Why not just stop advertising leaked and illegal materials?

doesn't change a thing after atleas two people have posted it

"doesn't change a thing for them"

FTFY

who cares really

im actually kinda looking forward to red rover

Same, wtf is this ?

basically individually scored CA. Could revive the game a bit if it isn't premium content.

I described it here

Same same same!

What are you talking about op? Quakelive is in the prime of its time, its doing better day by day. It was never in a better state, game is very good.

lol.

All new modes will fail as Freeze Tag due to Premium only.

theyll fail harder if theyre pro only like PQL.

"five new gametypes for our Pro Start-a-Match players"

but what do u except, when u say on irc that these new mods will end like pql they answer "give stuff for free wont make ppl pay", this game is managed by moron

I've always been wondering how exactly more free stuff and less "premium" stuff would make more people pay. Since you seem to know a lot on the subject, would you care to explain, please? I have my own idea about what the perfect system would be and it's neither id's system nor your. I'd be happy to change my opinion.

well you havent elaborate your opinion either have you? pot calling the kettle black.

This is true. However, I haven't called those who don't agree with me morons.

It's not the best moment for me to explain what my system would be but I can give a link to a thread I made after QL went out of beta where I threw out some ideas :
http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php...nhancement
It's been a long time since then and there are probably some things I would change...

why shoudl quakelive be free to play at all?

free subscribers should be allowed to play a total ammount of games then be required to pay or somehow ge tanother account :)

just make them premium pub, pro only is 100% wasted dev time

The problem right now is that you can't play those premium maps or modes no matter whether you're subscriber or not, because if you are not subscriber, you don't have access to them and if you are subscriber you don't have anyone to play with, there is no activity.
So id software can continue to add and add stuff to pro/premium zones, but that stuff has zero value, because it is unusable for majority of QL players who are not pro gamers and don't use various elitist pickup channels and stuff like that.
But: people still pay. So if they continue to do so, it means they're doing it not exactly for that unusable pro content that just sits idle on their HDDs, but because of other things like no ads or premium cvars, stats, scoreboards, server options, whatever. So if that content was made available for everyone to use, it would just add value for both free and premium members, and make them both more likely to start or continue paying, it's a win/win situation, which, unfortunately, id does not want to choose.

^ This

I'll disregard the fact that I play premium content regularly and believe that anyone can too with minimal effort and go on. Would it be because of subscriber's laziness or the bad model, it doesn't matter much since not a lot of people play premium stuff. As you said, making it free would then add value for everyone. I don't think that subscribers would continue to pay nor that newcomers would pay in that situation, but I'll go over that too. Now I'm gonna tell you why it's never gonna happen : id most likely doesn't want to earn its money without giving anything special in return. I'd be really surprised accepted to be paid solely out of pity.

Just some trivial premium award stats:
"Get more frags than deaths in a game." - 18924 players - which is good approximation of total amount of premium players.
"Play 10 matches on a premium arena." - 5521 players.
Which means pretty much that 70% of subscribers never managed to play even 10 premium games!
If you're not dueler, I just don't see how you can find regular premium games (without using special "elitist" methods). All that I notice when I'm browsing for games is occasionally a CA game on Overkill maybe a couple times per week, and that's it.

A friend list isn't an elitist method.

I'm not saying that having to use that in order to play premium stuff is the best thing ever. I'm just saying it's very easy yet very few even try it.

Maybe I shouldn't use the word "elitist", but anyway, if you have so many friends that play quakelive regularly, then you already belong to certain kind of community that most people aren't.

more people playing at all -> more people pay

successful pc games are almost always managed through completely free content with microtransactions. id once again behind 5 years+

No.
The playerbase has an influence on the amount of players that will subscribe, of course. But you're not only increasing the playerbase, in that scenario. You're also reducing the value the subscription has for the players.
So basically the number of players will be higher but the proportion of subscribers will be lower. And if you drop the quality of the paying product too much, you may very well end up with a proportion so low it will get you a lower income than before. With a greater cost on top of that since there are more players.
I think that just giving away all of the premium content for free would lead to such a problem.

You're also reducing the value the subscription has for the players.

That's very debatable concerning the premium subscription and just not true for the pro sub.

So basically the number of players will be higher but the proportion of subscribers will be lower.

IMO it would be more like 'double the playerbase, triple the subscribers'

enjoy dead game

MAKE NEW GAMETYPES FREE FFS

Oh, they are tinkering with the scoreboard again. Looks like another quality update coming right up.

i hope so, cause right now, for team mods, premium scoreboard is total shit :(

While it is a great update, I expected more and better maps.

10 would have been nice, and we already knew wcp14 and spacecamp were coming soon so it leaves us with 3 "new" maps": 2 from quake arena arcade (the castle one looks nice but who knows about gameplay), and another that's not on the patch notes but probably is yellack's tdm map.
That leaves us with 0 new maps. Even worse than that, sponge wrote in 3/15/12 that q2dm1 is not going to be added soon or probably never will.

I remember playing about a thousand maps in q2 (aq2 had lots lol) and q3 had hundreds of very well done maps as well with great packs such as OSP, CPM, WCP, RA3, etc. In QL there are about 10 being played in pub team based gametypes and 5 in duel. In premium matches there are about 10 and 5 more respectively, but still that's simply a huge lack of content.

I'd have preferred a patch that only includes all W and WCP maps. Probably they have the rights to do, considering the latest patches, so why not. Same goes with RA3 arenas.
My personal favorites are the OSP maps though. It's more or less understandable they have not done a retexturing work for q2dm1 in more than a year, since working is not a part of id's plans since 1999, but they could have just get the rights for ospdm1 and release it.

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Camper Crossings (CTF/A&D/1-Flag/Harvester/Domination):
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FIXME
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Jumpwerkz (CTF/A&D/1-Flag/Harvester/Domination):
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FIXME
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Cliffside (FFA/Domination):
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FIXME
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Space Camp (FFA/CA):
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FIXME Bonus Map from April Fool's 2011

dunno where you got the idea yellack's map was going to be in the patch or the fact it isnt new

"Rounding out this package are three new arenas including the popular Camper Crossings, and two arenas from the Xbox 360 version, Quake Arena Arcade."

and then it only mentions 4 maps, which are wcp14, the 2 QA:A maps, and spacedm6.

it says there are going to be 3 maps, 1 of them being camper crossings and 2 from xbox 360 (jumpwerks and cliffside). and all of them are listed + a bonus map for april's fools

I hoped they are going to release spacedm6, since there's no point in not doing so. It is 3 maps then and yellack's efforts are still being wasted.

so glad I didn't buy a pro account lol.

--------Allow Self-Kills-------

THIS

bring back ctf :D

i already see the evil smile on detlewwwww---s_ face ... :)

So basically no ladders, no gtv, (or at least a proper advertisement for all live streams with an option to watch them straight from ql.com) no new maps. I fuckin' cannot believe this, how did they come up with the idea we need shitty new game modes? Anyone ever suggested that? How about LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY?

id might be a great example of tremendous failure to be discussed during introductory classes of marketing for undergraduates

Actually, they think they are listening to the community with new game modes. There have been multiple popular threads on the QL forum about adding new ones. My personal favorite from Q2 (jailbreak) didn't make the list though :(

These modes could add some refreshing new energy as people try them out. However, I fear that like many comments here, they'll go the way of FreezeTag -- empty except the 2 weeks of the year that it's free.

you meant holywars right

Nah, HolyWars is just like quad hog. Jailbreak is where it's at: http://planetquake.gamespy.com/View.php?view=...&id=59

Of course, it take special maps, so I doubt we'll ever see it for QL.

it's the manlier (and heretic) version of quad hog. Much, much better in every way and it ensures awesome pub matches for years, appealing both noobs and competitive players looking for something better than pub stomping FFA.

on the other hand, jailbreak is one of those mods that had a very small playerbase and that isn't as good as people remember it. It doesn't appeal noobs nor decent players, which is the case with 3 out of the 5 upcoming mods (attack & defend, 1-flag ctf, harvester). It'd end just like freezetag.

yep. why they added harvester i have no idea lulz... TA runes and maps along with half the other useless maps in the game shouldve been scrapped along time ago tbh.

But Jailbreak had turrets!!! How could noobs not love that??

Maybe it's not as good as I recall....

I've got my hopes on RedRover, but really up in the air about the others.

I've got my hopes on RedRover, but really up in the air about the others.

why? redrover was never a popular mod in q3 at all. itll surely fail if its not a free gametype.

I skipped Q3. Played Q2 in grad school, then had babies and a new job and not much gaming, so I've never played RedRover.

In reading the descriptions, this one sounds most interesting to me as an overly aggressive CA player who spends most of the time dead, even when I'm leading in points :|

The only other one that looks at all interesting is Harvester, but idk yet. Seems kind of like a CTF replacement, and NA CTF has enough problems already without splitting the player base.

But, as mentioned all around, if all these are Premium only, we'll just be seeing a bunch of empty servers after the first week anyway and it'll be business as usual.

do u mean u skipped q2 and played q3? thats what i did. I didn't like q2 slow rockets....double jumping.....and too many immature players and grappling rail servers...haha q3 was the most cheater pleasing out of all of them....trust me on that. and no matter what quake came out at that time it would of been popular.


but when q3a came out...I got the word it was more legit...and i was all over it! and I thank q2 for the rail gun.

u never played any quake before QL noob. otherwise u wouldnt be so fucking stupid. nice lies though.

No, for the record, I never really played Q3 online at all. I still have the CD around somewhere and installed it fairly recently, but at the time just wasn't online gaming.

For Q2, I ran a server from our office at college, so dialing into the school's modem bank, I pinged about 90-120, which was downright awesome.

So all the Q3, Q3a mods I don't have any experience with at all. Looking forward to trying these all out, but my expectations are in check.

I'm interested in domination mode. i picture big maps and crowded server :) awsomeness.

if you have a p4 time to upgrade haha.

I might have to take it off triple post processin haha

iirc it was a decent mod but most people never bothered playing it since CA was obviously the better choice for both casual and competitive play. it does have potential to generate a small following though since CA is now whored to death

are you replying to my post about domination mode?

i never knew it iexisted before. alll i ever played years ago was ra3 and maybe cpma duel now and then.

i was replying to dr ed's post. and domination never existed in quake (its a UT mod)

ohhh nice.

i use to play alot of the original ut and ut2004...but only tdm.

always wished they had a ra mod for ut...did they?

Actually it did for both q3 and q4 (although i know it wasnt played much) In q4max try "callvote mode Dom"

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think you missed a few lines with new maps coming.

I meant duel maps, I mostly play duel so in my head it's the primary mode, but yea, you're right

welcome to ctf world, until pp1 arrived we had no new maps for a year. then after that another map drought period began and lasted almost a year.

well, i might be wrong actually, but there was no new maps that made it to the competitive pool so it's like there wasn't any.

wow id never fails to disappoint

That's their corporate motto, it seems. :)

MAYBE THEY MORAN?

No, this is called "corporate strategy".

OKAAY

Those mods need to be FREE and perhaps make some maps premium. Otherwise it wount work.
CTF,TDM,DUEL is popular, because everyone can play it and pickups are active.

1.people play the mod on pubs
2.think its fun, so they play it alot
3.find/create a clan or have an urge to play better players/
4.pickups, clanwars, where at least 1 out of 4 buy PRO acc
5.Profit?

I just imagined a "host" account subscription, that costs X times as much as the "pro", but allows you to spawn servers where premium content can be played by standard users.

Possibilities are endless, but unfortunately, id software is not interested in pursuing them...

I'm not sure about that. They are slow, they may focus on things we consider low priority, etc, but they do listen a bit.

Despite the fact this may be seen as the wrong cause by some individuals, I think having a great idea is no excuse for poor presentation/communication.

and that doesn't expire

surely you understand that less ppl will buy pro if that would happen?
its funny how everyone just want id to release everything for free, its like they don't understand that you need money to run stuff...
i just don't understand how $24 for a year is much money for some ppl or even $48...

Gametypes limited to premium users are redundant.

No mention of anticheat in this patch so I could care less about it.

noone is gonna play any new game modes like pql or FT only few people playing. Ofc if it would be free it would have more attention and ql is more active and more lans

I like the fact that people screams for updates, and when it gets updated, people starts to cry about how you need to PAY for certain features... Pay for stuff? Who would've thought?

The problem is that what community wants - and what id does - are totally different things, and this being this way since QL inception.

you shouldnt be forced to pay to unlock core features in any game tbh. gamemodes are definitely core features of this game that should never be charged for especially considering the lack of activity in this game already. same with competitive maps as well.

I agree totally on this, but running the game is not free, and costs cash. In order to make the game float, they need cash, so of course they're going to make people play for certain features. This kind of thinking, of course, is flawed in many aspects, since, as you said, you need to able to at least enjoy the basic features of the game without having to pay for them. Nevertheless, I think it's the most prominent action to take, 'cause I don't think they have a strategical planner and therefore going a lot with gut-feeling.

There are ways of making people pay for features and still be able to give people the most of it. I think the solution lies in listening to the community. They kinda did that, but some aspects cost money to develop, e.g implementation of PunkBuster, or an anticheat, into a browser-game. It takes time, effort and salaries.

With that said, I agree on it, I just wish people would stay a bit positive when the game's finally getting updated, although it's for all the wrong things. :D

everyone needs cash. thats not anyone's problem but their's. ID could easily fix that if they were smarter about their approach and management of their own game. and i'd imagine its hard for anyone to stay positive when they've wasted their hard earned cash for little to nothing of value.

Can't believe you said something that isn't completely stupid. Have a plus.

we all say stupid things occasionally, even europeans.

People don't complain about paying rather about for what you pay!

a lot of us have no problem in paying, but we pay for what??... for new game modes and maps that nobody will play, because of the stupid subscription scheme.

Actually with their policy they hurt their paying customers and no the free ones. The non-subscribers don’t really care. They just want to login some times per week and play ca, ctf, ffa or duel in ztn and that’s it. The subscribers on the other hand, have access to modes and maps that nobody plays and that hurts!!!

stop doing that ffs, it is retarded

whats even more bizarre is that red rover gets added before duel arena when duel arena was probably the most popular RA3 mode played. honestly, whats the point of having maps like thunderstruck and evolution if theres no duel arena mode to properly play them on? you would think they would prioritize on that first so we can have a proper queue system. who the fuck actually played red rover?

what the fuck is the point of adding rocket arena dual maps if they can't be played the way they have always been played, not just in RA3 but going all the way back to rocket arena from quake 1.

What a complete waste of very good maps that could help keep or grow the player base, but they prefer to add shitty fucking game modes ahead of the queue system which has been one of the most heavily requested modes for a long time now.

what a bunch of assholes. Who would pay for this shit. Play tribes ascend its a lot better, free, and really popular.

ra3 is what you want to measure by dude heh.

1v1 is corny as shit.

i'm still laughing at the facebook account that sent me a message about a 1v1 and 2v2 ca tourney....

1v1 CA? really? haha all thats about is run at each other and see who has the best aim. boring and SUSPECT!.....duels are the only game mode where i think map items keep it sportlike and fair.

If they seperated stats or had more public unranked matches. I would actually play duel.

but for team games i would love to see at least a 4v4 ca tourney...anyone?

haha all thats about is run at each other and see who has the best aim. boring and SUSPECT!

CooloutAC: Accuracy: 27.70%

lol.

and ur point is?

you think the came should be about who has the better aimbot?

theres reason duel is a more popular 1v1 mode man...


now i understand why the only cliques of people you hang out with in this game are all hackers.

now i understand why the only cliques of people you hang out with in this game are all hackers.

such as..?

and how would you know who i hang out with, you dont even play in my tier lol.

such as everyone you expose?

you remind of this guy danstar, who thought had a nice post last week. i befriended him...cause i know hes always online......and he constantly was showing me all the cheaters hes following around. Which is cool...

but after a while you start to wonder....does they guy ever play the game normally? I mean does he even play quake....or does he just hang out with cheaters all day trying to snitch on them. Then you gotta wonder hes kind of suspect himself.

but i mean he was always a notorious slum lord, but i still was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. I mean hes in europe but you hear about these guys on the forums lol....thought maybe he changed.

but then he has to admit to me, like dutra, he has a couple banned accounts. and of course like dutra hes gonna tell me for harassment. and of course like dutra...hes a notorious slum lord.

i laugh at most of these players...who really believe in their mind...they are not obvious without demos and just by account profile most of the time.

Guys like you might of convinced id to stop banning by profiling in beta dutra, and convinced them to not take their 5 tiered skill matched system seriously. But noone is gonna convince me to shit on the game i grew up with. still the most sportlike video game in history.

such as everyone you expose?

i dont hang out with any of those guys lol shows how much you know

to be precise, i was banned twice on my main account for crossing some bullshit rules in literature :)

you just said banned accounts, i don't have any account banned - but this one has had 2 expirated bans on its back.

who the fuck cares, you're intrepreting everything the way you percieve it, without knowing anything to back it up either, so please just shut the fuck up blob. :D

just a cooncidence ur another notorious tier slummer who hangs out on hacker servers.


just a cooncidence....i know....lmao.

i slum tier 4 players >:)

something you won't ever be able to do, because you prefer whining over just playing, what a boring troll you are.

the irony bout you is that you said yourself, you check your tier rating after every positively kdr you've had, to see if you're tier 4 so you try to go back down in tier 3 instead of learning the game you fucking mong? you're the perfect example of what you are complaining about all along.

you check your tier rating after every positively kdr you've had, to see if you're tier 4 so you try to go back down in tier 3 instead of learning the game you fucking mong?

ROFL does he? lmfao i cant believe how terrible this guy is. tier 4 isnt even difficult, its mostly full of shitties now anyways.

Do you have to throw your shitty, paranoid agenda into every thread you post in? You're just like Ray, two peas in a pod. Crazy people.

w/e helps you sleep at night. whats crazy is people like you deny the fact...that everything i petition for is already in other games....or was already in ql beta.

tell yourself i'm asking for an impossible fantasy in your own little head....but keep it to yourself before you look like a the inbred ignorant redneck fool you prolly are.

coolout if you're older than 18 well... i feel sorry for whoever raised such a failure lol.

The udpate itself is great, but the idea of premium only makes it useless. If they would make ATLEAST FT AND A FEW OLD AND OVERPLAYED PREMIUM MAPS FREE, they woulld have a great success.

I turn to dark side, and i say that premium content like maps and mods should be free, while premium must have other features, that are actually worth paying

while premium must have other features, that are actually worth paying

What exactly are you suggesting there?

i'd pay for stats wipe feature for example.

scrap the premium bullshit already

Just a question on the side: would it even be legal for id so suddenly make stuff free? I'm sure there are going to be people who felt like they payed so that they could play freezetag/profit of the new updates. They can't just make those things free because then there would be a shitstorm of another kind.

Hm, Valve made TF2 free to play, and nobody sued it yet. :)

That's a good point but it's not a subscription. I dunno.

also everything besides maps and mods that is premium now can stay premium no prob. sure there might be some whiners but I think they'd be greatly outweighed by subscribers that are happy about that decision.

From the term of uses (that you probably approved when you registered your account) :

Id Software reserves the right to change fees or billing methods at any time [...] If any change is unacceptable to you, you may cancel your subscription at any time, but Id Software will not refund you any fees that may have accrued to Your Account before cancellation of your subscription, and Id Software will not prorate fees for any subscription.

They can do whatever they want with their product, that's the point of having terms of use.

Terms of use don't allow you to do whatever you want only because it is written there. If they wrote that by agreeing to their terms of use you owe them 1 million dollar that would obviously not be binding.
Also what I wrote has nothing to do with changing frees or billing methods.

Well sure in some extreme cases, but for something like that it wouldn't be much a problem I guess.
But you're absolutely right it's not really a matter of changing fees or billing methods, even if "changing fees" is a pretty loose term.

By buying pro/prem subscribtion you pay for specific services by id and you wouldn't loose any of them if they went f2p. Dunno how it could be illegal.

You pay for 'exclusive' content and you wouldn't get 'exclusive' content anymore.

there are quite a few other content features aside from maps/modes...

Server spawning, nr. of clans, scoreboards...

Not much more I guess but I'd suggest ID to release some maps/modes for free after a while.

FT is dead since its release and I tried to make it active to no avail.

i have no problem paying for pro the thing that stops me though is will there be enough other players who have done the same or will all the servers just be empty......

I think the second. Thats why IMO id should admit people is simply not going to pay and make it free.

people are paying, just not enough of them to keep the game alive. but that seems to be fine with ID, since they already have taken your money.

this is why annual subscriptions are the biggest scam, especially for something like this with no refund policy. still waiting on them to introduce monthly payments. no reason not to, and its way less shady.

It depends. In eu a lot of 1200+ duelers have premium. I don't feel like waiting for opponents takes any longer on premium server. Other modes are played only in pickups/cws etc.

Bloodrun has a new (experimental) spawn layout. Provide feedback to determine if we wish to tweak it or revert it.

WILL RENEW MY SUBSCRIPTION!

You don't need any subscription to play ztn, but it's up to you to decide.

i know

fail. give us wpaks maps!!!

jesus new tdm maps please

why they bring new prem maps again ?

there is no anticheat system again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


really dump ID

this update is irrelevant to ql.

1.No anticheat
2.No gtv
3.Separated playerbase

There should be set priorities and stick to them, the ones that really matter!!

"Resolved an issue that caused visual jitters when using cl_timenudge and cl_autoTimeNudge while spectating."



HA! The legends were true after all!

an anti cheat is useless.

look around...everyone gets banned. what is gonna be diff with an anti cheat? NOTHING.....jesus christ this is driving me nuts.

EVERYONE GETS BANNED. Its so common people talk about their bans in-game! hahah.


as another poster stated...95% of this community have accounts under one year old.

and yet quakelive has been around for 3 or 4 years now....

the biggest poster on these forums...DUTRA....has 4 accounts banned. And i'd say guys like him are the majority of this forum.....the majority of the ql forum.....and the majority of this playerbase.

is an anti cheat gonna stop guys like that? who can just make new accounts? LMAO

and is an anti cheat gonna help quake respectablity...with guys like DUTRA....slumming newbs in FFA and CTF?


and what do u mean by seperated playerbase.

I'm thinking your another tool who is against skill matching and stats.

only cheaters are against these things.

come on ID.....grasp your understanding of human nature.....if you stand up for your own game....

there will be more then just cheaters on these forums.. Honest soldiers will come out of the wookwork to support you...

if they wanted to actually stop people from making new accounts, all they need to do really is add stricter validation in the registration process.

they dont even bother to do basic email validation, but they obviously dont care about how many accounts a person has so i dont see why you're wrecking your brain about it. im not sure if youre familiar with what an anticheat does (i think you dont), but it would stop people from using public hacks (ie: qlhook).

itd have nothing to do with how many accounts a person decides to makes.

so why are you and others calling for an anti=cheat then?

fkn hypocrites if you want to have less regulations so people can make alts.....pure jokes...

and ya id obviously doesn't care....thats why i'm obviously racking my brain over it.

so why are you and others calling for an anti=cheat then?

to stop people from using free hacks (qlhook / whitelight etc)....derp.

I agree,

anticheat is not going to solve anything. It never has. It only creates new challenge for hackers and it's usually over in 36 hours.

On the benefit side, are we really being hit with so many hackers that id needs to spend months of valuable resources on anticheat system that is
1. not gonna hold up very well
2. provide minuscule benefit

don't care about anticheat one bit

cheating is what puts the nail on the coffin for niche old games like QL. People stop playing as they get older, try new (and better) games and what not, but there are still some hardcore fans on it until cheating gets unbearable.
It's always been like that. "Quake only" people just can't get it (maybe q2 players can though).

Having an anticheat makes script kiddies go away, no matter how basic it is. Problem is that requires to constantly update it or it'll be useless in 2 years.

I'm not saying it is imperative to release an anticheat right now, but it'll be in 2 years. QL more or less succeeded because it was released at the right moment, but it simply won't stand the test of time and that's when there must be something to truly stop the game and genre from ultimately dying.
Of course that's a matter of opinion, but to me it means playing with the same 30 guys or not being able to organize a tournament with 8 clans in any region of the world.

didnt added limbus or the other map by frs?

omg fucking great...

:<

the tdm maps didnt make the cut ?

I'd love to play ctfs and red rover, but I feel like after starting a server for either one I'll get bored of being by myself for 5 minutes and just connect to a pub ca

That really isn't the way to go if you wanna play premium content. You need to invite people from your friendlist in your server. Then you are enough in the server in less than five minutes and don't have the time to get bored :p.

That really isn't the way to go if you wanna play premium content. You need to invite people from your friendlist in your server.

therein lies the problem.

no...the real problem is nobody is gonna invest money into a game that they can't respect or take seriously.


there lies the problem.

froobs are afraid to join a private premium server for a reason dude. Because Its gonna be unrestricted but still ranked....lmao They think its gonna be a shady environment full of cheaters and rude skill 80+ players. And they almost know they are going to get rolled on.

...

and now you people tell me...what sane person....would actually pay money for the privilege to experience the things i just mentioned.


and the reputation that guys like Dutra give quake....are why noone is willing even to chance joining a private server as a froob.

Simply put normal people from normal society are gonna feel anyone who pays for this game is the scum.


by condoning alts....and only booting and shit talking noobs and always sticking up for alt accoutn tier slummers who dominate servers instead.......your only perpetuating this as a fact by supporting the notion.

froob? lulz.

free noobs....its a gamer term. google it. in older rpg games like anarchy online for example.

i'm a gamer dude...who the fk are you?

lol figured it would be a lame rpg term.

rpgs are way more popular and a more respected e-sport right now for a reason.


Whats lame is this quake community.

rpgs are way more popular and a more respected e-sport right now for a reason.

lol go play your rpgs then since u obviously dont know a fuckign clue about fps games.

I like fps games better....unfortunately......they attract less mature sportlike players. I guess because there are more ways to cheat in an fps game....and because they are more brawn then brain, compared to an pvp rpg.

"That really isn't the way to go if you wanna play premium content."

You see nothing wrong with that?

Where did I write that?

Obviously I meant that there is something wrong with the fact that in order to play a huge portion of this game you have to have a large friends list. I guess if you wanted me to quote your whole post I could have, but I didn't think that was necessary. And even with my pretty gigantic friends list I struggle to find premium games much less pro only modes. Premium duel games are about as far as you can go with a sign on and play fairly quickly type mode. If you honestly believe any of these 'pro only' modes are going to see any sort of activity you are fucking retarded.

I don't expect people to suddenly realize playing these modes is in their power, no. I don't think that the fact you need a friendlist to play premium is great either. But I'll keep on pointing out to people that if they don't succeed to play, they're doing it wrong. It's sad that you have to do it this way, but you CAN do it. And easily, with that. Unless you're a dick that no one wants to play with, people will join your games when you invite them.

Unless you're a dick that no one wants to play with, people will join your games when you invite them.

or a newbie. building a good friends list = effort, especially if you're just starting out in the game whcih is why i can see alot of new players quitting easily or not even trying to play this game much

You are correct, you CAN do it. But like I said earlier, after 5 minutes of waiting I get bored and just connect to a pub. If you can hop on, get a 4v4 pql game going within 5 minutes then I want your friends list asap. I struggle to even get premium 4v4 ca games going, usually takes at least 20 minutes if not longer.

Feel free to steal it :).

Well it's nice to be getting an update after what 5months? When was that cp9 patch? Remember when they said their goal was too have an update every 6weeks. Anyways what ID should do is either

1) Make all content free for everyone all maps mods everything BUT still allowing only pro players to spawn servers(and invite non pro/prem too private servers) give only pro/prem voting privileges (map,kick) not sure about shuffle maybe on pug servers do an auto shuffle before every map. I know this system could be and would be abused by some players but it would make a lot of players get pro/prem just to vote. You could also make voting a point system giving pro highest. prem medium and then non subscription lowest priority on voting.

2) Pay2play for everyone. New pricing system keep the current pro = $48yr and prem=24yr but also allow players to go month to month at $3-5 per month. Also add paypal support. This option even without an anticheat in place will drastically lower the number of hacking in the game as when a player is banned he'll have to buy the game again which a lot of them won't.


3) Give Pro/Prem servers anti-cheat and keep everything else the same. More players subscribe just for this feature alone. Also in game ladder system or monthly cups through quakelive open only to Pro/Prem accounts in active locations.


Problem is now there's hardly any players that have pro/prem accounts in NA and it's really unfair to the ones that do to not get to play the mods and maps we want which is the whole reason we bought pro/prem accounts in the first place. There's really no reason for the average joe or casual players to buy the game as they are just fine with the 5 to 6 standard map pool that's played in every gametype over and over again and with a lack of content features can't blame them.

2) Pay2play for everyone. New pricing system keep the current pro = $48yr and prem=24yr but also allow players to go month to month at $3-5 per month. Also add paypal support. This option even without an anticheat in place will drastically lower the number of hacking in the game as when a player is banned he'll have to buy the game again which a lot of them won't.

This is a very bad solution.

1st solution is the only one that wouldnt effectively kill off the game. and as for the 3rd solution, it makes no sense to give only premium/pro servers anticheat and leave the public servers to be infested with free hacks.

Quakelive only stays open because of the pro and prem subscribers. So even if they went with option 2 make all content free they'll still need ways to at least cover the operating costs so they'll need something to get people to buy the game. Another way to do this is limit the amount of free servers that are up at any given time. People don't like waiting so say you have 2 CA servers down from 8+ at any giving time and so from each gametype and have set locations for these servers people will pay just to avoid waiting 45mins to an hour just to play some games.

Oh man, this looks great. Almost makes me want to re-open my premium subscription.


LOLJK.

FUNNY TIME, YOU MAKE GOOD FUNNY

LOLJK

he make good funny pretending $2 a month is somehow meaningful

if it was actually a $2/mo payment plan like they try and market it, im sure alot less people would be raging.

rxn has not drank clean, processed drinking water in all the 8 years of his life. For 2$/month you can change that and make him see the happiness in the World!

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ok, here's the new plan. SCRAP EVERYTHING! Port qw directly to quakelive.com. Add some decent maps that were not made by ids janitor back in 1996. Add a decent voice chat. Get djwheat519 to tell all the SC2 kiddies to switch over. Profit

k no.

The WoW system would obviously be best. Pay subscription monthly, with options to pay longer. But also have a free trial for 10 days or so.

dont know how blizzard pulled that off. was wow simply the best game in history

yup. but they dont have to do that at all or change anything because there's no direct competition / other game like QL that could steal their customers away from them with a better offer. because of the fact that theyre the only web-based FPS game, they'll always have a niche market that's going to buy their product which is why theyre able to get away with forcing annual payments onto their customers, so theyre just taking advantage of it for as long as they can.

The difference is that a new account in QL is just as good as an old account. In WOW, I'm pretty sure you start at level 1. It's somewhat less attractive to cheat the system and create new accounts over and over again...

make QL an RPG where you have to unlock all the weapons as you level up obviously. Start with gauntlet and mg and unless shotgun etc.

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Or make it so new player has to play at least 20 FFA games to unlock CA. Then at least 10 CA games to unlock duel.

Hm, this could work. :) Progression can be like this:

IFFA->FFA->CA->TDM(or CTF)->DUEL

The best thing is that hackers will either be banned on earlier stages, or will need some effort to get to the desired gametype - thus making hacking somewhat less apealing in the first place.

This is actually a very interesting idea. Might stop all the alt accounts in CA/Duel just for the sake of crushing noobs for an afternoon.

Also, it would keep all the day 1 noobs out of TDM servers and CA where they walk around asking, "where are all the weapons at?"

I don't think id would ever go for it, but I kind of like the thinking.

And if you pay premium, you unlock everything right off.

QL can't afford to be annoying. That's the major reason why most accounts don't even have one online match played (crash training match, queues to log in, etc).

Besides, that system does nothing to stop cheaters. It's not like they get banned immediately after they create a new account, and IFFA cheaters aren't the annoying ones but those don't get banned for several reasons (see list of cheaters).

I bet it could. The usual online gamer is used to gameplay restrictions. I'm very glad that QL isn't going that way, though I think that certain limitations won't hurt the casual gamer much but annoy the quakers enough to make them finally populate premium servers.

why are you guys suggesting stupid shit like this? changes like this wouldve been ok to suggest if QL was still in beta period. right now this game is way beyond that point. any major gameplay changes like that would require ID to completely rethink their entire strategy, which will never happen anyways. they dug their own grave.

I know, but that's not the case with arcade style games and QL is one of them, even more so considering it's browser based.

It's not like haxball would be the same with a placement match for example. Sad thing is that very simple game is more popular than QL.

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"I literally stopped reading at the gametypes section."

even tho i agree with you, i m 99percent sure u lied their. xD

stopped reading here: "id is hard at work..."

stopped reading here: "id is hard"

Stopped reading here: "dutra"

I wish I could plus this twice...

stopped reading here: "Timezone: Europe"

Stopped reading because i'm hard.

wuld love to watch u sleep

subs so dum they just need to go f2p like LoL or TF2.