging, bobbing etc.

yeah, find a lot more when i looked around for it =)

edit: I still support my opinion 100% but it's better to discuss this on irc I guess

movement consists of holding a button and going fast.
too many weapons.

it's kinda like an even worse version of warsow.

I suppose you got these experiences from at least a few days of playtesting online pickup matches with real opponents...

must... not... feed.. the... troll... urgh... can't resist!

Exactly my first thoughts since I really dislike tech gimmicks or the overcomplicated weapon systems (like the retarded ammo system in Warsow for example), but strangely, it doesn't feel like that when you play it.
Yes the movement is simpler compared to quake and probably has a lower skill ceiling, but that's what you need when you want to find a balance between the pros and the COD-kids, and - surprisingly - it was fun to play in its own way, and was not annoying for me at all.

Also, there's a not yet written rule, but there are core weapons, and additional ones.
Core weapons are :
Laser, shotgun: you spawn with these, laser is mainly "jumping tool", shotgun has melee on secondary
Nex =rail, with power up function, so you need to wait a little to fire with full potential
Crylink: focusable energy gun, also, bounces back from walls
Electro: the main power lies in the combo ability
Grenade launcher: secondary goes off 0.5 seconds after impact, so you can time it
Rocket launcher: holding the primary fire you can stear it a little, secondary detonates mid air
Machinegun: secondary is a small, but more accurate burst

All the current 1v1 maps only feature these core weapons, and not all of them at the same time on the same map anyway, so I don't think it's too much. Ok, one map has the HLAC, but that'll soon be removed, so I don't count it there.

Fun weapons: minelayer, minstanex, sniper rifle, fireball, port-o-launch, the @!#%'n Tuba and the @!#%'n Accordeon, onhand grapple, but these are NOT present on any competitive maps, they are only in the game for fun and personal amusement.

Those fun weapons are good imo.. Q3/QL also has mines which is very popular among casual players... I know some who only plays because of that weapon, so - even if I don't like it at all;) - they are a must.

qw dm6 in a no-quake game : KILL IT WITH FIRE

It played out fairly well i think....
I'd like to see DM_Sacred from PK think it could work well with this game aswell.

looks like an awesome game, definitely gotta try

how much configuration is needed to get started? Like what necessary tweaks are there besides mouse/keyboard re-mapping?

That really depends on your taste. There are quite a few predefinied graphics settings, but those are only low-ultra settings, and they don't cover gl_picmip 1337 and other stuff by any means. Pr0 players say that the default HUD config is overcramped, I can't judge that by myself, because I don't care. I once configured my own HUD, then lost my config file (I develop the game, it happens I mess my configs up), and never bothered to redo it. You can literally change every setting you like, but there's no "designed for pr0 players Dennis Thresh Fong approved" config provided by default.

Did netcode improve in 0.6? I tried with 0.5 an FFA match and with ping 70 it was quite laggy, borderline to unplayable.

Just for the note, PCLizard who came in second in the tourney played all the way with 150 ping, from NA to an EU server. I suppose that depends a lot on the server too.

Good news. Definitely will try 0.6 :)

Fantastic! So does this mean US players can play relatively well on EU servers? I know this certainly isn't the case in QL.

Now I understand that I was on a newer server with 0.5 client - hence lag problems. Waiting for 0.6 now. :)

yes, 0.6's netcode feels better. Much better than QL's one.

P.s. But still Warsow's netcode is da best!)

I can't agree with warsow's netcode being that good.

I can't agree with your can't agree.

I don't mean to say that it's not good, just not that good.
It's great pings at 30-80ms I'm sure, but feels wonky <30 and >80.

Yeah, wonky, But HUGELY playable. :)

not past 150ms and your connect has to be dead stable at 150 for it to be playable.

who the fuck tries to play a game with 150 ping ?

people who love the game and have no choice <---

me. I've played some games with americans at 170ping and with japaneses at 250ping. Just for fun and for getting experience in games with high ping. Yes, it was hard to hit from rockets, but eb(rail), lg and rg(shortgun) feel more useful than ql's ones at 85-90.

gameplay looks warsowish except even more watered down. still might try it out.

ps: gotta say i like the sleek/clean looks on the maps tho.

Just avoid Campgrounds at all cost man, don't even look that way:D

Guessing from the qualities of duel gameplay I would suggest to rename Xonotic to Chaotic.

Tolsto. Pod'yob ne zaschitan.

Speak english, please.

But seriously, at the moment Xonotic duel gameplay is even more chaotic then in Warsow. And combining fast movement and fast projectiles will lead to situation when this game will be fun to play - but not so fun to watch. And jump sounds absence makes it only worse, IMO.

And is it only me glitching or Xonotic rail equivalent has some sort of splash damage? Also, in one demo I saw damage done through the floor, to the opponent staying on higher level. Again, it happened only once so I'm not sure that it wasn't something else. :)

No, the Nex doesn't have splash damage, but you're right about the damage through floor (and not just floor, but walls too). It's there for all explosive weapons. However, I'm not exactly sure how much qu the damage goes through.

this game looks so much better than QL. why arent we playing this?

I tried it...pretty meh but it could have potential.

download link on their website is broken :(

/e: nvm, working now.

Whoever wants to try this game, don't get the 0.5 version which is very outdated (you get choppy movement and bad netcode online on newer servers).
Either wait for the 0.6 release which will be there in a couple of days or get the autobuild beta which is almost 0.6 and includes an updater: http://xonotic:g-23@beta.xonotic.org/autobuild/Xonotic-latest.zip
Gameplay in 0.6 got less chaotic too, due to a slightly increased weapon delay, health/armor cap in duel and weaker weapons which got strengthened - so you can't go +fwd all aim with hectically switching weapons anymore.

Will try it in a week then <3

Thanks, yes, I forgot about that to mention (or I may have somewhere, not sure :D ).
So, people, like asyyy said, DO NOT DOWNLOAD 0.5! It is incompatible with 0.6 and the development versions. Use the autobuild tool he linked to get the latest daily build!

Sounds better.

As I understand, lack of jump sounds is game design decision?

I don't know the exact reasoning for that but I think that it's because of the fast weapon switch time which would make jumps very risky otherwise. But there is a sound when the model hits the floor so you can predict your enemies movement. I will try to put a recent duel demo with my ingame settings for you on youtube to show how gameplay is atm. Might take some hours with my not-so-fast pc and crappy upload rate though :x

Thank you!

Btw. the engine has an ingame video renderer, right into youtube friendly ogg. The best thing is that you can render your demos in any graphical settings, the screen might show 2-3 FPS, but the produced video will be still 30 or whatever you set to in the console.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyTDKsijG3Q
Some random practice match.

is there a way to get sense/accel exactly like in QL yet?

Sensitivity is the same but for accel you need to use something like http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1944158 atm
If there are enough requests I think that there is a good chance that devs at least put the classic cl_mouseaccel code into xonotic. As it's easily available @ http://svn.icculus.org/quake3/trunk/code/clie...iew=markup for example it shouldn't be a big deal, but I'm not a coder so I can't promise anything.

its a fun game..but it sucks that all of the NA servers are empty on multiplayer =\

back to QL i guess

So, there are no enemy jump sounds and the best sound cue is the weapon change?!

Or is this not the case when in game?

Not exactly. Jump sounds are not enabled by default. I'm not sure about it, but I think it must be enabled server side.
Landing sounds are there however, and stepsounds too on surfaces that support it (eg. Metal clangsounds).

WHY :o

landing sounds, footsteps, jumppads, teleporter, rocket jumps...

Yes, but there are no enemy jump sounds.....

A distinctive jumping sound like keel's would be nice.

I'm well aware of the other sounds made by the enemy during play.

how large of a playerbase does this have thus far? still waiting for .6 to hit the website before i download

http://stats.xonotic.org/
Might give u an little overview of the current playerbase

also http://dpmaster.deathmask.net/?game=xonotic

So, does anyone have any idea when 0.6 is coming out? D:

CaptainAhab

Should be this month..considering 0.6 was meant to be coming out back-end of February. Hopefully in a week's time I guess.

In reply to both of you guys just above, I can only quote myself from desura:

"Sorry for the delay, we had some real life problems for several dev members (don't want to go into details), hence they coulnd't finish features and fix bugs in time, but now everything seems to be somewhat settled down, so expect 0.6 to be released VERY SOON."

w00t

I've heard you like simplified graphics, forced enemy models with fullbright skins and high FPS:

http://pics.nexuizninjaz.com/images/ueejxb1l466iuvbhxazr.jpg
http://pics.nexuizninjaz.com/images/esodm40el06rr53z78u6.jpg

Avaible in Xonotic 0.6... soon... ;)

Just a little question, i tried the 0.5 but i don't remember.
Is there some sort of simple items ? (drawn in 2D)

Like I said above simple items are not yet in the game, but it's on our TODO list.

http://xonotic.org/2012/03/xonotic-0-6-is-now-available/

Looks like it could do with some good maps... and the weapons toned down? all fights seem to be long distance, players camping the same area waiting for enemy to comeback.

Is it the maps or the weapons or both that seems to force this kinda of gameplay?

play warsow.

+1

while I don't like xonotic it seems like it's progressing on the right direction, and quite fast.

on the other hand, warsow lost it's way on its 0.32 version, to the point even devs consider ctf a lost cause and now they are going to use the community made game balance after not getting it nowhere right in 7 years. Also it's being developed very, very slowly.

thing is I can't think of a superb f2p quake clone, and I think I've tried all the major ones.
It's pretty sad to see the community couldn't create a single independently released alternative to quake live or to any of the other major commercial fps games, including their mods.

tl;dr: quake live and cpma >>>>>>> warsow, xonotic, urt, openarena, wop, bisou, etc.

"and now they are going to use the community made game balance after not getting it nowhere right in 7 years"
the fuck you talking 'bout ?

eh maybe give it a whirl sunday or something, promode 2ez

#xonotic.pickup - that's where to get games, help with config etc. Most people there are very helpful.