+ stonekeep
+ infinity
- spider crossings
- ironworks

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i agree but lg and rg need to be separated. maybe one rg in mid somewhere or something. die spawn grab lg and rail in 2 seconds.

or remove lg completely

Sorta sad to not have lg when the enemy has bs.

reflux was the only reason i watched any ctf at qcon

It's down to preferences, but p1,p9,c2,c7 are a must in ctf pools

then it goes down to infinity/reflux/p5/c10 ,..out of those infinity/reflux are not played at all in pickups, infinity being new, and people reluctant to get to know it, but reflux with its BS seems weird..replace toxic sludge with water and BS for quad and you got yourself a fun map :) (probably,..hard to say..because no one in EU plays it)

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Reflux is great, but does have room for improvement IMO. But the two things that should never be changed are the BS and the slime. That is practically what the whole arena is based on - the BS makes it unique and forces players to change their strategies, and the slime... well it is called Reflux. It's supposed to be a facility for processing toxic waste. Changing it to water would defeat the purpose of the theme. Also, there is that slime tunnel which you can use with the BS which adds an element of surprise, and is one of the main selling points. One should try to keep these things as is when changing the map, and should never, ever eradicate the author's original vision. Improve upon it, yes. Change it completely, no.

It's definitely the most fun to watch for me.

Spider & troubled = railfest @ mid
Ironworks = 3v3 ctf because 1 player is always getting RA
Reflux = unplayable due fps drops, even with a decent PC
Siberia = all def till quad spawn
finnegans = nobody plays it
Shining = old and boring
Japanese = funny but old and overplayed
Stonekeep = so big
Infinity = dunno cos i left QL before it was added

CTF is the best mode for me but is dead :(

> Reflux = unplayable due fps drops, even with a decent PC
geforce 9800 GT - solid 125 fps at lightmap @ 1280x720.

Reflux with a RA spawning every 25 sec was better, IMO.

Played reflux 3 times in pickup and One Time in a Training Match, its good even bs is fine.

switch RL with LG

Replace slime with water, at least in the pipe, or make it hurt less so you can make it with an OK stack and still have some health and armor coming out. If you did this you could move medkit to the bottom of the pipe.

Replace battlesuit with regen. If the pipe is water, or doesnt kill you, regen should be enough to get in and out of the pipe without taking too much damage.


Right now the map is about who can stack up, get BS cleanly, and go in and cap. Its pretty rare that the powerup will change hands, so it turns into one team going 4 offense vs 4 defense. It gets pretty chaotic in the flag room with BS in there, but the defense just relies on 4 people hitting constant rails/rockets to defend. It gets pretty spammy.

The pipe as it stands now is kinda useless. It was a unique idea yes, but its been shown that going through pipe is just a bad idea. The defense knows where youll be, you can hear the BS make the damage noise, and it takes a pretty long time to go that way anyway, giving the defense plenty of time to set up.

I like the RA being 60s now, and with medkit right there its like if you dont time it well youll be giving up quite a bit. And as a mid you're involved with so many fights per minute, its pretty hard to stack way up. At qcon i found myself grabbing medkit every minute because i had used it.

Mid being under pressure the whole game is fine, but it seems the flag D isnt under much at all, with most of the action happening at mid or the RA room. Good teams will bring out their flag D for powerup and youll have a super stacked player with battlesuit, and it leads to the situation i described earlier with 4 offense and 4 defense. I'm not against the idea of 4o v 4d for powerup, but the way it plays out on this map is just sort of silly; eight players in the same room just doesnt leave much room for tactics.

I tried to help out a lot in the development of this map, so it saddens me to see its faults. But i think the basic design and layout of the map is solid, and a few tweaks can fix it. Changing the RA to 60s helped out quite a bit and made attacking easier, maybe switching RL and LG will fix some too. Maybe making the GA a YA at 25s will promote more attacking strategies as someone on D will have to cover that.

switch RL with LG

I'm pretty open to that idea.

you can hear the BS make the damage noise

I'll just make the BS stop making global damage sounds in CTF. Given that it's the only ctf map that has a BS I have that luxury. :)

I kinda like the LG's position, and I think switching it would make the Battle Suit too powerful. BS in itself is, I think, the most powerful power up in CTF, but it's balanced well, since the spawning defenders can immediately grab an LG and just pin the guy. With RL there I think BS would have hell of an easy time to get away.

Making the damage sound from the toxic slime go away is a pretty good idea, because it would allow stealth attacks, make the pipe more useful, and still keep the uniqueness of the map.

is says acit on the pipes >8-)

Personally i enjoy the map how it is. It has that fun aspect that many of the other maps don't have anymore. Switching RL with LG i can see being both good and bad. Switching the RL with LG i can see being a nuisance for instance if someone was trying to attack with battle suit you would have to leave your base to go get LG. Its just impossible to stop the guy with battle suit from touching your flag with rockets. The only way to defend against battle suit literally is using LG. If you moved lg to rl you will always just see battle suit rjing out high and never meeting any real opposition. But on the other hand if you did move RL and LG you will see how important BS is and also it will make it easier for the guy with BS to cap. I honestly think the best way to make the map even less dependent on BS is to make BS take 50% less dmg instead of 75% less. The biggest problem with battle suit from a flag d's perspective is you NEED four people hitting at least 35% lg to kill him if he had 100armor, just increase the battle suits damage taken a little bit more.

Ironworks is pretty old and overplayed, but is a good competitive map because it's a really fast paced map and we don't have many of these. One small mistake can cost you the game.

Siberia i liked a lot, everyone says it came down to power ups. But I've played and seen games where teams just play 4 defense when they don't have quad and nullify it. Which means it actually didn't come down to power ups. And in terms of good balanced ctf maps this was one of them. The community needed some type of slow paced maps for diversity. If i could change something about Siberia to maybe make it a little less defensive I'd put a tele at the 50hp bubble under lg and have it port to plasma area. Or maybe right in front of lg.

Spider and trouble waters were always rail fests, but i think at least one of those maps should be in the competitive scene. I like trouble waters a lot more than Spider though.

Finnegan's is a really fun map one of the only maps that you really have to show that your teamwork and communication is good. If you dont communicate or have good teamwork on this map you will get punished. Its a shame this map isn't played more because this is one of those maps that shows how dominant a team can be with good teamwork.

Shining just brings us back to a really slow paced heavy defensive map. Just like Finnegan's even with really good teamwork and communication its extremely hard to cap on this map.

Japanese castles is probably the most fun map imo to play both offense or defense. It can be really random and a lot of people will say this map is all about luck. But its the only map that you can really base it off luck, with the exception of trouble waters when you spawn mid shotgun as someone is trying to cross.

Stonekeep after a few years of playing can actually be a really great map, only problem was it was too easy to play defense on and keep a 200/200 stack. But with the changes to the red armor time there really isn't too much to complain about, other than green armor areas not being utilized much unless you have the flag and are hiding from quad.

Infinity definitely has potential to be a really good map but with the lack of tournaments for ctf in NA we'll never really see how well it can be played. From the few games a lot of us have played it was really fun and refreshing to have a brand new map. Just wish this was a map used at quakecon. =D