In before people who are completely out of touch with the reality of current-gen FPS games start to bitch and moan, calling you a fucking wanker in 5..4..3..2..1

Anyway, as to your points: I'm not sure that those of you who have never written a single line of code or worked within large software bureaucracies get this. All of these features you're requesting take so much time, money, and technical expertise to develop. Like, do you people not understand how difficult this is. Judging from 2gd's talk about RB, I'm really starting to doubt that they have the kind of resources to pull off even 1/3 of the requests that have been made here on ESReality, nor should they have to. Hopefully I'm wrong about that, however. But with only one programmer, one or two moddelers, etc it seems unlikely

What did I just read?

I think it would be better to make a more solid atmosphere/service first in terms of the quakelive site/game. And then add interesting features if possible, hey they added that bloom thing at one point so its possible at some capacity. I like your point of view though, in similar respects its like playing in a frag movie. And im sure a fair bit of peoples first impression's/exposure to quake is through frag and trickjumping movies so you are on to something there. Thanks for the POV :)

In my opinion if this was a perfect world this is what my priorities would be:
1. Solid atmosphere/service: (site features, gtv?, achievements with a purpose etc....insert big list here lol)

2. Random eye candy features: Implemented in small chunks like bloom ideally not effecting normal gameplay. And this could help lure interest in the game or stop the "it looks like crap" type of complaining which in my opinion are probably people who aren't very competitive but I digress. They could even have John Carmack involved cause he likes to make little demos of stuff so why not try some of it in quakelive again??, im not asking him to do it just saying it would be cool.


3. Generation Upgrade: Basically instead of creating a new engine with a new game, just have a new akin type of engine which can work on top of quakelive. So you if want a nicer game experience and in addition try the new maps that utilize the engine you can with a price. This idea is finicky but I think it makes a lot of sense for competitive games. And if possible the actual technology and innovation developed can be used towards other games or just the whole freaking engine.


I suppose priorities 2 and 3 can be done interchangeably :)

I think everything has to be there since day 1. Newbies try a game and if they dont like it they don't play it again. The addition of bloom didn't bring up any newbies on there. It's the sum of all the cool stuff since day one that can keep em playing.

then why do kids keep buying mw series? its just the same shitty engine over and over

It's still miles better than your average fast paced FPS. Also the shitty "realistic" gameplay attracts them.

They still update it to improve graphics. Also the first COD used id Tech 3.

madden u no

cause of all the shitty fps games on consoles its mp is the least shit

Open arenas is key if you want to have spectators that are not experienced with the maps shown. Teleporters are no no too ofc.

You can have fast tactics on open maps too. It all depends on how the game types are designed

(hint: All classical quake game types are automatic failures by todays standard).

hint: Open maps on Quake style gameplay is a failure by all times standard (ie Shitmania)

Shitmania is a bad example of that because Shitmania isn't quake styled gameplay, is it? It's something different, horribly different.

Better example would be some of those silly open maps in Unreal, not saying all Unreal maps were bad, some of them were quite good.

Agree. Also +1 at horribly different

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ggZeV1ahP8 particles <#

interesting match

I always thought it would be an interesting idea to have spectators in the game but outside of the map in 1v1 but they can walk around outside the map but can see all the action in the game through windows and grates etc. You can also add little trick jumps and stuff to keep people entertained till the next challenger comes in.

a map, within a map?

And admins could have another map outside those maps to monitor.

Actually just have all the maps linked together and make QL an MMOFPS. Problem solved :0

Hell yeah, fighting zones, peaceful zones, jumping zones... stuff like that? What would be the races then: Sarge, TankJr,...? This MMOFPS: "QuakeLife" would need also some kind of story, hm...!

Q3's core storyline is good enough. The vadrigar summon the best warriors of the universe to the Arenas for them to battle it out for their own entertainment. You could write a trillion things that revolve around this key concept.

it's awful lol. By today's standard it would be better not having a single player mode if it is going to be just like Q3's.

Put a play against bots menu instead, tutorials (both in-game and videos in the game's client), defrag challenges and so on. Just don't call it "single player" or that part is going to get bad reviews.

to be honest I don't give two flying fucks about today's standards mate

better reviews = more players

I've always dreamed that the perfect PC game would be an FPS MMO version of Q3, although I'm not sure about the RPG part. Could work. Either way you just gave me a boner after reminding me :))

you mean like q2 KotS?
I have no idea why no one picked up that concept afterwards. It was absurdly addicting.

Just been reading about it on planetquake, seems interesting and I can't say I've seen anything like it in recent memory:

http://planetquake.gamespy.com/View.php?view=...&id=71

But what I was on about was a massive gameworld... I mean MMORPG-massive, with the Q3/QL "engine", movement and physics. Obviously... the Q3/QL engine would have to be a whole new beast.

As for storyline, aesthetics, environment, gameplay and weapons, and general objectives, I'll leave that up to everyone's imagination, but I dare say I wouldn't mind if the weapons remained the same, :)) Either people are allowed to choose diferent "classes" as in TF, or simply upgrade weapon skills as one levels up like in Deus Ex, but being able to use all weapons regardless.

I can just imagine WoW, replacing everything with Q3/QL elements and making it first person. Instead of a 40-man raid vs Onyxia, it would be a 40-man team vs Some Badass Robot... and PvP would be orgasmic, with an open-map style Domination mode and open-map style CTF. Oh mang I'd play that shit so much my fingers would explode. As for the whole "levelling up" part, I'm not sure how that would work exactly, but as long as the core aspects of the game are focused on killing NPCs it should be fun, while also balanced for PvP with lot's of tiers. A PvP "duel" in this world would be almost identical to a QL duel, and PvP Arenas would be TDM.

Doing "dungeons" would be so fukken 1337. A team of 5, going into a zombie infested instance, blowing the shit out of eevrything, sharing ammo, applying medikits, taking down a boss, last dude with 5 HP hits a critical air-rocket and saves the day! ZOMGYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS WHOOPYEAH HIGHFIVES ALL AROUND

I'm just typing as things come to my head without giving it much thought, but a game like this has so much potential, it's hard to concentrate on a single thread of ideas.

COME ON PEOPLE! WORLD OF QUAKECRAFT! LETS DO THIS SHIT!

that's not quake

but it is world of quake!

I mean, strafing around a map during warmup in quake is already sexy as fuck... imagine being able to strafe jump from one end of the continent to the other. There could even be races, and this would be a game itself! One thing I've noticed with Silent Night and Distant Screams is that in certain areas the terrain just sucks balls and sometimes one stupid bump takes away all the momentum. If it were to be done right with easily identifiable "paths" and lots and lots of mountains for maximum downhill lulzeries, as well as steps and terraces in addition to slopes for maintaining speed uphill ... that would be 9000 times more sexy than your standard QL pre-game warmup strafing. We've all seen how beautiful some defrag maps are... but imagine strafing around a truly stunning landscape, snow, desert, jungle, caves, swamplands, you name it, and the fact that this would be done in a constantly changing world with the ever present possibility of encountering some monster, enemy player or some other random event will make no two "strafing adventures" the same.

"Today I'm not gonna quest... I'm gonna strafe my ass to Vadrigaärd to visit the hookers and test my upgraded railgun on any sorryass motherfucker who dares cross my path!"

And what about the "dungeons" also requiring at least one player to execute a certain trickjump in order for the party to advance, or even the whole world full of things similar to bridge2rail so that skill based movement can be applied to killing NPCs and not limited to gaining the extra advantage in multiplayer. This would allow experienced "quakers" to actually help noobs and feel proud of it instead of raping them and scaring them away. It's win/win.

Furthermore, I've always wondered what the effect of a party of 5 people spamming nades down into an ogre-infested pit would be like. GIBS GALORE. Or 20 people firing rockets at a massive monster while 10 others fire plasma and 10 others fire the chaingun... CLOVERFIELD'S BATTLE SCENES WOULD PALE IN COMPARISON

I wouldn't incorporate the "flight" powerup, but let's say the game involved upgrading specific weapons, and the rocketlauncher has the possibility to give you a 400m high arching rocketjump, giving you a head start in escaping the enemy base with the flag. AND NOW IMAGINE TAKING THAT FUCKER DOWN WITH AN AIR ROCKET!!!!!!1111111

Also, you could have an optional third person perspective for whenever you are either out of combat or in a town or whatever, and then it morphs into first person as soon as you enter combat. Everyone likes to see how goddam badass they look in their new gear.

Oh man I'm having so many crazy & fun ideas!

Someone should at least make a proof of concept like making a dungeon and fighting a variety of NPC's. I was thinking instead of leveling up weapons with higher dmg tree's make sure everyone has the same basic template but then branch into different classes where the weapon behavior is slightly different. eg say a healer class can lg/shoot(no knock bacK) his team mates, better lg more effective healer lol

//Basically in regards to healing, higher dmg weapons for better heals. Could keep the knock back or increase it with rockets to get people out of mobs maybe.

I love going through hypothetical scenarios this is kinda fun to think about lol.



I think the big stumbling block on this is idea is the the big environments, would need a completely different engine.

I suppose you need gear for an MMO, besides it looking badass I guess it needs attributes that is tricky. I don't like the idea of changing weapons drastically in the sense of speed/dmg/trajectory. But I can be convinced if its justifiable. Im not against adding modifier type stuff like poison etc.. rogue for instance gets poison/dot bonuses :)

Indeed the hardest part would not be the engine, but the balance between keeping it as purely quake-combat centered as possible while giving the game a nice degree of personalization, in other words it's RPG element. Maybe modifiers are the way to go, and I like the LG heal idea! Other enhancements would be secondary attacks for each weapon, secondary ammo, or otherwise increase the damage ever so slightly, like 5% every 10 levels. To prevent the damage increase being a problem in PvP, only players in the same 10 levels (ie, with the same damage) are allowed to play eachother. The trouble is... how far can you go in the RPG direction (gear, skills) without removing quake's inherent purity?

And the other thing that's bugging me while I dream about all this is that normally MMO's feature an equal balance between melee and limited ranged attacks, where as in your typical quake universe, melee is used only in specific scenarios and the ranged attacks are practically limitless, distance-wise.

To solve this would mean adding more emphasis to melee or almost-melee range weapons, and limiting other weapons range or even better, reducing their damage over distance (not decreasing at all until a considerable distance is reached anyway). It would be fun to scare the shit out of someone 5 kilometers away when they see a barrage of incoming rockets, only to find out they deal 5% damage :D

Or maybe it doesn't need the melee balance at all. Maybe it can work with all medium-long range weapons, coupled with a damage decreaser over distance. I'll have to smoke some more dope and give this one a thought!

LOL no one is going to read this, but it was fun to think about while doing dishes and the last couple of hours. :o


My Goals/Gameplay decisions/Thoughts
- Encourage typical weapon combo's, and not just hold down rockets/plasma and dance around for the most part*.
- Encourage even class distribution(for the most part)
- Keep the movement and weapons the same in regards to reload time, distance reached, trajectory and dmg effectiveness. (dmg scaling(up.down), dmg increasing and knockback changes are tolerable but only if needed)
- Every class essentially has the same weapons just the effectiveness from combos is what dictates what is better to use.
- Class structure warrior/heal are the base(eg. bad agro'er/healer and you won't do well) and rogue and hunter are more like +back/+forwarding in duel. Also no mage because hunter is can be essentially the same(+back/distance attacking).
- Most NPC's shouldn't sit still
- Dodging is expected for all classes but warrior
- When I talk about damage(dmg) im referring to quakelive's dmg scale just for simplicity eg. direct rocket being 100 dmg.
- If levels are added, I guess you could start by scaling ql's normal dmg down and saying at X level eg. level 10 is where its the same.
- The health idea can be scrapped just gives an idea



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Warrior(tank,Consistent dps, Keeps and maintains aggro pretty easily and builds rage)
Notes:
- Rage = 300
- health 200/200


Gaunt = Finish a kill and get 444% dmg for only gaunt for 7 secs(and rage after)
MG= basic MG(small amount of rage generated)
SG = Rage generator, Finish kill will max RAGE
GL = High aggro generator and generates rage
Plasma = Ammo is dependent on amount of rage(also burns through rage quickly)3 or more shots in a row on one target will give a health buff to group, can be stacked with multiple targets.
Rocket = Rage generator(3-4 rockets should max rage)(if switched from full rage dump lg, will receive full possible armour amount)
LG = Ammo is dependent on amount of rage(rage dump, slows enemy, dmg is 250%)
Rail = Finish kill generates 150 rage, Costs 15 rage



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Healer(Basically has no knockback, cause it would be hella annoying when not intended)
Notes:
- health 200/200
- Straight up healer(for the most part, can do decent dmg to undead ofc)
- Aiming at your teammates is tricky enough if your trying to dodge ;)
- As long as you shoot one of your team mates you should be able to stay alive
- Holy dmg dot = 50 dmg every second
- Only rocket's do knock back
- High Heal over time = 10% of total health second
- Low Heal over time = 3% of total health per second
- Low heal = half of dmg dealt
- Idea is to gaunt the warrior every 35 seconds and then run back and shoot him at a distance usually, while staying out of trouble, rocket him when he gets overwhelmed, plasma for beginning bosses and when underwhelmed by NPC's and mg,rail,sg your teammates when in need of heals


Gaunt = High Heal over time to yourself and target (duration 35 seconds)(the effect can't be stacked or reused while its in use)
MG = (when the healer's target is out of distance from lg and you switch to mg, a shield will cover you for the duration you shot(cells that hit) + 10 seconds after., if lg wasn't used prior but target is out of distance for lg, the shield is just simply put up and heals target(low heal and 10% dmg reduction to target)(shield = 90% dmg absorb).

SG = Instant heal for every pellet + shield for both if 50dmg or more is dealt for 3 seconds
GL = 300% dmg dealt is the heal value to target(s) and self(High cost high reward)
Plasma = dmg weapon and every successful hit adds 3secs to holy dmg dot
Rocket = Blast of heal + knock back target upwards and to the opposite side of shot
LG = Heals target and yourself for (lg dmg dealt + reduces dmg taken by 35%)
Rail = Instant heal/plus low heal over time (25 secs)(effectiveness decreases if used to often, 2min for cooldown for the next 100% heal)


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Rogue(burst dmg, dots, +forward style, amour bonus's, health leech while attacking)
Notes:
- health 100/100 (same as hunter but has lots of absorption bonus's)
- 4 Points = 444% dmg increase and 50% dmg absorb for 12 secs? (can use any weapon)
- medium tanky-ness plus shields to mitigate burst of dmg
- Gets points through dealing 500 dmg and close distance attacks/combos
- Most mobile class(well encouraged to be mobile)
- Best for burst dmg, surveying area's, DOTS(short in time but balances for lack of dps)
- X amount of distance covered = 1 point
- whole point is to be close to the NPC's running around and get to the 4 points
- pop a target with gl/rocket and lg while in the air will grant increased 30% dmg dealt in for that instance to the point system and 50 health and armour gained.


Gaunt = 50% dmg reduced for 5 seconds after a kill
MG = Normal
SG = Each pellet adds 5 health and armour(35 sec cool down)
GL = Normal (long poison dot)
Plasma = 3 successful small/medium range or 1 long range is a small poison dot
Rocket = Normal + when close to a opponent get 20% dmg dealt added to the point count
LG = Normal, while moving adds 5 health and armour + 10% dmg dealt is added to the point count
Rail = Normal(switched from rocket/lg 25 health added)




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Hunter(consistent dmg, long dots, +back style, health leech while moving)
Notes:
- health 100/100
- Has an energy bar (out of a 100, doesn't deteriorate)
- Fire dot is the bread and butter because enemies armour is reduced and it does a fair bit of dmg when its kept on.
- Energy is only spent on hit
- runs and stays out of trouble finds a quite and spot spams then moves again
- 50% dmg reduced when at 100 energy
- 10% dmg reduced while in the air

Gaunt = normal,20 energy = enermy is frozen for 2 seconds
MG = 200 dmg = full energy.
SG = normal, 50 energy = freezes target (pellet add's 1 second to freeze)
GL = normal, 30 energy freezes unfriendly targets for 4 seconds direct for 8
Plasma = 3 shots = full energy(50% reduced effect if too close to enemy)
Rocket = 3 rockets = full energy(50% reduced effect if too close to enemy)
LG = normal but costs 1 energy per second
Rail = normal shot and small and short fire dot dmg, if 100 energy = dmg + enemies armour reduced by 10% and starts a high fire dmg dot(both for 17 seconds).

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I think first all of this would need to be tested out first and then the gear is another story LOL

I'll read this later :>

Wow you've been giving it some serious thought man! I'm very impressed with the whole combo-encouragement, that actually gives it a whole new dimension. Bravo!

One thing that bothers me is having the same weapons for each class. Even tough they perform differently, I think each class should at least have different weapon models and several different variations for each weapon, otherwise and the truth is, in most MMOs you rarely have more than two weapons, so maybe each class should have their own individual melee weapon and one or two of the standard weapons (coinciding in some cases, like Team Fortress where both pyro and soldier have the shotgun as secondary weapon). This way, each class would be distinguishable from eachother and their roles more clear and defined, as well as giving each class their own sense of identity.

In the other direction, there is the option to not have classes at all, and simply give each player the same extensive talent tree, so that all players begin under the same conditions, with each branch aimed at converting the player into a specific class. The downside would be what I mentioned... there would be no easy way to identify each player's talent tree and there would be no sense of identity that comes with "classes".

I guess, in order for it to be a true MMO, going with predefined classes is the way to go, but giving each class it's own gun models, individual melee weapon and minor weapon performance variations as well as special effects.

Also, the "vampiric" modifier that QL introduced recently could play a key role. And maybe a "hunter" could actually have a "pet"?

Man, the more I think about this the more complicated it gets in achieving a MMO game with different guns and classes while retaining the even playing field that comes with QL. I think each class should have exactly the same movement physics (same run speed, acceleration, jump height etc), while certain classes may be able to have special extras (for example rocket jump or plasma climb for the specific classes that have RL and PL, or extra-super-duper rocket jump and enhanced Plasmaclimb in case every class has RL and PL).

The more I think about cool things for PvE, I later realize they make PvP less balanced, and vice versa. :(

Yeah that is definitely one of the main flaws with what I got, being the distinguishability between classes. At first I was trying to limit weapons for particular classes like hunter was the only guy with the plasma gun. But you don't have much variety with 8 weapons so their will always be some overlap which isn't that bad just seems to simplistic having 1 class with 2-4 weapons, in all reality most fights will probably be that case anyways. But I like the idea of 8 weapons; essentially 8 skills, because some other MMO's it can get ridiculous with 40 different skills and modifiers etc. In regards to different melee models im not against that, essentially they all work in different way anyways so:
healer = could be some sort of needle/bandage
warrior/rogue = any sort of blunt object
hunter = some orb/fist of frost or something cold


I was also thinking if this MMO did use my scheme of weapons, most of the weapons would have slightly different looks/particular effects(basically slightly different sprites). Like the healers LG would probably be yellow(eck) or green to indicate it heals opposed to dealing damage. Player models would probably be exaggerated by their health/armour and style of course eg. warrior would look bigger than the rest. Although im a little reluctant to figure out all that cosmetic stuff like color schemes and what each weapon should look like because I would want to go in the game see if all the classes actually play into their desired roles and if it is balanced so no one is overpowered(OP) atm we can only speculate hehe. In theory all the skills could be trashed or tweaked beyond belief and plus this is all make belief at that moment lol. Also I think its better to actually go in the game shoot the gun and see how it feels and what emotions arise from it and design the mode/sprites/sound off that; but I suppose most games are designed the opposite way with a look in mind and they tweak the skills to go around that.

- Yeah I agree everyone's movement should be the same, my idea of this MMO is it being basically a weird way of teaching people the game and then extending the game strategy into another MMO like direction, like finding good dps combos for taking out particular bosses/mobs. But also using similar micro strats like making the conscious decision to switch to rockets when LGing a target, which can be risky at times in duel. Also it would feel bad ass just strafe jumping past buildings/tree and pulling mobs with SG and w.e weapon you desire.

- Also the hud should look decent/simplistic could actually be pretty easy to make, show all weapons the cooldown's maybe beside the weapons. And Rage, energy, rogue points somewhere as a bar/number combo and health, armour and ammo where it generally placed. And in regards to MMO features in a raid group I think the tank should auto broadcast his target on the top of everyone's screen and healer would have all his teammates somewhere on the screen. In regards to huge raids which is beyond the scope of the proof on concept but I think subgroups is an interesting idea, so for big raids its essentially small groups each with a designated leader/purpose all working on a common goal. Because im not a huge fan of clutter eg. a crazy list of people on a healers screen lol

create a map called Boobsgrounds where you can strafejump on tits
imagine strafing from one to another

Join the discussion man!

http://www.esreality.com/post/2300084/re-eyec...pid2299683

lol, what have I started! C:

I agree, that's why I added you aeol I like your posts <3 :D

This was the case in Q1 Rocket Arena (If my memory serves me correct), where you would loose the game and be transported to a higher positioned and closed area where you could see the action from a bird'seye view.

Was pretty cool ..

cool, but would only work on "arena" style arenas... ie: open arenas.

i think league of legends shows that this isnt necessarily true, you just need a very fluid artstyle that looks good. league's graphics are shit, but the game itself feels well made.

It's not a FPS. People pay more attention to high end graphics on FPS

literally

eyecandy is crucial, its something all decent mp fps and ^ players can all agree about










































































that its the first thing that needs to be turn off

is that why minecraft is so successful?

Minecraft is not the regular shooting game.

"Of course you can't blow up walls, but partially, as an added GFX to enhance the experience. Max Payne did this in a nice way years ago"
You had actually some sort of semi-destructible environment in a few MP maps in UT3 -the maps with physX option