derpa hurr, ya got banned fo wallin shitthead eh?
but the guys who beat you on shitty pub ca servers didn't get banned eh?
guess must be cause they pay id for a sub, fuckin a
yer gimme some moar
sorry i cant be arsed to invest time looking up the exact paragraph somewhere in the Handelsgesetzbuch (laws of trading) if you want to do it yourself. :)
no what i said is correct. i dont think it would take too much time to look that up. still i am lazy and dont feel the necessity to proof it. u dont have to believe me :)
if thats the way you see it... i dont care maybe im intellectually masturbating or intellectually cooking a risotto i guess it does not matter you just want to see me in some way if you feel like i am plusbackign so you have a feeling you are right...ok see me this way then and we are both happy since u "won" and i dont have to answer this random discussion anymore. although i am a bit disappointed by the esr admins to nuke the thread thats not really freedom of speech alike, not that im a activist or some hippie or some political extremist. i regret though that i was mean to demiruge ...actually i dont i still think that was powertripping. i think i should start collecting baseball cards i dont know anything about baseball and its not really played much over here.i use dots pretty randomly also i actually want to start using capitalisation properly cause its a lost of education and a victory for lazyness in my opinion. there are 11 folders in the shelve next to me i wonder why everyone has a bowl with random crpa in it we should just bump the garbage its just catching dust and u actually never use those stupid colored 10 year old pens anyway. i want to go to denmark or better skandinavia in general the day/night change is quite irritating though i wonder how skandinavians fell when the come over to middle europe where we have less extreme circles. i wonder how old this wine growing up my house eversince is. so i really hope you read the whole text so i stole as much time of you as you did of me with the attempts to pin me down in some weird way haev a nice day:)if you think i wasted time with writing the whole block, nope i listened to my favorite song so it was quite effectively used
cause a firm always has to follow the issues countrys law in whole europe afaik e.g apple forces me to buy a cheeseburger with my ipod in some scammy way. that may be legal in america but its illegal in germany therefor their terms dont count
why everyone in that country isn't comitting fraud all over the place in online gambling is beyond me. you basically have a right to cheat people out of their money, jeez, what a lame as fucking country is that?
you could also run up a huge bill at a restaurant, behave like a monkey, literally throw shit at people and once they refuse service you just demand a refund.
I do get it, it's a fucked up situation and IMO id should be fair and refund his money.
after all this is nothing illegal but very questionable business practices. yes, they don't want to do business with your buddy anyway but this is really shady at best.
OMG!!! What has this world come to? No one to defend people's legal rights! Murderers, pillagers and rapists are now to wander freely, with no one to punish them for their crimes! I guess now the only thing left is to kill myself, because I don't want to live in this cruel world anymore...
what title do you want? thats a very questionable way of maintaining the site. kinda fascist imo. actually i dont wanna change the title cause it is appropriate to the content. but in the spirit of kindness i am willing to put a "?" in front of it so it would be
id software scamming people?
nah actually no i think the title is just right and you are on my list of fascist powertrip admins now i take back my have a nice day! i wish u a bad day live with it
libel is not about offense, its about ruining public image. just because someone won't sue you, doesn't mean they don't incur damage. even if one person thinks id Software scam people, while they are just banning cheaters, and doesn't play QuakeLive as result, it's enough reason.
I'm saying that censoring libelous comments is usually done for legal reasons, since most people don't feel any moral obligation to limit someones "free speech" for the sake of protecting id software's good reputation.
they feel an obligation to limit their own, which lends some credit to their status as 'friends'. however, because they are more credible friends due to their self-imposed limitations on speech does not mean that speaking freely in a negative fashion is reprehensible in itself.
your censorship is mostly irrational. you defend it like the black knight from the holy grail. every limb of your faux-argument is hacked away, yet still you hobble around refusing to step outside of your childish, petty, and naive egotistical prison to see anything resembling objective reality.
you are a very poor dictator, and have the mentality of an embittered servant.
speaking in a "negative" fashion implies "negative" consequences. absolutely nothing is reprehensible on its own, every negative is also a positive. my censorship is perfectly rational, for my goals, and your pontification, ignorance and sick imagination are irrelevant to them.
"thinking" that "speaking" in a "negative" fashion implies "negative" "consequences" implies a "negative" perspective of "harmless" social "interaction".
you create the consequence of negativity by imposing a negative response to negative sentiments. you perpetuate the negativity in the guise of positivity, which is one method by which a poor dictator strangles sociocultural economies.
that you are incapable of devising a more efficient and less socially detrimental approach to administration and moderation would be totally irrelevant were you not in a position of power.
you're just pretending that you know what you're talking about because in the absence of personal determination and confidence you have no real foundation for your behavior in these specific circumstances, and confronting the reality of subtle ramifications of your pseudo-philosophically-charged excisions would in turn focus your awareness onto your capacity for somewhat-innocent-yet-still-culpable repression.
lmao, repression. you are the one who absolutely has no idea what you're talking about or what's going on, which is basically nothing, but a bunch of clueless morons with nothing better to do, repeating to each other the words 'repressions' and 'censorship' and 'freedom' and 'america, fuck yeah'. which is actually the goal, for two reason, which I guess, also evade you.
these sorts of "negative" comments are a symptom of an illness, not the illness itself. your focus on the symptoms is distracting you from the illness. for the second time in my life i feel as though this quote is relevant:
You didn't have the right to do that, and every ers users should not permit this.
Everyone can write tons of bullshits against everyone, unless they don't say bad (and correct, or at least quastionables) things about the id mafia.
this is private property. if i don't have the right to do that, and you can "not permit" me this, then you don't have the right to stop me from coming into your house and cursing at you, and you need my permission to flush the toilet.
unfortunately this site is private property operating under the same exact rules of the western capitalist society, under which all media is censored by their ownership.
i didn't know that the capitalism can be applied to a way of communication/censorship.... now i'm curios of how could be a COMMUNUST way of communication/censorship
your doubt is unfounded, this site is being held together by personal time and money as personal hobby. however, I am really interested in your take on 9/11?
As you said, your administrative work is merely a reflexion of yourself and your ideals(altho i still doubt that) and you know what kind of a picture youve painted of yourself in the past months.
Now read again your reply.
You see, it's easy to see faults in someone else, but difficult to spot the same faults in yourself.
try making sense next time. also, i never said anything about my 'ideals'. its not an 'ideal' that libel is not okey, it's kind of a minimal standard for a civilized person.
BACK OFF MAN, WE ALL KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO YOU GONNA SELL US OUT TO SHOOTMANIA DEVS THEY GONNA TIE US DOWN AND FORCE US TO PLAY IT UNTIL WE LIKE IT STUFF UNBIASED INFO ABOUT IT DOWN OUR THROATS WE KNOW ALL THIS MAN SO WHY DONT YOU SHUT UP MAN AND WE WILL GET BACK TO WHINING ABOUT LACK OF MODERATION AND THEN WHINE WHEN THERE ACTUALLY IS MODERATION MAN
ps. i really think you should hire a PR manager lolol
It's actually quite funny. I guess you don't realize after all these years how grotesque is your position. If you were a moderator and censor to any public discussion signing yourself with USSR flag in Poland or another post Warsaw Pact republic it would be considered - rightfully - a very bad taste in best case (more likely primary school pupils would steal your shoes and cell phone).
it was not your comment and unless he edited to say something much different than what was there when I replied i have no fucking clue why it would be nuked.
Some dude (or dude's brother, or whatever) installed wallhack, got banned. Bought 2nd account, got banned again. Complains that id software must refund money for 2nd account.
(To be fair, it is actually usually illegal to not provide service when money is paid for it)
But instead of asking bank to cancel transaction or going to court and sue id, whines on ESR.
Also illegal if they attempt to have precedence over law.
And anyway, by buying a second account, you make a new agreement that cannot be influenced by your previous history, because when your obligations to it start, that history is already ended.
But isn't it the player's own fault by trying to circumvent the ban? I got little sympathy for someone that cheats, after being caught decides to disregard id's policies and create a second account, not to mention spending money on the second account. His own damn fault.
From legal standpoint, player has did nothing wrong the second time.
From moral standpoint, yes, he was not doing a good thing by getting around a punishment.
Usually (law in various countries may differ, of course), if they took your money, they are obliged to provide you service.
If they banned you as player by ToS, then they should have refused to make a new account at all, or if they let you pay for account but don't want to provide service, they must refund payed amount.
Banning from a game doesn't allow you to take posession of banned person's money.
I get that part but it is his fault anyway. He basically circumvented a ban after getting caught cheating, both being against the ToS since they ban players not accounts, and then subscribed with that second account.
If you get banned from a game the company won't give your money back. It's been like that since ...ever. For example in LoL people have lost more than $1000, in a game in which it's almost impossible to cheat so all bans are based on conduct, but customers can't do anything about it
He didn't break the ToS the second time, because every time you sign up, it is legally a new agreement and you are not obligated to conform to it any time before you signed it.
Ban on players that is valid through multiple accounts can legally be implemented only by refusing to make the agreement in the first place after the player is banned, which means, refusing to take any money.
Also, please do not confuse moral judgment of what he did versus the legality.
they take posession of the subscribers money the moment the subscriber agrees to ToS. even if he is playing the game for one second, he is using up the service and what the money is for, and if you expect the service to give back the money, you must expect the user somehow give back the resources and time the user has already consumed.
Yes, they take possession and provide service in exchange. They can stop providing service if user violates ToS.
They can't take money and not provide service for someone complying with ToS, which happened here when that dude bought account second time.
What I meant is that he didn't actually make any action that breaks ToS of the second agreement, he simply turned out to not match the criteria of people to which id software is willing to provide service.
And if you take money for a service that you are not willing to provide, you must return that money.
See comment #144.
He is not violating ToS (as in doing something that violates ToS), there is just clause of ToS that is apriori not satisfied (if there is such clause)
i would add that there are questions about the fact that a communist with the communist flag, aka demiurge, is using communistic methods to censor/ban peoples that simply freely speach their thought about the id mafia.
The 90% of the esr users accept this without even blinking.
"Don't mix up pointless dictatorship with communism."
dictatorship<>communism.
"Communism is actually pretty close to what most people here would imagine the ideal ESR."
I definitely don't think so.... and what would be the ideal esr, how?
I don't think that peoples should be glad to be banned or censored only when they speak against the id mafia and the mafia components of esr.