gg fps esports

supporting a mob of idealist virgins wont make your game successful, as a casual exclusive nor as an esport

demos dont make or break a game, speccing doesnt make or break a game.

make the game fun to watch, fun to play for a massive demographic. tribes failed pretty hard in this regard, but it has nothing to do with what those retards are talking about.

I respectfully disagree. I probably never would have gotten into Quake like I did if it had lacked good spectating or demo features. Can you imagine all id games without first person POV and no demos? When I last was a serious competitor in Quake I spent as much time watching/analyzing demos as I did playing. I've always enjoyed spectating and demos as much as playing a game, if I have a high level understanding of it. Now that Quake is dead demos are the only thing left of competitions.

you can respectfully disagree all you want, what I'm saying is fact: your dedication represents 1% of people who play videogames. everyone else never uses those kinds of features, most of them don't even know they exist

Ye doing anything past the lowest common denominator is a waste.

business wise, essentially it is. it's cute to see dorks get worked up so passionately over this shit while companies worry about having to pay the bills and actually make a successful game. You know, the important stuff.

No, business wise, it's a retarded decision, games without specing and some form of recording fail miserably
Even your console gamers want the record feature, because he might want to share smth on youtube for example. Which in it self is advertisement.

league of legends had no spectate or record feature for years and became the most popular game in the world

as did wow

as did melee and the majority of fighting games up until this generation(of which theyre all terrible)

it's a luxury feature that maybe 1% of a game's playerbase even uses.. you have no argument.

Stop being a dumbass with that made up 1% shit

both league of legends and WoW offer recording

http://www.leaguereplays.com/

both offer countless addons and software just for that

Also comparing WoW to quake/fps is fucking retarded beyond belief...why would you want to record a 7hours session in the first place, even tho you can.

You have no argument.

do you think the majority of people care about frag videos or appreciate high level play at all? how can you be so out of touch with reality? the majority of people who play video games are dumb and bad. they go in, do terribly for an hour and move on with their life. they don't care or give a shit about these supposed incredible features.

league of legends replays came out at least 2 years after league of legends was released, spectate within the past 3-4 months.

no, you can't record in wow.


I can and will make the comparison. they're all video games. my examples are all proof that you don't need these nonissue features for a game to be a success. it's just delusional whine from people that don't realize how much of an insignificant market they represent.

your only rebuttal is calling me a dumbass/retarded. sorry I logic-fucked you kiddo

Whos talking about frag movies? The majority of people who play videos games are dumb and bad, they play COD for 1 hour, if they do some sick shit, they quickly take a look at the instant reply of how badass they were in that moment and move on with their life. They don't care about making frag movies dumbo.

So you can record in LoL after wall? Who fucking knew, guess you just found.

You can record in WoW, altho you need software as i already stated above.

Your poor attempt at making the comparison without presenting any logical arguments or proof amaze me. Your examples have nothing to do with general gaming and fps. You haven't addressed FPS gaming in any way, or statecraft and other heavy speced video games.

Your logic : http://superbooyah.com/index.php/image.html?f...p;type=img is a video game without the record feature, therefore no video games require recording.

Sorry kiddo but your "logic"is fucked.

they quickly take a look at the instant reply of how badass they were in that moment and move on with their life

nobody cares about this feature enough to not play a game over it

So you can record in LoL after wall? Who fucking knew, guess you just found.

selectively ignoring anything that doesn't fit your argument wont make your bad games more popular

You can record in WoW, altho you need software as i already stated above

you stated no software, either way wow's competitive scene is and was massively bigger than any fps game with literally the most awful presentation of any competitive game back in 2007 while it carried quake in wsvg

Your poor attempt at making the comparison without presenting any logical arguments or proof amaze me. Your examples have nothing to do with general gaming and fps. You haven't addressed FPS gaming in any way, or statecraft and other heavy speced video games.

i present examples of the most successful games on the planet not having the exact features you claim are integral for success these days. you respond by ignoring whatever you dont want to hear and claim I dont possess logic

Your logic : http://superbooyah.com/index.php/image.html?f...p;type=img is a video game without the record feature, therefore no video games require recording.

i brought up two games with 1mil+ people online at any given time, and general fighting games which are all massively more popular than any competitive fps game..


your massive delusion exemplifies exactly why competitive fps games are dead. you want the same gameplay from games you enjoyed in your childhood, and when it becomes clear that it isn't possible for these games to compete with currentgen games you rely on complete bullshit excuses like "spectator features" and "lack of advertising" as the purpose for the game's failure DESPITE THE SUCCESS OF OTHER GAMES NOT NEEDING THESE TO BECOME POPULAR

I love how the ESR thread structure (direct reply) encourages 1 on 1 arguments.

ahead of its time. didn't seem to catch on until the popularity of digg/reddit?

Nobody ? Oh your flawless analysis again. Like talking to a fundamentalist christian.

selectively ignoring? yes, yes you are..stop it.

i stated no software? read up please
so what if WoW is bigger then tribes? Popularity doesn't make a wrong , right. By your logic, Justin Bieber is the best Artist we've seen in years.

You presented examples of gaming comparable to angry birds in relation to FPS games. In other words, you did nothing. Call of duty is vastly more popular (console+PC) then WoW and has Replays, thats why you see millions of clips on YT. Most fps games have a feature where you can see instant replays and store those moments, even console games. IN other words, the masses want some form of recording feature and use it. The vast majority does.

My massive delusion? Oh those delusional asians who praise sc,wc3 etc.

What are you angry about? Did your fps game die and you resorted to playing generic mediocre shit?

it's like talking to a toddler

Nobody ? Oh your flawless analysis again. Like talking to a fundamentalist christian.

1%

selectively ignoring? yes, yes you are..stop it.

i respond to everything you say. go reread you child.

i stated no software? read up please

point out in your post the wow software you're talking about. Note: I have actually played the game and know what I'm talking about. you're an idiot speculator and have no idea what you're talking about.

so what if WoW is bigger then tribes? Popularity doesn't make a wrong , right. By your logic, Justin Bieber is the best Artist we've seen in years.

reread my posts. the entire point of what I'm talking about is the success of the game. that's it. whether the game is good or bad competitively, or fun to the "hardcore playerbase" is irrelevant to the point I was making.

You presented examples of gaming comparable to angry birds in relation to FPS games. In other words, you did nothing. Call of duty is vastly more popular (console+PC) then WoW and has Replays, thats why you see millions of clips on YT. Most fps games have a feature where you can see instant replays and store those moments, even console games. IN other words, the masses want some form of recording feature and use it. The vast majority does.

doesnt matter if the game is different. do you think people dont enjoy their kills/impressive moves in games like wow/league and wouldn't think its cool to be able to record them(speaking hypothetically a few years ago)? sure they would, but it's a luxury feature and they got popular DESPITE NOT HAVING THEM. being an fps game doesn't magically make people want to marvel over their kills to the point where they refuse to play games that don't have the feature, dork.

you can keep repeating points that are completely out of touch with reality all you want. no, there are not millions of users saving and recording their favorite clips. most people that play call of duty join an ffa and go 10:30 kd and are incapable of making an impressive clip. feel free to go count the amount of USERS making these clips. out of the millions that play that game, MOST do not know how to upload to youtube or care to save their clips. they play their game and they go to bed.

My massive delusion? Oh those delusional asians who praise sc,wc3 etc.

you can cite examples of games that have the features just like I have cited ones that do not, my point is that by showing that there's EVEN ONE GAME that shows success without these features shows that they are not NECESSARY FOR SUCCESS like the delusional hardcore gamers madbad butthurt over their dead games failing. the games are failing because they arent fun/appealing to the average player. they arent fun/appealing to the average player because companies get bullied into listening to a vocal minority that have no idea what theyre talking about when it comes to making a game fun for EVERYONE.

What are you angry about? Did your fps game die and you resorted to playing generic mediocre shit?

i played tribes ascend and according to most the people i talked to I was the best 1v1er on the west coast usa. the game is boring and shit. I play games that are fun and I enjoy pointing out that the delusional logic that you bring up is the reason why there are so many dead games surrounding certain fps communties

Go back to your simple world kid.

Remember how i said that you remind me of a fundamentalist christian.

Presents zero proof.

Presents not a single valid argument.

Doesn't use common sense nor logic.

Struts around like he won the argument.

Classic narrow-minded thinking process.

GL HF.

"hur that game is like angry birds dur"

"hur games are popular because we can make cool clips dur"

"hur ignore any point that flat at shows im wrong then say you have no logic"

you have downs

"hur nobody cares about replays"

"hur WoW has no replays , so whats the problem?"

"hur i don't offer proof or valid arguments but am pretty sure in the bulletproof logic"

downs is not your only problem unfortunately, ur also delusional and arrogant.

I want you to concisely explain how if league of legends didn't have any spectating features for 2 years and became the most popular played game in the world, how it is necessary for any game to be successful it needs spectating features. Go.

There go your delusions again
1# LoL being the most popular game int he world, even tho it can't touch CoD- even the LoL community realizes its absurd to not have a spec feature.
2# comparing LoL too FPS games seems reasonable to you..while it may be, your conveniently ignoring sc,cod,cs,bf3,etc.

Features contribute greatly to the popularity of a game, and sales. Demos are a must, especially in competitive gaming.

Now write an argument that says demos don't matter in FPS gaming. Think hard please.

I want you to concisely explain how if league of legends didn't have any spectating features for 2 years and became the most popular played game in the world, how it is necessary for any game to be successful it needs spectating features. Go.

if you want to continue the discussion you're going to stop ignoring the question by responding with irrelevant bullshit. I'll gladly respond to your dumb irrelevant points when you do so.

Kid, are you for real? THe world isn't flat, give me some proof if your going to continue talking shit.

Your not even answering anything i say. Just spewing ignoramus nonsense.

ggwp 30% winrate dueler literally ignores any argument i make

i wish i could go back in time and make sure this kid's mom died in the war so this annoying cunt couldnt waste my time arguing over shit he cant even understand holy fuck

lol, your embarrassing your self kid

Resorting to mindless insults when he can't produce a single valid reason/argument/proof, absent of fundamental logic and common sense.

Like a little baby he can't even answer simple questions...the youth today, so arrogant and ignorant.

I want you to concisely explain how if league of legends didn't have any spectating features for 2 years and became the most popular played game in the world, how it is necessary for any game to be successful it needs spectating features. Go.

if you want to continue the discussion you're going to stop ignoring the question by responding with irrelevant bullshit. I'll gladly respond to your dumb irrelevant points when you do so.

Do you have a multiple personality disorder or are you just trolling at this point?



1# LoL being the most popular game int he world, even tho it can't touch CoD- even the LoL community realizes its absurd to not have a spec feature.
2# comparing LoL too FPS games seems reasonable to you..while it may be, your conveniently ignoring sc,cod,cs,bf3,etc.

Features contribute greatly to the popularity of a game, and sales. Demos are a must, especially in competitive gaming.

Now write an argument that says demos don't matter in FPS gaming. Think hard please.

give me some proof if your going to continue talking shit.

Your not even answering anything i say. Just spewing ignoramus nonsense.

Call of duty is vastly more popular (console+PC) then WoW and has Replays, thats why you see millions of clips on YT. Most fps games have a feature where you can see instant replays and store those moments, even console games. IN other words, the masses want some form of recording feature and use it. The vast majority does.

Oh those delusional asians who praise sc,wc3 etc.

What are you angry about? Did your fps game die and you resorted to playing generic mediocre shit?

-You see there are types of games that require features like demos and specing,..saying LoL was lacking that important feature and managed to succeed, does not mean anything apart from the fact that its other attributes sufficed for the time being in that gametype where it's not the MOST important feature. How should i explain this to you..If Fiat Punto is a selling well, that clearly doesn't mean that Land Rover should go 2wheel drive, because Fiat Punto doesn't require 4wheel drive. I can't dumb this down more for you. I am sorry but it just boggles my mind that you don't think that specing and demos in FPS games isn't a good feature that the masses appreciate.

first 8 comments are completely irrelevant to what I'm talking about, not sure why you continue to bring irrelevant shit up for no reason.

Finally:

-You see there are types of games that require features like demos and specing,..saying LoL was lacking that important feature and managed to succeed, does not mean anything apart from the fact that its other attributes sufficed for the time being in that gametype where it's not the MOST important feature. How should i explain this to you..If Fiat Punto is a selling well, that clearly doesn't mean that Land Rover should go 2wheel drive, because Fiat Punto doesn't require 4wheel drive. I can't dumb this down more for you. I am sorry but it just boggles my mind that you don't think that specing and demos in FPS games isn't a good feature that the masses appreciate.

oh look, you're speculating about another game you've never played before. league was lacking in every aspect. what "attributes" it made up for are you referring to? the game was made in a horrible bugged external client, had horrible stat recording, initially didn't have any form of ranked play, heroes were released overpowered purposely to promote buying heroes with real money, basic necessities to play the game on an even level against opponents require ~hundred hours of playtime to fully acquire. EVERYTHING in that game featurewise was undesirable. It is(and was) popular because they made a game fun for everyone.

Here's the issue with what you're saying: You're claiming spectate features are the most important feature in games(??), but that this varies among different types of games? Do you have evidence to support that this feature is so important? You state this with literally no proof. I've given an example of a game PROVING YOU IT ISNT NECESSARY, and your copout is that "well it isnt that important for that game.

You've brought up how many people put out cod clips and that this is proof that this is an amazingly important feature for cod. How about you go on youtube and estimate how many users put clips up? Here, let's do it for you:


http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=c...93I-I6IlQI

in the past year there have been 80k youtube videos uploaded regarding call of duty. the latest cod sold.. 40mil copies? ontop of every other previous cod game that has people still producing content, on top of trailers, game reviews, etc. that end up in this search page. Looks like it's even less than 1% are using this super important feature lol!


the bottom line is that you have no evidence for the claims you make, I actually provide proof for the statements i make rather than speculating about things I don't understand like cods popularity(it's probably popular because it's simple and easy to play and has a popular name behind it. it CERTAINLY ISNT BECAUSE OF SOMETHING INSIGNIFICANT AS SPEC FEATURES AS SHOWN ABOVE). It's nice that you finally stopped dodging my question but it took way too much coaxing to get an answer out of you.

evidence is contrary to your statement of spec features being main reason cod is popular. you have no evidence to show that league is a gametype that for some reason needs spec features less than fps. league is physical proof that spectate features arent needed to make a game popular.

You selectively ignore most relevant points questioning your retarded argument, so im not surprised it doesn't find a way through your thick skull.

oh look, you're speculating about another game you've never played before

Oh look, whos learning about the meaning of the word speculation. Which will come handy to you when you read back your replys in our conversation.

league was lacking in every aspect. what "attributes" it made up for are you referring to?

Dear lord, i never said lacking in EVERY aspect, your not even thinking about what your typing anymore. A free game will have bugs, will lack many features, some are more important then others. In a role playing game, people may have the desire to watch replays or spectate, but who in their right mind would want too, the game is just popular enough for enough people to wish for a replay feature, which they received. In a role playing game, i find that strange.

By your description it is by pure chance and luck that this unbalanaced-lacking in basic features free online role playing game, became so popular. Good for them. There must be enough nerds in the world.

Here's the issue with what you're saying: You're claiming spectate features are the most important feature in games(??)

Memory loss at your age? I never said spectate features is the most important feature in games. People see what they want to see, but you completely warp reality.

but that this varies among different types of games? Do you have evidence to support that this feature is so important? You state this with literally no proof. I've given an example of a game PROVING YOU IT ISNT NECESSARY, and your copout is that "well it isnt that important for that game

What is your cop-out for starcraft,cs and the vast majority competitive FPS games(you know, First person Shooters, LIKE TRIBES,GET IT?), Your only proof you offer in your argument is an example of a free online RPG game-My proof is 99% of FPS games in a thread regarding a FPS game, peculiar isn't it.

You've brought up how many people put out cod clips and that this is proof that this is an amazingly important feature for cod. How about you go on youtube and estimate how many users put clips up? Here, let's do it for you:

Here you go warping reality again in your fanatic little bubble you created for yourself. I never said it's an amazingly important feature, but its a feature, which many use, NOT for making frag movies as i have clearly stated before, but for their amusement, merely taking a look at the last sequence/action/good play,...most people who play video games are not actually nerds as you may be aware.

in the past year there have been 80k youtube videos uploaded regarding call of duty. the latest cod sold.. 40mil copies? ontop of every other previous cod game that has people still producing content, on top of trailers, game reviews, etc. that end up in this search page. Looks like it's even less than 1% are using this super important feature lol!

Oh adorable, you took "millions" literally, i never mentioned which cod game, or "per year" If you look at search results, for "call of duty" , you'll get : About 4,500,000 results , which is not bad for main-stream console/pc gamers, who don't have the time to make frag videos, as i have stated before. Yet some still enjoy the spectator feature and watch instant replays, which kills you because you can't disprove it, but we both know that its in human nature that if you did something well, you want to watch yourself and bask in your glory.


You see, your argument lies completely and solely on a free online RPG game that is incomparable to any FPS game in any fashion, form or shape.

Popular games dont actually NEED anything but the PLAY GAME NOW button, but seeing relative importance of certain features in certain gametypes is easy. You have to differentiate between game types and games, as well as communities. You can not generalize, as it easy as it is, you have to fight that temptation kid.

Finally, a good game is done well and is fun to play, people who love to play that game, enjoy its many features, men in suits know this very well, and offer many features to be sold separately, but regarding the feature we are talking about, it is just good business to satisfy as many of your customers as you can, of course within the boundaries of what is financially reasonable for them. Maybe this is the case with Tribes, but it's certainly not appealing to a good percentage of players who will miss this feature and enjoy less then they did before.

You selectively ignore most relevant points questioning your retarded argument, so im not surprised it doesn't find a way through your thick skull.

I have to stick on one front or you don't focus and get the point, ignore the point, claim things outright wrong to subvert the point..

Dear lord, i never said lacking in EVERY aspect, your not even thinking about what your typing anymore.

...when did I say you said this? go reread my post and come back again. irony in your second sentence.

A free game will have bugs, will lack many features, some are more important then others. In a role playing game, people may have the desire to watch replays or spectate, but who in their right mind would want too, the game is just popular enough for enough people to wish for a replay feature, which they received. In a role playing game, i find that strange.

can you please stop talking about things you have no idea about. you don't even have the genre right ffs. league is the most spectated game in the world(through 1st person live streams due to lack of integration for years). despite the spectating viewership potential of any game league devs knew it wasn't a high priority implementation.

Memory loss at your age? I never said spectate features is the most important feature in games. People see what they want to see, but you completely warp reality.

it's what you imply by saying this is the key feature that makes cod so popular..

What is your cop-out for starcraft,cs and the vast majority competitive FPS games(you know, First person Shooters, LIKE TRIBES,GET IT?), Your only proof you offer in your argument is an example of a free online RPG game-My proof is 99% of FPS games in a thread regarding a FPS game, peculiar isn't it.

the vast majority of competitive FPS games all have spectator features, and they're all still dead games. There are games that are successful that have spectator features, and there are many more games that are unsuccessful with spectator features. The point I've tried to reiterate over and over is that if there is even one game that manages to be popular without these features(of which there are MANY, I pointed out the biggest two I know), then it clearly isnt a necessary feature..

Here you go warping reality again in your fanatic little bubble you created for yourself. I never said it's an amazingly important feature, but its a feature, which many use, NOT for making frag movies as i have clearly stated before, but for their amusement, merely taking a look at the last sequence/action/good play,...most people who play video games are not actually nerds as you may be aware.

"No, business wise, it's a retarded decision, games without specing and some form of recording fail miserably "

...

Oh adorable, you took "millions" literally, i never mentioned which cod game, or "per year" If you look at search results, for "call of duty" , you'll get : About 4,500,000 results , which is not bad for main-stream console/pc gamers, who don't have the time to make frag videos, as i have stated before. Yet some still enjoy the spectator feature and watch instant replays, which kills you because you can't disprove it, but we both know that its in human nature that if you did something well, you want to watch yourself and bask in your glory.

i filtered by the amount in the last year because it's more relevant activity... 4.5mil videos over the course of 7 years youtube has existed, over the course of 7 cod titles is abysmally low usage when you consider almost none of it are actual clips. So of course when numbers are applied to the situation you back down to some unprovable nonsense about just killcams being important? I feel like you may not actually know anyone that casually plays these games.. completely out of touch. killcams are not why cod sells 40million copies. please. tell me. you. dont. think this?

You see, your argument lies completely and solely on a free online RPG game that is incomparable to any FPS game in any fashion, form or shape.

wrong genre, is compareable(you wouldn't know since you're an idiot and havent even touched the game), step out of discussion if you don't know what you're talking about, etc.

Popular games dont actually NEED anything but the PLAY GAME NOW button, but seeing relative importance of certain features in certain gametypes is easy. You have to differentiate between game types and games, as well as communities. You can not generalize, as it easy as it is, you have to fight that temptation kid.

how would you be the person to note the relative importance of features in these games? unlike you ive actually played/competed in every game I've talked about. you on the other hand are literally blabbering bullshit, talking about games you've never played, talking about features near nobody uses or cares about. I can and will make generalizations across different genres because people like the same shit regardless of what the environment looks like. spectate features are nice luxury features but are not used and not missed by people who don't know any better period get some evidence to show otherwise or dont bring it up dumbfuck.

Finally, a good game is done well and is fun to play, people who love to play that game, enjoy its many features, men in suits know this very well, and offer many features to be sold separately, but regarding the feature we are talking about, it is just good business to satisfy as many of your customers as you can, of course within the boundaries of what is financially reasonable for them. Maybe this is the case with Tribes, but it's certainly not appealing to a good percentage of players who will miss this feature and enjoy less then they did before

it's 40 people in a passworded irc channel. it's not a good percentage of players. you have no idea what you're talking about. nobody ingame cares.

I think we successfully ruined/jamerio-ed this thread.

Mission Accomplished.

Shorter version: You're both cunts and Bob will punish you in your next reincarnation

demos dont make or break a game, speccing doesnt make or break a game

rofl, imagine games like starcraft,quake,counter strike, or all other popular games without specing and demos...Im pretty sure you are completely clueless oreozz.

nvc is the person, who is really sad about it

tribes cannot into esports

Any game that boasts a 7v7/8v8 format is destined for failure this day and age.

I was wondering about trying out T:A, but that settles it.

Same, definitely not going to bother now.

it's funny because the record command is in there

"demorec demoname"

I think it's because the U3 engine has it built in but it's kinda buggy. Took UT3 some time to make it work, clientside atleast. Serverside (possible to watch from every pov+fly around in the map) demo's always worked I think.

I'm sure they could make it work or figure it out. I think ever since the beginning of the alpha almost a year ago they had talked about demos eventually being a feature. The problem is HiRez seems inclined now to only develop features which can be directly traced to some kind of T:A gold (money) spent. Even when they added more GUI load out slots for classes they cost XP or gold. I can't see a direct way for them to monetize demos which people would support so therefore they aren't likely to be added.

ok buddy, calm down. I'm only talking about why the demorec is in the engine.

it's the right time to get the tribes players to ql.

Tribe is only good if you enjoy 64vs64 battle :D

Meh, I play this twice a week or so. I wish there was a better spectator function but I don't care that much. I don't understand getting as angry as you are really.

I'm not angry, I actually find it hilarious how incompetent HiRez is. I've never played competitively in Tribes and I don't intend to with all the basics T:A is lacking. T:A doesn't even have central servers in North America, what a joke, ahha.

I was wondering if I should try it, but fuck it to oblivion, seriously. When you think SyncError tops the shit chart, you have this. Damn.

oblivion rulez!

And I thought QL wasn't doing so well. Then I read that IRC. Jesus...

There's a pattern in HiRez development (only two games thus far but still) where they abandoned Global Agenda when T:A came around more or less. Now people suspect the same about T:A since Smite (a new MOBA by HiRez) is coming. The developers let leak that Smite is getting features before T:A such as group join and demos, etc. They both use the same engine as well. The declaration of no demos and the fact Smite is getting them is what really pissed people off.

Imagine Quake 5 released without demos and id says they are planned via future patches. Eight months go by then id casually says "no demos on the road map anymore" but they let leak that Rage 2 will get demos. The Quake community would go apeshit, that's basically what HiRez is doing with T:A and Smite.

how does this new tribes game stack up to past tribes games?

No idea, I never played past Tribes games but generally the community seems to like older versions best still. However this is the only version with a decent amount of players so they have no choice.

yeah, the old tribes have virtually no playerbase.

Sounds like Quakelive.

"Everybody lies" I enjoyed this game in FFA mode a bit. Will play some time until servers will be up. Fuckin LOL-shit-like-games :(

man... this is nothing. check out what's going on in ql recently

Link? :-)

it's all over esr. new patch blocking callvote for free users, fucked up queing after duel matches, forcing mappools, quakecon being a giant kick in the balls for hardcore community and general lameness:] not having demos while infuriating is small bananas comparing to that mess:]

Oh, yeah, funny that didn't even register for me because QL is so shitty already. I actually played it again recently for the first time in 1.5 years or so and the lowest ping I get is like 60ms (most other games I get 10-20ms to Chicago, etc).

Quake is fucked?

Quake is fine
Come play T:A players!

As a player to me this broke any faith or long term interest in T:A. Demos have been in id games going back to Doom 1 (1993) and it's a feature I consider essential to any serious multiplayer FPS with any competitive scene


dude you seriously thinked of T:A as a competetive game? I just spilled my coffee

it's a pub timekiller, just beeing better than some korean shit that is beeing advertised on random internet banners

I thought it had potential to be one in time, but after HiRez gave up on demos, I gave up on them ever getting to a competent competitive level.

Right now LT mode (PTH only) seems to be taking off. Funny as that mode is pretty damn close to Quake in play. At this point I've moved on from T:A but there isn't much out there FPS wise.

honestly never tried it out, played some t2 in the past but gameplay wise it was just too distant to what Im playing right now,
propably all the competetive gameplay will consist of clan ladders at some point which is propably gonna be still better than nothing, but that's it, wouldnt bet it would make to any kind of "well-known-players on big events" kind of stuff, even so stimulated by mlg Halo doesnt have that feel IMO

lol Team Arena

This is pretty funny and sad at the same time -

http://www.reddit.com/r/Tribes/comments/yrjw0...as_banned/

Basically some guy released a 3rd party program that injected into T:A to fix their shit netcode and now people are being banned for using it. T:A doesn't draw automatic weapons client side in the correct place. In QL terms it'd be like if you had 50ms or 70ms but the plasma was drawn at 0ms, that's how shitty T:A netcode is. Some guy fixed it and added delay to match your ping so people with higher pings can actually aim automatics now. In T:A every class has an automatic type weapon so this fix is a huge deal towards making the netcode competitively viable.

It never ends in this game, hahah...

http://cyber-sports.net/brackets/31110#finals

MME forfeits to ZFZ in last final round and had problems in the first set of 3(?). I'm not sure on all the details but apparently ping problems, substitution problems and their sniper who HiRez flew out to PAX to promote T:A had his internet cut. Apparently the finals started at 5pm each day when PAX closes at 6pm so after 6pm no internet? Then Mabel ragequit and uninstalled so he couldn't play. Who knows what else. TBH it's what T:A deserves at this point.

http://www.twitch.tv/sh4zbot/b/330888077
http://www.twitch.tv/sh4zbot/b/330893166
http://www.reddit.com/r/Tribes/comments/z9c1z/dat_csn_final/

I know no one cares at this point but -

http://www.reddit.com/r/Tribes/comments/zjpv4...neral_and/

HAHAHA

just let it die

I get immense entertainment value to watching the train wreck in progress.

welcome to e-sports

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGjKWUcHPZU

Now that's e-sports. They made that video before they won actually.

you write that like all quake live prizemoney has been paid out ;)

Oh, I don't follow QL much. I know Quake has had issues for years however going back to the CPL, etc. The thing is HiRez gave this money, in fact all tournaments with prizes thus far were from HiRez. Are there many tournaments id hasn't paid out for?