must be a troll

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YMYlZEg4Jc
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxICzA-V1_g
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVXQkhgEpcE

PS: This game looks boring

Edit: Also this game will kill Quake, although it's shit. :|
https://www.facebook.com/stermy/posts/10150919777832351 (for instance)

Second video looks kinda strange..what would be the most basic rail in ql the crowd goes woooo and claps and shit.. Never seen that crowd reaction for some really sick moves/combos in quake.

Never heard of this game before now, so to see strenx and winz in video is a big surprise.

And seriously are there only 2 weapons in this game? lol

nothing can really kill quake, unless id decides to shut down quakelive.

anyway, the game looks like some sort of instagib domination crap

IF id shutdown QL, im sure the offline version would replace it quickly.

Maybe with 1/1000 the playerbase.

FYI "En attente" means pending, awaiting confirmation.

or they ditch ql..

"Obviously some won't go to this lan due to DH"

Let's just hope the opposite doesn't happen.
Because Stermy already said he won't go to DH because of this.

FUCK SHOOTMANIA KILLING QUAKE! SYNCERROR (or ID), please throw in 1M$ in QC, DHS/W12 + a new LAN now!! Save us!

Also, for QL:
- add LAN support
- add support for custom maps
- add matchmaking
- add ladders
- threat your server providers to death if they don't improve routing!

Maybe I'm over reacting, maybe I'm not; who knows?

I'm a bit shocked this is the game QL pros are (apparently) flocking to. They must know something that we don't, i wish there was more solid info available about it. As it is it looks a bit boring, but obviously this is not the finished product.

I really hope it won't kill the top tier of QL competition, but it certainly looks like it, looking at the attendance list.

They must know something that we don't

They must know the prize pool.

Thought so too, apparently it's around 13k euro (DH has like 7-8k afaik but it's a 3 way split for Shootmania). Eh.

DH is only one tournament though; shootmania will have 3 in the near future and probably more after that.
It's a shame that a game like this draws away the competetive QL players. :|

The sad thing is, this looks to be the closest we'll get to a Quake-like (insert sarcastic finger quotes here) game with prospects at the big time in the forseeable future. How did we get to this point? God damnit.

Tru dat. :|

If they were just after the money, why not move to a game like LoL or SC2?

Because it is easier to switch frome one FPS to another FPS?

especially one as easy as this one. instagib style with no movement and aim only? they'll own everyone except each other.

I don't see why that would be a big deal, if it's a matter of money.

The game is new, that means the general playing level is not very high. That in mind they will probably have the highest chance to win with the quake experience they already gained.
Who knows if they will keep playing it for long.. maybe they will stop when it is not profitable enough anymore when taking a certain effort.

I get that, it's just that this isn't exactly a lot of money, even for the small effort. Nobody seemed to want to do this for UT3, even though there was plenty of easy money up for grabs - and UT3 seems far closer to Quake than this shitty game.

Because UT3 was shit and this is being promoted and designed properly as an e-sports game. UT3 was never that kind of game.

Shootmania looks far worse than UT3, but that's not the point. You can compare them both as "bad" compared to Quake, but if the reason people are going to play it is for money, you'd think that they would have done the same thing for UT3 when it came out. They didn't, so it's quite puzzling why anyone is interested in playing Shootmania at all.

QL still looked well back then now not so

Because there was other events during the UT3 time, plenty for Quake. Plus this game is designed for e-sports, and UT3 wasn't. There was no real reason to support UT3, but there is for Shootmania.

There weren't many events going on when UT3 came out, and I'm sure the UT3 tourneys rarely conflicted with any Quake tourneys. This might be "designed for e-sports", but that doesn't make it any better for esports than UT3.

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I mean in some of the smaller tourneys, where it wouldn't have taken much. If someone like eg.ecstacy was able to take some wins, anyone could.

support from the game's developer. That means $$$ In the short and long runs

Same reason why lots of dota players moved to LoL, even though it's essentially a simplfication.

Yeah, but like i said, were there any press releases, planned tourneys beyond this one (and the ones Cityy mentioned), booked sponsorships? It just seems a bit strange to see such a sudden switch from so many QL pros, that's why i'm wondering if the insiders know more solid info.

I hope this means the game will not only have a thriving pro circuit but also be good in on itself, seeing as this might possibly be the last bastion of competetive hope for the arena shooters.

I guess that Weird is really going to win DH if he is the only one not dropping out.

you just stole my strategy

Go for it spermy, maybe you will finally win a tourney LOLOLOLO

LMAO@BETRAYERS

Rather blame id for messing it up..

True shit of the da... no wait mon... NO! True shit of the year!!

chase that $$

Strenx is in two teams lol

rapha, cypher, cooller in a SK team :o

i'm pretty sure it's a troll

rapha, cypher, coller
seems the best team possible

After all that talk about how much he loves the game on his stream he ditches a really great event for a so far boring looking promo game.

THIS!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMxX-QOV9tI

Blocked by GEMA in germany; kind of ironic.. :)

:o:o What's wrong with that song :D

Maybe QL players could do some advertising on crapmania?

i challenge them on FFA also on that fuckin game

TAKE EM DOWN TONYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

*EXPLOSIONS EVERYWHERE WHILE TONY MACHINE GUNS EVERYONE TO DEATH*

Reb Brown FTW (and Spoony ftw as well)

ROFL what?

They are screwing DH on purpose? :O

Is there only one weapon?

Two, I think.

woah so complex, so much more skill!

Innit!?!?!

two? TWO???

railgun in attack, rocket launcher in def

oh my...

theres no drawgun ? the fuck wheres weapon

You shoot with your hands.

really? :E

http://www.shootmania.com/

well, they could at least show hands or something, i hate empty screen

IIII LOVE IT!

Now I've never been one to be into the whole pro gaming nonsense but is it just me or do these guys seem less like "pro gamers" and more like PR whores nowadays?

i dont see the difference

once you go pro u go PR.

Can't blame them for playing a game that has money behind it; it's better for them in the end.

Idiocracy. It's a good movie.

shitmania ?

now that joke is gonna go through the ages

yeah that one's here to stay

i hope not, if it does that means this will be known as the game to kill competitive quake

LoL

all shaft!!! ...er wait...

Av3k... the only one old schooler and true quaker please don't give a single fuck to this boring game and play quake!

PS.
Sk:
- rapha En attente
- cypher En attente
- cooller En attente

really? so sad.

those 3 aren't confirmed so i highly doubt tbh

why is that sad?

feel like a fanboy did that just to troll esr. might be working.

it was already written before i create the topic in here. But you may be right, some guy must have created the team just to troll :)

I doubt sk would sponsor top 3 quake players (and yeah I say cooller in that as well just because, by association he could arguably call himself that), but then again, sk doesn't have a sc2 team so anything could happen

rapha confirmed last night that its just a troll

thank god. :)

:')

I wish cooller, rapha and cypher decide to play this instead of quake and lose to a COD team 10-0.

hahah and that would be good for Quake as well since id would drop QL and focus on a proper quake game.

in which universe?

sane universe

id has said from the start that the future of the Quake franchise depends on the success of QL, and I can't imagine that they consider QL to be a success. If it were to die out to such a game, I would only imagine that it would make things worse.

can't believe id would rely on QL as a business model to get the founds to start working a new project (quake).

I'm sure it's not about funding it, but more a matter of "is there a market for Quake?"

Hahaha, QL is FAAAR more successful than rage :PppPPpp

If you comparing QL to Rage is like comparing QL to SC2

Err, what? They are both failures, but I never mentioned Rage. Rage most certainly made more money than QL, and I'm fairly certain it also had more players.

you sure about that?

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=rage&...esults=200

Obviously I forgot consoles even existed...

in firefox how can I assign the "right click" button all the functions the middle button has by default?

bought a trackball for the lulz (2 buttons and a scroll wheel) and I'm very used to opening and closing tabs with "mouse3".

mouse gestures maybe?

so in this new game shootmania, you only have the blaster from q2?

signed for beta
maybe its better than quake who knows

>maybe its better than quake who knows

better then quake that is still not dead after 15years, PERHAPS

Anyone with a clue about the industry knows that Quake will have next to no events next year (which is already true now) and Shootmania will be doing very well. Shootmania already has had the same number of LANs this year alone compared to Quake, and the game is in alpha.

People like this aren't chasing the money, they just realize any effort put into Quake now will be worthless, because it won't be doing even close to what Shootmania will do in the future.

on Twitter it says the game isn't free and it's going to be a paid game (if i understood that right) so it might not have that bright of a future but who knows.

An article said it would cost $24.99, the same as Trackmania, and if you ask me that's pretty good. Yes it's not free-to-play, but I think that just invites more cheaters, and a bit more people.

If the game is good, there will be people playing it. I doubt $25 is going to stop someone from getting the game who actually really wants it.

But this game looks so noobish. Two weapons, big open maps, no items. One of the weapons is a fucking instagun. Only thing that looks good are the player-models. If they will implement a propper 1vs1 mode with several weapons (not asking for the usual rl/lg/rg/pg/gl stuff, can be totally new ideas), items and some kind of smaller maps (this mainly depends on the community since people can build their own maps) this game could turn out good. But right now it's just some boring medicore shit. The 3v3 mode is just not competitive, it's like CS 1.6 and CS:GO, GO is the arcade version made for little kiddies whom never played 1.6 while 1.6 is truely competitive game where you need skill and teamplay (still not as competitive as Quake but the comparison is quite accurate).

Still signed up for the Beta, maybe the game will actually turn out to be a decent replacement for Quake. And before someone starts to rant about how duel is dull and boring. We allready have CS 1.6, CS:S and CoD for teambased shooters, what we need is a good 1vs1 shooter because no game is as easy to understand as some good old deathmatch.

agreed just look at the upcoming/just released team shooter list:
CS GO
Black Ops 2
Tribes Ascend
Firefall
Halo 4

all these are team shooters that will atleast make an appearance at an esport event

You can make your own maps and mods, so if there's enough people to want Quake gameplay in Shootmania, it will happen :)

Not sure if you will be able to recreate stuff like items and weapons, since the game doesn't look as if it is intended to feature such stuff and it would require some more knowledge than throwing some blocks and pannels together (like you have to do in order to create a TM map). Maps you are right but the other stuff I dunno.

Does not compute.

I think it will have a much better future if it's pay-to-play.

it will if there's going be a boxed version. using credit cards/pay pal will put people off just like QL did.

I know that it's still early footage, but there is nothing about this game that has any sort of mainstream appeal - and I can't even see why it has any appeal for those who play Quake. You tend to be optimistic about this sort of thing, but it looks like it will be lucky if it even does as badly as QL.

Competition is good for the consumer, but this is a race to the bottom.

You're wrong+negative as usual (can't you try some St John's wart or something?), Shootmania is coming off the back of the trackmania series, a game which has MILLIONS of players (PLAYING NOW-NOT IN 1997), many of whom are all buzzing about this game and promoting it throughout the community websites and many of these players will migrate when they can play it.

Why do you think the game ends in MANIA?

Its a brand.

Not a fair comparision. The depth difference of gameplay between trackmania and <insert other racing game> is minimal compared to the depth gap between shitmania and quake.

Relax, wait for the beta, try the game yourself, form an opinion. Right now you sound like the raythenoob of shootmania.

Youre not understanding, this isnt only about the game, the way they planned to market it, no need to eclipse other events when theres plenty of time in the year. mkay

And if id finally did some smart marketing to place quake live over other games, you would hate that too? Even if quake live as a game is probably better, id looks quite amateurish compared to the shootmania crew. I can understand why people think it has a brighter future than any id product.

Trackmania ISN'T Shootmania. It's not like the same people will be playing it, and it's confusing how you could ever think that they would. I'm sure a handful are probably interested in it that play Trackmania, but to act as if it's going to win over the trackmania crowd (which isn't even the same genre) because it ends in "mania" is impressively retarded.

agree

Yeah I'll admit the game doesn't look good compared to Quake, I'd want armors and more weapons, etc, but if there's something everyone can agree on, is there's little to no FPS games in e-sports right now. There's exceptions, but the big wave of MOBA games took over, as well as SC2. You're left with money events for CODwhatever, some for 1.6 (Not really a DM FPS game) and that's probably about it. Some TF2, but there isn't really anything for that. Oh, and Tribes flopped (at least e-sports wise), so that doesn't help either. I looked forward to Tribes, the game is good but no one else who doesn't play seem to care about it (at least spec wise).

Quake Live has Qcon and DH, that's it. We need something else. There's nothing to look forward to except Quake 5 (might not happen), and this game, Shootmania.

Yes the gameplay isn't as deep as Quake, but I can either play this in events, or play no FPS games in events. This is all we really have left to keep shooters in e-sports.

Plus, the game is completely customizable. Map maker in the game, you can run your own servers, LAN servers, you can also modify gameplay and make your own mod for the game, all maps and mods go through ManiaPlanet, so you can see all user made maps and mods.

The game in it's alpha state right now doesn't look as good as Quake, but I heard they were toying with game modes with armors, plus it doesn't even matter because once the game is out you can mod it and make your own rules and game play. 1.6 alone thrives on the fact that you can make your own maps, mods, and servers. It's what keeps a game alive.

$25 is a good price, and the game obviously has good developer support, and it's being designed around e-sports.

I can tell this game will easily have at least double the QL events next year, if not more. It's spec friendly, easy to understand, and everything else is dead right now for shooters.

Are you from french part of Canada? :)

but if there's something everyone can agree on, is there's little to no FPS games in e-sports right now.

Why do you feel that there needs to be FPS games in esports, though? If there isn't a market for it, why try to force it?

Yes the gameplay isn't as deep as Quake, but I can either play this in events, or play no FPS games in events.

The vast majority of players will never play in events. How many events have you even played in? Why does an option that you won't use make any difference to you?

Plus, the game is completely customizable.

So was Quake 3... and Doom 3... and Quake 4... That didn't save them, and you were even willing to give that up for the convenience of QL.

I can tell this game will easily have at least double the QL events next year, if not more.

Source?

"I looked forward to Tribes, the game is good but no one else who doesn't play seem to care about it (at least spec wise). "

No shit.. why does that surprise you? It holds true for every other game too. Their are exceptions but those people are a minority. 95% of specs also play.

I thought Tribes could do something in e-sports, but I guess I was naive when it came to the gameplay. There just isn't a big enough group of people that watch and want to play Tribes. I had thought there was.

when and how did Tribes flop ? :o

also something to look forward to is warsow 0.7! ;)

looking boring, like shooting with your own sperm.

:D :D :D

How is that boring?

Usually, shooting sperm is considered good.

ok long version so there won't be a misunderstood: game looks boring and game is like shooting with ... :).

still doesn't make a lot of sense

Well Gillz is defending it, final proof. Shit is getting real, no joke he has clues about the industry.

Maybe it was always the plan, have some PR thanks to a mitic event (DH/Quake) then divert attention to shitmania, insta drama and publicy. There doesnt exist bad publicy if you know what i mean.

Soooo cypher's new sponsor they were going to announce is SK? or is this just for shootmania?

It's probably a troll from the LAN-Staff to draw more attention to their event. It's the first SOPA-LAN so having Cypher and Co. invited to the tournament gives them some publicity, even if they won't attend it (and I'm pretty confident that they won't).

Btw: even if it's a 13k Tournament, not the whole money will flow into the 1st place and even then it would only be 13'000/3~4333€ because it is a 3vs3 tourney, so ShootMania isn't more lucrative than QL atm.

No it's not our troll ...
Suli - SOPA Communication Officer

What kind of bitch move is that?

Judging shitmania a bit it is clear that the developers understand the concept of a minimum viable product:

First, add some randomness. An instagib rail is a nice way of doing it. Now even the worst player can get a lucky shot now and then. If you run enough rounds it won't matter to the top players but at the lower ranks the bad players might win a round of two.

Second, remove almost all weapons. Less weapons to learn. Less weapons to master. Easier entry point. Remove ammo as well now we are at it, but prevent spam by replenishment of ammo over time.

Third, kill all advanced movement. Again, we just lowered the skill entrypoint of the game.

Fourth, no items at all. We want to have a game not more advanced than CA, which is the level of complexity most players play at.

Fifth, place some okayish large prizepools to lure other FPS gamers to the game. Don't care about if they are quakers or COD players - that just makes it more random creating tension.

Sixth, add a map editor and make it easy to roll your own maps. This works because you don't have to use a lot of time building good maps. The great maps will come over time because players will make them. I.e., minecraft the fps genre.

This looks a lot like Warcraft 3 -> DOTA(2) -> LoL simplification to me.

On the other hand, since the developers understand MVP, it might be that they have a plan where they will gradually add the complexity over the course of some years, releasing a new game every 1.5 years say. That way, you can get an early group of dedicated young gamers and keep the group in the game by adding more and more features. You don't even have to do anything but look at Quake for inspiration.

Also, a reimplementation of Quake today is very hard, especially if you add in GTV-like features as well. There are so many small things like the comphud, passworded servers, ... you need to support as well in your game. It is not impossible, but it does take time. It might be that the initial focus was different when building the game.

And then it looks like they already have LAN-servers available :P

Replying to myself after having actually watched a couple of games on youtube.

This game will make or break based on maps. The point is that you can build maps where certain weapons are only available when you stand on a certain block. For instance, you can only have a railgun when at spot X or Y.

The thing we don't know is: How advanced can we make the maps? If they can be made very advanced, then the complexity of the game is hidden in the map and how hard it is to play. That is actually a pretty nice way to skill-tier the game. At the lower tiers, you can have relatively "simple" maps where it is obvious what to do.

But at higher tiers, the maps can become complex, intricate, and full of different options. The question is really: can you build maps which can make up for quakes complexity in items, spawn control, timing, movement etc. If yes, it may replace quake. But if it does not reach the same level of tactics and strategy, I am betting it won't.

But at higher tiers, the maps can become complex, intricate, and full of different options. The question is really: can you build maps which can make up for quakes complexity in items, spawn control, timing, movement etc. If yes, it may replace quake. But if it does not reach the same level of tactics and strategy, I am betting it won't.

No, you cannot. Imagine the most intricate map ever, with the same movement and the same two weapons the game has. Can it create the strategy we have around the powerups in quake?

The answer is easy - no.

I certainly hope there will be more weapons and hopefully some items if this is going to be more popular than quake, but that would probably be detrimental to the game's popularity.

Theoretically, they could keep this shitty gameplay for newbies and create a quake duel-like mode for the hardcore, but I think I'm asking too much. If this ever becomes a chance though, we should push for it - in the same way QL could have been popular given a proper ladder and other features, this could too, and it could be ok-ish.

I can;t fuckin believe in that, this games looks so boring and lame, 2 weapons and only +forward? no items? Or duel will look different?

whore

Yes, i can't belive this game has a future.
A new, interesting, complex, original game IS possible, but needs more dedication than this basic Shootmania.
No combo, no advantaged moves, no variety of weapons, and mostly no intelligent/interesting/complex arenas.
A new game like quake but more succesfull is possible, but that is not Shootmania, for sure.

honestly, i didnt give a fuck about this clown game until now, but if it exists at the expense of quake, i hope it fuckin crashes and burns

this

stermy says:

This is really unfortunate, because I would have loved to compete at Dreamhack as usual

If you wanted to compete, you'd compete. You wouldn't ditch DH&QL for some instagib shit game that's not even in the beta stage yet. Could've just said "I'm doing it for the money", minus all the other bullshit in that fb post. :>

Oh and, I really hope this game crashes & burns.

Oh and, I really hope this game crashes & burns.

And this gonna help/save quake..? So much weird stuff I read on esr these days :x

yes it will. when all other games die out everyone will have no choice but to play quake.

:)))

I'm fairly sure we play QL just because there's not other decent up to par shooter out there at the moment.
Quake V will save us.

is this free online game?

At this point it is, yes.

where i can try it pls

Have you ever noticed how things become more "dumbed down" for subsequent generations? Shitmania, indeed.

From the videos, I get the feeling that if one wanted to make a "fast" shooter for the console/"realistic" shooter crowd, this would be the result.

ludicrious. i'm talking about half of the comments on this thread, so aggressive.
what you have to know : trackmania nations has been made for esport, it has been an epic win, just saying. shootmania will be at least good, but it's more likely to be awesome. i know much more things about aspects of this game than most of the people here, so i let you know my impression....
second thing you have to know : shootmania is just like trackmania, there will be several gameplays with different blocks of construction in the future. what you see here is called "shootmania : storm". maybe you will like more the upcoming titles. in trackmania some people hate the gameplay of "Coast" (each environment+original gameplay has a name) but worship the gameplay of "Stadium", it can be the other way around of course. so calm down, if you don't like "Storm" (that you haven't tried yet) you might like the next one. and we don't even know if there will be just 2 weapons in Storm.

what did i just read

Thanks, now i feel much better.

Is this open or closed ? if so kinda lame to throw a tourney for a closed game

closed

That is a shame.

that's what you get for not supporting quake..

true

Scrolled through the thread, only thing worth reading was Vedic arguing with Gillz.

This is a new low.

I said a lot of times, so here it goes again:

Q3/QL is the definitive competitive FPS, you CAN'T surpass it, you start changing it a lot and the result becomes a reflection, a vague cheap shadow of the original Q3/QL vibe. Yes, QW and Q2 are amazing games, but with Q3/QL they got the perfect graphic aesthetics AND the right balance between speed and tactics.

If this shitgame is any popular is thanks to the MARKETING that these guys can do off a game. They made Trackmania world famous as an official "profesional competitive game". Only thing you need is ads, ads, and ads. Ideally a TV ad. Put a cool short fragmovie, put some trendy music that kids like, explain to kids this is the next level in competitive gaming, explain how you can travel the world making money playing the game, and throw some fucking competitive OPEN LAN tournaments with really juicy cash to win, in a way that you dont need to be top3 to get a decent price, but the top10 guy already gets a nice quantity. Put money into the goddamn marketing and tournaments. I guarantee you'll have kids starting to play Q3/QL.

IT'S ALL ABOUT MARKETING. You can make anything famous if done right. Obviously id fails at this. And thanks to it it could become the begining of the end of Quake.

If you want more tournaments you can host them yourself, including prize money, though I'd put my money on popular games (and developers) that have potential instead of Q3/QL.

Yeah too bad im another peasant struggling to pay bills and studies.

I think people are missing the bigger picture too. This isn't just a game for DM players, it's a game for all FPS players. CS Pros were playing it at Gamers Assembly, W:ET veterans are playing it, Unreal Tournament players are into it, CoD players, everyone.

This is a game that can finally bring all those different type of FPS players together and playing one game. I think it would be amazing to play a game like this with two other Quakers and go against a team that were CS pros at a LAN.

I think going to a SM event will be different, it won't just be Quake players, it will be everyone. EVERYONE!

I doubt F1 formula drivers would quit to some very inferior league just because it has drivers from all the racing categories. There will be obv some exceptions that confirm the rule *cof*strnx*cof*strmy*cof*

f1 drivers would quit for some very inferior league if they got paid better there