stopped watching when I read zeroql

i dont know which one is more embarassing, eminem music in 2012 or praising a cheater

lol @ rocket taking the jumppad :D
Looks good. I hope there will be no eminem in full version.

Regardless of ZeroQL's name; that trailer was fucking hype. That trailer is a perfect example as to how to hype up your audience, using a song thats catchy and has a great fast rhythm to it in conjunction with splendid special effects that amplify the content. Can't wait to see the final version.

On another note, what has become of Xonotic? Is the game active? I joined #xonotic.pickup and expected more players to be in there. Is the game actually good and new compared to CPM or Q3/QL? Wish these games didn't have such microscopic communities.

just from the trailer it seems they play plenty of classic quake maps, therefore it's not "new" on that regard.

New as in unique, original. Those Quake maps are directly ported over by the way, technically they are not part of the game. Anyways, quit being a nerd. :D

It's free to download. Afaik there aren't many xonotic players on esr, so you might be better off with forming your own impression.
What can I say about the game:
- some things are unique
- some things need fixing
- it just entered beta
- duel is not as complex as in QL, but a hell lot of fun
- tdm nationscup will start in about 3 weeks, this should increase the rate of tdm pickups a lot
- it's a community project. If people just expect other people to do something, nothing ever happens ;)

Sounds bloody good. Gave it a quick bash and the movement feels a lot like a mix of PainKiller, CPMA and QuakeWorld. It's a fucking dream come true! There needs to be leagues and tournaments for this game sometime soon. I would love to see this game expand from its small community.

Many of us would, help spread the word! I'm just re-downloading it, haven't played in a while.

I'm sure that if there was a massive money injection over 2-4 years, we'd see a scene that'd last for a long time. Let's just fake up cash prizes and CPL it. :]

ZeroQL, why don't you play warsow instead ?

Great!

Zoom in and pause @ 0:49 and tell me how that rocket could have been a hit... netcode ftw. That aside, nice to see CPM maps being imported (aero)

1) demo
2) you can let your rockets explode with mouse2
3) judging netcode based on a trailer of a fragmovie lol

there is industrial too

Does it have modified item placement? If not, i wouldn't bother playing it.

i dont really know how the original look like.
but anyway most maps have the blue or purple shit blaster both are very imbalanced so the game is kinda meh until those not being removed from competition maps. it all comes down who abuse those two weapons better

I've tried it 2 days ago, removed it after roughly 10 minutes. In the current state it's in, i don't see it as a worthy cpm clone/successor. Many useless weapons / bad weapon balance, no brightmodels, fighting tends to get random (you can indeed detonate rockets in mid-air like asyyy said, i thought he was trolling) and the overall feel of the game is very cheesy. But who knows, if they listen to the community and transform it into a more competitive game i might reconsider playing it. They did a good job on the trailer nonetheless and i hope Xonotic grows to be a potential Shootmania rival :p

nice 10 minutes expert review

Please elaborate on the "useless weapons". I find that they're all quite useful and also well balanced out. Not all weapons are used in one map. Most maps have the combination of Nex/Mortar/Rocket Launcher/Machine Gun and the Electro. And soon the Lightning Gun (Or some form of shaft) in 0.7

Also there are bright models, in-fact by default the models are bright to start with, bright enough to see them in the dark which I don't have any problems with them - they're always bright for me - I think you haven't got your game sorted out correctly.

Finally, I'm going to assume that you might know what could make Xonotic better - Why don't you (Calmly, professionally, and rationally) contribute to the community by giving your thoughts as to how Xonotic could be better? If you don't know or didn't realize - Xonotic is actually a community project - It can become whatever it wants to be just by the simple contribution of the community. I could go onto the forums now, post a player model that I've probably made in 3DS Max and Photoshop - Next thing you know, bam - it'll probably be in the next revision of the GIT release or 0.7. Community contribution matters - Don't be a shy lurking cunt, voice your thoughts.

Also, I do hope you're joking about 10 minutes.

there is no useless weapons, just fucking cheesy ones. like the blue "blaster" that can deal 200dmg. for example that weapon is most effective when +backing also its like you shoot 3 "balls" (kinda like grenades with more speed and less bounce, than blow them up with primary fire - 200 or even more dmg dealt if u did it right. to the contrary its probably a hard to master weapon but please. its totally imbalanced and shit, especially ruins such narrow maps like aerowalks. doesnt takes a genius to figure it out it will mostly comes down who controls / abuses that weapon the best. not something im interesting in... other one is the purple that shoot 3-5 (?) projectiles that bounces back from walls / floor with high speed. maybe not imbalanced but just cheesy as fuck if you ask me. a weapon without a strict purpose just have no place in these games (pretty much why UT sucked for the most part, also the reason why chainggun, mines, bfg, nailgun etc not being present in any competitive map in quake).

also its a dead game, not because of its current size (thats about 50-100 players worldwide) but because of the lack of infrastructure it dont have a chance to become anything bigger in the future. it is a half-time hobby project of a couple enthusiasts, compared to that they did a marvelous job, so dont wanna take that away, but lets assume suddenly there is thousands of players want to play xonotic: how they gonna summon the financial means for a lot of servers, anticheat (most neccessity, esp in a free game), than maybe matchmaker, ladders etc... afaik one of the devs driving desire is to stay independent, it just wont go that way... currently ql is the game to play that has a reasonable sized players base so u can get a game any time of the dy, at least duel and ca. if you want smth different (like air control) there is a lot more better choices such as qw, cpm, warsow (simply because i assume now playerbase is much bigger than xonotic) or even painkiller (personal preference its atleast equally dead if not more)... or you can wait for reborn/pkhd.

Not sure if worth replying to or just gonna end in an irrational discussion again, but anyway..

1) blue "blaster" aka electro:
In it's current state it's certainly OP on narrow maps, but it's not as black and white as you paint it now. In 0.5 it was too weak and no one really used it so it got improved in 0.6 - but too much. Those are small changes like the blast radius or the spread that have a huge effect on that weapon and a fixed balance is already in the works. In its current state it can be abused but you can't just run around with that gun only and win matches vs decent opponents. On aerowalk for example the nex, mortar and rl are at least as important.

2) dead game
- there are anticheat measures build in, including systems to prevent wallhacks, code modifications and to detect triggerbots
- ladders will enter test phase soon :)
- servers: not sure why you think that xonotic wont get server hosters but other games with dedicated servers will (qw, cpm, warsow..)

3) waiting for reborn/pkhd
gl with that

4) spreading half-truths on the internet
I wish at least a "hardcore" community like esr would care more about facts but maybe this site isn't that hardcore anymore.

well from what i get you certainly the blindest fanboy of this game / biggest hater of anything else so not sure if arguing worth it with you.

1, a "decent" xonotic players gameplay is more or less abusing that weapon from what i saw. yes "nex, mortar, rl" is very important until they own up randoms with that, if it isnt enough than they start to camp the blue weapon. same experience on industrial too =) but anyway dodged the more important part: so what is the real purpose of these weapon, besides someone thought its cool?

2, what i was trying to point out it is free of charge "hobby" project, what you accept as it is or move on, and its ok like that. however if ever a boom happens and real race starts between cheaters and developers i just dont see a group of very committed volunteers join full time to stay competitive. obv noone will put much effort into cheating in a game mostly played by a couple of hundred players for obvious reasons. but even QL couldnt pulled the anticheat so i dont see too bright future in this aspect (in case the game remains free and becomes big - much bigger than currently it is). as for the other games i didnt said they get more server, but have probably bigger playerbase which is crucial imo... you know its not so fun to wait half an hour at 15pm than play vs a canadian with 150 ping from europe.

3, well reborn is an esport-aimed project so hopefully wont be much cheesy stuff at least, and pkhd is a commercial project (with single player and steam integrated: hope you see these advantages when it comes to getting new players involved or sustaining/growing the playerbase), so their aim is to provide service for the paying customer instead of creating a game of their own liking what others welcomed to use as it is or go somewhere else... its hard to say at this point if these games will be better or any good simply because we didnt see shit from reborn and pkhd is in very early beta, but imo these two is just more promising for the following reasons.

4, well i played a couple of weeks of xonotic (months ago), these were my observations / opinion. i dont intend to be hardcore, however i recognize you declare yourself as one, perhaps who not fully agrees with you cannot be "hardcore" unfortunately, or i dont get what it is?? lol

but dont get me wrong generally i really liked xonotic, currently its just i can play a better game that is also being more "alive", its kind of a shame some small details (like the blue weapon) kills a lot of entertainment value for me as well as i dont see it will ever have a big enough playerbase that contantly could provide games anytime of the day (ql barely does that, or lately rather barely not even have enough players).

well from what i get you certainly the blindest fanboy of this game / biggest hater of anything else

I'm probably Xonotic's biggest critic, it's just that I like to argue based on facts and try to actually improve things (which is possible and happens in a community project like Xonotic!). And please quote me on hating a video game if you make a statement like that.

1) The purpose of the electro is to set up traps and block doorways. Sure, the current balance forces players to move more cautiously but if you get camped by randoms with the electro the whole match you are doing it wrong. (on a side note: Industrial is on some servers but it's not a tournament map or balanced for Xonotic at all)

2) Try #xonotic.pickup for games. The game is still in beta and therefore little advertisement/marketing has been done.

3) Could say the same about shootmania for example, or any other commercial mp fps. Making hardcore fps players happy != making money .. that's the problem

4) You wouldn't argue with a quake live player either about weapon balance without getting your facts right, otherwise you'd look like one of those people in the quake live forum: "plz remove lg it kills me in 2 seconds!!1"

Xonotic is still in beta and things actually do improve. But yea, it's easier to play quake live and complain about SyncError not listening to the community. Xonotic is a real fps and reminds me of the old Q3 days when the community still mattered and had some kind of control. Feedback is always welcome and encouraged but you must accept that there will be feedback on your feedback ;) That's how things work at such a project and I wouldn't exchange it anymore for paying 2€/month to get a balanced, yet sterile game.

Btw, I highly respect the guys at Warsow and other community-driven games, just to get that right.
And we actually have tournaments/cup going on if you wondered about that. Might post about future ones here if there is interest.

well among the two of us it seems im not the one who cant stand an honest but slightly negative opinion. it isnt like i did try to put down xonotic in favor of anything, only shared my experiences and view on the subject. thus i dont see a point to continue this discussion, as certainly you consider everything you not agree with a personal attack.

Feedback is always welcome and encouraged but you must accept that there will be feedback on your feedback ;)

this kind of confirms it. in other words: positive critique is always welcomed and encouraged, negative critique will be fought against. also for first and foremost i didnt provided feedback since than i wouldnt post it in a fragmovies teaser here, but in the official xonotic forums. i just replied to a user with my best knowledge. obviously youre free to join the discussion and correct me if you wish but it seems youre just not the right person to discuss anything with. to begin with its not like id like to discuss anything since im not interested in xonotic anymore, at least not while its in this state. but now we heard 2 different opinions, mine as an outsider DM player (as many in this forum) and yours who have deeper knowledge about details, but also being in outright favor of xonotic compared to other titles. let them be the judge of which perseptive they give more credit, you dont have to try and prove me wrong, since i never claimed im right. hf

I don't care about comparing Xonotic to other titles but if you state things that are factually wrong I don't see any reason to not correct you. For me that's how to critical discus a topic, if I offended you in any way I'm sorry.

Game actually feels pretty good (smoked some bots) but there is WAY to many cvars and stuff you can change (to get rid of all the bullshit i need to study the cfg and i cant be arsed) :P

Usually /cvarlist *what you're searching for in between these asterisks* works for me when I need to find something. It's still beta, but I would presume that by 0.8/1.0 - they'll be a cleanup of stuff.

Great!